General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

@batteredpancakes
We ask researchers who study transgender communities to consider the following questions. Who is the research for: the researchers or the study population?
She/he/it knows shit about research. Idpol was a mistake and should be kept out of academia. Idpol retards are just like this but unironically:
We declare no competing interests.
:story:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Elysian
Thé vast majority of trans crimes are hoaxes or vastly exaggerated, anti-trans and homophobes are far more antisocial and still commit more crimes than any trans person does.
There's a strong pressure in mainstream media to suppress reports of trans crimes.

Like for example, with the Wi Spa incident, you had highly respected, mainstream media outlets outright calling it a hoax. Then, of course, when it was confirmed accurate, there was no response from them, no correction. They just went silent.

By the data, trans people commit sex crimes much more often than cis people. So for example, 48% of federal inmates who identify as trans are sex offenders. This is much higher than the 4.7% baseline number for the total population.
The idea of Trans people literally just coming to existence in the 20th century is ludicrous, societies knowledge of its existence would have have been made more mainstream then certainly, due to the sexual revolution of the 60s and societies slow but steady lean towards tolerance towards LGBT people by the end of the 1900’s. But it doesn’t mean that there were no trans people in history before 1900 and gender dysphoria existed as a condition from then on.

No, mental illnesses and mindsets have existed all throughout history, our acknowledgment of their existence emerges only when science progresses and cultural forces dictate our perceptions of what ideology are acceptable and accessible through the changing social standards of each period in history. Our accepting or ignorance of a condition has no bearing in its existence. Just because something hasn’t been proven to yet exist doesn’t mean it doesn’t, there are untold millions of things humans haven’t discovered about the world yet Just we don’t know of their existence doesn’t mean they don’t exist. It is just simply currently out of our grasp. Just like transpeople.

Just because we didn’t know or understand what they were didn’t mean they hadn’t existed up until when we discovered them. Same for any illness or scientific discovery throughout history, use your brain please and thing about how long modern society has been around for , this is a far more deep and long running social phenomenon than you may have previously thought to be.
No, again, transgenderism is a modern concept. It's an ideological belief.

It's like saying that schizos who believe they're Napoleon is an ancient phenomena, and we just didn't notice until Napoleon Bonaparte came along.

It's important to distinguish what transgenderism actually is. Transgenderism isn't gender non-conformity. A woman wearing men's clothes isn't trans. It's not just crossdressing or homosexuality. It's a more profound belief, and that belief is a modern invention, not some kind of psychological symptom like nervous tics.

It's specifically an ideological belief that man/woman refer to a nebulous gender identity and this gender identity is factually true, not a spiritual concept or anything of that nature.

Past cultures had people who didn't fit into social gender roles, but they never had this kind of literalism where they are factually the other sex in some sense. That kind of literalism is a modern concept, in the same way that the Scientology concept of a thetan is a modern concept. We also haven't always had Scientology.

If you want to talk about gender dysphoria, that might've had a longer history that's worth discussing, but that's not the same thing as transgenderism. (Although to be honest, gender dysphoria also seems to be a culture bound phenomenon, in the same way that modern western culture exacerbates female insecurity and thus we have a much higher rate of psychological issues like anorexia and bulemia than they did in, say, the 1800's.)
 
By the data, trans people commit sex crimes much more often than cis people. So for example, 48% of federal inmates who identify as trans are sex offenders. This is much higher than the 4.7% baseline number for the total population.
This isn't necessarily a correlation/causation thing. As much as TRAs seem to be overtly encouraging predatory behavior, I think a large part of the inmates who troon out do so after getting caught because of the advantages to be gained.
 
This isn't necessarily a correlation/causation thing. As much as TRAs seem to be overtly encouraging predatory behavior, I think a large part of the inmates who troon out do so after getting caught because of the advantages to be gained.
Agreed, although I would point out that that is the definition of a "real tranny" in quite a few places. With self id, all those trannies doing it for the advantages are just as legitimate as the ones with psychological diagnoses.
 
Agreed, although I would point out that that is the definition of a "real tranny" in quite a few places. With self id, all those trannies doing it for the advantages are just as legitimate as the ones with psychological diagnoses.
That's why they need to bring back that distinction, unless they want to suffer the consequences. It's no real skin off my teeth, they're the ones who get to lose all the progress they've made by foolishly tolerating scum using wokeness as a weapon. And this applies to a lot of troons outside of prison, too.
 
GIANT POWERLEVEL (BUT WHERE ELSE IF NOT HERE?)
Am FtM and suffer from severe gender dysphoria. Been on hormones for a while, and I'm pretty stoked with the effects. Getting a double mastectomy in a few years, absolutely no bottom surgery. I've seen so many botched results and even the "good" ones look like shit. Still don't pass in public, but I've lived with that my whole life, so it's kinda moot at this point. I only date other trans because honestly never met a real cis gay man or cis straight woman that would date me, which is fine. I'm engaged anyway, so it's not like I need to date anymore.

I don't use the men's room, I've been threatened with violence before so it's not worth it. Plus I look more like a butch lesbian anyway, so women don't bat an eye. That or single stall bathrooms.

Definitely agree that troonism and autism come hand in hand, as I'm an example.

The community is fucking batshit, so I get why we're so fucking hated. I tolerate 99% of "our" community at best. Stick to my own little circle of people.

Hopefully someday the trans community calms the fuck down. Probably not, but here's hoping.
 
GIANT POWERLEVEL (BUT WHERE ELSE IF NOT HERE?)
Am FtM and suffer from severe gender dysphoria. Been on hormones for a while, and I'm pretty stoked with the effects. Getting a double mastectomy in a few years, absolutely no bottom surgery. I've seen so many botched results and even the "good" ones look like shit. Still don't pass in public, but I've lived with that my whole life, so it's kinda moot at this point. I only date other trans because honestly never met a real cis gay man or cis straight woman that would date me, which is fine. I'm engaged anyway, so it's not like I need to date anymore.

I don't use the men's room, I've been threatened with violence before so it's not worth it. Plus I look more like a butch lesbian anyway, so women don't bat an eye. That or single stall bathrooms.

Definitely agree that troonism and autism come hand in hand, as I'm an example.

The community is fucking batshit, so I get why we're so fucking hated. I tolerate 99% of "our" community at best. Stick to my own little circle of people.

Hopefully someday the trans community calms the fuck down. Probably not, but here's hoping.
Well hopefully you go slowly, tread carefully and keep your health in mind.

Consider the nonsense that Buck Angel experienced.
 
GIANT POWERLEVEL (BUT WHERE ELSE IF NOT HERE?)
Am FtM and suffer from severe gender dysphoria. Been on hormones for a while, and I'm pretty stoked with the effects. Getting a double mastectomy in a few years, absolutely no bottom surgery. I've seen so many botched results and even the "good" ones look like shit. Still don't pass in public, but I've lived with that my whole life, so it's kinda moot at this point. I only date other trans because honestly never met a real cis gay man or cis straight woman that would date me, which is fine. I'm engaged anyway, so it's not like I need to date anymore.

I don't use the men's room, I've been threatened with violence before so it's not worth it. Plus I look more like a butch lesbian anyway, so women don't bat an eye. That or single stall bathrooms.

Definitely agree that troonism and autism come hand in hand, as I'm an example.

The community is fucking batshit, so I get why we're so fucking hated. I tolerate 99% of "our" community at best. Stick to my own little circle of people.

Hopefully someday the trans community calms the fuck down. Probably not, but here's hoping.

What I'm about to say, I say with no malice, I'm just simply stating facts.

You are mentally ill. Chopping your tits off and injecting hormones that don't naturally occur in your body will not help you, they're a band-aid on a bullet hole, at best. You need a proper cocktail of antidepressants and antipsychotics, and maybe a few more pills tossed in for good measure (everyone requires different meds at different doses.) I hope you don't go through with the mastectomy, at some point down the line, be it years or decades, you'll look in the mirror and regret it. You already realize trans people are delusional and mentally ill, you just gotta break out of that " but I'M one of the good ones!" mindset. Good luck to you ❤
 
GIANT POWERLEVEL (BUT WHERE ELSE IF NOT HERE?)
Am FtM and suffer from severe gender dysphoria. Been on hormones for a while, and I'm pretty stoked with the effects. Getting a double mastectomy in a few years, absolutely no bottom surgery. I've seen so many botched results and even the "good" ones look like shit. Still don't pass in public, but I've lived with that my whole life, so it's kinda moot at this point. I only date other trans because honestly never met a real cis gay man or cis straight woman that would date me, which is fine. I'm engaged anyway, so it's not like I need to date anymore.

I don't use the men's room, I've been threatened with violence before so it's not worth it. Plus I look more like a butch lesbian anyway, so women don't bat an eye. That or single stall bathrooms.

Definitely agree that troonism and autism come hand in hand, as I'm an example.

The community is fucking batshit, so I get why we're so fucking hated. I tolerate 99% of "our" community at best. Stick to my own little circle of people.

Hopefully someday the trans community calms the fuck down. Probably not, but here's hoping.

At least you know better than to pursue "bottom surgery." If you're under 25, at least wait that long to go for the ice-cream scooper. If I were going to grant the premise of gender dysphoria as a legitimate concept, I would advise women to wait until well into their adulthood before chopping their tits off. A lot of young women who do this in their teens or early 20s right now end up regretting it.
 
GIANT POWERLEVEL (BUT WHERE ELSE IF NOT HERE?)
Am FtM and suffer from severe gender dysphoria. Been on hormones for a while, and I'm pretty stoked with the effects. Getting a double mastectomy in a few years, absolutely no bottom surgery. I've seen so many botched results and even the "good" ones look like shit. Still don't pass in public, but I've lived with that my whole life, so it's kinda moot at this point. I only date other trans because honestly never met a real cis gay man or cis straight woman that would date me, which is fine. I'm engaged anyway, so it's not like I need to date anymore.

I don't use the men's room, I've been threatened with violence before so it's not worth it. Plus I look more like a butch lesbian anyway, so women don't bat an eye. That or single stall bathrooms.

Definitely agree that troonism and autism come hand in hand, as I'm an example.

The community is fucking batshit, so I get why we're so fucking hated. I tolerate 99% of "our" community at best. Stick to my own little circle of people.

Hopefully someday the trans community calms the fuck down. Probably not, but here's hoping.
Do other people like the effects? I say this because every FTM I've known personally starts acting like an asshole. Sometimes it's the T sometimes it's just that they think they're supposed to because, like MTFs, they have a very shallow understanding of the opposite sex.

As for mastectomies, large racks are common in the lesbian communities and a couple of my friends who are old school lesbians had breast reduction surgery to improve back pain. I don't know how we got from "my breasts make me uncomfortable, can we improve that?" to "the discomfort is coming from my gender identity, lop 'em off!"

You're crazy and what you're doing is crazy. In the public's efforts to reduce stigmatization of mental illness somehow we've turned our backs on actually helping people with mental illness. I feel bad for you and coming here, I think you know something is wrong. I hope you don't go through with your surgery.

Edit: What I actually came here to say was that the weird tranny I keep on my FB from my home town has announced that the people who are writing the "anti-trans bills" are also the ones writing all the anti-abortion legislation. He then laughs about them thinking "we're the same." I don't get it, did he just get a euphoria boner or is he admitting that he's not a real woman?
 
I don't use the men's room, I've been threatened
so you dont pass, you have no desire to pass, yet you choose to ID as a man making your life infinitely harder instead of just being comfortable as a butch and having your he/him bullshit confined to your private sex life?

I only date other trans
so you live in a hugbox of only other trans, who you don't even like most of. you mention being engaged, so congrats, but does your partner also feel the same way about the 99% of trans you hate? Are you setting yourself up to be in a situation where if you de-trans you will be divorced?

How long have you been on hormones?
3-5 years in is when the side effects (weight gain in unsightly areas, balding, loss of sex drive/interest in hobbies etc) really rear their ugly head and when regret will set in.

What are your plans to get and stay in shape around this major invasive surgery?

Why do you desire to ID as trans when you meet none of the criteria for wanting to live and perform as the opposite gender, when you hate the community, and are only seeking medical change to your body to soothe your distaste for your current form? What does the trans label give you besides a dating pool that puts up with your neuroticisms and fetishes?
 
I honestly have no problem with trannies castrating themselves. If I could do it without getting arrested I'd do it to them myself, with or without their permission.

1607141008427.jpg


The real problem is that they aren't satisfied with getting snipped. They want to be able to show their cocks and axe wounds to women in women's locker rooms and groom little kids, the former is obviously perverse and the latter is basically the most evil shit I can imagine.
 
Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?
 
  • Feels
Reactions: ABE LINN COHN
But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal.
I think the most credible meta-study found that while patient report of satisfaction immediately after the surgery is high (exactly when the person has taken an irreversible decision and is still woozy on drugs and it would be ego devastating to admit they just did something absolutely idiotic), the long-term prognosis, years later, isn't really provably better.

The data is muddled at best. There are many reasons for that. One is obviously politics. Doing a study at this point that shows anything other than that troonery is fantastic really fucks up your career. Only a really long-term medical elder like, for instance, Ray Blanchard can utter heresy on the subject and more or less disregard angry troons.

Maybe the surgery does really drastically help some people, and in that case, they should be the only ones getting it. To do otherwise would be pure quackery, which is what is going on now. As it is, when they're giving physical surgery to people who need mental therapy and medication, that's per se harm.
 
Edit: What I actually came here to say was that the weird tranny I keep on my FB from my home town has announced that the people who are writing the "anti-trans bills" are also the ones writing all the anti-abortion legislation. He then laughs about them thinking "we're the same." I don't get it, did he just get a euphoria boner or is he admitting that he's not a real woman?
The "you're allying with right wingers" is a dumb argument and also coincidentally why the insane left is burning down nowadays.

It's fine to temporarily ally with people you disagree with on some issues. In fact, compromise and bipartisanship (while still sticking to your important ideals) is the only way anyone makes political progress.

The best way to advocate for women's rights (if you are pro-choice), is to team up with conservatives (and anyone against tranny nonsense for sane reasons, really) to oppose tranny nonsense, and then just resume advocating for abortion access separately.

Only manchildren need to treat politics as a team sport.

And indeed, if sticking with one's team is so important, it's not the feminist's fault they're defecting to working with the right. It's because the insane left has stopped treating the feminists on "their team" with the same comraderie they expect in turn. You can tell these types of trannies that it's their fucking fault.
 
It's fine to temporarily ally with people you disagree with on some issues. In fact, compromise and bipartisanship (while still sticking to your important ideals) is the only way anyone makes political progress.
I have seen this on the local level a lot, although I have become so thoroughly alienated from politics that this was more than a decade ago. A really common example, to place it in a general perspective, is when ecofreaks, even of the most radical kind, will cooperate with people like hunters, because they both want to save some local ecology against the encroachment of a corporation that wants to develop some area (and essentially destroy it).

They may disagree on virtually everything in general, but when a coalition like this gets mad and ornery and pursues a single issue single-mindedly, they're pretty much unstoppable. Can you see why corporations would want to discourage this kind of cooperation by spewing toxic identity politics that alienate constituencies from each other so much they view each other as implacably evil?
 
Real talk what do you think to think is the solution to the Troon problem.? They aren't women and creep on lesbians and straight men in a very predatory manner. But at the same time, I think it's evident from the data hormones and the masquerade does seem to make them less suicidal. And I haven't seen any evidence that alternative treatments work to the same degree. So do we tolerate them as long as they know their place?

The solution is giving them what they want.

20075_A.jpg
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lady Bizness
Goose-stepping marches are peculiar to totalitarian regimes. In The Lion And The Unicorn, George Orwell explained why dictators love this method of parading.
ACE36419-0D95-463D-ADDF-4824BC214507.jpeg

TL;DR: goose stepping looks ridiculous, and it is meant to. But if someone points this out and laughs, the authorities punish those who dare to snigger at the sight.

It’s the same with the mantra: “Trans Women Are Women” (TWAW). If anyone points out the absurdity of this statement, they are treated in the same manner as those sniggering at goose stepping soldiers.

The acceptance of transgenderism and belief it it’s code requires a totalitarian mindset of those who yield power.
 
Goose-stepping marches are peculiar to totalitarian regimes. In The Lion And The Unicorn, George Orwell explained why dictators love this method of parading.
View attachment 3198394

TL;DR: goose stepping looks ridiculous, and it is meant to. But if someone points this out and laughs, the authorities punish those who dare to snigger at the sight.

It’s the same with the mantra: “Trans Women Are Women” (TWAW). If anyone points out the absurdity of this statement, they are treated in the same manner as those sniggering at goose stepping soldiers.

The acceptance of transgenderism and belief it it’s code requires a totalitarian mindset of those who yield power.
Gender- and Idpol are definitely totalitarian in nature, what trannypol did to Destiny is all you need for proof, but the marches aren’t meant to look ridiculous.
Totalitarianism, and more recently tranny/idpol, is unironically a (nontheistic) religion that sacralises certain aspects of a nation/people/society and the marches are meant to:

a) Internally display a certain approval, justification and accomplishment for the ideology;
b) Externally display the nation as 110% harmonious (”ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer!”)
c) honor their messiah/big brother/great leader who “saved” them from the “oppressive other,” and;
d) as you pointed out: Lure out the few dissenters who aren’t afraid to get cancelled.

Troons = 21st century commies and fascists. Simple as. Orwell wrote something striking about their mindset in ‘The road to Wigan Pier’:
Sometimes when I listen to these people talking, and still more when I read their books, I get the impression that, to them, the whole Socialist [transgender] movement is no more than a kind of exciting heresy-hunt — a leaping to and fro of frenzied witch-doctors to the beat of tom-toms and the tune of "Fee fi, fo, fum, I smell the blood of a right-wing deviationist [transphobe]!"
Green parts added by me. They just want to “bash the fash.”
 
Back