Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

@Kramer on the phone Good points, but I suggest putting long posts in a spoiler.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

The thing that is annoying is how obvious it all is. This is what people who call fans toxic, racist, misogynist and so forth don't seem to get. We can immediately see the thinking behind the scenes with woke writing. It's boring and lame because it's predictable. It's always going through the same motions. The woke mindset always makes the same choices and comes to the same conclusions.

Yet the morons just claim people don't like it because of diverse and female characters. Even though the people annoyed by it can enjoy those types of characters when it's not written with the woke mindset, which we can instantly recognise by it not making the same woke choices in the writing.

March 10th after watching the trailer.

exactly, thats a big reason why people can use examples pre-woke and see good characters compared to modern crap, you knew the second it was a black "villian" what the entire arc was.

its like Save the Cat, once you learn it you see how by the book films are, can even time your bathroom breaks. it also hurts the actors themselves. just by nature of storytelling the Villian is going to be one of the better roles, Tybalt is more notable than the main characters in romeo&Juliet, the empire has more fans than the rebels seemingly. Darth Vader was people's favorite character tied with Han even before the family reveal. In fact its harder to come up with actors who haven't played villains and achieved success, it used to be just Tom Hanks. Even better is that it used to be a known way to help expand an actor's fame because once you play a great villian suddenly casting people understand how great you are as an actor and it takes you from small roles to starring ones. Especially with black actors you can see the few well liked ones were usually the ones who played an amazing villian, for fucks sake Denzel won an Oscar for Training day. Morgan Freeman was struggling until playing the meanest pimp in Harlem in Street Smart. Nino Brown is barely in New Jack City but its considered his movie despite most of the screentime being taken by Ice-T and Chris Rock's characters. even Will Smith, he didn't start getting movie roles until playing a black conman in six degrees of separation, without that he'd still be playing Martin Lawrence's sidekick. So these cliche roles fuck them harder than anyone else, no one takes them seriously because everyone knows how routine the roles are. its a fuckload harder trying to get famous the tom hanks way when anthony hopkins way is much easier and funner.

I’m not reading that essay Meigh.

the more i post the easier it is to forget how fucking terrible my life is.

@Kramer on the phone Good points, but I suggest putting long posts in a spoiler.

i didn't realize how long it was,

 

[King Dead]

Watching the complete saga in order is kind of weird because it technically works from 1-6 but to me it's more satisfying to watch the PT after the OT, then watching them in order. It makes it more impactful after knowing what happens then seeing the ending to ROTJ tie it all up perfectly. Also the transition from the ending of ROTS to ANH is perfect too.

I remember reading something long ago, I think in an old issue of Wired, where the question was posed as to what was the best watch order for the Star Wars movies, especially in the context of introducing it to someone who'd never seen them, like a kid. The answer given was to watch 4 and 5, then the prequels, and then wrap it up with 6. That way, you'd start off with the classic adventure, get the revelation of who Darth Vader actually is without being spoiled on it, then take a detour to find out about Anakin's fall from grace and the birth of the Empire, before returning to the OT for the triumphant finale.

I've always viewed prequels as being the same as sequels: they just work better when you watch the original work first. Doesn't matter that a prequel comes first chronologically, it relies on your knowledge of the existing material to get the full experience. That said, I think the watch order above makes sense; by the time you've seen Empire, you know the major characters who drive the plot of the prequels, and at that point a newbie shouldn't have trouble following along, so long as you make it clear to them that they're prequels.

Or you could go the based route and just show them the Jedi Party saga.

 

[DumDum Did Nothing Wrong]

Forgot this thread existed so it makes more sense to post about Joeseph Gatt here than in the Weeb Wars thread. But for those unaware voice actor Joeseph Gatt who voiced Lord Scourge and others in Bioware's Star Wars: The Old Republic mmo was arrested earlier this month for allegedly hitting up a minor by the LAPD. Detectives are trying to get more victims to come forward. He's currently out on bond and denying any wrong doing. He also played Thenn in the Game of Thrones show and the Albino in Banshee on Cinemax.

https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/detectives-attempt-to-identify-additional-victims-nr22098rc/

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Forgot this thread existed so it makes more sense to post about Joeseph Gatt here than in the Weeb Wars thread. But for those unaware voice actor Joeseph Gatt who voiced Lord Scourge and others in Bioware's Star Wars: The Old Republic mmo was arrested earlier this month for allegedly hitting up a minor by the LAPD. Detectives are trying to get more victims to come forward. He's currently out on bond and denying any wrong doing. He also played Thenn in the Game of Thrones show and the Albino in Banshee on Cinemax.

https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/detectives-attempt-to-identify-additional-victims-nr22098rc/

I don't think this was the method acting Bioware expected when they wrote Lord Scourge getting all his emotions and hormones back...

 

[Polyboros2]

I remember reading something long ago, I think in an old issue of Wired, where the question was posed as to what was the best watch order for the Star Wars movies, especially in the context of introducing it to someone who'd never seen them, like a kid. The answer given was to watch 4 and 5, then the prequels, and then wrap it up with 6. That way, you'd start off with the classic adventure, get the revelation of who Darth Vader actually is without being spoiled on it, then take a detour to find out about Anakin's fall from grace and the birth of the Empire, before returning to the OT for the triumphant finale.

I've always viewed prequels as being the same as sequels: they just work better when you watch the original work first. Doesn't matter that a prequel comes first chronologically, it relies on your knowledge of the existing material to get the full experience. That said, I think the watch order above makes sense; by the time you've seen Empire, you know the major characters who drive the plot of the prequels, and at that point a newbie shouldn't have trouble following along, so long as you make it clear to them that they're prequels.

Or you could go the based route and just show them the Jedi Party saga.

I like the Machete order, which IIRC is what you said but cutting out TPM. 4-5-2-3-6.

 

[King Dead]

I like the Machete order, which IIRC is what you said but cutting out TPM. 4-5-2-3-6.

TPM is certainly the oddball of the lot, and you could argue either way whether you should include it or not. Personally, despite a lot of things changing between 1 and 2, I do think it's a good idea to include TPM anyway. The things it sets up, like Obi-Wan not being all that receptive to training Anakin or Palpatine's first moves towards consolidating power, are important to the overall story. They might not have been conveyed in the most effective way, but it's still worth seeing. And if you're showing it to a kid, they'll get a kick out of the podracing, the lightsaber fights, and Jar Jar.

Regardless of variances in opinion, at least we can all agree that there are no movies beyond 6.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Regardless of variances in opinion, at least we can all agree that there are no movies beyond 6.

^The only SW marathon rule that matters.

 

[Sneed F91]

I like the Machete order, which IIRC is what you said but cutting out TPM. 4-5-2-3-6.

TPM is certainly the oddball of the lot, and you could argue either way whether you should include it or not. Personally, despite a lot of things changing between 1 and 2, I do think it's a good idea to include TPM anyway. The things it sets up, like Obi-Wan not being all that receptive to training Anakin or Palpatine's first moves towards consolidating power, are important to the overall story. They might not have been conveyed in the most effective way, but it's still worth seeing. And if you're showing it to a kid, they'll get a kick out of the podracing, the lightsaber fights, and Jar Jar.

Regardless of variances in opinion, at least we can all agree that there are no movies beyond 6.

TPM is like a prologue to the main story. It's so far removed from the rest of the saga regarding the timeline but a lot of the information in it is important for every movie that comes afterwards. I think a big reason as to why people were so disappointed by it back then (apart from it not being the greatest film ever made like they thought it was going to be) is because of how different it all was in comparison to the OT. It's jarring and most people couldn't understand why it was necessary story wise until after AOTC and ROTS came out.

And unlike Disney's fanfilms, TPM has ACTUAL set ups for future movies, not boring, half assed mystery boxes you can interpret any way you want while hoping in vain the next movie explains what happened in the movie you just watched.

 

[Screamer]

At this point, it's more interesting making predictions how these shows are going to ruin the classic characters and see how it plays out.

I wonder how they'll further destroy Luke. Having him and biggs be gay little kids???

I remember reading something long ago, I think in an old issue of Wired, where the question was posed as to what was the best watch order for the Star Wars movies, especially in the context of introducing it to someone who'd never seen them, like a kid. The answer given was to watch 4 and 5, then the prequels, and then wrap it up with 6. That way, you'd start off with the classic adventure, get the revelation of who Darth Vader actually is without being spoiled on it, then take a detour to find out about Anakin's fall from grace and the birth of the Empire, before returning to the OT for the triumphant finale.

I know someone who is about to expose his kid to the OT for the first time. I'll report if there's anything interesting. They've done shows like rebels. Just finished watching the clone wars. So now on to the originals. The kid still doesn't know about Anakin and Vader.

 

[Ghostse]

TPM is certainly the oddball of the lot, and you could argue either way whether you should include it or not. Personally, despite a lot of things changing between 1 and 2, I do think it's a good idea to include TPM anyway. The things it sets up, like Obi-Wan not being all that receptive to training Anakin or Palpatine's first moves towards consolidating power, are important to the overall story. They might not have been conveyed in the most effective way, but it's still worth seeing. And if you're showing it to a kid, they'll get a kick out of the podracing, the lightsaber fights, and Jar Jar.

If I was watching the movies on a longer time frame, like "Every friday, star wars!" or even "Star Wars Week! Movie every night!" I'd include TPM. If I was doing a single-day marathon I'd drop it or do the "No Jar-Jar fan cut" : Not because I'm triggered by Jar-Jar anymore, but you can cut out the slowest hour of that movie by removing the scenes with Jar Jar, and we're already looking at 12 hours of Lucas' autism.

Regardless of variances in opinion, at least we can all agree that there are no movies beyond 6.

No truer words.

TPM is like a prologue to the main story. It's so far removed from the rest of the saga regarding the timeline but a lot of the information in it is important for every movie that comes afterwards. I think a big reason as to why people were so disappointed by it back then (apart from it not being the greatest film ever made like they thought it was going to be) is because of how different it all was in comparison to the OT. It's jarring and most people couldn't understand why it was necessary story wise until after AOTC and ROTS came out.

And unlike Disney's fanfilms, TPM has ACTUAL set ups for future movies, not boring, half assed mystery boxes you can interpret any way you want while hoping in vain the next movie explains what happened in the movie you just watched.

TPM should have been a TV miniseries. TPM's background dump needed room to breath it did not get. The movie was both too long and too short.

But you got it solid: While many mistakes were made, it actually set up themes and plot points the other movies delivered on, and had PLANS to deliver on, and not meaningless mystery boxes meant to be filled with whatever was convenient.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

I remember reading something long ago, I think in an old issue of Wired, where the question was posed as to what was the best watch order for the Star Wars movies, especially in the context of introducing it to someone who'd never seen them, like a kid. The answer given was to watch 4 and 5, then the prequels, and then wrap it up with 6. That way, you'd start off with the classic adventure, get the revelation of who Darth Vader actually is without being spoiled on it, then take a detour to find out about Anakin's fall from grace and the birth of the Empire, before returning to the OT for the triumphant finale.

I've always viewed prequels as being the same as sequels: they just work better when you watch the original work first. Doesn't matter that a prequel comes first chronologically, it relies on your knowledge of the existing material to get the full experience. That said, I think the watch order above makes sense; by the time you've seen Empire, you know the major characters who drive the plot of the prequels, and at that point a newbie shouldn't have trouble following along, so long as you make it clear to them that they're prequels.

Or you could go the based route and just show them the Jedi Party saga.

I think the best way to watch them is to do the whole OT, then PT. Sit on it for a while, then go from PT to OT. Somewhere in there add the cool stuff like the 2D Clone Wars.

Also, George should have sold SW to the guys behind Jedi Party.

 

[Akumaten]

Even when I was a teen hearing that "Jar Jar is a racist caricature" always sounded silly, even on the news saying it when TPM was playing. Jar Jar was dumb, but harmless. Ironically even if he was supposed to be "proto-black-coded" according to the nay-sayers, Jar Jar became a general fighting against the Droids, and later an ambassador. Equal to Lando in the OT who went form a smugler to owning Cloud City and becomming a famous general at the end of ROTJ. Finn ironically became the caricature they wanted to avoid: running away, and almost dying. So Disney played itself.

EDIT
Forgot about Mace Windu, Jedi Master and the only one close enough to kill Palpatine.

 

[Ghostse]

Even when I was a teen hearing that "Jar Jar is a racist caricature" always sounded silly, even on the news saying it when TPM was playing. Jar Jar was dumb, but harmless. Ironically even if he was supposed to be "proto-black-coded" according to the nay-sayers, Jar Jar became a general fighting against the Droids, and later an ambassador. Equal to Lando in the OT who went form a smugler to owning Cloud City and becomming a famous general at the end of ROTJ. Finn ironically became the caricature they wanted to avoid: running away, and almost dying. So Disney played itself.

You also forgot that he's the real Sith Lord who was manipulating Palps.

 

[Screamer]

And unlike Disney's fanfilms, TPM has ACTUAL set ups for future movies, not boring, half assed mystery boxes you can interpret any way you want while hoping in vain the next movie explains what happened in the movie you just watched.

I don't think I fully came to appreciate the function of TPM until after I saw the issues of the sequels. It's a shame George was locked into a trilogy because in an ideal world it should have been 4 prequels. TPM setting the background. Then three films of the main story.

Although saying that, the sequels created this problem for themselves. There's no way they actually needed a prequel because we had plenty of backdrop. They just decided to explain nothing.

 

[Sneed F91]

Even when I was a teen hearing that "Jar Jar is a racist caricature" always sounded silly, even on the news saying it when TPM was playing. Jar Jar was dumb, but harmless. Ironically even if he was supposed to be "proto-black-coded" according to the nay-sayers, Jar Jar became a general fighting against the Droids, and later an ambassador. Equal to Lando in the OT who went form a smugler to owning Cloud City and becomming a famous general at the end of ROTJ. Finn ironically became the caricature they wanted to avoid: running away, and almost dying. So Disney played itself.

According to the media:
Jar Jar = racist caricature of black people (lol wut)
Mace Windu = only put in the movie so black people would watch it (what?)
Watto = ugly jewish caricature (what does it say about the type of people who look at Watto and immediately think he's a jew)

According to Disney:
Mace Windu = Not ruined yet
Lando = Pansexual Space Pimp
Finn = Shucking and jiving coon who can't stop lying and simps after a white woman he barely knows that doesn't care about him
It's even worse because Finn isn't an alien. He's a human being.

 

[Ghostse]

Finn = Shucking and jiving coon who can't stop lying and simps after a white woman he barely knows that doesn't care about him

The unrealistic part there is Movie Rey has no ass, and I have never known a brother who will dog a girl without junk in the trunk.

Now, Park Rey on the other hand....

 

[Midwit]

Picard S1 ruined Picard, Data, Riker, Troi, and 7 of 9. S2 ruined Guinan and fucking Q of all people. S3 is literally bringing everyone back (except Wil Wheaton lol get fucked faggot) to ruin them too.

Damn it feels good to be a DS9 fan, Avery Brooks is far too insane to agree to these shitshows so Sisko's never gonna be ruined like this.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

Damn it feels good to be a DS9 fan, Avery Brooks is far too insane to agree to these shitshows so Sisko's never gonna be ruined like this.

They could always just re-cast or make something about his son and ruin him that way. Never underestimate them lol The DS9 documentary tried to do some damage in it's own way with the race/gender shit they forced into it.

 

[Cactuar King]

Damn it feels good to be a DS9 fan, Avery Brooks is far too insane to agree to these shitshows so Sisko's never gonna be ruined like this.

What's up with Avery Brooks?