Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Toothpaste]

Yeah. I'm pretty sure drunk Russians + Chechens are doing the occasional war crime (they wouldn't be Slavs if they didn't) but this Bucha thing is the fakest and gayest of Ukranian gayops so far. The photos of supposedly 3-4 day old dead bodies that look exactly like alive people lying down are sus and the video where one of the dead guys moves would be funny if this wasn't serious business.

Can't really blame the Ukies, they're losing the war, are desperate, and inventing atrocities you pin on the other guy for political clout is an old tactic. But I do blame the shit-eating faggots of the West for amplifying this bullshit just like they did Saddam's imaginary WMDs and the chemical weapons false flag they did in Syria.

The Russians supposedly behind the massacre were reported by the Ukrainian media as being from the Far Eastern 64th Motor Rifle Brigade. The guys specifically in Bucha were supposedly mostly Sakha, not slavs or Chechens.

Spoiler: Guys sent to Bucha

I've also seen a lot of the videos that the Russians are claiming as fake, but I don't see any movement from the bodies. I think people are just primed to see what they want to see. We would need some closer analysis to determine it definitely. When it comes to people looking "alive" you should remember that when a person is instantly killed (for example, shot in the back of the head) their heart stops pumping right away leaving most of their blood inside their body. This way people leave behind little blood and can look much less gaunt for days.

 

[NynchLiggers]

1) It's interesting that you think Russia has committed its latest equipment to this fray.

2) Having said that, the Russian forces probably are mostly made up of what would be considered outdated tech, but understand this: Russia has historically - and I mean for hundreds of years - relied on sheer weight of
numbers to make up for whatever it lacks. Russians were badly led, badly equipped and badly trained during WW2 but managed to hang on by the skin of their teeth due to the steamroller effect of having a spare 20 million people to throw into the meat grinder.

Not a bleeding heart russia hater at all like certain people here, but moskals don't have the political capital to handle a mass human wave of conscripts against the ukranians.
While I don't believe they were completely felted just yet, if they do not change strategy quickly, the only reward will be humilhation.

 

[Mothra1988]

I’ve literally never seen anybody make some of these claims, including Russian state propagandists. Certainly not in this thread. Most people here think Russia failed to take Kiev so they’re regrouping in the east.

It’s just sad at this point, you’re fighting a figment of your imagination.

That's some high grade copium you have here. lol Russia is North Korea tier right now. They will never live this shit down.

 

[Narcotics]

UN chief calls for independent investigation on the Bucha issue.

U.N. chief calls for independent probe of civilian deaths in Ukrainian town​

"It is essential that an independent investigation leads to effective accountability," he said."

i hate the antichrist btw

 

[draggs]

1) It's interesting that you think Russia has committed its latest equipment to this fray.

2) Having said that, the Russian forces probably are mostly made up of what would be considered outdated tech, but understand this: Russia has historically - and I mean for hundreds of years - relied on sheer weight of
numbers to make up for whatever it lacks. Russians were badly led, badly equipped and badly trained during WW2 but managed to hang on by the skin of their teeth due to the steamroller effect of having a spare 20 million people to throw into the meat grinder.

2) was true in 1941-part of 1942 but by the end of 1942 the Soviets were extremely well-equipped thanks to Murica, were generally well-trained, and had found good officers from the platoon to the army group level to lead

1) is just silly as it implies Russia could greatly increase the quality of its armor in Ukraine if it wanted. Russia is using mostly upgraded T-72s with limited numbers of T-80s and -90s because it doesn't have the money to get the -80s and -90s in storage up to field capability or to keep them field capable once they got to the front

IF those T-80s and T-90s actually exist, the claims that Russia has large numbers in storage have never been verified

 

[Techpriest]

1) It's interesting that you think Russia has committed its latest equipment to this fray.

2) Having said that, the Russian forces probably are mostly made up of what would be considered outdated tech, but understand this: Russia has historically - and I mean for hundreds of years - relied on sheer weight of
numbers to make up for whatever it lacks. Russians were badly led, badly equipped and badly trained during WW2 but managed to hang on by the skin of their teeth due to the steamroller effect of having a spare 20 million people to throw into the meat grinder.

Russia has devoted their newest equipment to this you mongoloid. Aside from their small numbers of Armata or T-90S/T-90M, the Russians are throwing their newest, rarest stuff in. The T-90A? They have maybe 200 of those and have lost at least 18. T-80BVM? Check, pretty much extinct in the wild by all indications. T-72B3 Obr 2016?

Out of somewhere between 300 and 400 in Russian inventory, 80 have been confirmed lost. This is all their newest shit and it's being destroyed. For that matter, they've lost several Fullbacks, several Su-30's, and a fuckload of other new gear. The list I just gave you is incomplete, and is only recorded losses.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

1) It's interesting that you think Russia has committed its latest equipment to this fray.

2) Having said that, the Russian forces probably are mostly made up of what would be considered outdated tech, but understand this: Russia has historically - and I mean for hundreds of years - relied on sheer weight of
numbers to make up for whatever it lacks. Russians were badly led, badly equipped and badly trained during WW2 but managed to hang on by the skin of their teeth due to the steamroller effect of having a spare 20 million people to throw into the meat grinder.

1.) Actually, in terms of tank equipment, they have. The only major modernized tank vehicles we haven't seen is the T-14 and the T-90M, both of them only number around two dozen EACH, meaning in terms of strategic value they really don't matter since there's so few of them, we're seeing plenty of the most modernized variants of the T-72 and the T-80 since there's actually somewhat significant numbers of them.

2.) WW2 can't really be compared anymore, sheer numbers might not cut it anymore, Panzerfausts were the only real option the Germans had for dealing with T-34s on the Infantry front, and they had a max range of 100-150m to be effective, Ukrainians have Javelins, NLAWs, Panzerfaust 3s, etc, all have significantly more range and capability.

 

[UVB-76]

1) It's interesting that you think Russia has committed its latest equipment to this fray.

Their "latest equipment" is stuff like the Su-57 and T-14 Armata, which have never entered serial production.
They've lost a few Su-30SMs, Su-34s, Ka-52s, and a considerable amount of T-72B3s, etc which are considered "latest" in the sense that it's the most modern stuff they can actually commit to battle.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

A retired South Korean general's perspective on this war, and also how the war applies to the situation on the Korean Peninsula.

South Koreans Could Learn A Lot From the War in Ukraine - 38 North: Informed Analysis of North Korea

When the first artillery and rockets struck targets in Ukraine on February 24, 2022, South Koreans were having their lunch…

www.38north.org

South Koreans Could Learn A Lot From the War in Ukraine - 38 North: I…

archived 3 Apr 2022 22:44:32 UTC

archive.ph

That was s fascinating read, thanks.

 

[No. 7 cat]

The

Russia has devoted their newest equipment to this you mongoloid. Aside from their small numbers of Armata or T-90S/T-90M, the Russians are throwing their newest, rarest stuff in. The T-90A? They have maybe 200 of those and have lost at least 18. T-80BVM? Check, pretty much extinct in the wild by all indications. T-72B3 Obr 2016?
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Out of somewhere between 300 and 400 in Russian inventory, 80 have been confirmed lost. This is all their newest shit and it's being destroyed. For that matter, they've lost several Fullbacks, several Su-30's, and a fuckload of other new gear. The list I just gave you is incomplete, and is only recorded losses.

The T-72 and T-80 are quite close, I think. This isn't necessarily an indictment of Russian tanks, although they often lack anything from infrared to air con or well designed loaders. It seems to be a severe inability to use combined arms well or at all. Perhaps it is the lack of good radios, such as plain civvie walkie talkies are often used, but armies could combine arms before reliable radios were something. It suggests severe flaws in command and control. Logistics too seems a mess with convoys sent unescorted for quite a while like happened in Syria. Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu better be careful of his cups of tea, and hope Buddha can give him a dig out.

 

[Equivocal_Iki]

"Everything will be fine with Ukraine, because Putin will be president, Putin is my president.
"where are you from?" - "I'm from Ukraine."
lol

>horizontal video padded to become a vertical video
Tiktok was a mistake. Holy shit.

 

[Techpriest]

The

The T-72 and T-80 are quite close, I think. This isn't necessarily an indictment of Russian tanks, although they often lack anything from infrared to air con or well designed loaders. It seems to be a severe inability to use combined arms well or at all. Perhaps it is the lack of good radios, such as plain civvie walkie talkies are often used, but armies could combine arms before reliable radios were something. It suggests severe flaws in command and control. Logistics too seems a mess with convoys sent unescorted for quite a while like happened in Syria. Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu better be careful of his cups of tea, and hope Buddha can give him a dig out.

You can't convince me that the reason Shoigu had conscripts dig up the Red Forest wasn't to acquire the spicy wood for his collection.

The T-80 and T-72 are very similar tanks (hell most of the T-series is after the T-64) but I'd argue if you can fuel it the T-80 is a better platform for upgrading.

Anyway, this entire fiasco of a retreat was pretty costly for the Russians, but not the full rout the Ukrainians were hoping for. As is most of the retreating units left behind a good chunk of their equipment, either destroyed in battle or abandoned in the dash for the border.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Russians were badly led, badly equipped and badly trained during WW2 but managed to hang on by the skin of their teeth due to the steamroller effect of having a spare 20 million people to throw into the meat grinder.

Zhukov would disagree about the leadership and training part after saving Moscow in 1941. Those Siberian troops were decisive in stopping the Germans from entering in Moscow.

2.) WW2 can't really be compared anymore, sheer numbers might now cut it, Panzerfausts were the only real option the Germans had for dealing with T-34s on the Infantry front, and they had a max range of 100-150m to be effective, Ukrainians have Javelins, NLAWs, Panzerfaust 3s, etc, all have significantly more range and capability.

The Germans also developed anti-tank artillery and aircraft but what the Germans didn't had is scout drones. You've seen videos and reports of the extreme accuracy those artillery pieces now have thanks to scout drones.

I actually think that most of the armor losses of Russia were due to precise long range artillery strikes.

Also, the Panzerschrecks was a very effective anti-tank weapon due to the fact that Volksturm militia managed to take down hundreds of soviet armor in the last stages of the war.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

The longer Ukraine drags this out, the worse of a deal they're going to get from Russia. These buffoons need to stop this.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Zhukov would disagree about the leadership and training part after saving Moscow in 1941. Those Siberian troops were decisive in stopping the Germans from entering in Moscow.



The Germans also developed anti-tank artillery and aircraft but what the Germans didn't had is scout drones. You've seen videos and reports of the extreme accuracy those artillery pieces now have thanks to scout drones.

I actually think that most of the armor losses of Russia were due to precise long range artillery strikes.

Also, the Panzerschrecks was a very effective anti-tank weapon due to the fact that Volksturm militia managed to take down hundreds of soviet armor in the last stages of the war.

Zhukov really doesn't get enough credit for his role in WW2, but people just want to think the eastern front was like enemy at the gates for the whole war.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

It seems the Krauts are learning pretty quick to adapt to the cold. Right now, faced with a choice between virtue signalling and freezing to death, well, where kanst ich buy a good old fashioned coal burning fire, you know, the kind of type that is powered by coal.

And the Ruhr Valley is full of coal....but good luck being allowed to burn it in Green Germany.

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According to the CIA US tech firm Maxar Technologies the Russians, in their bid to be the most reprehensible genociders ever, were seeking to hide their crimes by burying people. . . next to a church. I can't possibly fathom why you might find dead bodies near a church, hopefully we get some clarity on the matter soon.

One of the best posts in this entire thread. Well done.

sheer numbers might not cut it anymore

Oh, I agree; I now realise my post could have been interpreted otherwise, mea culpa.
My point was that they have the historical mindset that massive numbers (among other things) have always saved them, and that's probably how they went into the Ukraine conflict.

 

[DumbDude42]

I mean you could also mention - Denmark gave up after 6 hours vs. the Germans. Now one of the nicest places to live. Afghanistan's pretty cool too I guess.

denmark was never considered an enemy by germany so they didnt have much to fear from occupation. same situation with the netherlands, belgium, norway. germany invaded these countries for purely strategic reasons, to guard against a possible landing of british troops on continental europe.
and everybody in these countries knew it. everybody was aware that germany held fellow germanics and nordics in high regard. the local jews and commies were in for a rough time, but defending jews and commies generally isn't a compelling reason to throw your own life away.

 

[No. 7 cat]

The longer Ukraine drags this out, the worse of a deal they're going to get from Russia. These buffoons need to stop this.

Russia has been doing shit. They've largely left the north, and have severe trouble expanding their southern territory, as the Ukrainians still press Kherson. They are not the party who has anything to give. Maybe Putin will try hold on to a Donbass-Crimea corridor or bargain it for a definite cession of the Donbass and Crimea, plus sanctions lifted, but good deals are not his to given, unless Russia can massively improve their performance. Likely it'll be a Korean style stop at some point.

@Iron Jaguar the Germans burn a lot of lignite in power stations to the cost of their forests and lungs.

 

[The best and greatest]

This is who, without NATO, would take over all of Europe and then America? Why are we a part of this again? The EU has nuclear powers just let them take care of it.

Tbf the only Reason Ukraine is faring as well as it has is due to considerable support from the lynchpin members of NATO

 

[Hell on Earth]

Zhukov really doesn't get enough credit for his role in WW2, but people just want to think the eastern front was like enemy at the gates for the whole war.

Grant also in a way bled the southeners dry because he knew that the union had massive amounts of manpower and the south didn't. The Overland and Petersburg campaigns were meatgrinders by the standarts of the 19th century.

But he's still considered as the greatest civil war general mostly due to his brilliant campaign in Vicksburg