Palemoon dev Tobin/NTP/New Tobin Paradigm leaves the project - >Guess 4chan was right.. never trust a fuckin furfag.

[New Tobin Paradigm]

So.. an update for those casually keeping an eye out..

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Well shit. I guess benefit of the doubt or misguided intentions is completely out the window at this point.

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

And it just keeps going eh? Guess it is good for the farmers here but still .. makes me feel.. LIKE A PIECE OF SHIT ... to keep doing it but I DO keep getting pushed. Oh well.

Mar 19 23:23:51 <NewTobinParadigm> foul play
Mar 19 23:23:53 <NewTobinParadigm> ...
Mar 19 23:24:33 <NewTobinParadigm> as i said.. like trying to steal my private data, locking me out of my repositories, and not doing anything to resolve the situation
Mar 19 23:24:53 <NewTobinParadigm> i didn't fall on my sword this time so he thew me under that bus that has been chasing him since Pale Moon 25
Mar 19 23:25:07 <NewTobinParadigm> threw*
Mar 19 23:25:49 <NewTobinParadigm> I will simply not accept being blamed for shit that isn't my fault
Mar 19 23:25:52 <NewTobinParadigm> but oh well
Mar 19 23:25:56 <NewTobinParadigm> darwin Pause
Mar 19 23:26:08 <NewTobinParadigm> I suppose I can jzw the codebase
Mar 19 23:26:25 <NewTobinParadigm> but i dunno what progress I will be able to make virtually on my own
Mar 19 23:26:38 <NewTobinParadigm> maybe if athenian200 helps me
Mar 19 23:26:47 <NewTobinParadigm> but i resist asking athenian200 to choose between me and moonchild
Mar 19 23:28:11 <athenian200> Yeah. I do appreciate that.
Mar 19 23:28:38 <athenian200> Although I kinda think in the end there isn't going to be a real "choice" given that the project isn't headed in a positive direction.
Mar 19 23:28:42 <NewTobinParadigm> but if athenian200 does help me i am sure moonchild will eventually turn on him too
Mar 19 23:29:18 <NewTobinParadigm> well BinOC's rep is in the shit as much as my name is
Mar 19 23:29:22 <NewTobinParadigm> so i dunno man
Mar 19 23:29:50 <NewTobinParadigm> I kinda don't want to work on this shit anymore at this point
Mar 19 23:29:56 <NewTobinParadigm> but i have nothing else to do
Mar 19 23:32:43 <NewTobinParadigm> athenian200: it still would be helpful if you made clones of binaryoutcast, binoc-graveyard, and binoc-secure
Mar 19 23:34:00 <NewTobinParadigm> the repos
Mar 19 23:34:06 <NewTobinParadigm> since i can't
Mar 19 23:34:22 <athenian200> Would he be okay with me making clones of the repos?
Mar 19 23:34:33 <NewTobinParadigm> i dunno
Mar 19 23:34:33 <athenian200> At this point everything is kinda up in the air.
Mar 19 23:34:49 <NewTobinParadigm> he knew what he was doing when he banned me on rpmo
Mar 19 23:35:08 <NewTobinParadigm> he crippled my ability to control my infrastructure and get vital code
Mar 19 23:35:25 <NewTobinParadigm> while he also tried to steal everything off my server
Mar 19 23:35:55 <NewTobinParadigm> if you get fucked over for cloning all my repos down to your system well then no one will have to ask you to choose
Mar 19 23:35:57 <NewTobinParadigm> right?
Mar 19 23:44:10 <athenian200> It's just so weird, we were all on the same side just yesterday. Now there are two sides, and I am trying to avoid taking any action that would cause me to be perceived as an enemy of one or the other for as long as I can.
Mar 19 23:44:29 <NewTobinParadigm> you're not my enemy
Mar 19 23:44:49 <athenian200> I don't want to be anyone's enemy.
Mar 19 23:44:56 <athenian200> At least not with regards to you and MC.
Mar 19 23:45:04 <NewTobinParadigm> well without my resources i can do nothing
Mar 19 23:45:08 <NewTobinParadigm> i can say that
Mar 19 23:45:17 <NewTobinParadigm> but maybe i shouldn't even try
Mar 19 23:45:34 <NewTobinParadigm> i didn't want to move to a private forge
Mar 19 23:45:43 <NewTobinParadigm> let alone gitea
Mar 19 23:45:48 <NewTobinParadigm> i did it anyway
Mar 19 23:45:58 <athenian200> Yeah, I agree on Gitea. It was like a second-rate GitHub.
Mar 19 23:46:12 <NewTobinParadigm> i did what i could to make it useable
Mar 19 23:46:30 <NewTobinParadigm> but he could have just removed my access to mcp
Mar 19 23:46:40 <NewTobinParadigm> but no he banned my account so i couldn't access my shit
Mar 19 23:46:50 <NewTobinParadigm> of course i was gonna send him his shit
Mar 19 23:47:31 <NewTobinParadigm> but because he apperently never moved on from the last conflict he assumed i was gonna completely screw him over so he had to screw me first
Mar 19 23:47:40 <NewTobinParadigm> that is what it seems like
Mar 19 23:47:44 <NewTobinParadigm> doesn't it athenian200
Mar 19 23:48:26 <athenian200> He reacted like he expected you to against him in every way possible once the conflict started.
Mar 19 23:48:30 <athenian200> *to go against him
Mar 19 23:48:44 <NewTobinParadigm> i just wanted him to fix his shit properly
Mar 19 23:49:00 <NewTobinParadigm> everything i was doing was coming out correct if incomplete
Mar 19 23:49:08 <NewTobinParadigm> but everything he was responsible for he botched
Mar 19 23:49:15 <NewTobinParadigm> including what he asked he could help with
Mar 19 23:49:37 <NewTobinParadigm> he ignored my instructions and half-assed it the first time and the second time wasn't perfect either but i let it go and moved on
Mar 19 23:49:44 <NewTobinParadigm> the chrome.manifest adjustments
Mar 19 23:49:45 <darwin> i bet Moonchild (MC) reads/posts on Usenet alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.furry, alt.fan.furry.adult, alt.sex.furry and so on
Mar 19 23:49:54 <NewTobinParadigm> perhaps
Mar 19 23:49:57 <NewTobinParadigm> i dunno
Mar 19 23:50:08 <NewTobinParadigm> i tended to ignore his furryism
Mar 19 23:50:12 <athenian200> I don't really want to know one way or the other about his sex life.
Mar 19 23:50:19 <NewTobinParadigm> as long as he wasn't trying to force it on anyone
Mar 19 23:50:33 <NewTobinParadigm> like SOME disgusting cretures i could cite
Mar 19 23:50:40 <NewTobinParadigm> creatures*
Mar 19 23:51:48 <darwin> usually it's when people don't have one they turn on their friends
Mar 19 23:55:11 <darwin> MC will probably say the issue is he ordered NewTobinParadigm stay away from some type of programming but will have to admit no one is NewTobinParadigm's boss so the whole thing was a sham
Mar 19 23:55:41 <NewTobinParadigm> well I have logs
Mar 20 00:00:27 <NewTobinParadigm> athenian200: check binoc-secure and binoc-graveyard
Mar 20 00:00:35 <NewTobinParadigm> do the repos exist?
Mar 20 00:04:05 <NewTobinParadigm> athenian200: please respond
Mar 20 00:06:48 <athenian200> Sorry, I was just verifying something. I think Binoc-secure is hidden, but binoc-graveyard is still visible.
Mar 20 00:06:52 <NewTobinParadigm> athenian200: according to the binaryoutcast org you are the ONLY other person who has access to the orgs
Mar 20 00:06:57 <NewTobinParadigm> he removed kudo and everyone else
Mar 20 00:07:03 <NewTobinParadigm> is that what you were seeing
Mar 20 00:11:32 <athenian200> Right. I see most of the BinOC repos, but I can't seem to find binoc-secure.
Mar 20 00:11:42 <NewTobinParadigm> binoc-secure is an org
Mar 20 00:11:45 <NewTobinParadigm> not a repo
Mar 20 00:12:00 <NewTobinParadigm> as is binoc-graveyard
Mar 20 00:13:01 <athenian200> Well, looking at my organizations, I'm in binaryoutcast and binoc-graveyard, but not in binoc-secure.
Mar 20 00:13:12 <athenian200> I'm also in MoonchildProductions.
Mar 20 00:13:12 <NewTobinParadigm> he must have deleted binoc-secure
Mar 20 00:13:41 <NewTobinParadigm> cause you have SEEN the bismuth configuration before
Mar 20 00:13:46 <NewTobinParadigm> i know i gave you access
Mar 20 00:14:11 <athenian200> Well, either deleted it or made it accessible only to himself.
Mar 20 00:14:15 <NewTobinParadigm> he removed kudo from the all the orgs to deny ME access
Mar 20 00:14:32 <athenian200> I wonder why he didn't remove me?
Mar 20 00:14:48 <NewTobinParadigm> he may be holding out hope you will still work for him
Mar 20 00:14:53 <NewTobinParadigm> a reasonable possibility
Mar 20 00:15:06 <NewTobinParadigm> except for the massive amount of sabotage happening
Mar 20 00:15:47 <athenian200> My feeling is that there won't be a project to work for soon anyway.
Mar 20 00:16:00 <athenian200> I'm not sure how long he'll want to keep this up.
Mar 20 00:16:11 <athenian200> The whole Pale Moon thing.
Mar 20 00:23:37 <NewTobinParadigm> i still have my Binary Outcast github org
Mar 20 00:24:25 <NewTobinParadigm> but i cleared it out
Mar 20 00:24:29 <NewTobinParadigm> when i moved everything
Mar 20 00:24:36 <NewTobinParadigm> i have cloned what i could publicly
Mar 20 00:25:10 <NewTobinParadigm> perhaps you can import using https://user:pass@host
Mar 20 00:25:15 <NewTobinParadigm> to the BinOC org
Mar 20 00:25:47 <NewTobinParadigm> i just upped your privs to owner
Mar 20 00:25:52 <NewTobinParadigm> so you can import repos
Mar 20 00:26:04 <darwin> you can even use restricted-shell if you don't trust people, but someone might crack that someday
Mar 20 00:26:15 <NewTobinParadigm> get me a list of them and I will tell you which ones i need
Mar 20 00:26:22 <NewTobinParadigm> from binaryoutcast and binoc-graveyard
Mar 20 00:26:35 <NewTobinParadigm> darwin: huh
Mar 20 00:53:53 <NewTobinParadigm> WELL since I have this big ol server doing nothing at all I am gonna put pagure on it
Mar 20 00:54:01 <NewTobinParadigm> as soon as the rdns is changed
Mar 20 00:54:18 <NewTobinParadigm> guess i got me a storage heavy server
Mar 20 00:54:25 <NewTobinParadigm> in what used to be called regolith
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Mar 20 07:23:52 <MobileTobin> athenian200
Mar 20 07:24:17 <MobileTobin> Were you able to get any of my repos transfered?
Mar 20 08:53:12 <nisa> NewTobinParadigm: damn wth has even happened
Mar 20 08:54:53 <MobileTobin> Moonchild went off the deep end and ruined months of work and plans to continue destroying me and holding my shit hostage
Mar 20 08:55:47 <MobileTobin> nisa
Mar 20 08:56:22 <MobileTobin> I'm so sorry that everyone must now suffer because i backed the wrong pony
Mar 20 08:57:02 <MobileTobin> Hope crushed because he couldn't be bothered to save himself
Mar 20 08:57:40 <MobileTobin> And he has given final victory to google in the process
Mar 20 08:57:51 <MobileTobin> We lost the war
Mar 20 08:58:54 <nisa> uh oh..
Mar 20 08:58:57 <MobileTobin> But that's ok, i will never again be able to do anything again
Mar 20 08:59:11 <MobileTobin> That makes it worth it right?
Mar 20 09:00:03 <MobileTobin> No one can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like Moonzilla can
Mar 20 09:01:50 <MobileTobin> When i woke up earlier my first thought was what i needed to do today.. and then i realized.. there isn't anything
Mar 20 09:02:10 <MobileTobin> So i am gonna go back to sleep
Mar 20 09:44:44 <Gandalfdjh> Sorry about the situation. I am sure that you will rebound at some point. For now just relax a bit. Sure you will rebuild and rebound in the future.
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Mar 20 11:12:57 <MobileTobin> Please repeat
Mar 20 11:13:06 <MobileTobin> Whoever highlighted
Mar 20 11:20:59 <MobileTobin> That piece of shit is manipulating the timeline of events
Mar 20 11:21:51 <MobileTobin> Moonchild was never over any arguments we had
Mar 20 11:22:52 <MobileTobin> And there had been NO destruction of anything
Mar 20 11:22:58 <MobileTobin> He has it all
Mar 20 11:27:47 <Gandalfdjh> Sorry about the situation. I am sure that you will rebound at some point. For now just relax a bit. Sure you will rebuild and rebound in the future.
Mar 20 11:27:51 <MobileTobin> You saw the timeline of events and what he omitted and how he is being exactly like reddit
Mar 20 11:28:08 <MobileTobin> Rebuild what Gandalfdjh
Mar 20 11:28:46 <MobileTobin> Binary Outcast and my self's reputation is bring drug through the mud by moonchild
Mar 20 11:29:03 <Gandalfdjh> That is totally up to you. I am confident that you will find the way.
Mar 20 11:29:46 <MobileTobin> And he is lying and spinning bullshit out of order and igoring what he did and fostering hate mongering against me
Mar 20 11:30:01 <MobileTobin> And i can't even respond
Mar 20 11:30:46 <MobileTobin> He even implied that what i directly pasted and athenian200 witnessed was false
Mar 20 11:32:10 <MobileTobin> "Not to be taken as gospel"
Mar 20 11:32:19 <MobileTobin> athenian200 respond
Mar 20 11:32:23 <athenian200> Yeah?
Mar 20 11:32:45 <MobileTobin> You read moonchild's cnn version of events?
Mar 20 11:33:08 <MobileTobin> https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=28003&p=225184#p225174
Mar 20 11:33:14 <athenian200> No, I haven't been paying attention, but I just assume that he'll be trying to do damage control.
Mar 20 11:33:42 <MobileTobin> Read that
Mar 20 11:34:57 <MobileTobin> He says i took down the Pale Moon dns server.. no i took down the slave to MY dns server moonchild was running
Mar 20 11:36:25 <MobileTobin> Because his attempt to steal my personal files from the BinOC server when he knew no Pale Moon info was there save for git controlled zone files in a repo he had and has vanished in binoc-secure
Mar 20 11:37:16 <MobileTobin> Even then i was gonna let it stand until i found out i was denied my repos
Mar 20 11:38:35 <MobileTobin> Crippling my infrastructure cause it was git controlled
Mar 20 11:40:57 <athenian200> Well, nothing I read really surprises me, it sounds like the kind of thing I would expect someone to say in a situation like this. I mean, no one is intentionally going to make themselves look bad in a conflict.
Mar 20 11:41:09 <athenian200> It wouldn't be good strategy.
Mar 20 11:41:24 <khronosschoty> ugh
Mar 20 11:41:55 <NewTobinParadigm> i didn't post until he invaded the BinOC server trying to steal my personal files and any khronosschoty had
Mar 20 11:42:19 <khronosschoty> I didn't have anything on there except stuff I intended to share
Mar 20 11:42:26 <NewTobinParadigm> i didn't reclaim full control of my dns until he denied me my repos
Mar 20 11:42:53 <khronosschoty> I copied over everything to my new server btw
Mar 20 11:42:53 <NewTobinParadigm> khronosschoty: well i don't inspect every file i let trusted people upload
Mar 20 11:43:21 <khronosschoty> Thats good
Mar 20 11:43:31 <NewTobinParadigm> all this because he couldn't face some pressure about the shit release he did OR he had this planned since November
Mar 20 11:43:48 <NewTobinParadigm> he still claims massive destruction
Mar 20 11:43:51 <NewTobinParadigm> what destruction
Mar 20 11:43:59 <khronosschoty> I don't see how this could be planned exactly
Mar 20 11:44:15 <khronosschoty> maybe he was on the fence idk
Mar 20 11:44:30 <athenian200> I'm thinking the former, that the pressure from the release got to him. I don't think he would plan this far ahead.
Mar 20 11:44:39 <khronosschoty> I just fail to see any real value not to mention your long time friendship
Mar 20 11:44:40 <NewTobinParadigm> khronosschoty: because he has been holding a grudge for past arguments and points of contention when i busted my ass to come up with a way to aliviate all his conserns and serve the users alike
Mar 20 11:44:42 <NewTobinParadigm> he botched it
Mar 20 11:44:51 <NewTobinParadigm> now the plan was not entirely selfless
Mar 20 11:44:58 <NewTobinParadigm> i wanted to stop being a target as well
Mar 20 11:45:04 <NewTobinParadigm> but even THAT benefited him and the users
Mar 20 11:45:07 <NewTobinParadigm> he fucked it up
Mar 20 11:45:18 <NewTobinParadigm> then when called on it.. ragequit ignored me
Mar 20 11:46:15 <NewTobinParadigm> athenian200: well the fact that regolith was shutdown for 15 minutes tops does not warrant trying to steal personal and binoc data wholesale and everything that came after
Mar 20 11:46:38 <NewTobinParadigm> in fact just a few months ago he rageshutdown the forum in response to me pressing him
Mar 20 11:46:48 <NewTobinParadigm> so he made a deliberate choice to continue escalating
Mar 20 11:46:55 <khronosschoty> It was almost inevitable there would be a flaw in this release imo
Mar 20 11:47:15 <khronosschoty> what I don't understand is I was testing master and I never had the control c issue
Mar 20 11:47:21 <khronosschoty> until 30 was released
Mar 20 11:47:28 <NewTobinParadigm> one flaw PLUS bad langpacks PLUS half the extensions PLUS no themes PLUS unfinished add-ons site all because of lack of care and forced premature release
Mar 20 11:47:33 <NewTobinParadigm> is what crippled the plan
Mar 20 11:47:39 <NewTobinParadigm> if it was just ONE
Mar 20 11:47:42 <NewTobinParadigm> sure we'd be fine
Mar 20 11:47:45 <NewTobinParadigm> but it was everything
Mar 20 11:47:52 <NewTobinParadigm> and he knew the full implications of it
Mar 20 11:48:01 <NewTobinParadigm> it is like he WANTED to derail everything
Mar 20 11:48:17 <NewTobinParadigm> either to get me to give him the chance to fuck me over and get rid of me
Mar 20 11:48:26 <NewTobinParadigm> or because he wants it to fail outright
Mar 20 11:48:34 <NewTobinParadigm> there aren't any other viable options
Mar 20 11:49:09 <khronosschoty> he should of just patched updated the last version of 29 with some security updates maybe idk if he was so worried about getting security release
Mar 20 11:50:04 <NewTobinParadigm> and the fact he was willing to continue to ignore me and escilate it over the course of hours AND the attempted theft of BinOC Data and denying me my infra and code repos.. well obviously he cannot be trusted with having control over my nameserver even as a dns slave
Mar 20 11:50:20 <NewTobinParadigm> he could have altered zones locally to redirect my site to porn sites or w/e
Mar 20 11:50:35 <NewTobinParadigm> khronosschoty: EXACTLY what I think
Mar 20 11:51:04 <khronosschoty> I mean that is standard way to do things imo
Mar 20 11:51:06 <NewTobinParadigm> no i think something like this was simmering in the back of his mind since november perhaps october
Mar 20 11:51:12 <khronosschoty> you don't rush stable
Mar 20 11:51:17 <NewTobinParadigm> cause he knows me so well and has learned MUCH about strategy FROM me
Mar 20 11:51:41 <khronosschoty> I guess he needed to switch blame
Mar 20 11:51:51 <khronosschoty> or loose credibility in some peoples eyes
Mar 20 11:52:15 <khronosschoty> however, imo the best devs have made mistakes like this and just owned up to it and lived
Mar 20 11:52:22 <NewTobinParadigm> well i have lost the little credibility i was allowed to retain after years of moonchild's weakness to prevent enemy strongholds from being created in HIS name
Mar 20 11:52:33 <khronosschoty> Torvalds, Pat, others I won't mention
Mar 20 11:52:36 <NewTobinParadigm> so i am done while he has literally everything except an operational Tobin to do work
Mar 20 11:52:39 <NewTobinParadigm> i have nothing
Mar 20 11:52:47 <NewTobinParadigm> except what was public and local here
Mar 20 11:53:11 <khronosschoty> Except the addon site will be shit now
Mar 20 11:53:22 <khronosschoty> your addons site is awesome
Mar 20 11:53:31 <NewTobinParadigm> he allowed these groups to form under his name.. and because of the change in who i am i kept falling on my sword time and again for the sake of the projects and everyone
Mar 20 12:12:59 <NewTobinParadigm> athenian200: so were you able to transfer any of my repos moonchild stole to github?
Mar 20 12:15:04 <athenian200> I asked him yesterday afternoon about the repos, and this morning he said he will be sending an archive with those repos to you as soon as he gets more pressing issues with Pale Moon out of the way.
Mar 20 12:15:25 <NewTobinParadigm> .. archives of..
Mar 20 12:15:33 <NewTobinParadigm> no i want the repos to be transfered intact
Mar 20 12:16:01 <NewTobinParadigm> i am not even sure what is all in binoc-graveyard
Mar 20 12:16:14 <NewTobinParadigm> and the history of those is dead important
Mar 20 12:16:27 <athenian200> Well, he didn't say he would be omitting the history or anything like that.
Mar 20 12:16:44 <NewTobinParadigm> he will download zip files for all of them and send them
Mar 20 12:16:57 <NewTobinParadigm> he can't archive the git data without cloning them him self
Mar 20 12:17:11 <NewTobinParadigm> they aren't stored in gitea on the fs in a way he can just grab them like that
Mar 20 12:17:45 <NewTobinParadigm> so athenian200 please transfer all repos you have access to to the binoc github org
Mar 20 12:18:23 <NewTobinParadigm> and given the fact he is distorting events YOU WITNESSED IN REAL TIME do you really think he will keep his word at this point
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Mar 20 12:19:58 <NewTobinParadigm> welp i guess if he doesn't come back that's my answer

 

[sardonica]

Dude, that guy was totally never on your side. Notice how he got uncomfortable when there was talk of Moonchild being a furry and he kept making excuses and stalling when you asked him to get his hands dirty? It was pretty obvious which side he was on even if he hadn't quit. If the man was on your side, he woulda helped you. You were kind of a sucker for trusting a pussy like him. He seems girly, are you even sure that's a man?

 

[HX-2]

Well shit. I guess benefit of the doubt or misguided intentions is completely out the window at this point.

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Why bother with the censor lmao

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Dude, that guy was totally never on your side. Notice how he got uncomfortable when there was talk of Moonchild being a furry and he kept making excuses and stalling when you asked him to get his hands dirty? It was pretty obvious which side he was on even if he hadn't quit. If the man was on your side, he woulda helped you. You were kind of a sucker for trusting a pussy like him. He seems girly, are you even sure that's a man?

Yeah, but not being on my side is not the same thing as being a delusional traitor the moment shit gets dicy. Not that I wasn't entitled to my shit but I am convinced that Moonzilla removed access from non-PM affiliated members of BinOC and left Athenian200 as the only one as a way to convince the impressionable and previously very sheltered young man that is proof of my total duplicity because I wanted him to get shit that belonged to me. What he said has Moonchild's fingerprints (paw prints?) all over it. As does his posts on reddit. Moonchild doing what he did doesn't surprise me though it sucks that it had to happen but Athenian was someone I was mentoring trying to help avoid some of the mistakes I have made and perhaps continued to make. To not be as weak as he would finally proved to be. He has a lot of potential and untapped talent but he lacks confidence and a steadfast resolve in what he believes and relies on others for that kind of self-validation via acceptance from the group. Things I know all too well.

He had the potential to be far better than I could ever be at this point of my life and that is what makes it difficult. But at some point lack of self confidence, conviction, and impressionable neivite has to give way to what he has double and tripled down to become.. A weak brown nosing fool out to impress whomever has more power. A flipflopping backstabbing one at that.

It is obviously a personal failure on my part that he became that but I can only do what I can do I guess. At the end of the day it remains his choice to become the monster he portrays others to be.

Why bother with the censor lmao

Out of respect for years of association if not friendship.. Obviously, it has moved well past that which is why I didn't bother in the second post.

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Oh fucking wow.. https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comments/tvl2ro/i_am_no_longer_associated_with_binary_outcast/

So this guy is literally lying his ass off about how I created Interlink with some shit saying I based it on Hyperbola G4JC's work.. How is that even possible? While it is true he created his repository a month before I did he created it as initial commit of comm-esr52.9.1 while I went the route of comm-esr52.6.0 (which matches the original base UXP was forked from) and they had already fucked their codebase up with indescriminate patching that I did not want in my mail client or other insane-o gnutard changes.

https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/software/icedove-uxp.git/log/?ofs=250

https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/software/icedove-uxp.git/commit/?id=5e2fbe8646ee443f1b8c34882a5f4e44e400b0d9

vs https://github.com/binoc-graveyard/...9e258000243c475bc228209c96b3+839&branch=TRUNK ( Sept 8th 2018 )

https://github.com/binoc-graveyard/binoc-central/commit/202d092ecfd5d617e3f36884a6c4411f73dee567

https://freenode.logbot.info/palemoon/20180908#c1692846 to the end of the day

#palemoon

freenode.logbot.info

Check the then-stolen binoc-central repo on kiwi's git server to confirm. Public Record is such a bitch, ain't it?

 

[Kot Johansson]

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Oh fucking wow.. https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comments/tvl2ro/i_am_no_longer_associated_with_binary_outcast/

So this guy is literally lying his ass off about how I created Interlink with some shit saying I based it on Hyperbola G4JC's work..

lol I knew it was fucking Athenian200, can't really say I'm surprised since he previously also threw a tantrum on reddit about how (F)OSS was "LE BAD " and how 90s/2000s-era Microsoft was apparently right in trying to destroy it, just because people were (rightfully) shitting on the Pale Moon project after the whole MyPal fiasco.

Spoiler: Athenian200 whines about open source

And now he's trying to save face and be accepted by the same people after pissing and shitting all over them by pretending it never happened and using his betrayal of someone who used to trust him as leverage to fulfill his purpose. The worst part is that people fall for his "good guy" façade, calling him stuff like "the most composed poster in the Pale Moon forums" when in reality he's an insufferable, cowardly, manipulative little bitch just like Moonchild.

 

[sardonica]

Athenian200 is a fish out of water, tho. Who does he think he is... Bill Gates screwing over IBM on OS/2? Obviously he just decided to go terrorize open source projects so he could LARP as a software developer. If he was more honest he would have to admit that all this UXP junk is just patched up warmed over Mozilla code that's been rebranded and not much went into any of them. His ego can't take it so he just goes around pretending like the shit of whoever he's backing doesn't stink as bad. Bet he just sided with Moonchild for the money.

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

I still believe in the endeavor even though I no longer believe in the people behind it. Or more properly I believe in what I turned the endeavor into. Man I wish I could go back in time to when I was basically legit evil and manipulate people that easily.. Well no I really don't but 6 years ago I would. As I have said, I am not innocent and not all of my past behavior is excusable even by my self.. I wanted so much more out of things but it seems like kind manipulation is far more believable than harsh truth. Even when I am the one being manipulated.

I DO care about open source software and the classical Mozilla technologies specifically.. Though I dislike most of the open source culture.. But then again the one I was in was no better. What I came to want out of this whole thing was to carve out a little piece of the world that I could make better even if the rest was going str8 to hell. Of course I wanted to fit in somewhere.. anywhere as well. The core of the problem is that while I tried to make those around me who were similar in many aspects to my self better I also allowed them to influence and re-enforce the multitude of negative aspects to my personality to the point where I can say I want all this but then go well off the wall when perceiving a threat to it. In turn that might have re-enforced the others into doing the same shit resulting in a feedback loop of high ideals and shitty behavior. I dunno.. That is gonna take me a long time to figure out, I guess.

Either way, what happens now is completely under my control and I am no longer subservient to anyone and if I falter it is on my own head. The damage will take years to never to undo but I think it is worth the effort as is continuing on with the shit that I do.. Else I can sit do nothing but watch youtube videos and play video games until I die in a couple of decades. I think I still want to create rather than merely consume though.. Even if it is for a couple dozen to a couple hundred people.

Of course, I still don't expect anyone right now to believe that at face value but I do hope eventually some will see it to be true.

 

[888Flux]

I still believe in the endeavor even though I no longer believe in the people behind it. Or more properly I believe in what I turned the endeavor into. Man I wish I could go back in time to when I was basically legit evil and manipulate people that easily.. Well no I really don't but 6 years ago I would. As I have said, I am not innocent and not all of my past behavior is excusable even by my self.. I wanted so much more out of things but it seems like kind manipulation is far more believable than harsh truth. Even when I am the one being manipulated.

I DO care about open source software and the classical Mozilla technologies specifically.. Though I dislike most of the open source culture.. But then again the one I was in was no better. What I came to want out of this whole thing was to carve out a little piece of the world that I could make better even if the rest was going str8 to hell. Of course I wanted to fit in somewhere.. anywhere as well. The core of the problem is that while I tried to make those around me who were similar in many aspects to my self better I also allowed them to influence and re-enforce the multitude of negative aspects to my personality to the point where I can say I want all this but then go well off the wall when perceiving a threat to it. In turn that might have re-enforced the others into doing the same shit resulting in a feedback loop of high ideals and shitty behavior. I dunno.. That is gonna take me a long time to figure out, I guess.

Either way, what happens now is completely under my control and I am no longer subservient to anyone and if I falter it is on my own head. The damage will take years to never to undo but I think it is worth the effort as is continuing on with the shit that I do.. Else I can sit do nothing but watch youtube videos and play video games until I die in a couple of decades. I think I still want to create rather than merely consume though.. Even if it is for a couple dozen to a couple hundred people.

Of course, I still don't expect anyone right now to believe that at face value but I do hope eventually some will see it to be true.

You are speedrunning lolcow status. Why is there so much drama, politics and bullshit constantly in open source software projects? I know the answer already but it just amazes me. I didn't even read your wall of text. This project is just a fork of FireFox how can you have this many issues. troon-like behavior. Many such cases. SAD!

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Pale Moon plus the platform code == Fork of Firefox. That isn't what I am doing.. I don't WANT Firefox. That's kinda the point.

 

[888Flux]

Pale Moon plus the platform code == Fork of Firefox. That isn't what I am doing.. I don't WANT Firefox. That's kinda the point.

Yes. you want attention. but instead of "Wow look at this guys cool software project" it's "Wow look at this autistic retard who is so dysfunctional they cannot maintain a software project". people who act like this are no different than trannies.

 

[sardonica]

Dude, there's a simple truth here you don't get. You backed the wrong horse. Wake up and smell the bacon. The best you can hope for is to deliver an inferior experience later than Chrome and Firefox. All that BS about muh classic extensions and muh privacy doesn't mean shit when the browser doesn't work on websites people use. Athenian200 and Moonchild are assholes taking advantage of suckers like you who believed in their stupid ideals but you are still a sucker as long as you think this can be anything other than a time and money pit. They are trying to keep the scam going as long as possible. Con artists love selling people on intangible or nostalgic value and acting like you can't put a price on that. This was a long con. The only person who benefitted from people continuing to invest effort in this old-ass codebase with no future and dead extensions is Moonchild. Everyone else who touches what he built and tries to move forward with it is helping perpetuate his lies and fatten his piggy bank. Try laughing at lolcows for a change instead of being one.

Chill out, have a meme

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

I may have a desire for some attention but then doesn't everyone? I, however, don't want the kind of attention of a pissing match with you guys over the merits or deficiencies of the technology I want to continue in pure form. All I can say on that point is that it is much more than just Firefox or a web client in general and leave it at that.

As for my lolcow status, if you can get some amusement from me then I have no big issue with it.. I am sure getting more amusement than frustration at this point where Moonzilla and Suckup200 are concerned. Mostly from how they are twisting them selves to pretend things have changed for them. The act can't persist nor are the seeming sycophants going to stay loyal once they realize that. It will be fun to watch that fall away as well as the directionless floundering as they try to recapture support from other minimally exceptional people like dbsoft and g4jc.

In any event, it may be time to just let this thread rest for the moment unless others want to chime in, ask questions, interrogate me, and whatnot.

OH and the meme.. True but ONLY for the moment

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

Drama is back for a short visit.. Figured I'd update you all..

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=28198

So Moonchild is ONLY addressing the cross-reference thing because the pastes I included in a quickstart email will expire today. Apperently he is still on about lying and blaming me for down services and his own inablity to restore them properly because he is actually rather shit at running servers.. Remember the un-updated Windows server that got compramised by hackers injecting viruses.. Well guess Windows Servers weren't included in Digital Ocean tutorials.. Neither is Cross-Reference.. BUT here is the email I sent him in March before he totally blocked me from his email server (also running on a Windows VPS)

Also, the archive I sent showing the xref operational code (the same code I use today on the gallium server):

So yeah.. what a fuckin lying piece of shit. Told him as such in this email I sent from an alt account I have.. You may find it barely amusing but I wrote it regardless..

Anyway, have fun guys!

EDIT: I just noticed in that very thread Moonchild said he couldn't get a "given an alpha version" working and then in his reply he said "since I wasn't able to get a new backup that fateful day" so he can't even keep his story str8 a few hours apart. Just wow...

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

OH is he pissed.. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=28198&p=226853

I especially like how he lifts out tidbits that re-enforce his fiction but ONLY cares to share things in PRIVATE.. While as I have been posting everything in PUBLIC. As I said once in an old thread in the Off-Topic Board.. THE ONLY reason he will discuss things in private (and why he hid away the threads from March) is so no one can verify anything and only those tidbits shared will be admitted to but cast in a way that remains favorable to the person giving out the crumbs.

Understanding remains a three edged sword.. Your side, their side, and the truth and unlike that furry cunt.. I have my side and the proof to back it up. That's two out of three edges and for practical purposes that is ALL I need for shit like this to cut as deep as Moonchild's and his minion's betrayal did.

 

[Aidan]

You both are enjoying this to some degree. It's ok, me too.

 

[Computer Guardian]

I'm pretty sure most people stopped caring at this point and moved back to the Open Source thread, and thus discussion would be much better there instead of treating this like a containment thread.

 

[New Tobin Paradigm]

You both are enjoying this to some degree. It's ok, me too.

I am, yeah. He isn't though.. He HATES conflict and controversy and that is why he wants to make sure only HIS voice is heard and so he can silence anyone countering that. He thought that would be the case seeing as I am banned from the Forum and RPMO as well as the subreddit shithole and MSFN and other places.. You saw how freaked out he was when he was informed of the 4chan interaction and this very thread here... He never expected that.

I'm pretty sure most people stopped caring at this point and moved back to the Open Source thread, and thus discussion would be much better there instead of treating this like a containment thread.

That may be a fair point but if it is alright with others here I would prefer to keep things contiguous when it comes to this issue for those who happen by. THOUGH if it isn't entertaining enough I can refrain from updating this thread. So please tell me what you guys want.