Community Trendy Pregnancy / Snowflake Mommas and Their Batshit Birthing Practices - Because hospital birth is sooo last season

[swiggety_swoogitty]

My girlfriend told me a story where she noticed her doctor had left his computer open in the room and she noticed he had googled basic info about the uterus while talking to her. It certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

Lol I’m imagining; “what and where is uterus”

 

[Trombonista]

"how we fit six boys in one bedroom" video

I'm going to assume it didn't involve a futon?

 

[UnicornPiss2.0]

Imma PL a bit, but the only reason I want to labor and give birth with no/minimal meds this time around is because my recovery was so much more easier and quicker vs a recovery with epi/heavy duty meds.

Other than that, I fucking hate the superiority women hold over each other about how they gave birth. It’s so stupid.

 

[Dionysus]

The best birth is a healthy birth, but for those who were curious; recovery is generally faster from a vaginal birth than a C-section.

C-sections are major surgeries that do involve cutting open muscle and organ (the uterus), and the recovery time is like that from any other surgery, it isn't recommended you get up and be active for a while while it heals, which generally takes two or so months (I believe six weeks is the average, but this is going to vary based on your body) and anything that involves your abdominal muscles can irritate it, but just as importantly anything that involves your abdominal muscles is going to hurt, this includes any kind of movement, but especially sitting up, standing up, sneezing, coughing, laughing, if you've never had surgery it's difficult to explain, but you very quickly learn just how often certain parts of your body are working together you never knew were involved with other parts.

While tearing happens during childbirth, or more often the doctor will cut it, it's in a part of the body that, not to sound crude, has evolved to recover after childbirth, and which many of your movement muscles aren't relying on, I'm not saying it doesn't suck, I am absolutely sure it does, but women are often able to sit up, laugh, stand, walk around, and similar after a vaginal birth.

Many c-sections are also done during emergencies, which means they can be harder to recover from because the doctor isn't taking his time to be gentle and make a pretty incision, he's cutting you open ASAP to make sure you and baby live, the rough handling can mean the incision isn't as 'clean' as it is during a more planned out surgery, so the recovery can be rougher. I imagine the recovery from planned C-sections are also less harsh to recover from.

I'm of the opinion that whatever ends in mom and baby alive and healthy is the ideal birth. So all of this is just because some people seemed curious.

I'll also say that, I'm a man, so none of this is firsthand experience with childbirth, just firsthand experience with mothers post-birth.

 

[FarmerKhourtney]

A slight PL, but it irks me when people say c sections are the “easy way out” because the first time you roll over or try to sit up after the c section, it feels like your guts are all sliding out of you, it’s horrific and people most of the time act like c sections are no big deal and since you’ve gotten a baby out of it, you should just shut up and deal
It also can come as a huge shock to your body and mind after going to the hospital thinking you’ll just push a baby out the vag and go home in two days

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Shamelessly stolen from r/shitmomgroupssay.

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So is this all about the same woman, including the Facebook posts? What a horror show. I wonder if she's just in denial. Surely she must have known a purple baby with a cord wrapped around it is not a good thing?

Ewww.....

If the husband had an STD he just came all over the baby in the process of being born so the baby might be infected too.

Imagine if real medical professionals dealt with pain this way.

I love that they treat a purple newborn with a cord wrapped around it in multiples as no big deal.

What a surprise.

This woman is too stupid to breed. She really cannot see a connection between her freebirth and the baby's neurological damage. It should have been obvious with him being purple and tangled and all.

they had even worse practices like twilight sleep in the early 20th century, they would give moms I believe ketamine to sort of knock the woman out so she wouldn't suffer in the pain of childbirth.

I believe Twilight Sleep used ether, chloroform and a combination of morphine and scopolamine. Not all at the same time lol. Ketamine wasn't invented until the 1960s.

 

[Wuornos]

That was a great OP, it has everything needed for it to be put in Community Watch (which is where it belongs in my opinion, maybe Beauty Parlor would be an option, but I think CW just suits it better).

Speaking of the subjects covered in this thread, it is woefully apparent that these momcows don't give a shit about their babies. It's all about the moms. Regarding your question where the fathers are in this: They sure as hell don't get a say in this.

At no point in childbirth is the father's life at stake, nor is he going through the excruciating pain nor will he be left with potentially life long health issues. Only the mother experiences the aforementioned.

He ejaculated. That was literally it.

That's why he doesn't get a say.

Men know fuck all about giving birth. You played no significant role in childcare for thousands of years, but now you're effeminate and weak you suddenly think you're more qualified on the subject than mothers..

 

[joebobmurphy]

I am privy to the world of birth, obstetricians, and doulas in my field. While it was nice of you to acknowledge unnecessary c-sections, which are extremely rampant in the US(a number of which are conducted because the OB literally can't be bothered to wait), you fail to acknowledge other factors that mothers are subjected to such as verbal abuse, physical abuse, sexual assault(I know of several instances where OBs have, without consent or necessity shoved their fists into mothers to retrieve the placenta), and just plain bad practice. Hell, I even know of one story where an OB literally pulled a baby's head off. Why he was pulling, which is something even I know you are not supposed to do, is known only to God. Around 25% of US mothers that give birth in hospitals leave with some form of trauma. Also, I am privy to a large number or nurses who experience secondary trauma from having to watch OBs treat mothers in ways that would get you arrested if you did it to a dog. That's why homebirth and doulas are getting more popular, because the alternative is some asshole pressuring you into a c-section and assaulting you if you have the nerve to say no(yes, that happens). As far as medial qualifications go, I should point out that you only become an OB if you managed to get your med license but otherwise are too retarded to specialize anywhere else. OBs are bottom-barrel, even worse than GRS doctors, and are assholes even by doctor standards.

I don't expect to convince you of anything, but I will add that your bit about drowning babies in water birth is pure horseshit. The umbilical cord takes care of the oxygen needs during birth. Don't believe me? Then pray tell, how does the baby breathe when still lodged in the birth canal? And yes, epidurals are bad because when you are paralyzed from the waist down, you can't move about. When you can't move about you tend to "fail to progress", and then, golly gee, we need to do a c-section. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

At no point in childbirth is the father's life at stake, nor is he going through the excruciating pain nor will he be left with potentially life long health issues. Only the mother experiences the aforementioned.

He ejaculated. That was literally it.

That's why he doesn't get a say.

Men know fuck all about giving birth. You played no significant role in childcare for thousands of years, but now you're effeminate and weak you suddenly think you're more qualified on the subject than mothers..

You aren't wrong, but if the mom is a crunchy fuck who wants to give birth with sharks and thinks a purple baby is NBD, I'd much rather the dad who wants the baby to be born safely be listened to.

Anything other than a fully natural pregnancy is degenerate, I say that as a C-section baby

I think orgasmic birth is much more degenerate even though it's "natural childbirth". Giving birth to a water headed idiot like Luna when it was avoidable is also degenerate.

I can’t believe people telling that one redditor to keep taking her fucked up kid to the chiropractor even though it already had neuro issues
That being said, I worked in a chiro office for a couple years. I never had any experience with it before that. The crazies are a dime a dozen and the doctors are just as bad
The woman I worked with brought her baby in to be “adjusted” at three days old. Literally on her way home from the hospital, after a c section
The babies would scream and scream I hated it

Crazy how they're even called doctors and people use them like a GP. Chiropractic spinal manipulation is proven to cause a brain stem stroke which is very rare otherwise. People have literally died from this. It's worrisome the reddit woman with the retarded baby was taking him to chiro as his only form of care for months when it could cause more damage.

I had never heard about this phenomenon myself until a few years ago, when I heard it mentioned on an episode of Alan Alda’s Scientific American Frontiers. I questioned his accuracy, but I quickly found confirmation in the medical literature.

A typical case was that of 24 year old Kristi Bedenbaugh who saw her chiropractor for sinus headaches. During a neck manipulation she suffered a brain stem stroke and she died three days later. Autopsy revealed that the manipulation had split the inside walls of both of her vertebral arteries, causing the walls to balloon and block the blood supply to the lower part of her brain. Additional studies concluded that blood clots had formed on the days the manipulation took place. The chiropractor later paid a $1000 fine.

The two vertebral arteries run straight up the back of the neck passing through holes in the sides of each neck vertebra. When the head turns, the “tethered” artery is drastically kinked:

Because of this kinking, it is particularly susceptible to injury. Even a simple thing like extending the neck back over the basin for hair washing at the beauty salon has been known to cause a stroke. The artery is elastic, but with hardening of the arteries, with cholesterol plaques, with trauma (like automobile accidents) or simply with rapid stretching, the delicate lining of the artery can tear. It is easy to imagine how a rapid, forceful thrust by a chiropractor could cause damage.

Sometimes the damage is immediate and the patient collapses on the chiropractor’s table. Sometimes mild symptoms start immediately and progress after the patient leaves the chiropractor’s office. Sometimes the tear is a small one and it clots over; then days later the clot breaks loose, travels to the brain and causes a delayed stroke. By this time, the patient may not connect his sudden collapse to the previous visit to the chiropractor.

Chiropractors are well aware of the risk. They discuss it in their journals and online forums. They have tried to find ways to screen patients for high risk, but there is no reliable way to do so. Strokes are a major reason for chiropractic malpractice insurance payouts – 9% of claims paid by the major chiropractic insurer in 2002, the only year for which I was able to find statistics. Some chiropractors are now asking patients to sign an informed consent form before manipulations. If asked, most chiropractors downplay the risk, saying it occurs in less than one in a million manipulations. Many (perhaps most) chiropractors do not mention the risk at all.

Most alarming: some chiropractors perform these neck adjustments with no warning and without permission. I met a woman who still walks with a limp and has other residual impairments from a chiropractic stroke. She went to her chiropractor for a shoulder problem and thought he was going to massage her shoulder muscles. She did not want him to manipulate her neck, did not give him permission, and didn’t realize what he was doing until he suddenly twisted her neck. She collapsed on the table and nearly died.

How often can a stroke be attributed to neck manipulation? We really don’t know. Estimates have varied from one in ten million manipulations to one in 40,000. I should clarify that only one specific type of stroke, basilar stroke, has been linked to chiropractic. It has been estimated that about 20% of all basilar strokes are due to spinal manipulations. This would work out to about 1300 a year in the U.S. But we just don’t know, because it has not been properly studied. Carotid artery strokes have also been reported after chiropractic treatments. Chiropractors do not follow up on every patient. Patients who have delayed strokes may never see their chiropractor again, so chiropractors would naturally tend to underestimate the risk. Many of these diagnoses are missed because the vertebral arteries are not typically examined on autopsy.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-and-stroke/

https://archive.ph/wip/VWLrk

That’s one thing that majorly bothers me in Robyn’s thread. She’s always taking Luna to get “adjusted” like they’re gonna twist her into a new, functioning toddler. I’m not super educated on chiropractics and lowkey I think it’s a scam, at least on some level, but I cannot think of a single reason why a newborn would need a chiro.

There's not much to be educated on. It's based on pre-scientific ideas of a vital energy like chi in TCM that can be manipulated by popping the spine. Complete bullshit. Their only useful parts come from watered down PT and massage techniques they learn.

 

[Troonos]

At no point in childbirth is the father's life at stake, nor is he going through the excruciating pain nor will he be left with potentially life long health issues. Only the mother experiences the aforementioned.

He ejaculated. That was literally it.

That's why he doesn't get a say.

Men know fuck all about giving birth. You played no significant role in childcare for thousands of years, but now you're effeminate and weak you suddenly think you're more qualified on the subject than mothers..

You're a gigantic retard. We also no longer send children off on their own to start a family at age 12. We no longer mate with as many unpartnered females as possible to spread our genetics. We're predominantly monogamous (except in mental illness) now. Early man didn't work himself to death for 18 years to provide for a woman and a child, which is bodily sacrifice at least equal to pregnancy and childbirth. Times change.

 

[Valkorion]

At no point in childbirth is the father's life at stake, nor is he going through the excruciating pain nor will he be left with potentially life long health issues. Only the mother experiences the aforementioned.

He ejaculated. That was literally it.

That's why he doesn't get a say.

Men know fuck all about giving birth. You played no significant role in childcare for thousands of years, but now you're effeminate and weak you suddenly think you're more qualified on the subject than mothers..

If me and my girlfriend ever concieve a child, I'm not going to let her put the child's or her own life in danger by giving birth in one of the retarded ways described here, and no father should. This has nothing to do with being effeminate or weak, you fucking nigger.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

. Hell, I even know of one story where an OB literally pulled a baby's head off. Why he was pulling, which is something even I know you are not supposed to do, is known only to God.

I think I know the story you are talking about, I believe it was in India? Baby’s head was out of the birth canal, uterus ruptured, doctored pulled as uterus tried to suck the baby back leading to the baby being decapitated. Probably one of the worst birth stories I’d ever heard of-and a big reason women should not try VBAC. Not sure if this mom in particular had one big rupture is a huge risk of VBAC.

 

[double second]

I love that they treat a purple newborn with a cord wrapped around it in multiples as no big deal.

What a surprise.

This woman is too stupid to breed. She really cannot see a connection between her freebirth and the baby's neurological damage. It should have been obvious with him being purple and tangled and all.

“Was there birth trauma?” “No it was a peaceful birth in my backyard “ GIRL that is not what the PT asked! Birth trauma is an injury at birth or other physical issues with the baby during the birth, perhaps like the cord being wrapped around his neck and cutting off his oxygen supply. They’re not asking if the baby sustained some kind of emotional trauma during the birth. “Trauma during or shortly after birth” means they think he has cerebral palsy, dumbass.

Disabled kids can do amazing things and become very capable people when they’re given the medical care and social support they need. I like to think this kid has a shot since PT is involved (even crunchy Feldenkrais PT is better than nothing), but with parents this fucking stupid I have concerns.

 

[Bees]

I think I know the story you are talking about, I believe it was in India? Baby’s head was out of the birth canal, uterus ruptured, doctored pulled as uterus tried to suck the baby back leading to the baby being decapitated. Probably one of the worst birth stories I’d ever heard of-and a big reason women should not try VBAC. Not sure if this mom in particular had one big rupture is a huge risk of VBAC.

I remember a Kaiser doctor pulled a head off with forceps a few years back in California. I googled “birth decapitation” just now to find the story and whoopsie it happens more often then you’d like to know >.<

 

[sjc8000]

I don't expect to convince you of anything, but I will add that your bit about drowning babies in water birth is pure horseshit. The umbilical cord takes care of the oxygen needs during birth. Don't believe me? Then pray tell, how does the baby breathe when still lodged in the birth canal?

While the baby will still be receiving oxygen through the umbilical cord, if the baby is not brought up from the water fairly promptly after delivery, there is a risk of the baby inhaling water. There are number of cues after delivery that stimulate breathing, including the change in pressure on the chest from the birth canal to the outside world. Not to mention baby’s do take “breaths” inside the womb, so even if none of the other cues to start breathing occur, they baby make still be making breathing motions and inhale water.

Certainly not very common, and far less of a risk with a skilled birth attendant who knows to bring the baby up promptly.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

I remember a Kaiser doctor pulled a head off with forceps a few years back in California. I googled “birth decapitation” just now to find the story and whoopsie it happens more often then you’d like to know >.<

I just googled it now…Jfc. Each story was somehow worse than the other. Some doctor apparently shoved a baby’s head back in and did a C-section to “hide” what happened and another one’s head fell on the ground.

I’m going to go look at cat pictures for a minute.

 

[DoorPost101]

I even know of one story where an OB literally pulled a baby's head off. Why he was pulling, which is something even I know you are not supposed to do, is known only to God.

I was so horrified by this I attempted to google this story, and holy shit there are at least two stories that pop up. Granted, it's the Daily Mail and what looks like Daily Mail clones, but the fact that there are multiple stories like this is just......horrifying doesn't even begin to cover it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216497/Doctors-decapitated-baby-birth-tried-hide-parents-dead-infant-delivered-C-section.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-45652019

I can see where this sort of thing would terrify young mothers and they'd want to stay out of the hospital, but whose to say the father - who has even LESS medical training than Dr Decapitation up there - wouldn't do the same thing? Is a baby's head/neck REALLY that easy to tear off?

 

[joebobmurphy]

I think I know the story you are talking about, I believe it was in India? Baby’s head was out of the birth canal, uterus ruptured, doctored pulled as uterus tried to suck the baby back leading to the baby being decapitated. Probably one of the worst birth stories I’d ever heard of-and a big reason women should not try VBAC. Not sure if this mom in particular had one big rupture is a huge risk of VBAC.

Not likely, as it was told to me by a nurse in America. I appreciate your reply rather than simply giving me a puzzle piece. I will therefore not argue about VBACs even though I am involved in pro-VBAC advocacy.

“Was there birth trauma?” “No it was a peaceful birth in my backyard “ GIRL that is not what the PT asked! Birth trauma is an injury at birth or other physical issues with the baby during the birth, perhaps like the cord being wrapped around his neck and cutting off his oxygen supply.

Half true, the term birth trauma also relates to injuries and mental trauma suffered by the mother. Please believe me when I say I am not trying to start an argument with you, but you have unwittingly illustrated a point that comes up again and again in my field. That when it comes to birth, people largely only care about the baby and don't give a second thought about the mother. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the words, "You're depressed? Why? You gave birth to a healthy baby."

I can see where this sort of thing would terrify young mothers and they'd want to stay out of the hospital, but whose to say the father - who has even LESS medical training than Dr Decapitation up there - wouldn't do the same thing? Is a baby's head/neck REALLY that easy to tear off?

Usually it isn't the daddy doing it. When someone has a home birth, they generally get a doula or midwife. Just in case you didn't know, doulas DO need licenses to practice. And no, a baby's head is not that easy to tear off, which is why it raises questions on the competence of OBs. As a general rule, you are not supposed to pull. If you see a birth where someone is holding to head, they aren't pulling, they are just keeping their hands ready as the baby can shoot out surprisingly fast at the end.

 

[NoodleFucker3000]

Everything about this thread has made me 100% confident in getting my uterus removed.

 

[CaseyTatumm]

Half true, the term birth trauma also relates to injuries and mental trauma suffered by the mother. Please believe me when I say I am not trying to start an argument with you, but you have unwittingly illustrated a point that comes up again and again in my field. That when it comes to birth, people largely only care about the baby and don't give a second thought about the mother. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the words, "You're depressed? Why? You gave birth to a healthy baby."



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There really needs to be a lot more awareness about birth trauma in mothers. I feel like because birth is a common thing people tend to forget it’s a major ordeal that can literally kill you. So much happens and can go wrong. Like you said people tend to care more about the baby and say stupid crap like “well your baby is healthy “ if mom expresses anything about not feeling ok mentally or emotionally.