Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Ishtar]

I believe Stewart actually advocated for Picard to be more an action hero in First Contact.

Despite you know, Picard not being an action hero in any way, maybe he thought it would help his brand or something, I dunno.

It’s important to remember Jean Luc Picard and Patrick Stewart are not the same person.

I agree Stewart does sound frail and weak. Especially when I see guys like Lee Majors who are around the same age as him who even when acting in a corny budget movie still gives a better performance. But I agree it kills me that Stewart wants his last work to be a woke peice of garbage just ruins his legacy for me. Like seriously is being woke that important?

He’s a liberal British thespian. He doesn’t want to be known as some old White dude who wasn’t on board with the latest degeneracy and leftist fads. It’s a sort of conscience salver-he doesn’t want to be remembered as a stuffy old White man who didn’t grok BLM and troonism. So it is about his legacy, at least from a rotten perspective.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I believe Stewart actually advocated for Picard to be more an action hero in First Contact.

"Hey guys, I want to drive dune buggies."
*insert dune buggy scene in Nemesis*

 

[Lithos]

one comment I read was theorizing that it's just to replace de lancie like they replaced guinan. still retarded.

I certainly hope he wouldn't be replaced by Q2. His son was pretty obnoxious. But then, he might've matured and learned how to act in these past 20 years.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I certainly hope he wouldn't be replaced by Q2. His son was pretty obnoxious. But then, he might've matured and learned how to act in these past 20 years.

lol @ the idea it won't be some black, fat troon

 

[HarryHowler]

I believe Stewart actually advocated for Picard to be more an action hero in First Contact.

Despite you know, Picard not being an action hero in any way, maybe he thought it would help his brand or something, I dunno.

It’s important to remember Jean Luc Picard and Patrick Stewart are not the same person.

That was in response to an early version of First Contact's script where Picard was the one getting up to time-travel shenanigans with Cochrane and Lily, and Riker was fighting the Borg. Whatever Stewart's motivations, having Picard be the one who faces off against the Borg made a lot more sense from a story perspective.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

I certainly hope he wouldn't be replaced by Q2.

He'll be replaced by LGBTQ.

 

[Preferred Penne]

Tilly so fat she could power a Dyson sphere.

 

[White Devil]

I believe Stewart actually advocated for Picard to be more an action hero in First Contact.

Despite you know, Picard not being an action hero in any way, maybe he thought it would help his brand or something, I dunno.

Just remember his girlish "uhhhs" in Generations every time Soren even so much looked at Picard. Action hero, indeed.

 

[khaine]

I have to think that the Rios and doctor story would have been pretty much the same if he was simply a rich guy with a private jet and a personal chef who could make 4 different kids of cake.

Look, it's a space ship, and it makes cake!

It’s basically the same story as Kirk and the doctor from ST4. Except the Latina is hotter and has a kid

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I don't mind the movies having more action than the show because they are movies and they need to appeal to a bigger audience. I watched Generations with no trek fans and they liked it.

But it would have been better handled if they had happened between seasons to have the action and the no action more balanced.

Tilly so fat she could power a Dyson sphere.

Tilly IS the Dyson sphere.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't mind the movies having more action than the show because they are movies and they need to appeal to a bigger audience. I watched Generations with no trek fans and they liked it.

It's not just that, but you don't have time in two hours to have some combination space opera/telenovela thing in combination with episodic monster of the week (or even creepy fetish of the week) plus a half-dozen sub-plots you would get in a season of TNG.

And that's assuming two hours, somewhere between 90 minutes and two hours is usually more the case.

Wait, had a tism attack and decided to fact-check my thought.

Actually the average Trek film was very nearly two hours.

"All 13 Star Trek films have a combined total of 25 hours and 17 minutes, or just over a full day."

And the calculator says 116.69 minutes per film on average. One hour, fifty-six minutes and 41 seconds. So barely under two hours.

Your general point is sound, though. You actually drastically shrink your audience when you make the movie long enough part of the audience wouldn't be able to contain their bladder through the whole thing so there's an intermission. Much after two hours, you run into this.

So under two hours allows for a lot, but definitely not enough to spend substantial time on fun character development like salvaging Reginald Barclay, or other things I really loved about TNG.

The citation to the length in minutes is from a profoundly autistic website: https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2021/01/22/take-far-longer-watch-star-trek-think/

The autism of it makes me trust the numbers, though.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Wait Q isn't immortal?

Whut?

The whole point of Q is he is a trickster god, sometimes teaching a lesson but never bound to human weakness or want.

They fucked that over in Voyager when they dumped the idea that the Q were beyond human knowledge and now just some uber powerfull aliens who need help from us.

IMHO Q was way better the less we knew about him, now he's lost all of his mystery and honestly all of my interest. After Q2 wanted to die, then Q and Q3 have a baby then Janeway becomes and Aunt...oh just fuck it. New Q sucks.

Give me back my amoral, immortal, omnipotent, unknowable god-like Q.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

They fucked that over in Voyager when they dumped the idea that the Q were beyond human knowledge and now just some uber powerfull aliens who need help from us.

IMHO Q was way better the less we knew about him, now he's lost all of his mystery and honestly all of my interest. After Q2 wanted to die, then Q and Q3 have a baby then Janeway becomes and Aunt...oh just fuck it. New Q sucks.

Give me back my amoral, immortal, omnipotent, unknowable god-like Q.

That was in a time before EVERYTHING needed to be "deconstructed".

 

[Lithos]

There is something to be said about the beauty of cosmic horror. Keeping things unknowable can keep them relevant and horrifying.

Case in point, the Burn could've been something very interesting in DISC, but no, they revealed it. Worse? It was an austic child in a holodeck who screamed at all the warp drives.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

TNG Q and VOY Q are just two perspectives on Qs, imo. One, it's the relationship of the continuum with humanity (personified by Picard) and the other one is about the Q themselves. The episode when that one Q wanted to die and then, the TNG ep. when they killed that Q-girl's parents prove that the Qs aren't goofs like Original Q, but a rather strict race that doesn't like chaos and are control freaks. The shenanigans we see is all on Q alone. The one thing that is implied is that they are afraid that humans will catch up with them eventually, and that they might surpass them because the Q are stuck.

The only reason Q is in Picard is because these people just check the wiki for random stuff and they realised Q was an important part of TNG, but without realising why. None of the things that Picard is doing in this show are evidence of the potential that Q saw on Picard to make him believe humanity is headed to become something else.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It’s so fucking stupid that a cartoon about ponies did Q better than an actual Star Trek show.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

TNG Q and VOY Q are just two perspectives on Qs, imo. One, it's the relationship of the continuum with humanity (personified by Picard) and the other one is about the Q themselves. The episode when that one Q wanted to die and then, the TNG ep. when they killed that Q-girl's parents prove that the Qs aren't goofs like Original Q, but a rather strict race that doesn't like chaos and are control freaks. The shenanigans we see is all on Q alone. The one thing that is implied is that they are afraid that humans will catch up with them eventually, and that they might surpass them because the Q are stuck.

The only reason Q is in Picard is because these people just check the wiki for random stuff and they realised Q was an important part of TNG, but without realising why. None of the things that Picard is doing in this show are evidence of the potential that Q saw on Picard to make him believe humanity is headed to become something else.

If anything, the show itself proves Humanity is "a dangerous, savage, child-race."

 

[Captain Syrup]

Case in point, the Burn could've been something very interesting, but no, autistic child in a holodeck who screamed at all the warp drives.

Just like you loved when they did it on TNG, didn't you? DIDN'T YOU?!

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

They should have had Q be QAnon in Picard. He's not dying, just going senile and now only speaks in shitty Nostradamus rip-off quatrains. Instead of having to save Mary Sue Picard, the crew has to save Hilary Clinton from Q killing her. Luckily they have more than only three days, they have two weeks to find Hilary Clinton.

 

[Captain Syrup]

They should have had Q be QAnon in Picard. Instead of having to save ilPicard, the crew has to save Hilary Clinton

We're going to put a lot of dilithium miners out of work, aren't we, Tim?