Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[toilet_rainbow]

What is the latter's reasoning for wanting to take testosterone even if she identifies as "female"? I know that these sorts of people are a few fries short of a Happy Meal, but it should be stressed by clinics and health providers that HRT is not something to casually fool around with.

She wants a beard. That’s literally it. Is willing to get the other hormonal changes if she gets a beard.

 

[Hepativore]

She wants a beard. That’s literally it. Is willing to get the other hormonal changes if she gets a beard.

Is it not just easier to go to a costume shop and get a fake one, or something?

No medical professional in their right mind should see that as a legitimate reason for HRT.

With all due respect to mentally-handicapped people out there...

She is fucking retarded.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

Is it not just easier to go to a costume shop and get a fake one, or something?

No medical professional in their right mind should see that as a legitimate reason for HRT.

With all due respect to mentally-handicapped people out there...

She is fucking retarded.

Oh trust me, I’ve had the same thoughts. I believe it’s an offshoot from her contemplating she was a trans man days. She’s actually brilliant academically but when it comes to gender brainwashing she gets retarded as fuck. Which is hard to see because she is a close friend of mine.

What’s fucking me with her is that she finally accepted that she was a cis lesbian after years of identity crises. But then she wants the beard still so is trying to get T anyway. I love her but Jesus Christ. The trans indoctrination is real.

 

[Hepativore]

Oh trust me, I’ve had the same thoughts. I believe it’s an offshoot from her contemplating she was a trans man days. She’s actually brilliant academically but when it comes to gender brainwashing she gets retarded as fuck. Which is hard to see because she is a close friend of mine.

What’s fucking me with her is that she finally accepted that she was a cis lesbian after years of identity crises. But then she wants the beard still so is trying to get T anyway. I love her but Jesus Christ. The trans indoctrination is real.

She could always shave her pubic hair and glue it on her face.

Honestly, though, buying costume facial hair is probably her best bet. The most that the majority of FTMs can end up growing is some slight fuzz/pedostubble. The results of testosterone on a post-pubescent female in the beard department are overwhelmingly disappointing, as most of them cannot really hope to have a full beard.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

She could always shave her pubic hair and glue it on her face.

Honestly, though, buying costume facial hair is probably her best bet. The most that the majority of FTMs can end up growing is some slight fuzz/pedostubble. The results of testosterone on a post-pubescent female in the beard department are overwhelmingly disappointing, as most of them cannot really hope to have a full beard.

Yeah, if you want a beard like the one that the guy in my avatar (aka best boi Jigen) has, you're gonna have to be a real man. I'd suggest a costume kit, at least as a "just try that at least" thing, but you know how the trans cult members react to gender criticism. Detransitioner TERF Exlusanic is nucking futs herself but her calling transgenderism a religion to these people is pretty accurate. Everything is done in the name of Trans and its saint Euphoria. I'm always so nervous that if I accidentally say the wrong thing that I'll lose them to the cult entirely because they'd cut off all contact.

She's so close yet so far to accepting who she is. The fact that she admitted that she is an actual woman and not an enby (fuckin' Tumblr man) and wants exclusively she/her is such huge progress. I was so proud of her even if I couldn't say that in her face. If she overcomes this desire for something she can't have (which is pretty much what transgenderism is besides a fetish), she'd be in a far better place than she is now. I'm so angry that trannies have made any criticism as "violence" even when it's good intended. Hormones and surgeries are not something to do for funsies.

(Slightly OT, but like the costume kit being a better alternative I've seen some very realistic looking STP packers. Expensive af, but a helluva lot safer way to get that stupid stand to pee euphoria FTMs claim to want than fucking arm roll ups that will prevent you from pissing period. But nooo, dumbasses need to coom at the thought of being a different gender/lusting over the real thing!)

 

[Hepativore]

Yeah, if you want a beard like the one that the guy in my avatar (aka best boi Jigen) has, you're gonna have to be a real man. I'd suggest a costume kit, at least as a "just try that at least" thing, but you know how the trans cult members react to gender criticism. Detransitioner TERF Exlusanic is nucking futs herself but her calling transgenderism a religion to these people is pretty accurate. Everything is done in the name of Trans and its saint Euphoria. I'm always so nervous that if I accidentally say the wrong thing that I'll lose them to the cult entirely because they'd cut off all contact.

She's so close yet so far to accepting who she is. The fact that she admitted that she is an actual woman and not an enby (fuckin' Tumblr man) and wants exclusively she/her is such huge progress. I was so proud of her even if I couldn't say that in her face. If she overcomes this desire for something she can't have (which is pretty much what transgenderism is besides a fetish), she'd be in a far better place than she is now. I'm so angry that trannies have made any criticism as "violence" even when it's good intended. Hormones and surgeries are not something to do for funsies.

(Slightly OT, but like the costume kit being a better alternative I've seen some very realistic looking STP packers. Expensive af, but a helluva lot safer way to get that stupid stand to pee euphoria FTMs claim to want than fucking arm roll ups that will prevent you from pissing period. But nooo, dumbasses need to coom at the thought of being a different gender/lusting over the real thing!)

Slightly off-topic as well as a powerlevel, I have had female acquaintances of mine say that most women can actually urinate standing up without using a device if they "position" things the right way...and as to why this is necessary, it apparently comes in handy for disgusting public toilets and camping trips as it is learned out of practicality in these situations rather than out of some "trans" statement.

Look up something called the "finger-assist method" online...I will leave that to the female Kiwis on this thread.

Anyway, it sounds like there is hope for your friend, yet. Once the hormones start, that is usually when a troon becomes a lost cause.

 

[umami's milk]

Slightly off-topic as well as a powerlevel, I have had female acquaintances of mine say that most women can actually urinate standing up without using a device if they "position" things the right way...and as to why this is necessary, it apparently comes in handy for disgusting public toilets and camping trips as it is learned out of practicality in these situations rather than out of some "trans" statement.

What the fuck? No way! Trying the learn this technique is just going to end up with a messy floor and clothes. I'm not going to attempt this and end up pissing all over myself. If you're camping, just squat somewhere. If it's a disgusting public toilet, squat back on the toilet seat.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Honestly, though, buying costume facial hair is probably her best bet. The most that the majority of FTMs can end up growing is some slight fuzz/pedostubble. The results of testosterone on a post-pubescent female in the beard department are overwhelmingly disappointing, as most of them cannot really hope to have a full beard.

I've seen some FtMs with decent beards, or at least moustache/goatee, but they were years and years into their transitions.

The problem is that this lady only wants the beard, and exogenous testosterone doesn't present you with a menu. She might get the permanent frog voice and acne long before a pubestash sprouts, to say nothing of mood disturbance.

Even Rogaine would be a better plan for what she wants. Or find an adventurous microblading studio.

What the fuck? No way! Trying the learn this technique is just going to end up with a messy floor and clothes. I'm not going to attempt this and end up pissing all over myself. If you're camping, just squat somewhere. If it's a disgusting public toilet, squat back on the toilet seat.

If you're going to learn to pee standing up as a woman, the smart way to practice is during a shower.

Confidence level in my own technique is not high enough for me to do it in public or miles from fresh clothing, though. Like you said: awful lot of risk to go to when you could just as easily squat and go about your day.

Feels like if you told a natal dude that he could either lose the ability to pee standing up, or pay thousands of dollars and risk chronic pain, incontinence, anorgasmia and recurrent urinary tract infections, he'd take the first option every time. There are a million things that clock an FtM before they ever make it to the bathroom, and you don't see them lifting weights, learning a trade or wiping off the eyeliner to fix them.

 

[umami's milk]

I've seen some FtMs with decent beards, or at least moustache/goatee, but they were years and years into their transitions.

The problem is that this lady only wants the beard, and exogenous testosterone doesn't present you with a menu. She might get the permanent frog voice and acne long before a pubestash sprouts, to say nothing of mood disturbance.

Even Rogaine would be a better plan for what she wants. Or find an adventurous microblading studio.

I find that FtMs have an easier time passing than MtFs if they know what they're doing, but this might just have something to do with the natural development of fetuses in the womb. All embryos start off female or at least with female-looking sex organs. Male characteristics develop later, somewhere between the 1st and 2nd month of development. So a woman may have an easier time developing more masculine characteristics if she goes on T, but it's very hard for men to revert the set of masculine traits that have developed after birth. Well... without doctoring, that is.

If you're going to learn to pee standing up as a woman, the smart way to practice is during a shower.

Confidence level in my own technique is not high enough for me to do it in public or miles from fresh clothing, though. Like you said: awful lot of risk to go to when you could just as easily squat and go about your day.

lol showerpisser.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I find that FtMs have an easier time passing than MtFs if they know what they're doing, but this might just have something to do with the natural development of fetuses in the womb. All embryos start off female or at least with female-looking sex organs. Male characteristics develop later, somewhere between the 1st and 2nd month of development.

Yeah, testosterone is additive and pretty one-way. I think that it also helps that MtFs trip the brain's threat detection: at the monkey level, you're aware that this is an unpredictable male and you need to pay attention. A FtM who's good at passing is by definition unremarkable. Just a short dude.

The problem arises when the tumblrites think they're going to transition into a bishounen, and keep up the feminine aesthetic while they're waiting for it to magically happen. If someone really couldn't live unless they were a man, they'd be ready to accept that that man might be Danny DeVito.

lol showerpisser.

Toilet pissing hasn't been a challenge in decades, dude; gotta keep my skills sharp.

 

[umami's milk]

Toilet pissing hasn't been a challenge in decades, dude; gotta keep my skills sharp.

Sounds like you should take a trip to Big Bill Hell's Cars.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Sounds like you should take a trip to Big Bill Hell's Cars.

That reminds me of an old joke:

Spoiler: challenge pissing

A man and a woman are in a bar and arguing over who is better, women or men.

It comes around to standing to pee, and the woman says, "I bet I can piss higher on a wall than you can."

The man, thinking he can't lose, takes her bet. They go outside to the alley and the woman hikes up her skirt, bends over and pees on the wall about 3 feet up. The man is impressed, but still knows he's going to win.

He unzips his pants and begins aiming when the woman says, "Nope! No hands!"

 

[Cilleystring]

She’s actually brilliant academically but when it comes to gender brainwashing she gets retarded as fuck.

What is it about academia and transitioning? I've always found it very odd that they teach you to question everything in your field and to always ask questions, but then you are pressured to blindly believe anything about the trans movement, race propaganda, anything liberal basically. It's like they can have a brilliant mind for questioning and advancing their own area of study, but all of that critical thinking shuts down immediately when they are outside their particular niche and they become the most indoctrinated of all.

 

[DumbDude42]

What is it about academia and transitioning? I've always found it very odd that they teach you to question everything in your field and to always ask questions, but then you are pressured to blindly believe anything about the trans movement, race propaganda, anything liberal basically. It's like they can have a brilliant mind for questioning and advancing their own area of study, but all of that critical thinking shuts down immediately when they are outside their particular niche and they become the most indoctrinated of all.

being smart or well educated doesn't make you immune to propaganda, and academia is where most of that propaganda is created, so their social environment is absolutely saturated with it

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

What is it about academia and transitioning? I've always found it very odd that they teach you to question everything in your field and to always ask questions, but then you are pressured to blindly believe anything about the trans movement, race propaganda, anything liberal basically. It's like they can have a brilliant mind for questioning and advancing their own area of study, but all of that critical thinking shuts down immediately when they are outside their particular niche and they become the most indoctrinated of all.

This is how almost all mind control organizations work. You're encouraged to think critically... unless it pertains to our own doctrine, of course.

 

[teriyakiburns]

All embryos start off female or at least with female-looking sex organs. Male characteristics develop later, somewhere between the 1st and 2nd month of development.

They start off neuter, with precursor ducts for both the male and female reproductive organs. A male develops when the testes produce anti-müllerian hormone, which prevents the growth of the müllerian duct into the uterus and related structures and allows the wolffian ducts to grow into male reproductive organs. Lack of müllerian hormone causes the wolffian duct to atrophy and allows the müllerian duct to grow.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

What is it about academia and transitioning? I've always found it very odd that they teach you to question everything in your field and to always ask questions, but then you are pressured to blindly believe anything about the trans movement, race propaganda, anything liberal basically. It's like they can have a brilliant mind for questioning and advancing their own area of study, but all of that critical thinking shuts down immediately when they are outside their particular niche and they become the most indoctrinated of all.

Too much trust on other academics, too much trust on the ability for soy-ence to make impossible things possible, an environment surrounded by educated people who are way too polite, a higher proclivity to fall for appeals to authority like "a phd sociologist said so, so it must be true and i'm dumb to question their authority", too much time lost in abstract theory they forget the pragmatic reality.

Is also very difficult to convince someone smart that they are being retarded, smart people get used to being right so much they can't accept when they aren't, instead they'll use their smarts to shield their ego and shit gets worse.

 

[tiggles]

My ex who trooned out after our break up and incorporated me into his skinwalking routine is still connected with me on social media. This was an intentional decision by me because I really enjoy laughing at him/being grossed out. he’s states away now so it’s more funny than unnerving.

Anyways, i recently hit a huge milestone in my life, so I dressed up nicely and my picture was taken. I uploaded the pic with the announcement to social media for friends and family to see. ~30 people commented; ~29 congratulated me, whereas he commented on how nice I looked in my dress. Classic .

 

[Boys Club Rhetoric]

So awhile back, my best friend died after a fairly rapid and aggressive illness. I mention this only because his widower is the one who has subsequently trooned out (MtF), and I'm increasingly convinced it's due to not processing his grief in a healthy manner. It's already implied but let me explicitly state they were a gay couple, because it's relevant to the story.

In hindsight, there was signs I should have noticed, but never did

• Over the years, he'd occasionally dress in drag, with full makeup and everything.
• I don't think the funeral had even happened get when he asked if I'd ever banged my friend or not. And then followed up with "why not?" when I said no. Don't let my pfp fool you, Kiwis. I am not Cheryl Hines of Curb Your Enthusiasm fame. Or even a woman for that matter. Anyhow, he seemed perplexed as to why a straight man wouldn't have banged his gay best friend, but I just chalked it up to grief doing weird things to people and let it pass.
• A mere few months after the funeral, he was already back in the dating pool. I thought it was rather quick, as I was still heavily mourning, but I figured it wasn't my place to judge someone on how quickly they got through their grief

Anyhow, I knew something was up when he suddenly started posting a lot more pics in drag on social media. He'd done it before, but was typically quite sparing with it, so this was unusual. So when I got the text a few weeks later that he was now a true and honest woman, I wasn't exactly surprised.

He immediately jumped into taking E, claiming he had been on HRT in the past, before he and my friend entered into a relationship, but stopped because of friends very conservative parents, assuming they wouldn't approve. I don't know if its true, or just typical troon revisionist history, but I don't much care for the low-key shifting of the blame to my friend and his parents, who were incredibly supportive of them both, and loved him like their own.

Fast forward 3 months, and he tells me he's considering bolt-ons (he has not yet, to my knowledge, gone through with this), and starts telling me about the effects E has has on his body in excruciating detail. "In case you're considering it too", he says, because apparently troons have a law saying they need to trans other ppeople. Fuck off bro, I'm not joining the cult.

Jump ahead another month, he sends me a pic wearing a flesh toned, skin tight leotard because he's so proud of the effect his titty skittles have been having

Amidst all this, I've tried talking about non-trans issues with him, but my attempts go ignored, without fail.

To end this long story, the last time we spoke, he excitedly told me how he had some government ID officially updated to female, on International Women's Day, because he's going for a tranny bingo blackout it seems.

He hasn't mentioned a desire for an amhole yet, but I feel like that's inevitably in the future. If he wasn't such a strong link to someone I cared for deeply, I'd walk away, but I just... I don't know anymore. It's left me in the awful situation of being glad my friend didn't have to see this happen, despite wishing he was still with us. I feel like I failed my promise to my friend to help his partner get through it all. It fucking sucks.

 

[Insert Username Here]

Small update, i did some research and found out that his vrchat "girlfriend" is a "pansexual" "any pronouns" and "her" bio says "Thick hoe with a bad attitude". there really couldn't be anymore red flags

He swears up and down that "she's" a true and honest woman but i'm not 100% sure yet. He's been acting like a changed man and randomly started talking about their "VRsex" sessions and it was grossing everyone out, he's been getting no sleep and has basically been living in VRchat for the past week. He also rejected going out with a girl he liked in real life to hang out with this VR bitch, We've been making fun of him for awhile and he seemed really unfazed by it. All we can really do is just watch his downfall at this point...