Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[BiggerChungus]

Here are some news on the Ukraïnian president aiding and abetting anti-Rossiyan extremists.
We are not alking about people who saw Home Alone 2; we are talking about actual tortures and eaths with propaganda being spread. Even mayors are being killed.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/17/traitor-zelensky-assassination-kidnapping-arrest-political-opposition/

https://archive.ph/RdERh

The above article links to this list of victims:

https://thesaker.is/a-disturbing-trend-in-the-ukraine/

https://archive.ph/BU5KY

Child soldiers, harboring serial killers, and posing their own military deaths as Russian casualties. Totally the good guys though, Snopes said so.

 

[OG Swolemaster]

Here are some news on the Ukraïnian president aiding and abetting anti-Rossiyan extremists.
We are not alking about people who saw Home Alone 2; we are talking about actual tortures and eaths with propaganda being spread. Even mayors are being killed.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/17/traitor-zelensky-assassination-kidnapping-arrest-political-opposition/

https://archive.ph/RdERh

The above article links to this list of victims:

https://thesaker.is/a-disturbing-trend-in-the-ukraine/

https://archive.ph/BU5KY

>In a March 19 executive order, Zelensky invoked martial law to ban 11 opposition parties. The outlawed parties consisted of the entire left-wing, socialist or anti-NATO spectrum in Ukraine. They included the For Life Party, the Left Opposition, the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, the Socialist Party of Ukraine, Union of Left Forces, Socialists, the Party of Shariy, Ours, State, Opposition Bloc and the Volodymyr Saldo Bloc.
based.

 

[Wy4M]

In a desperate attempt AZOV asks world leaders to organize an extraction from Mariupol and transfer them to another neutral country.
Saying it could be their last days, even last hours.
He mentions they are outnumbered 10 to 1 and have 500 wounded

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1516661186208665600

https://archive.ph/a2J3f

I don't think any world leader will answer their call.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

Point one you can objectively say is just outright incorrect.

You're missing the spirit for the letter. Of course he wasn't meaning that literally not a single person would welcome the invasion. Basically every invasion in history has been able to find collaborators when occupying a land. What he said(MTL'd) was:

A lightweight little one will never be

Let's start with the last. To assert that no one in Ukraine will defend the regime means in practice complete ignorance of the military-political situation and the mood of the broad masses in a neighboring state. Moreover, the degree of hatred (which, as you know, is the most effective fuel for armed struggle) in the neighboring republic towards Moscow is openly underestimated. No one will meet the Russian army with bread, salt and flowers in Ukraine.

It seems that the events in the southeast of Ukraine in 2014 did not teach anyone anything. Then, after all, they also hoped that the entire left-bank Ukraine in a single impulse and in a matter of seconds would turn to Novorossia. Already drew maps, estimated the personnel of future administrations of cities and regions, and developed state flags.

But even the Russian-speaking population of this part of Ukraine (including cities such as Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol) did not support such plans in its vast majority. The project "Novorossiya" somehow imperceptibly blown away and quietly died.

In a word, the liberation campaign in 2022 according to the model and likeness of 1939 will not work. In this case, the words of the classic of Soviet literature Arkady Gaidar are more true than ever: "It can be seen that we will not have an easy fight now, but a difficult battle.".

So when he says "No one will meet the Russian army with bread, salt and flowers in Ukraine." he's speaking in the context of responding to people who basically thought that invading the whole of Ukraine would go like invading Crimea in 2014. That there'd be no substantial support of the government, and no resistance to Russia taking over and essentially welcoming the troops in. He's been correct in this. While certainly they've been able to find traitors to help them in places, and gotten some degree of support, by and large the territories they've taken have been unwelcoming. For example, protests in Kherson big and angry enough that they started forcibly dispersing them, and reports that they wanted to set up a Kherson Republic have come to naught. Or in the north of Ukraine, where apparently not a single town, village, or city welcomed them warmly enough that they attempted to hang onto it when they retreated.

Aside from the fact that Ukraine has just been openly intimidating pro-Russian civilians, this assessment is completely ignoring the fact that the DPR and LPR even exist.

Uh. No shit it ignores them. Mikhail Khodarenok is a retired Russian colonel writing as an analyst for NVO, a Russian newspaper that's "dedicated to military posture, military science, activity of secret services, military technology, weapons, military history of Russia, as well as of other countries.". As far as he - or at least his editor - is concerned, the DPR and LPR aren't part of Ukraine at this point in time, they're independent republics. So of course he's not going to take them into consideration when talking about how an invasion of Ukraine would be welcomed.

I don't think point six is that great of an assessment either. I'm not saying that might not happen later on in the war, but you're just not seeing it happen now. Most of the cities that have fallen under Russian control aren't really seeing any kind of guerilla resistance, or at least not anything like what you saw in Iraq or Afghanistan. Hell Russia has just been parking trucks on the street in Kherson with very little security placed on them.

You likely aren't seeing guerilla resistance as there hasn't been the need for open fighting yet. The war's still on and providing information to Ukraine and attending protests is the safer way to resist occupation. Beyond that it's likely happened on small scale. Hence reports like these where people killed in Russian occupied territory in northern Ukraine were said to be killed for being suspected of effectively being artillery spotters. You likely had other scattered individuals or small groups try something elsewhere in Russian held territory as well, it'd explain some of the killings that seem to have been paranoia.

Then there's apparently enough reports of partisan fighting in Russian controlled territory that one of the main sources of maps about the war has included that for a few days now:



All in all, people are resisting. Things just haven't progressed to the point yet where there's large scale guerilla warfare. People aren't that desperate yet, and Russia's not being so openly provocative in unfriendly areas that people are going that far.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

My understanding is there are a lot of tunnels over there.

Do flamethrowers make an effective tool to smoke them out or just bury them all in there by closing the exits?

To my knowledge, flamethrowers are more for clearing out pillboxes. It's a lot easier to get a stream of burning fuel into a firing slit than it is to shoot into it or get a grenade into it. Tunnels it probably depends a bit on what kind of tunnels, but using a bulldozer to close the exits is likely the better option than trying to use a flamethrower for them.

 

[IKOL]

Yet another nonsensical talking point about "mob rule". Are you guys not tired of Gish galloping or do you genuinely believe the shit you're spouting?

It's interesting that you are asking a question that applies to you much better and more efficient.

Only if he can't pull out his phone and show all the negdoots he's made for the Slava of Ukraini on the kiwifarms front first

Nobody will give a shit about that in Ukraine, lol.

How am I a collaborator or a fifth columnist?

You ran. You abandoned the family. That's how?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

US Army sergeant (E-5), promoted from Specialist 4 (E-4), most likely admin support to US military training team/US military attache's office in Kyiv.

Wouldn't put too much stock in the LinkedIn entry. Says she's been in the military 27 years. I don't think so. Not a West Point cadet. She is ethnic Korean. Garden could be the name of the people who adopted her or possibly her married name.

When did she enlist, at 13? How old does her bio say she is? If she enlisted at 18 that makes her 45 and that's a extremely well preserved 45, even if she's asian. She's very luminescent.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Egan man, this is God-tier seething:

1. Who fled the country along the attorney general and minister of the interior. Wonder why.
2. I don't believe US adventurism was righteous. I've protested against the wars in the 2000s. Azov wouldn't exist if it weren't for the need of an organization t.nvasion.
3. The "facts" are that Russia armed and offered hybrid support in a civil war, resorting to outright invasion when things didn't work out their way.
4. Because of how they reacted to protests.
5. The referendum occurred AFTER RUSSIAN INVASION AND SEIZURE. Russia started the war before any decision had been made.
6. The "coup" happened because of the violent crackdown and underhanded tactics used to squash the protests.
7. Yes, you have. I will ask anyone who's interested in reading this autistic slapfight to just read your posts, and that's exactly what they will see.
8. False. Access to the Sea of Azov is a major strategic concern. Russia's abundance of resources is less valuable if there's competition. There's absolutely a reason for invade on the basis of territory, and you're trying to downplay it by saying Russia is too wealthy to care. It is a naked land grab, even when the Ukrainian socialists demanded their own autonomy from the Bolsheviks, their condition for Ukrainian autonomy was conceding Donbass and access to the Black Sea to Russian Soviet Republic.
9. What do you mean, "all of them"? Only one person you need to know, and it's the man at the helm. You really think he cares?

Most of your repetitive noise - the irony of your name being lost on no one - isn’t worth addressing beyond my previous comments, but if there were an award for the dumbest of dumb takes to come out of all the threads discussing this sorry affair, that bolded point would win it.

 

[Elbereth]

A proper answer would be as long as my thesis but the US is a country rich in farmland and natural resources, which should benefit the people of that nation, and only the people of that nation. Sending taxpayer monies meant to ensure the US functions properly and benefits the citizens of the US over to a country acknowledged by all to be the most corrupt in Eastern Europe to fight a war they cannot win does not make my country a successful nation; it makes the US venal, corrupt and ruinous. It only benefits a few wealthy and corrupt politicians and officials in the US.

But you already know this, Ms. Nuland.

So write it down faggot!

Like somehow you try to conjure reality that superpower status is not benefiting US, or it's citizens by any means. You are free to renounce your citizenship and join another nation rich in farmland and natural resurces - Russia.

I think that $40 and $69 are somewhat different figures.

Because 40 was price for 2019. Today, as you know it is not 2019.

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And it would be a fine analysis if you could judge the Russian economy using GDP. They have eschewed most standard macro economic measurements, even before they decided to become gold niggers. Purchase parity metric puts their economy at a scale larger than Germany.

They knew this was coming and prepared accordingly.

It’s why sanctions don’t do any significant damage to their economy.

It isn’t just me, this has been know for years and put out on many military papers since the 2000s.

Russia GDP per capita: ~12k USD
Russia GDP per capita using purchasing power parity: ~26k USD
Germany GDP per capita using PPP: ~51k USD

For fucks sake, they prepared by disposing 3/4 of their financial reserves in FED and have it all frozen

Fail.

What this literally means is that US dollars are worth 1/3 less for goods and services in Russia. It doesn't mean the average Russian is buying 1/3 less of goods and services.

No. GDP doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean any of that.

Gross national product means this is how much given country produced that year. If GDP falls by 1/3, it means that economy produced 1/3 less. Or it means that rubel is worth less by 1/3. In 2013 you could buy 33 rubels for 1 USD. In 2015 1 dollar buys you 66 rubels. So it is exactly the oposite of what you said.
PPP is taking same basket of goods from different countries and comparing it. The biggest component of that basket is food. So yeah, Russia as the big food produced didnt face huge food price increases.
However, what has much lower weights in that basket are things like electornics: smartphones, laptops, tvs and more, car and car parts, forein travels or medicine. All of those are what many would consider, sign of wealth.

 

[Vince McMahon]

It's interesting that you are asking a question that applies to you much better and more efficient

>literal "no u" deflection

You ran. You abandoned the family. That's how?

You don't know my entire circumstance but nice try and A for baiting effort. Totally not making you mad by existing and saying that you guys are wrong.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

Votes are untrue because of the war. What?

The election was rigged.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

In a desperate attempt AZOV asks world leaders to organize an extraction from Mariupol and transfer them to another neutral country.
Saying it could be their last days, even last hours.
He mentions they are outnumbered 10 to 1 and have 500 wounded
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https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1516661186208665600

https://archive.ph/a2J3f

I don't think any world leader will answer their call.

Maybe someone could arrange something for the civilians but the Azov guys are definitely OTO.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

So write it down faggot!

Like somehow you try to conjure reality that superpower status is not benefiting US, or it's citizens by any means. You are free to renounce your citizenship and join another nation rich in farmland and natural resurces - Russia.

Only a Polack would tell an American to love it or leave it, despite still trying to figure out to to screw in a light bulb (at least they can clean toilets, as so many of them do). It must scare you nearly every American feels as I do; that is is not our concern while the standard of living in the US continues its accelerated downward spiral and we could not care less if Putin drone strikes Zelensky in the morning and marches into Warsaw that evening.

Also, this is a Polack that doesn't understand simple capitalism. if you want a paper with corresponding footnotes, the going rate is $200 USD/hour, for a minimum of four hours. So get to cleaning and hurry up because due to inflation, I must charge $250 USD by Friday.

 

[IKOL]

>literal "no u" deflection

It's pretty much clear that you don't take on account that questions you asking here are applying to you as well. That's sad, really.

You don't know my entire circumstance

Neither you do mine, that's fair, so?

but nice try and A for baiting effort.

Oh, that wasn't a baiting effort at all my guy, that was entirely other thing and you've missed it.

Totally not making you mad by existing

I honestly see no reasons to be mad about my existence or someone else's, why do you zelenbros imply that if people question and challenge your rhetorics that means they are mad?

The election was rigged.

Well surprise-surprise, literally every election past last 100 years was rigged if any have taken place.

Maybe someone could arrange something for the civilians but the Azov guys are definitely OTO.

A way out was offered, radio silence have accompanied the offer.
Civs surely need to gtfo from here, that's solid.
But azovites... I guess a bunch of Jewish Ovens would be sufficient way out for them, straight to Valhalla.

Only a Polack would tell an American to love it or leave it,

Ah, classic plumbers teaching dumbfuckistani citizens that feed and sneed 'em about how to live and follow propaganda. Neat.

 

[Elbereth]

Only a Polack would tell an American to love it or leave it, despite still trying to figure out to to screw in a light bulb (at least they can clean toilets, as so many of them do). It must scare you nearly every American feels as I do; that is is not our concern while the standard of living in the US continues its accelerated downward spiral and we could not care less if Putin drone strikes Zelensky in the morning and marches into Warsaw that evening.

Also, this is a Polack that doesn't understand simple capitalism. if you want a paper with corresponding footnotes, the going rate is $200 USD/hour, for a minimum of four hours. So get to cleaning and hurry up because due to inflation, I must charge $250 USD by Friday.

Did we really arrived at kiwifarms equivalent "Oh sweet summer child, It is not my job to educate you. Fuck you, pay me" Epic rebuttal my dude, I'm sure it will earn you a lot of likes on twatter.

If you'd ask me, drinking yourself with russian vodka while shitposting on farms aren't going to do any favors to you, your standards of living, or your liver.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Did we really arrived at kiwifarms equivalent "Oh sweet summer child, It is not my job to educate you. Fuck you, pay me" Epic rebuttal my dude, I'm sure it will earn you a lot of likes on twatter.

If you'd ask me, drinking yourself with russian vodka while shitposting on farms aren't going to do any favors to you, your standards of living, or your liver.

My liver is fine, I'm saving the good vodka for the day Poland realizes it fucked up by expecting Daddy America to save them and realizes it should have invested in an army. But Poland fucking itself is nothing new.

Also I'm from NYC. "Fuck you, pay me" is the golden rule.

 

[Elbereth]

Also I'm from NYC. "Fuck you, pay me" is the golden rule.

That's why you are bitter shut-in, who pushes responsibility for your life on us gov

 

[Elbereth]

I don't think he's a shut-in. He does strike me as a classical bored middle-class clerk. Too big boy pants for 4chan but just enough for kiwifarms.

It is 5 AM in NY right now, and he's been posting long before that. He's either night shift worker, or unemployed.

 

[Vince McMahon]

What do you know about the girldick? Tell us more

Oh, so you're a cunt? Isn't that precious - a woman is advocating or shaming someone for their choices. Say it ain't so. Most of what I said still applies to you.

Also, you know the rules about announcing your gender on the Internet.

 

[Elbereth]

or a student, or a night IT worker, or a stoned out washout.

He could be in high school too. Who the fuck knows.

It's just always the same type - bored housewives and office rats. Doesn't have to be either, just the type of people is always the same.

Yeah, the identity of Feline Supermacist isn't really the most interesting topic. Too bad, it is the only topic we have since offensive in Donbass is going nowhere and all the info is very sparse.