Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Spicey McHaggis]

Could just be smoke and dust from conventional munitions, that shit ain't exactly gonna have no effects if it's filling the air all around you

Yeah, or if it hit something. Plenty of common chemicals that modern factories get in 55 gallon drums would cause those kind of effects.

 

[Potatoherder]

They're holed up in a a soviet era steel mill. The amount of toxic waste all around that place probably rivals chernobyl in terms of lethalness.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

There's a huge gap between "doing nothing" and invading your neighbor. Like I thought Putin did a brilliant piece of realpolitik by making all of western media cry about a impending invasion for months, then just announcing that Crimea and the Donetsk republics were officially becoming Russian territory. Western media and leaders appear paranoid and irrational, the public is happy that it didn't lead to war and just made the Russian annexation of Ukrainian territory official. But then they declare war, basically turning themselves into a pariah state and having to fight a slug fest of a war against the second largest army in Europe.
If it wasn't for the war Germany would still become further and further dependent on Russian gas. If it wasn't for the war they wouldn't be torpedoing the election of european politicians who aren't outright hostile to Russia. If it wasn't for the war the absolute disaster in Afghanistan would still be the worst military campaign this century.
Like what was the fucking plan here? It was stupid, and it will remain stupid.

I have no idea, and we will probably never know the truth. Invading Ukraine seems like the dumbest idea Russia has had since Communism, but it's definitely not unprovoked, tho it does look like they went in half-cocked.

Maybe they believed their own bullshit, maybe not. I assume at some level the Russians decided this was the least bad out of a range of shitty options, otherwise why do it? Hopefully it won't turn out as bad as Iraq (460,000 dead, not counting all the kids murdered by sanctions in the 90's) and Afghanistan (170,000 dead), but it's true that 'the West' is doing what it can to make this as bloody and violent as possible, after 'the West' did everything it could to turn Ukraine into a thorn in Russia's ass. It might be too late for Ukies to save their country now, but if they do it at all they've got to realize they've been used as sockpuppets and meat shields by people who don't care if they die or starve.

Nobody involved in this shit show at senior political levels is a sympathetic character, they're all compulsively lying evil men* and she-men who deserve to burn in Hell for all eternity, including Putin, Zelensky, the geriatric child-sniffer, the Canadian minstrel and the AIDS-ravaged pozhole that is the EU and UK.

People are simping for their favorite kleptocratic sociopaths as if it was their local sports team or something, but we are dumb niggercattle to them. They would happily ban every one of us from the internet, take away our livelihoods, publicly shame or imprison us for saying naughty words, make us 'live' like impoverished gay serfs if they could (and they're trying!). Western governments and their corporate sponsors have been at war with their own people for decades, and the current demolition of Western living standards isn't an accident. All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us.

*except Luka.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

vestibulocerebellar ataxia is a progressive neurological disorder, it has nothing to do with the aftereffects of chemical weapons attacks

 

[Narcotics]

I don't know man, if the chem attack at mariupol claim did originate from azov guys then it's sus as hell for me, specially since those are the guys that have been trapped in a steel factory for quite some days and have been basically abandoned by other ukie troops.

Also they are unironic nazi larpers so they kinda deserve it if true lol

 

[MrJokerRager]

If someone nuked NYC, they would be doing the US and the whole world a favor.

After rewatching the movie "The Rock" a while ago.

I realized that the Colonel was right and justified, but since its a movie, they had to make Nicholas Cage and Sean Connery win.

 

[Meat Target]

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vestibulocerebellar ataxia is a progressive neurological disorder, it has nothing to do with the aftereffects of chemical weapons attacks

SHUT UP PUTINBOT! CHEMICAL WEAPONS! CHEMICAL WEAPONS! CHEMICAL WEAPONS! WW3 NOW!

 

[Nationalistbrother1776]

How is it not working

Serious question as Russia's biggest and closest allies remain conspicuously silent while Westerners by comfortable majorities are rooting for the hohols and supporting their governments lining up to hand out dem gibs to King Kike Nazi

I mispoke I really meant That these tricks Usually would be a precursor to victory Like a military one but Looks like only an information war victory. But yeah you are right in that regard.

 

[Nationalistbrother1776]

After rewatching the movie "The Rock" a while ago.

I realized that the Colonel was right and justified, but since its a movie, they had to make Nicholas Cage and Sean Connery win.

A lot of people who watch the movie back in A-day especially guys in the military definitely definitely liked the colonel but they just didn't like the way he went about. Never use mercenaries lol

 

[Narcotics]

I wonder if all these motherfuckers in the comments of the kyiv twitter know what the azov group is truly about.

"Red line. Dark red. NATO, Serbia and the rest of the world has to act. Isolate Russia. No fly zone above Ukraine. This has to STOP!!!"

Reminder that there's no official confirmation yet.

FUCKING USELESS PIECE OF SHIT CMON NATO START WW3 ALREADY ME NAZI LARPERS GOT GASED

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

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Russia could drop a balloon full of liquid shit, and it would qualify as a "chemical attack".

To be fair, the DPR defense spokesman did say they should use chemical troops to "find a way to smoke these moles out of their holes,” a few hours ago.

 

[glib]

Which was entirely the fault of the Soviets. They wanted to play a superpower with a poorly educated population and struggling economic output. It wasn't some CIA ploy that broke them up. The Soviets saw how shit was stagnating and their military was incapable of keeping up with western forces, and eventually the non Russian states left the USSR for deeming it too Russian, and the Russians broke up the USSR because it wasn't Russian enough.

That's not the point. The point is that Putin economically guided the country after Yeltsin. Thats what the graph says to me. Assigning blame doesn't alter the fact that they were struggling before him, and their economy and infrastructure needed to be repaired or else it would fall even more, and more areas would separate from the Federation. Whether you think that's good or not is not my point, because Putin's Russian agenda is clearly Federal, not localized.

The US and Mexico both have sufficient birth rates. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the rest of that shit. Are you arguing Russia shouldn't feel safe or should? GDP means jack shit when it's almost all in Oil exports and most money is in the hands of a few hyper rich psychos.

Mexico has a higher birthrate, thats great for them. But Russia and USA are similar in many ways, and not just birth rates. The trend is downward across the board though, and i credit economics. The cost to raise a child is very high in developed places. The desire to provide for children "responsibly" drives this behavior in my opinion.

GDP matters to me because it is a metric that is trackable. If you'd like a different metric thats fine, i'm open to discussing that.
To me, the whole "Sanction Russia" as a tool of economic warfare is insufficient, and probably something Russia was prepared for. They're not stupid, they wouldn't do something like this unless they had something to gain, something to maintain, or a lot to lose.
Russia should not feel safe, why would they? They should be concerned what happens after Putin. They should be concerned about Europe's direction in general. They should be concerned about their historical allies. They should be concerned about everything. What kind of world do we live in? The world people want, or a clown show that we don't want?

I like how you can pinpoint Putin's fuckery in those graphs. The growth from the 2000s stalled out.
Similarly to China, which also seemed to be making huge strides in the 2000s and then decided to clamp down.

Where?

Ukraine's neutralization is only temporary. It will be rebuilt. It will be much cheaper than rebuilding Europe after WWII.

Of course it will be rebuilt, but because they didn't "play ball" with Russia 10 years ago, now its a burden on Europe to do all that work, while Russia's burden will be to build up "Novorossiya", which will be more patriotic, a buffer state for Russia against Nato encroachment, and a boon in terms of natural resources.

The west doesn't deploy militarily because of nukes.

Ironically neither the west nor the east wanted Ukraine to have nuclear weapons.
Ukraine's territorial integrity existed as a neutral state between Russia and the rest of Europe.
That is the tenuous peace that was integral to a stable Ukraine in my opinion. The rest is fuckery from both eastern, and western intelligence agencies trying to influence and obtain control over Ukraine's government. Russia wanted a Pro-Russia Ukraine. Europe and Kolomoisky wanted a Pro-Western Ukraine.
Of course, these external influences were held as more important than Ukraine itself.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/10/ukraine-nuclear/6250815/

Screwed over their own people? My dude, almost nobody cares when NATO deploys.

NATO barely deploys. They deployed in Serbia, to protect Turkey, etc. Who are these "people" that are supposed to care or don't care?

Only the Bongs still bring up Kosovo, no idea why but they're the only Euros who remember it.

Balkans have been upset at shit going on in the Balkans for hundreds of years. The fact no one cares is not a good thing for them, or for a mutual sense of assurance.

It's impossible to respond accordingly to a nuclear power, and the running joke is that Putin cured covid. The European military might be turbofucked, but in a world with no nukes a NATO intervention would still have them slapped the Z boys back to Siberia.

Which is part of the overall reason regarding why Russia chose to do their "Special Operation: Not a War tho" right now.

Their gains were already solidified. How exactly are they neutralizing the Ukrainians? And what's the plan here? They've already failed to take Kiev.

I think they're going to destroy the combat effectiveness of all Ukrainian military east of Kiev. This = neutralization.
I think they're going to take a lot of eastern and Southern Ukraine, but not demolish Ukraine entirely because a Rump State is actually a tactical advantage in the long run. It allows Russia to consolidate their control while leaving area for Ukranians to remain Ukrainian.
I think they're going to solidify their gains for DPR/LPR/Crimean sovereignty (which is not so sovereign of course)
Transnistria remains an open question to me. I do not know if they will link up there or not.
I do not believe there was a general assault on Kiev, because that would be a very expensive battle, and not integral to any kind of battle elsewhere. Looks more like a feint or bait.

They invaded a politically divided nation and have given them a common enemy to hate and fight. You've now got more Ukrainians armed and fighting than when this shit started.

But they are late to the battle, they are outgunned and undertrained, and by the time they have mobilized half the countries fighting men with any kind of useful weaponry it will most likely be too late. Azov and the Ukrainian army were so focused on the east, they got caught in a pocket. Did they expect to be invaded from every direction?

Are they going to grind their way to Lviv for the next decade?

I doubt it.

How will Russia defend itself if half their equipment gets lost fighting the hohols?

I don't believe that is the case, that's very optimistic thinking. To assume that Ukraine has decimated Russian equipment without having air support.
If ukraine had some kind of air superiority they could protect their static artillery, they could fight more effectively. But I think Russia's experience in Syria, and the trend of global conflict has led to modern military strategists assuming that a sustained air campaign after a decapitation strike like the first day of battle is the most effective way to fight. Clearly ATGMs can stand up to modernized Tanks. Clearly helicopters are vulnerable. Clearly IFVs/APCs/MRAPs are vulnerable. Hence the initial blitzkrieg slowing down for the past month after substantial gains in the first week.

The Russians are falling into the same trap of pretending to a superpower and making more and more enemies by using force rather than diplomacy.

Its full spectrum warfare. Economic, propagandistic, military, espionage, diplomacy. The issue is that no side wants the other to even exist. No side wants to deal with the other side's lies. There is an uncompromising spirit at the heart of every politician. This is why negotiations have been terrible this entire time. Why should Zelensky not hand over parts of his country in exchange for not losing more of his forces? Why should Russia not dominate them when they can? The fact of the matter is that diplomacy is not good faith. Its lawfare on a national scale. I lament it of course, but I believe that to be the situation.

 

[Fougaro]

Wagner telegram apparently reposting /chug/ memes.

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/chug/ wins again.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Ukrainean telegram channels and social media have began to disseminate the news. For what it is worth, Russian Ministry of Defense had warned there would be such "provocations".

The night promises to be ripe with events.

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"About an hour ago, the Russian occupant troops used a toxic agent against military and civilian targets in Mariupol", etc, etc.

Putler didn't pour Zyklon-B into the Azov-occupied sewers, but he should have.

 

[Puff]

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Russia could drop a balloon full of liquid shit, and it would qualify as a "chemical attack".

That would be a biological attack.

 

[Narcotics]

Aaaah shit! Zman has released a video about the topic! expect retarded statements by NATO/burger politicians and news tabloids in a few hours.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

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Aaaah shit! Zman has released a video about the topic! expect retarded statements by NATO/burger politicians and news tabloids in a few hours.

The White Helmets were called such because they were of pure Ukrainian phenotype.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

No deaths, alleged chem hit only military. Three people had spins?

It’s bullshit. But NATO being led around by Biden will probably justify more arms being sent (not really) and use this an excuse for the American economy to be utter shit.

“Times economically are going to be tough. Russia sprayed Windex on Nazis so your food prices are going up by another three dollars or so.”

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

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Aaaah shit! Zman has released a video about the topic! expect retarded statements by NATO/burger politicians and news tabloids in a few hours.

Bad look regardless when you get an official spokesmen saying shit like this a few before

To be fair, the DPR defense spokesman did say they should use chemical troops to "find a way to smoke these moles out of their holes,” a few hours ago.
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[Fougaro]

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vestibulocerebellar ataxia is a progressive neurological disorder, it has nothing to do with the aftereffects of chemical weapons attacks

>tfw you live to see Nazis literally oy veying about getting gassed