Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Hippopatumus]

That is some redneck shit, except rednecks know how bullet cartridges work outside of a gun barrel.

 

[Borscht]

It's not just a legal issue but a political one. They are implying that it's an act of genocide since these kids will grow up losing their Ukrainian identity through Russian foster parents and culture.

The issue of kids losing their identity didn't stop Ukraine from banning Russian and Greek from schools all the way back in 2014, immediately after the coup.

If you don't trust Russian media, here is a Greek source from eight years ago. The issue was even raised in European parliament for all the good it did.

 

[Oxous]

Zelensky (i.e. the Ukrainian government) comments on Ukrainian casualties for the first time in about a month I believe.

This is pretty much the exact same number of Ukrainian KIA as the U.S. estimated there was more than a month ago. So not exactly a very reliable figure, although the 10,000 injured is more believable.

 

[Corpun]

Unbelievable interview of Florence Gaub about Russians. Feeling of purity and naivety
"Russians look european but are not"
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https://twitter.com/FreedomHonor666/status/1514981121599197185

https://archive.ph/jX0uL

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From wiki: "Florence Gaub is a Franco-German researcher, deputy director at the European Union Institute for Security Studies in Paris since February 2018. Gaub studied political science at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich and at Paris Sorbonne University. "

I don't really give a shit what she rants about but this idea that people aren't culturally similar because they aren't all slobbering and drooling in support of 'democracy' and 'equality' is always so grating. It is this mindset that TPTB use to keep people divided by telling them that the other side are savages that want them dead and their kids raped.

Of course there are people who want that though.

i love how one half are on their phones because of course they are. and then you have retard in chief here swinging around live ammunition like its a toy. they say the Russians are retarded my god. if this is what the Russians will be fighting in the donbass, i can only imagine where their decent motorifle and airborne brigades have gone.

The next generation of soldiers in the field is going to be interesting. I wonder if the Reddit Battalion is more competent than these kids.

What can I say? We are a nation of idiots who are swing by emotions like a pendelum.
Wołyń used to equivalent of Katyń. Now people pretend it's not the same because whatever.

Am I the only one who supports fencing Slavdom in a containment zone and letting them kill eachother over ethnic squabbles while the world watches?

 

[Frisk]

There are children in the Donbas, no? It's a bit presumptuous to say they had a Ukrainian identity.

I'll bite the bullet and say "yes", it's a bit presumptuous in the case of Donbas. But at the same time language is one of the driving forces behind the clash between Russian and Ukrainian cultures so it's understandable if both sides take this matter very seriously.

The issue of kids losing their identity didn't stop Ukraine from banning Russian and Greek from schools all the way back in 2014, immediately after the coup.

If you don't trust Russian media, here is a Greek source from eight years ago. The issue was even raised in European parliament for all the good it did.

I am not condoning Ukraine's government and I certainly am not exculpating their actions. My viewpoint here is simple: Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Titos]

This is accurate.

I remember a certain Japanese man phrasing it as "Russians are like Africans but the wrong color".

 

[Lookie-lou]

Can anyone please explain what's up with the Ukrainian Megathread? It's extremely duplicitous and vile even for A&H standards. Worse yet, the most warmongering lot there are Slavs that cheer on their own people getting slaughtered from a comfortable distance. I'm pro-Ukraine for ethical reasons and I just can't stand them. They don't even seem mentally ill or ironic, just evil.

oversimplification and a big #NOTALL___, but basically poles and Ukrainians under the age of 30 have all been groomed for life to see Russia and Russians as literal Mordor and it's orcs. Russians, at least those living in Russia have been groomed to love moscow and that everyone loves them by moscow. Also Georgians are pissed as F about what went down in the latter 00s.

Hence why there's a huge imbalance in which side is willing to brag about committing war crimes.

 

[Duke Nukem]

From a Ukrainian account; footage of a small drone used for recon. I think it's pretty impressive.
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Some inventive ppl. Used both by Ukrainians and LPR/DNR:
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Aerodynamics? What's that?

Reminds me of the Muslim jihadist types who cover their rockets in green and electrical tape. It's apparently to defeat our active countermeasures or something they believe Abrams tanks have???

 

[Corpun]

There are children in the Donbas, no? It's a bit presumptuous to say they had a Ukrainian identity.

I doubt the Ukies want to see ethnic Russians living in Ukraine as ethnic Russian anymore.

 

[Chinggis Khan]

I don't really give a shit what she rants about but this idea that people aren't culturally similar because they aren't all slobbering and drooling in support of 'democracy' and 'equality' is always so grating. It is this mindset that TPTB use to keep people divided by telling them that the other side are savages that want them dead and their kids raped.

What is even more obnoxious is that if they were applicably consistent with their rhetoric, they would have to admit that the US Right is correct in their calls to secure election integrity, and cast doubt on the 2020 and previous elections. As all of the standards they are asking for are almost all universally applied to elections in Europe. Though in the US, that is "baseless conspiracy theory", "misinformation", "russian disinformation", "the big lie". In their own elections, however, it's just common sense.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

From a Ukrainian account; footage of a small drone used for recon. I think it's pretty impressive.
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Some inventive ppl. Used both by Ukrainians and LPR/DNR:
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Jfc, we're gonna be seeing a lot of people missing limbs and hands because of those. Specifically the people using them.

 

[Chinggis Khan]

I doubt the Ukies want to see ethnic Russians living in Ukraine as ethnic Russian anymore.

Well of course, that's why they found themselves in a war. I don't see why anyone else outside of Ukraine has to entertain these delusions.

 

[UVB-76]

That is some redneck shit, except rednecks know how bullet cartridges work outside of a gun barrel.

Oh they're not meant to "work". That stuff is a field expedient way of adding fragmentation effects to a HEAT round. It fucks with the aerodynamics of the projectile, though.

 

[Corpun]

Well of course, that's why they found themselves in a war. I don't see why anyone else outside of Ukraine has to entertain these delusions.

Because most people are retards who think this is 39 all over and Ukraine is 100% Ukrainian and not 60 or whatever.

 

[Based Boy]

Considering that Crimea was taken by Russia, L/DNR were in open revolt since 2014 and de facto Russian satellite states that fought for independence from Ukraine or federalization of Ukraine, 8 years of ukrainianization and the fact that most pro-Russian youths run away from Ukraine into Russia to avoid being conscripted to fight in Donbass, you can consider Ukraine near 100% Ukrainian (and who does not agree with it inside Ukraine itself can be shot as "russian saboteur").

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

I see. How many Ukrainians are legit demanding to adopt these orphans? And by legit I mean not human traffickers demanding new stock for their sex trade business.

We can't really know seeing as it's not like Russia's coordinating with Ukraine on this. As you can see from the orders of magnitude in difference in the numbers that Russian media is talking about and the Ukraine spokesman is claiming.

There are children in the Donbas, no? It's a bit presumptuous to say they had a Ukrainian identity.

Remember it's Ukraine's stance he's talking about. As far as they're concerned, the DPR and LPR are merely the local administrators set up in Ukrainian territory occupied by Russia and the Russian backed rebels. So the kids would still be Ukrainian, learning to speak the local mix of Russian and Ukrainian, exposed to Ukrainian culture etcetera. Even if as a practical matter the occupying authority might be pushing Russian and disassociation from Ukraine. An optimistic stance for Ukraine to take as far as the children goes to say the least, but one it shouldn't be too surprising they're taking.

Now however those Ukrainian children are being taken out of Ukraine to be raised in Russia. No need to learn any Ukrainian, no real exposure. So Ukraine understandably isn't too happy about that and is saying something. Which given the circumstances, takes on a significant amount of exaggeration.

 

[White_N]

Soldiers of special forces units (some without restraining emotions) sincerely thank the residents of the border territories (https://t.me/rusvmeste/55006 ) for a warm welcome

 

[JosephStalin]

Some funny hijinks on Twitter.

https://americanwirenews.com/cat-and-mouse-game-goes-hilariously-viral-when-projection-image-trolls-russian-embassy/

https://archive.ph/UuYPM

 

[Netizennameless]

The only thing that might be a fantasy on their part is the numbers involved. Rumblings started a month ago about Russia starting to consider changes its laws to enable adoption of orphans from Ukraine, theoretically mostly about the break away republics. With the last couple days seeing Russian news reporting on agreements being prepared that would enable transfer of orphans from the DPR, LPR and Ukraine to Russian families.

So this isn't random bullshitting, its a thing that is happening. You can question the scale, the intent, and maybe whether they'll be ultimately adopted or just fostered as that part isn't clear from Russian sources yet. But that orphans and likely "orphans" from Ukraine are being moved to Russia with the intent of them being put into the likely long term care of families there is real.


Yet Russia's interested enough in being a social worker that Putin was holding meetings a month ago about changing the law to enable the adoption of non-Russian citizens. They're interested enough in being social workers that they're arranging for orphans in areas they control to be moved to, and raised in Russia. But not apparently not interested enough to see to it that its done without possibly violating existing international law, or done in a way that results in Ukrainian kids being taken care of in Ukraine. Which is why Ukraine's screaming bloody murder and people aren't entirely ignoring them.

This goes hand in hand with what I said about their impending population collapse. They need youth to grow up Russian.

It seems to me like it might be a mutually beneficial arrangement for the orphans and for Russia.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

We can't really know seeing as it's not like Russia's coordinating with Ukraine on this. As you can see from the orders of magnitude in difference in the numbers that Russian media is talking about and the Ukraine spokesman is claiming.

Since there's no way to verify or refute these claims then let's not speculate, since there's no basis for doing so.