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Nacho's real death sentence was encroaching on Gus's personal beef with the Salamanca family (though not to any substantial fault of his own), and to be fair it's entirely worth it to just avoid having an awful cunt like Walter White be directly or indirectly responsible for his death if he had survived long enough to have a role in the Breaking Bad timeline.
 
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God of Nothing said:
old man was absolutely seething
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Hector also knows about Nacho's dad. I don't know that pumping a few rounds into Nacho's dead body would be enough to satisfy Hector's bloodlust and desire for revenge. I generally avoid theorycrafting with media as much as possible, but it's enough that I have to wonder if he'll try to go after Nacho's dad, maybe with Mike trying to protect him or something along those lines, and if that will tie up some of the things that TheHarbinger posted about earlier (Mike seeming to be unusually loyal to Gus later in BB etc).

Also maybe it's just the gun turbonerd in me, but I can't be the only one who was taken slightly out the scene by the strange unreality of the weirdly behaving gun and the cgi blood. I get why gun stuff in media is so ditigalized these days, but you'd think they could have at least made the slide on Nacho's gun reciprocate, or even just have some recoil.
 
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Bear Powers said:
Hector also knows about Nacho's dad. I don't know that pumping a few rounds into Nacho's dead body would be enough to satisfy Hector's bloodlust and desire for revenge. I generally avoid theorycrafting with media as much as possible, but it's enough that I have to wonder if he'll try to go after Nacho's dad, maybe with Mike trying to protect him or something along those lines, and if that will tie up some of the things that TheHarbinger posted about earlier (Mike seeming to be unusually loyal to Gus later in BB etc).

Also maybe it's just the gun turbonerd in me, but I can't be the only one who was taken slightly out the scene by the strange unreality of the weirdly behaving gun and the cgi blood. I get why gun stuff in media is so ditigalized these days, but you'd think they could have at least made the slide on Nacho's gun reciprocate, or even just have some recoil.
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Mike seemed willing to back Nacho if he went down guns blazing. Gus honoring Nacho's request would greatly improve Mike's image of him.

It's probably because of the Alec Baldwin incident.
 
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Bear Powers said:
Also maybe it's just the gun turbonerd in me, but I can't be the only one who was taken slightly out the scene by the strange unreality of the weirdly behaving gun and the cgi blood. I get why gun stuff in media is so ditigalized these days, but you'd think they could have at least made the slide on Nacho's gun reciprocate, or even just have some recoil.
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I was more concerned about his gun being useless when he submerged in the oil tanker, and would have remained so until he could break it down and clean it. Until then, he was unarmed and it stressed me out.
 
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Why the fuck would anyone think that Mike was about to back Nacho if it turned into a firefight? Mike was there specifically in case Nacho didn't hold up his part of the deal, so that if he went off script Mike would put a bullet in his head to make sure the Salamancas didn't take him alive.

No way he was gonna kill everyone there, or even just the Salamancas, if Nacho decided to open fire on them. I mean his fucking scope never leaves Nacho. What would be the end game for Mike here?

If he kills everyone tjere, then he has everyone left alive in Gus's organization, Don Eladio's cartel AND the Salamancas who are going to figure out real quick that's what happened and make sure he, his family, Nacho and his family and everyone related to them by even five degree dies horribly.

Suppose he kills the Salamancas, it's not like it's the end of their family, and now there's a full cartel war that's gonna be waged against Gus. Most likely, Gus would have his killed immediately and his head served on a platter to Don Eladio saying he never asked him to do that, etc..

Let's say that even if Fring decides to go to open war with the Salamancas, he still murders the fuck out of Mike for being so retarded that killed the Salamancas while he was there and forced him into a war he didn't want in the first place.

And why would Mike do that? He would have to go to his daughter, convince her right away that she and her daughter have to leave right this second and completely disappear, and for what? To save the life of fucking Nacho for no reason?

"Why was he sad at the end then?" Just because he might think it sucks that Nacho just blew his head off and he had to watch him do it, that doesn't mean he wasn't 100% there to kill him if he Nacho didn't hold up the end of his deal. If he had wanted him to survive, he could have helped while he was in Mexico or let him know. What did he do? Nothing. He was gonna let him die because 'It wasn't his call'.

I really don't know what show half of you are watching. The idea that Mike would open fire on the Salamancas or anyone there is beyond retarded and complete misreading of this scene.
 
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anti SJW said:
Sorry for my ignorance, whats van'd mean?
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the vacuum guy that teleports people to Alaska


when hector started levitating I froze for a second and started clapping straight away. what an amazing scene. 'bravo vince' - i was screaming like a girl

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God of Nothing said:
I was spoiled, but I thought there might have been ways for him out of it. Seemed like he accepted it and was tired in the end. He was a loose end regardless.
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No Gods, No Masters puto!

Nacho decided if he's going to die, it's going to be on his own terms.

Hector just taking potshots at the corpse was deliciously petty though.
 
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CWCissey said:
Hector just taking potshots at the corpse was deliciously petty though.
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What a faggot Hector is. What kind of man shoots at the corpse of his enemy? No man. No man at all. A crippled little rata.
God of Nothing said:
Mike seemed willing to back Nacho if he went down guns blazing. Gus honoring Nacho's request would greatly improve Mike's image of him.
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You can see how Nacho was willing to go down once he knew he could trust Mike to do the one thing he had promised to do. He knew he was a dead man walking the moment they had a guy watching him.
 
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AnOminous said:
What a faggot Hector is. What kind of man shoots at the corpse of his enemy? No man. No man at all. A crippled little rata.
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I mean, it seems like people only keep the Salamancas in the cartel because replacing them or taking care of their territory would be too much of a hassle. The first sit down with them asking him to calm down is far from their first. You can see it on the other guy's face: Salamancas pull that shit often. A man like Gus coming along seems to be inevitable with the amount of bodies they put down. Eventually, you'll put down someone dear to a guy willing and able to fuck up your entire family in retaliation.
 
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AlephOne2Many said:
Nacho's real death sentence was encroaching on Gus's personal beef with the Salamanca family (though not to any substantial fault of his own), and to be fair it's entirely worth it to just avoid having an awful cunt like Walter White be directly or indirectly responsible for his death if he had survived long enough to have a role in the Breaking Bad timeline.
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His death sentence was when Mike warned him that taking down Tuco Salamanca would result in his own death. That there was no turning back from that point. You either have to kill ALL of the Salamancas, which Gus actually does, or you will die instead when one of them kills you. No half measures. Or you quit being a drug dealer on the spot. Nacho instead decides to attack both Tuco through Mike, and Hector through the pills. And basically commits to the cartel life in the dumbest way possible by being a slave to both Gus and the Salamancas.

After Gus threatens his father he knows that his plan of replacing Tuco with someone more stable was pointless as everyone above him is a maniac like Gus or Eladio. So him replacing Tuco or Hector would never work as Gus or Eladio would just use their own soldiers not Nacho. Then Nacho plans for both him and his father to disappear with new IDs. But he takes too long making his move and just treads water until drowning. This is a tired cliche in crime drama where the criminal takes 'one last crime' before retiring then dies during his last bank robbery or whatever. Very very rarely does a character just leave. Sopranos did this with Furio and people still whine about that. Even the Russian in the woods is an example of that.
Tor Lugosi said:
I was fully expecting Nacho to die by the end of the show but definitely not like that, and not this early into the season.
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There are a bunch of BCS characters that are not in BB. Chuck, Howard, Nacho, Lalo, and Kim. Chuck and Nacho are dead. Jimmy hates Chuck so he never mentions him which works as an explanation. Nacho is mentioned once. Lalo will absolutely die as in BB we are told that the Salamancas are all gone aside from Hector.

That only leaves Kim and Howard needing in universe explanations for why we never see or hear about them. Howard dead? Kim with a new ID?
 
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Tor Lugosi said:
I was fully expecting Nacho to die by the end of the show but definitely not like that, and not this early into the season.
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just like neil druckmann subverted our expectations with last of us 2, vince subverted our expectations on the nacho plate spilling onto the ground, salsa everywhere
 
What do you call a Varga that isn't yours?
I forgot the punchline to this joke...
 
God of Nothing said:
I was spoiled, but I thought there might have been ways for him out of it. Seemed like he accepted it and was tired in the end. He was a loose end regardless.
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It was the only way he got out of it without his dad dying. I really didn't want to see him die, but he went out the only way he had left with anything like honor, so it was a pretty clean kill as Gilligan goes. Mike was not surprised but I think we know why he almost viewed Jesse as his last chance as a "father."
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What do you call a Varga that isn't yours?
I forgot the punchline to this joke...
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The deceased.
 
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