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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I can top that.

Russians filled bags with radioactive dirt and made a defensive fortified firing position right next to the 4th (the one that blew up) block of Chernobyl nuke station.

I'm not sure what's more dumb, making a nest out of radioactive dirt or expect someone trying to storm the
I still can't believe the Russians were this stupid and uneducated. It would be like finding Canadians unaware of the World Trade Center attacks.
 
I still can't believe the Russians were this stupid and uneducated. It would be like finding Canadians unaware of the World Trade Center attacks.
some say that chernobyl is downplayed and swept under the rug in russian media and education
dont know if this is true but it would explain how they apparently ended up with large numbers of soldiers and officers happily irradiating themselves without deserting en masse
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for reference, the quote in the picture he posted is "every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. sooner or later, that debt is paid"
in the series it is used to describe how coverups and lies about nuclear reactor design made the disaster possible in the first place
 
And then it'll be like that time we learned the MiG-31 (?) was vastly overestimated and is nothing to worry about.
We already know Russian counterparts are garbage despite their wild claims. What will help is finding where the Russians are getting commercial grade parts for their military hardware, data speeds as well as capabilities. The only thing in this war that might provide technological insight is their hypersonics, but even then I'm banking on a MiG 31 incident where it turns out it's a lemon.
 
We already know Russian counterparts are garbage despite their wild claims. What will help is finding where the Russians are getting commercial grade parts for their military hardware, data speeds as well as capabilities. The only thing in this war that might provide technological insight is their hypersonics, but even then I'm banking on a MiG 31 incident where it turns out it's a lemon.
Hypersonics are scary, but one weapon Russia has that terrifies me on an existential level (besides nukes), is the VA-111 Shkval. It's a supercavitating "torpedo", but could more accurately be described as being a goddamn hypersonic underwater homing missile. They create their own bubble & fly inside it, steering by skimming the bubble with vanes & using vectored thrust. The technology is more mature as well, having been around for decades.

And unlike their strategic bombers which can only carry 1-3 hypersonic missiles (that I know of), Russian attack subs carry a lot more than that.

I've heard rumblings that the Iranians, Russians, & Chicoms have seabed launch cells of these things; if I were a driving anything Russian outside of Sevastopol, well... I expect Ukrainians are getting antsy for a prestige target, and that fuel depot thing didn't really count for as much.
 
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Hypersonics are scary, but one weapon Russia has that terrifies me on an existential level (besides nukes), is the VA-111 Shkval. It's a supercavitating "torpedo", but could more accurately be described as being a goddamn hypersonic underwater homing missile. They create their own bubble & fly inside it, steering by skimming the bubble with vanes & using vectored thrust. The technology is more mature as well, having been around for decades.

And unlike their strategic bombers which can only carry 1-3 hypersonic missiles (that I know of), Russian attack subs carry a lot more than that.

I've heard rumblings that the Iranians, Russians, & Chicoms have seabed launch cells of these things; if I were a driving anything Russian outside of Sevastopol, well... I expect Ukrainians are getting antsy for a prestige target, and that fuel depot thing didn't really count for as much.
If the Russians actually had enough of these weapons to matter, they'd have used them, or at least threatened to use them by now. As it stands, it seems that they don't have enough of these to cause enough damage.
 
If Kiev was indeed a "feint" by Russia then it might actually be one of the worst feints in military history
You'd be surprised how many "feints" and "reconnaissances-in-force" the USSR had in WW2 that employed suspiciously large amounts of men and materiel. Even the "wildly successful" Operation Bagration was massively disproportionately bloody for the Russians, and the Red Army was arguably at its height at that point in time before the country's dregs started getting sent to the front lines in serious number.
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Fighting globohomo one child at a time.
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This, my friends, is why the world will believe the Ukrainian bullshit that all those unarmed, tied, and blindfolded Russian bodies next to a bullet-ridden wall were totally active belligerents as opposed to captives executed in cold blood.
on the subject of toilets, old woman mentioned that when Russian occupied her village, they squatted in her house and asked for a bucket. When she asked why they need a bucket, they said for shitting. They were real surprised to find out that all private houses had inside toilets and running water.
The Red Army had serious discipline and morale issues as they moved further and further West in WW2. Turns out even the ruined, shelled, barely-intact cities of Europe that had already been looted by the Germans for their war machine were still more materially wealthy and better off than most of Russia, and the commissars had to do a lot of quick thinking to convince the men it was capitalism's fault Russia was so dead broke as opposed to Communism not proving itself to be all it had promised it would.
This is ironically something that Redditors called out from the beginning of the war, it'd be funny if it turned out they were right.
Still not something I feel like taking a risk on. Even if half their nukes spontaneously explode the minute they undergo pre-launch checks that's still more than enough to give the rest of the world a very, very bad day.
>the west is having food riots and is gonna collapse any day now, trust the plan!
Meanwhile in gopnikland they're locking up butter in security containers lmao

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Those are soap bars it looks like, not butter you guys. Pretty sure not even Russians are dumb enough to leave dairy products unrefrigerated. Then again, why would they need to lock up something Russians don't ever use?
Close but was the MiG-25 that got the West freaking out. Then it found out the Foxbat is just a long range interceptor slash recon aircraft not the multi-role death machine the West thought it was.
Yep. The West shat bricks at seeing those big-ass wings and thought it was going to be a hyper-maneuverable death machine. And then it turns out the whole thing was made out of stainless steel since aluminum would corrode away under its expected flying temperatures, and as a result was about as maneuverable as a brick. To quote from Wikipedia:
The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 (Russian: Микоян и Гуревич МиГ-25; NATO reporting name: Foxbat) is a supersonic interceptor and reconnaissance aircraft that is among the fastest military aircraft to enter service. Designed by the Soviet Union's Mikoyan-Gurevich bureau, it is one of the few combat aircraft built primarily using stainless steel. It was to be the last plane designed by Mikhail Gurevich, before his retirement.

The first prototype flew in 1964 and the aircraft entered service in 1970. It has an operational top speed of Mach 2.83. Although its thrust was sufficient to reach Mach 3.2+, its speed was limited to prevent engines from overheating at higher air speeds and possibly damaging them beyond repair. The MiG-25 features a powerful radar and four air-to-air missiles and was theoretically capable of a ceiling of 27 km (89,000 ft). When first seen in reconnaissance photography, the large wings suggested an enormous and highly maneuverable fighter, at a time when U.S. design theories were also evolving towards higher maneuverability due to combat performance in the Vietnam War. The appearance of the MiG-25 sparked serious concern in the West and prompted dramatic increases in performance for the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle, then under development in the late 1960s. The capabilities of the MiG-25 were better understood by the West in 1976 when Soviet pilot Viktor Belenko defected in a MiG-25 to the United States via Japan. It turned out that the aircraft's weight necessitated its large wings.
So, the US shat its pants, radically redesigned the F-15 to be even more maneuverable and capable of dogfighting... and then we laughed our asses off in 1976 once we actually got our hands on one.
 
Isn't the old soviet joke "They're giving us all planes and televisions so that when we see on television that a store has butter we can get in our planes and fly there"?
Radio Yerevan jokes are great, here's one:
Listeners ask: is it true that they're giving out cars on the Red Square? Yes, it's true, but not cars but bikes, not on the Red Square but around Warsaw Central Station, and not giving out but stealing.
 
It's absolutely doable if the US/NATO snataches up Ukr Soliders and trains them stateside then sends them back with M1 tanks or other sophisticated equipment. While training someone to be a pilot/tanker from the ground up takes months, cross training a already trained pilot/tanker to a different airframe/tank is a lesser struggle. As we reach past 40 days of this war it seems like a worthwile endavor. I learned how to drive an M113 in less than a month, AFVs are pretty easy to teach compared to MBTs and aircraft and could probably be done safely in Germany or the UK.
How about we don't give our latest tanks and planes, plus training, to a country that is notoriously corrupt and will likely be unstable for quite some time even after they win?

Giving them anti-tank/aircraft missiles was reckless enough. I can't wait for an enterprising Ukie to start rounding up hundreds of Javelins and selling them to whatever 2022 ISIS calls itself...
 
How about we don't give our latest tanks and planes, plus training, to a country that is notoriously corrupt and will likely be unstable for quite some time even after they win?

Giving them anti-tank/aircraft missiles was reckless enough. I can't wait for an enterprising Ukie to start rounding up hundreds of Javelins and selling them to whatever 2022 ISIS calls itself...
A smart Ukie would reverse engineer the technology first.
 
How about we don't give our latest tanks and planes, plus training, to a country that is notoriously corrupt and will likely be unstable for quite some time even after they win?

Giving them anti-tank/aircraft missiles was reckless enough. I can't wait for an enterprising Ukie to start rounding up hundreds of Javelins and selling them to whatever 2022 ISIS calls itself...
If TPTB have need for nu-ISIS, they'll give them weapons with or without Ukies.
 
How about we don't give our latest tanks and planes, plus training, to a country that is notoriously corrupt and will likely be unstable for quite some time even after they win?

Giving them anti-tank/aircraft missiles was reckless enough. I can't wait for an enterprising Ukie to start rounding up hundreds of Javelins and selling them to whatever 2022 ISIS calls itself...
Yeah because the Abrams is already in service in such transparent and stable countries as Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. With a signed deal to deliver the latest model to Poland this year.
 
Yeah because the Abrams is already in service in such transparent and stable countries as Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. With a signed deal to deliver the latest model to Poland this year.
Seriously, the U.S. will sell their tech to anyone willing to play ball with America and help it geopolitically. Not sure why Ukraine would be any different.
 
How about we don't give our latest tanks and planes, plus training, to a country that is notoriously corrupt and will likely be unstable for quite some time even after they win?

Giving them anti-tank/aircraft missiles was reckless enough. I can't wait for an enterprising Ukie to start rounding up hundreds of Javelins and selling them to whatever 2022 ISIS calls itself...
what do you think a jihadi group is gonna do with tanks or airplanes lol
this equipment requires expensive maintenance, and crews of trained specialists to use it. non state actors can't keep it operational.

proliferation concerns make sense when it comes to all the manpads and atgms that have been going to ukraine, those can actually be a big and powerful asset for terrorist groups, but real heavy weaponry is basically unusable for them. the only concern here would be that it gets sold to the chinese, who will then reverse engineer it and gain info on how american gear works.
 
Yeah because the Abrams is already in service in such transparent and stable countries as Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. With a signed deal to deliver the latest model to Poland this year.
Exactly. Also on the slim chance we can actually get a company of M1 tanks to a trained group of Ukrainian tankers and have them engage Russian tanks it will provide a lot of combat data and answer the question if the two wars US tanks engaged Russian T72s in Iraq successfully was just a fluke due to "monkey" models.
 
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