The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

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Narutard said:
All you care about is being right, consequences be damned.
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The consequences are irrelevant if he is right. That's why libtards hate Shapiro's "facts don't care about your feelings" line so much. Truth and correctness, what's right? That's secondary. We have to first "wEiGh tHe COnSeQuEnCeS", maybe some poor tranny will feel bad if we say he's, in fact, a dude.

Narutard said:
If you're wrong you just conveniently blame those dang liberals.
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What does this mean? Provide an example, please.
 
SSj_Ness said:
The consequences are irrelevant if he is right. That's why libtards hate Shapiro's "facts don't care about your feelings" line so much. Truth and correctness, what's right? That's secondary. We have to first "wEiGh tHe COnSeQuEnCeS", maybe some poor tranny will feel bad if we say he's, in fact, a dude.
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fetuses aren't living people. that's a fact and it hurts your feelings, get rekt
SSj_Ness said:
What does this mean? Provide an example, please.
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can you read?
 
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gang weeder said:
This is the crux of the issue and the most interesting thing to see abortion advocates struggle with. I also theorize that they deflect so often to other excuses because they do not want to try and address this issue. The problem is not merely with "proving when personhood begins," it's with even defining personhood in the first place. I have yet to see any halfway sensible definition which justifies abortion. I think the most common attempts from this thread are:

1. Able to feel pain
2. Has a nervous system (though no one seemed interested in trying to quantify how many neurons exactly the fetus must have before it "becomes a person" in this manner)
3. Is conscious and/or self-aware

These are woefully inadequate qualifiers for reasons already gone over ad nauseum. The abortion advocates usually go back to calling people incels after they get tired of repeating them in circles. Do you have any better ones?
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This is definitely true - however I would argue the pro-life perspective is equally as self-serving. (This is basically the secret to all morality - people act first then come up with a moral framework to justify their actions later.)

For example, do you believe in mercy killing someone who has experienced brain death? Why or why not? A braindead person has more functioning neurons than a fetus at conception.

This is why I like the consistency of a purely humanist perspective - you keep both the fetus and the braindead patient alive simply because they have human DNA. This is also why I also like the consistency of a typical nervous system respecter - they recognize that neither the fetus nor the braindead patient have any quantifiable personhood.
snailslime said:
a woman shouldn't have to go through a c section to deliver a baby she doesn't want.
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This is a good point - it's easy for men to forget the significant biological investment that women have to make to carry a child to birth. For most of human history, it also carried the risk of death.

I predict that future generations of humans will popularize artificially inducing premature births and finish development of babies in artificial wombs for no other reason than the convenience factor. Honestly, a woman shouldn't have to go through a c section to deliver a baby that she does want.
 
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BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
This is definitely true - however I would argue the pro-life perspective is equally as self-serving. (This is basically the secret to all morality - people act first then come up with a moral framework to justify their actions later.)
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While your observation that humans are self-serving is obviously true in a general sense (again, it's pretty clear why a whore believes in "the right to choose"), I am curious what the self-serving aspect is for someone like me. Or better, for women who are pro-life, since the trope of "well you just want to re-enact the handmaid's tale" is harder to apply to them.

BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
For example, do you believe in mercy killing someone who has experienced brain death? Why or why not? A braindead person has more functioning neurons than a fetus at conception.
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I think I've answered this one previously in the thread. I don't have a solid answer to this one way or the other. I could see either side of that question, personally. The more relevant way to think about this situation is to imagine a coma patient who you know for a fact will wake up in a few months. What does a "nervous system respecter" do with this person? Is it okay to kill them because their nervous system is not yet functioning, despite the certain knowledge that if simply given time, it will?
 
BULLY HUNTER_77 said:
This is a good point - it's easy for men to forget the significant biological investment that women have to make to carry a child to birth. For most of human history, it also carried the risk of death.

I predict that future generations of humans will popularize artificially inducing premature births and finish development of babies in artificial wombs for no other reason than the convenience factor. Honestly, a woman shouldn't have to go through a c section to deliver a baby that she does want.
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i totally agree. i think people underestimate just how ridiculously taxing and traumatic it is on women's bodies to give birth.

anecdotal, but i know a woman who is very religious who birthed 7 kids and she tells me she can no longer sneeze without peeing or do physical activities without developing a horrible ache somewhere.
 
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I think that we will never know definitively one way or the other what the right answer to this question is. Unless you count theological answers but most people want scientific answers which come up lacking. What makes a person a person? Clearly the fetus is human and it is living. That's basic biology. But the question is whether or not it is a person because the fetus behaves so differently from what we would call human. Ultimately I think that it is best to air on the side of caution and be pro life. I can live with myself if I am wrong. I am not so sure that pro-choicers can do so if they are wrong and fully grasp the gravity of this issue.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
I don't either, at least we have that in common.
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yeah, you just love women
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