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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Russians have a looooong history of false flags, including in the run up to this, one of which used a BTR-70A... a vehicle that the Ukrainians don't have. Anything they claim in regards to any massacre or atrocity is a mix of denial and blaming someone else with a mix of what aboutism. I had to turn off the Russian UN speech because I genuinely was starting to get mad.
To add to this, during WW2 it wasn't uncommon for the NKVD to dress up in German uniforms and attack places in Eastern Europe that couldn't decide who to support.
Only major known issue with the Leo 2s have is the hull main gun ammunition rack is not in an armored compartment. Unlike the Americans, English, and Israelis who understood the possibility of something is going to completely penetrate the armor and hit the stowed ammunition.
German tank designers have always been "special". Not as special as Russian ones with such idiocy as placing fuel tanks in unarmored frontal compartments and then running the fuel lines along the turret ring. If you want to know why T-72's like to combust the minute they get hit, there's your answer. Nothing quite like pressurized diesel meeting hot spall.
 
If Russia mobilized, it's fucking over. Just flat out, fucking over. You don't mobilize when you're winning a conflict like they've been saying, and the Russian economy is already unsteady. It would collapse it.

Japan's economy was in tatters when it attacked Pearl Harbor in desperation (due to our oil embargo which if memory served tanked their economy 75%, this was in response to their war in China).

I don't quite understand how this works, but it does. There's always money for total war it seems.

(a big brain explanation would be greatly appreciated)
 
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Japan's economy was in tatters when it attacked Pearl Harbor in desperation (due to our oil embargo which if memory served tanked their economy 75%, this was in response to their war in China).

I don't quite understand how this works, but it does. There's always money for total war it seems.

(a big brain explanation would be greatly appreciated)
Having to mobilize to fight Ukraine would fly in the face of the Russian propaganda already and it’s not a war that sending conscripts to would be popular, on top of an economic time bomb that would become even worse. The Japanese economy wasn’t severely damaged by the oil embargo, it was mostly their fleet and military that suffered from it (if I recall my math correctly). Also, being mobilized for wars that really shouldn’t be fought has resulted in at least two revolutions in Russian history.
 
Japan's economy was in tatters when it attacked Pearl Harbor in desperation (due to our oil embargo which if memory served tanked their economy 75%, this was in response to their war in China).

I don't quite understand how this works, but it does. There's always money for total war it seems.

(a big brain explanation would be greatly appreciated)
At that point, money kinda doesn't matter anymore.

In WW2, Japan would pretty much just force their workers to work and take their products.
 
Im pro war with Russia, on the understanding that its a war to counter thier own aggression. I have no interest in invading Russian soil or regime change. A war that only requires us to destroy Russia's war machine and to disable the country from further prosecuting its offensive actions and no changes in land to either side (Kuril islands or Crimea) without needing to put boots into Russian territory is a war I can get behind.
The instant that happens, nukes go in the air. Better hope NORAD is capable enough to potentially shoot 6,000 nukes out of the air. Letting American mercenaries go to Ukraine to fight on their behalf is one thing, formally going to war with them is another entirely.
 
Customers? What Customers?
How the fuck are they still failing this badly at this?
My country was supposed to buy SU-35, but in December the MoD announced they decided to buy Rafale instead, for whatever reason. This confused the shit out of everyone, especially the Shukoi fanboys and the Russian shills in the country. Then the war broke out in February, and it turns out the Western Glowniggers already knew of the invasion since November. The funny thing is, our Defense Minister was quite close to the US and Pentagon, so take that as you will....
 
The instant that happens, nukes go in the air. Better hope NORAD is capable enough to potentially shoot 6,000 nukes out of the air. Letting American mercenaries go to Ukraine to fight on their behalf is one thing, formally going to war with them is another entirely.
So don't 'officially' go to war. If there's one thing the 21st century proves its that formally declaring hostilities is so last century.

Even then, I still say this is a big bluff by a vulnerable Putin to keep NATO boots out of Ukraine. Nobody in Russia wants the entire country west of the Urals to go up in smoke over some small portion of borderland and its unlikely Putin does either considering he has his own genetic continuances to think of. Unless the dude has literally gone full on Hitler and would rather see his nation wiped out than to suffer the indignity of being responsible for its defeat on foreign soil which I guess depends on who you ask really but I don't think He'd escalate to nukes if actually tested. Its just a good way to pussy-whip Biden.
 
I'm not even a Trumptard but dude was anything but retarded. He was probably smarter than many other government officials running the country.

That's what makes it so fucking scary.

... and Trump was a halfwit as President compared to his former self 20+ years ago.

... and then we replace him with Biden, whose last good day was in 1986.

WHY
 
Japan's economy was in tatters when it attacked Pearl Harbor in desperation (due to our oil embargo which if memory served tanked their economy 75%, this was in response to their war in China).

I don't quite understand how this works, but it does. There's always money for total war it seems.

(a big brain explanation would be greatly appreciated)
When you've mobilized into a war economy money matters less than the material goods you have access to.
 
How, exactly, is Russia hoping to secure the East, call it a day and move forward economically when there is apparently plenty of evidence of atrocities?

Thinking the Sanctions will "go away" after they take the two eastern regions and leaving the western part of Ukraine alone just isn't going to happen.

These sanctions might as well be herpes, they are for life and they are going to get worse, not better. Oh man, if the game is to have China as your customer of last resort, that's a suck-ass plan Mr. Putin ( I know, like Ethan Ralph, he reads every comment about himself).
See, Putin was betting that the unity of tge West is temporary, which actually makes sense especially after the row where Biden called for Putin's regime change. European leaders were considering they will lift the sanctions if Putin made an early peace,


Then came the revelation of Bucha....

So I'm pretty sure no one in the West is willing to lift the sanctions so long as people responsible for the war crimes got away scott free, and Putin's plan just went into shit. Basically any idea of Russia winning through peace solution is void now. There's just no way they could "win" this war without sending lots of troops to reinforce their already battered forces
 
German tank designers have always been "special". Not as special as Russian ones with such idiocy as placing fuel tanks in unarmored frontal compartments and then running the fuel lines along the turret ring. If you want to know why T-72's like to combust the minute they get hit, there's your answer. Nothing quite like pressurized diesel meeting hot spall.
Isn't the fuel that the problem and diesel have been proven to be effective dampening the effects of shape charges. In tests done by the USA, England, USSR, and other countries. Fuel burning alone wouldn't pop off the turrets as in order to do that the main gun ammunition needs to explode. Since it always been the main gun ammunition getting hit and exploding that been the biggest threat to the tank and crew.
 
It’s the first Su-35 loss confirmed. It’s also the plane Russia has arguably invested the most into in terms of electronics. The Su-35 is also one of their favorite air show aircraft. Losing it is really going to make a lot of potential buyers look at the Gripen instead.
Yeah, this is the dark humor in this. This is their most advanced plane. With state of the art sensors and avionics. It's equipped to do SEAD. "Supression of Enemy Air Defences" using additional sensor pods to find enemy ground radar and SAM Battery's. This is Russia's Top of the Line. It was shot down using a BUK Soviet Era SAM system. Y'know the exact type of system that the Su35 was primarily tested against.

More importantly I was listening to a Ward Caroll livestream while driving earlier. And he had on a Russia Air Force specialist guest. (Ward is a retired F-14 pilot who has a pretty good Youtube channel). His guest was talking about how horribly Russia was doing with SEAD. And indicated that part of the problem was they had a very limited supply of the needed sensor pods. Apparently they just lost 2 more this morning. The Ukrainian's have the wreckage of the plane, and the live pilot. Hope he remembered to wear clean underwear.
 
Isn't the fuel that the problem and diesel have been proven to be effective dampening the effects of shape charges. In tests done by the USA, England, USSR, and other countries. Fuel burning alone wouldn't pop off the turrets as in order to do that the main gun ammunition needs to explode. Since it always been the main gun ammunition getting hit and exploding that been the biggest threat to the tank and crew.
Unfortunately for the USSR during the Cold War the big emphasis of the West was on kinetic ammunition, not shaped charges. So their over-emphasis on stopping HEAT really hindered their actual protection. Their super-awesome silicate armor (that was developed and rejected by the USA in the 1950's) was too brittle to provide effective protection against kinetic shells, and some designs had textolite (basically Bakelite) as a major component of their hull armor due to its ablative anti-HEAT nature. So while that diesel tank could stop a HEAT round, getting nailed by a tungsten penetrator would just create a massive overpressure fireball inside the crew compartment. Needless to say, the pressurized fuel inside that turret ring line would be just as dangerous, especially given its proximity to the exposed ammo in the loader. And fire inside of a closed space is really fucking bad, especially since there's all sorts of other stuff likely to ignite in an armored vehicle. Like paint, upholstery, uniforms, hydraulic fluid...

But yes, in order to pop a turret you need to detonate the main ammo located in the hull. Here's where things get interesting. Soviet autoloader designs had (probably still have) an exposed shell in the main compartment at all times, which means its extremely vulnerable to secondary effects. Like fire, or spall, or... And since the autoloader mechanisms extend all the way down into the main hull, whoops! Lot of chances of going up like a British battlecruiser at Jutland, and for the same reasons. Things get even worse when you consider the Soviet lack of safety in favor of pure performance and cheapness (much like the Royal Navy), so unlike the USA who uses propellants and high explosives far more likely to deflagrate (as in burn down) than explode... yeah.

Funny story, I'll need to dig it up, but there was an interview with a Lend-Lease Sherman crewman I read a while back. His tank got hit and set on fire, and after bailing he hid under it wondering when the fire would reach the HE rounds and cause the whole thing to explode like a T-34. Never happened.
 
You're advocating for world war three and have the gal to say that you're not saying what you had just said in the exact same post.
Faggots like you obtusely want to see what you want to see. One can actually separate between sending people to die and wanting for the major powers to step in and resolve the situation they have created themselves.

I guess @Uzumaki is right that I'm being cagey because had I actually, openly advocated for the countries to be involved in the war, there would've been no stopping righteously offended on both sides in showing screenshots of me actually advocating for that.

I can tell you what you're buttering up: NATO's direct intervention into Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
I didn't realize a vile chickenhawk has any influence on the policy of the major powers. Are you afraid that if I flail my arms hard enough, Jens Stoltenberg would notice and would go like "hmmm, Vince MacMahon is right, we need to send @Lord Edge of Leetworth to die for Ukraine. WOLOLOLOLOLO"?
 
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Russia turns to China for microchips for in-demand domestic bank cards​


Russia is turning to microchip manufactures in China to circumvent western sanctions which have boosted demand for bank cards linked to the Mir payment system, an executive with the domestic payment system said.
Western sanctions imposed on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine have cut Moscow off the global financial system and from nearly half of its $640 billion in gold and foreign exchange reserves.

Oleg Tishakov, a board member with the National Card Payment System (NSPK), said Russia is facing a shortage of microchips as Asian manufactures suspend production amid a coronavirus pandemic and European suppliers have stopped cooperating with Moscow following sanctions.
"We are looking for new microchip suppliers and [have] found a couple in China, with certification process ongoing," Tishakov told a conference on Tuesday, without giving further details.

Some of Russia's biggest banks no longer have access to the SWIFT global banking messaging system, and international payment cards Visa and MasterCard have stopped servicing Russian accounts abroad. Mir's connection to Apple Pay was removed last month.
NSPK issued over 2 million Mir cards between the end of 2021 and March, according to Reuters calculations based on the system's data, with total cards outstanding now at 116 million.

All major Russian banks have reported an increased demand for the domestic card, which some now issue in a co-brand with China's UnionPay, an alternative payment system to Visa and MasterCard for purchases by Russians abroad.
Mir cards are also accepted by some banks in Turkey, Vietnam, Armenia, Uzbekistan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Georgia breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
 

Russia turns to China for microchips for in-demand domestic bank cards​


Russia is turning to microchip manufactures in China to circumvent western sanctions which have boosted demand for bank cards linked to the Mir payment system, an executive with the domestic payment system said.
Western sanctions imposed on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine have cut Moscow off the global financial system and from nearly half of its $640 billion in gold and foreign exchange reserves.

Oleg Tishakov, a board member with the National Card Payment System (NSPK), said Russia is facing a shortage of microchips as Asian manufactures suspend production amid a coronavirus pandemic and European suppliers have stopped cooperating with Moscow following sanctions.
"We are looking for new microchip suppliers and [have] found a couple in China, with certification process ongoing," Tishakov told a conference on Tuesday, without giving further details.

Some of Russia's biggest banks no longer have access to the SWIFT global banking messaging system, and international payment cards Visa and MasterCard have stopped servicing Russian accounts abroad. Mir's connection to Apple Pay was removed last month.
NSPK issued over 2 million Mir cards between the end of 2021 and March, according to Reuters calculations based on the system's data, with total cards outstanding now at 116 million.

All major Russian banks have reported an increased demand for the domestic card, which some now issue in a co-brand with China's UnionPay, an alternative payment system to Visa and MasterCard for purchases by Russians abroad.
Mir cards are also accepted by some banks in Turkey, Vietnam, Armenia, Uzbekistan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Georgia breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
How embarrassing for Russia that they apparently don't even have a tech sector to do this for them. Credit cards are 50s technology.
 
Unfortunately for the USSR during the Cold War the big emphasis of the West was on kinetic ammunition, not shaped charges. So their over-emphasis on stopping HEAT really hindered their actual protection. Their super-awesome silicate armor (that was developed and rejected by the USA in the 1950's) was too brittle to provide effective protection against kinetic shells, and some designs had textolite (basically Bakelite) as a major component of their hull armor due to its ablative anti-HEAT nature.
The silicate armor component was rejected by Congress over cost not effectiveness. As U.S. military was keenly aware while HEAT not the main AT shell for tanks, as it is however the goto warhead for antitank missiles, rockets and recoilless rifles. As seen now for the past month with the Ukrainians spamming ATGMs at the Russians at every opportunity.
So while that diesel tank could stop a HEAT round, getting nailed by a tungsten penetrator would just create a massive overpressure fireball inside the crew compartment. Needless to say, the pressurized fuel inside that turret ring line would be just as dangerous, especially given its proximity to the exposed ammo in the loader. And fire inside of a closed space is really fucking bad, especially since there's all sorts of other stuff likely to ignite in an armored vehicle. Like paint, upholstery, uniforms, hydraulic fluid...
Fuel isn't intended to be primary armor and it was more of a matter of where to put the fuel cells on the AFVs when designing them. Which you're fixated on a nothing burger as when an AFV get lit up, it is almost always the propellant charges lighting up first.
 
Do you guys like pranks? Here's a "prank" where dude calls the russian soldier, impersonates shipping company and tricks him into admitting to sending looted goods from Ukraine home, after which they tell him that he's a dead man walking. Following that, brave russian soldier gets awfully silent
Personal information of many russian marauders is public knowledge

Not really news, but it's kinda cathartic
 
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