Better Call Saul

[AnOminous]

This leaves me with a question. So DID Saul know that Nacho was dead in that scene?

This also makes me gleeful that Lalo dies too. God I want that evil motherfucker to die, along with all Salamancas, the vilest scummiest cartel vermin ever. And Juan Bolsa, you had it coming you pathetic bag-man. God I hate all these vermin. Now that I'm over Nacho getting about the best out he had, but far too soon, absolutely fuck you all, fuck all Salamacas, as bad as I feel about Nacho, he set them on their road to ruin and that beautiful scene where Gus takes the entire family out.

You scum, you vermin, I hate you, you get taken out soon enough you fucking turds. And fuck Hector specifically. Mark Margolis has played this role before (Scarface), and it was amazing when he shot the already-dead Ignacio. Oh you just realized you got absolutely fucked by a dead guy? FUCK YOU you GODDAMN IDIOT! Glad you got to know what a loser you were and who you lost to.

It just adds to the nuance of the scene where *DING DING DING DING DING* FUCK YOU GUS.

 

[Skitarii]

This leaves me with a question. So DID Saul know that Nacho was dead in that scene?

This also makes me gleeful that Lalo dies too. God I want that evil motherfucker to die, along with all Salamancas, the vilest scummiest cartel vermin ever. And Juan Bolsa, you had it coming you pathetic bag-man. God I hate all these vermin. Now that I'm over Nacho getting about the best out he had, but far too soon, absolutely fuck you all, fuck all Salamacas, as bad as I feel about Nacho, he set them on their road to ruin and that beautiful scene where Gus takes the entire family out.

You scum, you vermin, I hate you, you get taken out soon enough you fucking turds. And fuck Hector specifically. Mark Margolis has played this role before (Scarface), and it was amazing when he shot the already-dead Ignacio. Oh you just realized you got absolutely fucked by a dead guy? FUCK YOU you GODDAMN IDIOT! Glad you got to know what a loser you were and who you lost to.

It just adds to the nuance of the scene where *DING DING DING DING DING* FUCK YOU GUS.

 

[TheHarbinger]

This leaves me with a question. So DID Saul know that Nacho was dead in that scene?

Most likely. By that point Saul is already suggesting murders on his own and is deep into the drug game. And he has a long relationship with Mike as well who knows Nacho is dead. And Mike knows Nacho has history with Saul. So they probably talked about it. And on top of that Saul would just assume that with Nacho vanishing he is obviously in a shallow grave or oil drum somewhere. I doubt he thinks that Nacho just went to Belize on a permanent vacation. Saul figured out that Mike was dead pretty quickly.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

This leaves me with a question. So DID Saul know that Nacho was dead in that scene?

In several instances, Mike and Gus discuss what Saul does and does not need to be made aware of. My bet, both Nacho and Lalo die, and Saul isn't made aware of either of their deaths. Be it because he's more useful to the both of them if he can be rattled with "the scary Mexicans are still out there you better watch out" or some other reason. The two of them intentionally keeping him in the dark has been established in both BB and BCS, though.

 

[AnOminous]

Most likely. By that point Saul is already suggesting murders on his own and is deep into the drug game. And he has a long relationship with Mike as well who knows Nacho is dead.

Mike does NOT trust Saul. One should not impute Mike's knowledge to Saul, because that is what he has as his stock in trade.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Mike does NOT trust Saul. One should not impute Mike's knowledge to Saul, because that is what he has as his stock in trade.

Well Mike is a full fledged retard by the time BB rolls out so why would he not blurt things to Saul? He loses all of his money because of incompetence. And then gets owned by Walt a dozen times. Mike uses plastic zip ties to hold Walt hostage instead of having someone watch Walt, letting Walt easily escape. Then like a total buffoon has Walt pick up a bag with a gun in it that Walt uses to waste him. Mike's told by Nacho to kill Tuco. Mike cooks up the braindead plan of letting Tuco nearly beat him to death, get arrested for a gun charge (which fails), and then causes the Salamancas to threaten his entire family completely exposing him to the cartel. He tells Nacho that sniping Tuco is high risk. Yet a week later his granddaughter has cartel assassins pointing guns at her.

Mike is literally one of the dumbest characters in all of BCS and BB. Almost everything he does winds up failing in the short and long term. For all his master assassin writing he is basically a dolt at everything else. So I doubt that he would keep a secret from Saul if Saul asked because the question would almost be rhetorical at that point. "Hey Mike have you heard from Nacho or Lalo lately?". Any answer would tip off the truth.

 

[Chester Rigby]

The good ending:

Spoiler: -sob-

 

[Schmeckel]

Since life kinda got in the way, I've had to avoid this thread until I caught up with the most recent episodes.

Goddamn, do I love this show. The opening scene of a cleanup crew going through casa de Goodman had me glued to the screen looking for every little Easter egg or callback to things in Jimmy's past. I just so happened to have my attention when the bottle stopper for zafiro anejo rolled out of the drawer thing, so I had to rewind it a bit. I thought it was Marco's ring for a second, but when I hit rewind, I saw it was the cork. Activated the almonds a bit.

I hope the next episode has a Gene opening.

 

[Pringles Can]

Since life kinda got in the way, I've had to avoid this thread until I caught up with the most recent episodes.

Goddamn, do I love this show. The opening scene of a cleanup crew going through casa de Goodman had me glued to the screen looking for every little Easter egg or callback to things in Jimmy's past. I just so happened to have my attention when the bottle stopper for zafiro anejo rolled out of the drawer thing, so I had to rewind it a bit. I thought it was Marco's ring for a second, but when I hit rewind, I saw it was the cork. Activated the almonds a bit.

I hope the next episode has a Gene opening.

I doubt that next episode will have a gene opening (even though I want it so bad). If anything I think they are saving all of the gene stuff until part 2 of the final season, and this half will more focus on the fallout from lalo's failed assassination. The next half I think will focus more on gene.

If I'm wrong though, then I am totally fine with that, as so far this season has been the best TV I've seen in years.

 

[anti SJW]

I'm thinking the first Gene scene will be the same scene from season 5 opening. But as soon as Gene says "I'll take care of it myself" and hangs up the phone. It switches from black and white to color. Showing we are now "current." The rest of the episodes are all Gene.

 

[Yuri_]

Meme stolen from the chans.

 

[A Very Big Fish]

This leaves me with a question. So DID Saul know that Nacho was dead in that scene?

This also makes me gleeful that Lalo dies too. God I want that evil motherfucker to die, along with all Salamancas, the vilest scummiest cartel vermin ever. And Juan Bolsa, you had it coming you pathetic bag-man. God I hate all these vermin. Now that I'm over Nacho getting about the best out he had, but far too soon, absolutely fuck you all, fuck all Salamacas, as bad as I feel about Nacho, he set them on their road to ruin and that beautiful scene where Gus takes the entire family out.

You scum, you vermin, I hate you, you get taken out soon enough you fucking turds. And fuck Hector specifically. Mark Margolis has played this role before (Scarface), and it was amazing when he shot the already-dead Ignacio. Oh you just realized you got absolutely fucked by a dead guy? FUCK YOU you GODDAMN IDIOT! Glad you got to know what a loser you were and who you lost to.

It just adds to the nuance of the scene where *DING DING DING DING DING* FUCK YOU GUS.

I'm pretty sure Saul has no idea what happened with Nacho. Like I think he becomes aware that Nacho turns, because when he's kidnapped by Walt and Jesse, he says something like, "It wasn't me it was Ignacio, did Lalo send you?" and then refers to himself as a friend of the cartel. At least that's my guess.

 

[AnOminous]

Well Mike is a full fledged retard by the time BB rolls out so why would he not blurt things to Saul? He loses all of his money because of incompetence. And then gets owned by Walt a dozen times. Mike uses plastic zip ties to hold Walt hostage instead of having someone watch Walt, letting Walt easily escape. Then like a total buffoon has Walt pick up a bag with a gun in it that Walt uses to waste him. Mike's told by Nacho to kill Tuco. Mike cooks up the braindead plan of letting Tuco nearly beat him to death, get arrested for a gun charge (which fails), and then causes the Salamancas to threaten his entire family completely exposing him to the cartel. He tells Nacho that sniping Tuco is high risk. Yet a week later his granddaughter has cartel assassins pointing guns at her.

Mike is literally one of the dumbest characters in all of BCS and BB. Almost everything he does winds up failing in the short and long term. For all his master assassin writing he is basically a dolt at everything else. So I doubt that he would keep a secret from Saul if Saul asked because the question would almost be rhetorical at that point. "Hey Mike have you heard from Nacho or Lalo lately?". Any answer would tip off the truth.

Well that's just like your fucking opinion man.

I plan on watching Bio-Dome sometimes next month none of you motherfuckers better spoil me

Dumbledore gets AIDS and then dies of AIDS.

 

[Seventh Star]

Three episodes in and I am not so sure about this season. The pacing feels really off, and it's a bit... overindulgent, especially the camera work. Nacho's death seems very rushed, he's brought from Mexico to Gus in only one scene, too.

 

[Schmeckel]

Three episodes in and I am not so sure about this season. The pacing feels really off, and it's a bit... overindulgent, especially the camera work. Nacho's death seems very rushed, he's brought from Mexico to Gus in only one scene, too.

I didn't realize that this was the "Nacho n' Gus extravaganza." Yes, those two are big players in this show, but correct me if I'm wrong, the show is about how SAUL GOODMAN came to be. Fring and Varga are ancillary to the story, and help provide a bit of cohesion for the Breaking Bad universe as a whole.

 

[No0neKnows]

 

[Seventh Star]

I didn't realize that this was the "Nacho n' Gus extravaganza." Yes, those two are big players in this show, but correct me if I'm wrong, the show is about how SAUL GOODMAN came to be. Fring and Varga are ancillary to the story, and help provide a bit of cohesion for the Breaking Bad universe as a whole.

When did I ever say that? I think the pacing is all over the place for both parts of the story. If anything I want there to be less of Gus' side of the story, but it was just rushed too quickly. Nacho's death should have been closer to the middle or end of the season, if it should have happened at all.

And again, Nacho's side of the story happened way too quickly and hastily, while Saul is either going by too quickly (taking revenge on Howard), or too slowly (Jimmy knowing about Lalo). Some scenes take way too much time when that same time could have been used for something that would have made the story flow better.

View attachment 3231253

Can't blame him.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I didn't realize that this was the "Nacho n' Gus extravaganza." Yes, those two are big players in this show, but correct me if I'm wrong, the show is about how SAUL GOODMAN came to be. Fring and Varga are ancillary to the story, and help provide a bit of cohesion for the Breaking Bad universe as a whole.

I'll need to find it again, but Gould has more or less said these first three episodes centered a lot around Nacho because, clearly, it can't much going forward. The Saul stuff will be the bigger focus now. But a lot of why Saul Goodman was Saul Goodman was his almost Mary Sue-tier bodyguard and fixer, and connections to the seedy criminal underworld. People have complained about the cartel material for years, but all of it's important to setting up Saul being the go-to guy for every scumbag in New Mexico.

 

[AnOminous]

And again, Nacho's side of the story happened way too quickly and hastily, while Saul is either going by too quickly (taking revenge on Howard), or too slowly (Jimmy knowing about Lalo). Some scenes take way too much time when that same time could have been used for something that would have made the story flow better.

I disagree because as much as I wanted to see Ignacio get out of this, it just wasn't going to happen, and he himself realized that, and got out of it in the only way he could while also protecting his father. Mike, as miserable as he was about not being able to arrange anything better, will do his best to carry out that particular wish.

So why didn't Saul appear to know about this event later in BB?

 

[Schmeckel]

Nacho's death should have been closer to the middle or end of the season, if it should have happened at all.

I do not disagree with this at all. I also would have thought the Nacho plot would have resolved closer to the actual end. I figured that he'd cap himself after he was shown that his dad was in danger (kinda like when Jesse watched Todd kill Andrea) but just tilting their hand to show they're playing with house money.

It was a rush job to get the Nacho thing done, and it probably should have happened later... But with how unexpected it was, kinda gives a bit of "who's next?" in the saga of Gene at Cinnabon.