Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Vingle]

He told another neighbor that he was worried that "rejecting" his daughter's new made-up identity would result in his ex wife calling CPS or denying him time with his daughter. Poor guy.

She can't deny him anything, if it isn't written and gone through officials. So if she's retarded enough to do anything unofficially. It will hurt in the beginning for him, but it is proof that goes in his favour.

About the gender thing. She can't do shit without any diagnosis and a statement about playing pretend by a psychologist. Even then, he need to hear what the counsellors over the case for his kid says.
Him being calm and collected is key.

 

[Ser Prize]

At the end of the day this trend is extremely contagious. Even in 'based' communities you'll get someone being 'le based tranny'. It is truly inescapable, it seems.

 

[Opiophile]

Thankfully, none of my friends or family have been infected by the troon cult, but I have still had my run ins with this crazy shit. I spent 3-4 years working as a mentor at a group home for troubled/homeless teens. We had 2 group homes separated by gender, and I worked at the male home. Occasionally I would fill in for people at the female house, but I definitely preferred working with the boys. MUCH less drama, and all you really had to worry about was breaking up a fight. When the pandemic hit in 2020 though, the organization was forced to combine the boys and the girls into one home to save money, and it stayed that way until I quit a year and a half later. During my time there several girls we housed were under the delusion that they were some kind of trans or non-binary (keep in mind, i live in a rural midwestern state, so i was surprised the number was more than just one or two). The one that I became closest with and remember most I will call P.

P was the nicest 14 year old girl you ever met. Very shy, but once she became comfortable with you she really opened up. She was always kind to the other residents and tried her best to stay out of the drama, which was difficult. P really had a problem with her body though, as she was much more developed than other girls her age, and even a retarded guy like me could figure that shit out without much deduction. I had built a bit of a rapport with her and one day she came to me and told me she thought she might be trans. I put on my best poker facer and tried to keep my mouth shut and let her express her feelings to get it off her chest. I told her I would talk to my manager and see if we could get her some extra counseling or whatever they thought was best. I was convinced this girl was not trans, but the woman who runs the organization was extremely woke, so I knew that could become a problem and it worried me.

Fast forward a few months and P had been seeing a therapist about this issue and I could tell she was being brainwashed by the new therapist and the internet too I'm sure. Within a few months she was talking about wanting to buy and wear binders since her chest was impossible to hide otherwise, and also talked about starting testosterone therapy. This made my fucking skin crawl. I knew if she did those things to her body she would really regret it later, but there wasn't much I could do. I tried to very delicately talk to her about that, but it didn't go well. She instantly called me transphobic and shut me down completely. By the time I quit, the person in charge had been letting her use a binder for almost a year, and was trying to get her onto hormone therapy, as a fucking 15 year old. Thank god my state made this difficult. I loved that job and those kids I worked with, but I just had to quit when I found that shit out. Before I quit I gave it one last try to convince the managers and the owners that this girl wasn't trans, and that she is just uncomfortable with her body and the attention the boys give her because of it. She had sexual abuse in her past and that was another dead giveaway she was trying to avoid male attention at any cost, so the trans shit was her perfect solution. It breaks my heart, because she had other options to deal with the feelings she had, and trooning out wouldn't solve her problems anyway.

I still think about P every once and a while, and I hope she comes to her senses before she does any permanent damage to her body. Though, I'm sure after a year wearing a binder...that ship has probably sailed. I left out a lot of crap because I didn't want this to be a novel. Much love to everyone in this thread.

 

[fuknhek]

This might not belong here but this thread seems like the most compassionate one on the topic of trans stuff so here goes. Minor PL?

I’m part of a faith group that’s slowly integrating pronoun usage in their proceedings, and has seen a few members adopting ‘they’ pronouns. Most older attendees don’t seem to bother with any of this, but some younger members are enthusiastic about gender stuff. I wouldn’t mind too much, but I found out that one of the people staffing the children’s group has ‘they’ pronouns. I’m pulling my kid out over this. If asked why, I want to tell them the truth. Maybe that’s stupid and in the end I might decide to be a coward and just give some bullshit answer, but I think this is important and some people in this congregation might be wise enough to see my point.

I’m trying to come up with a good answer that will explain my position in a respectful way. This is what I think:

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Nobody can explain to me what this feeling of ‘gender’ is. I don’t understand what it means to feel like a woman, a man, both or neither. Some people feel really strongly about this. It’s a deeply held internal belief. A spiritual belief, really. And even though I’m willing to make room in my life for people who have different spiritual beliefs than my own, this is a spiritual belief that I don’t agree with. As I understand it, this belief in gender, and preoccupation with gender identity and expression, encourages dissociation from your body. I support anyone who wants to reject whatever unfair expectations are imposed on them because of their body, but gender ideology seems to dictate that the way to reject those expectations is to reject your body and pretend it doesn’t have a sex, or pretend that you can physically, surgically and medically change your sex. Given the limitations of our technology right now, this isn’t realistically true. We can’t create penises or uteruses. We can’t turn ovaries into testicles or vice versa. We just can’t. Men and women are different on a cellular level - in our bones, our organs, and our blood. The only changes we can make are primitive and cosmetic: high-dose hormones, removal of sex organs, and plastic surgery to create non-functional facsimiles of other sex organs. Gender ideology even encourages the undertaking of these costly and unhealthy changes in order to appear as ‘both’ or ‘neither’ sex, in accordance with this inner sense of gender.

I believe that our bodies are sacred and all of these procedures are profoundly disrespectful to our bodies - that they’re harmful, unhealthy, and ultimately futile. I believe that pretending our bodies don’t have a sex is foolish. If an adult wants to do this as part of their belief system, they certainly are allowed, but I believe it’s deeply unwise, and I don’t want any children in my life to be taught that this ideology is right.

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So that’s about it right now. Any other tips on how to argue this in a civil way to a spiritual group?

I’m ready to counter any point about how trans people have always existed in other cultures. I actually have a fair bit of knowledge in this area and I can tell anyone that modern trans ideology is different from, and disrespectful to a lot of traditional beliefs about sex and social roles, even where a ‘third gender’ exists.

And does anyone know of any religions that *aren’t* open to this ideology? Because I’m fully prepared to leave this community and find another one if they take this up as a cause to champion. So this will probably be on the topic of losing people to transgenderism after all.

 

[Muttnik]

This really sweet, gentle guy I used to date is now nonbinary. I'm kinda torn up about it. Would have never worked out, but he really was a sweetheart. I'm almost positive he did this because he couldn't keep hearing harpies online shrieking about how shitty cis het men are. That kind of shit always got to him.

Kinda blackpills me tbh. I love macho smartasses but I equally love quiet gentle types too. But most of them nowadays seem to troon out way too often. I guess guys aren't allowed to be chill and kind without being complete cucks or enbys.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

This might not belong here but this thread seems like the most compassionate one on the topic of trans stuff so here goes. Minor PL?

I’m part of a faith group that’s slowly integrating pronoun usage in their proceedings, and has seen a few members adopting ‘they’ pronouns. Most older attendees don’t seem to bother with any of this, but some younger members are enthusiastic about gender stuff. I wouldn’t mind too much, but I found out that one of the people staffing the children’s group has ‘they’ pronouns. I’m pulling my kid out over this. If asked why, I want to tell them the truth. Maybe that’s stupid and in the end I might decide to be a coward and just give some bullshit answer, but I think this is important and some people in this congregation might be wise enough to see my point.

I’m trying to come up with a good answer that will explain my position in a respectful way. This is what I think:

__

Nobody can explain to me what this feeling of ‘gender’ is. I don’t understand what it means to feel like a woman, a man, both or neither. Some people feel really strongly about this. It’s a deeply held internal belief. A spiritual belief, really. And even though I’m willing to make room in my life for people who have different spiritual beliefs than my own, this is a spiritual belief that I don’t agree with. As I understand it, this belief in gender, and preoccupation with gender identity and expression, encourages dissociation from your body. I support anyone who wants to reject whatever unfair expectations are imposed on them because of their body, but gender ideology seems to dictate that the way to reject those expectations is to reject your body and pretend it doesn’t have a sex, or pretend that you can physically, surgically and medically change your sex. Given the limitations of our technology right now, this isn’t realistically true. We can’t create penises or uteruses. We can’t turn ovaries into testicles or vice versa. We just can’t. Men and women are different on a cellular level - in our bones, our organs, and our blood. The only changes we can make are primitive and cosmetic: high-dose hormones, removal of sex organs, and plastic surgery to create non-functional facsimiles of other sex organs. Gender ideology even encourages the undertaking of these costly and unhealthy changes in order to appear as ‘both’ or ‘neither’ sex, in accordance with this inner sense of gender.

I believe that our bodies are sacred and all of these procedures are profoundly disrespectful to our bodies - that they’re harmful, unhealthy, and ultimately futile. I believe that pretending our bodies don’t have a sex is foolish. If an adult wants to do this as part of their belief system, they certainly are allowed, but I believe it’s deeply unwise, and I don’t want any children in my life to be taught that this ideology is right.

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So that’s about it right now. Any other tips on how to argue this in a civil way to a spiritual group?

I’m ready to counter any point about how trans people have always existed in other cultures. I actually have a fair bit of knowledge in this area and I can tell anyone that modern trans ideology is different from, and disrespectful to a lot of traditional beliefs about sex and social roles, even where a ‘third gender’ exists.

And does anyone know of any religions that *aren’t* open to this ideology? Because I’m fully prepared to leave this community and find another one if they take this up as a cause to champion. So this will probably be on the topic of losing people to transgenderism after all.

This is honestly tl;dr, they will get the gist that you aren't going to respect muh pronouns and just reeeeeeeeee over whatever else you say.

I'd be able to give better advice if I had a clue which religion you're talking about, even vaguely (Christian, Buddhist, etc). Any religion that uses the Genesis creation story as a basis for belief it's easy- "male and female God created them" and then God said it was good. Be fruitful and multiply etc. As for theybies, they sound like the demoniac Jesus cured who said "we are legion." It's not normal or good for a human to be non-specific and muddled up.

As general advice just keep it short and to the point. "I will not call a singular person they, and I will not indoctrinate my child that this should be done or is normal. It is immoral and wrong and I am appalled to see it being advocated for in my place of worship."

 

[Nate Scully 025]

This might not belong here but this thread seems like the most compassionate one on the topic of trans stuff so here goes. Minor PL?

I’m part of a faith group that’s slowly integrating pronoun usage in their proceedings, and has seen a few members adopting ‘they’ pronouns. Most older attendees don’t seem to bother with any of this, but some younger members are enthusiastic about gender stuff. I wouldn’t mind too much, but I found out that one of the people staffing the children’s group has ‘they’ pronouns. I’m pulling my kid out over this. If asked why, I want to tell them the truth. Maybe that’s stupid and in the end I might decide to be a coward and just give some bullshit answer, but I think this is important and some people in this congregation might be wise enough to see my point.

I’m trying to come up with a good answer that will explain my position in a respectful way. This is what I think:

__

Nobody can explain to me what this feeling of ‘gender’ is. I don’t understand what it means to feel like a woman, a man, both or neither. Some people feel really strongly about this. It’s a deeply held internal belief. A spiritual belief, really. And even though I’m willing to make room in my life for people who have different spiritual beliefs than my own, this is a spiritual belief that I don’t agree with. As I understand it, this belief in gender, and preoccupation with gender identity and expression, encourages dissociation from your body. I support anyone who wants to reject whatever unfair expectations are imposed on them because of their body, but gender ideology seems to dictate that the way to reject those expectations is to reject your body and pretend it doesn’t have a sex, or pretend that you can physically, surgically and medically change your sex. Given the limitations of our technology right now, this isn’t realistically true. We can’t create penises or uteruses. We can’t turn ovaries into testicles or vice versa. We just can’t. Men and women are different on a cellular level - in our bones, our organs, and our blood. The only changes we can make are primitive and cosmetic: high-dose hormones, removal of sex organs, and plastic surgery to create non-functional facsimiles of other sex organs. Gender ideology even encourages the undertaking of these costly and unhealthy changes in order to appear as ‘both’ or ‘neither’ sex, in accordance with this inner sense of gender.

I believe that our bodies are sacred and all of these procedures are profoundly disrespectful to our bodies - that they’re harmful, unhealthy, and ultimately futile. I believe that pretending our bodies don’t have a sex is foolish. If an adult wants to do this as part of their belief system, they certainly are allowed, but I believe it’s deeply unwise, and I don’t want any children in my life to be taught that this ideology is right.

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So that’s about it right now. Any other tips on how to argue this in a civil way to a spiritual group?

I’m ready to counter any point about how trans people have always existed in other cultures. I actually have a fair bit of knowledge in this area and I can tell anyone that modern trans ideology is different from, and disrespectful to a lot of traditional beliefs about sex and social roles, even where a ‘third gender’ exists.

And does anyone know of any religions that *aren’t* open to this ideology? Because I’m fully prepared to leave this community and find another one if they take this up as a cause to champion. So this will probably be on the topic of losing people to transgenderism after all.

Unfortunately for your last question, that’s rather hard to give advice for. I’m a Roman Catholic, for example, and my church is primarily made up of people much older than I that probably have never even seen a trans person… but the higher ups of the Church are much more open to the ideology these days. That might change with the next Pope, but ultimately you’ll have to gauge it on a community by community basis. Choosing groups that tend more elderly (40-50+) is more likely to help, but it’ll also depend on where you are. Regardless of the religion and beliefs, more lefty areas are going to allow more of that sort of thing in than areas that lean more to the right.

And I think just the simplest explanation is probably the best, if you have to explain why you’re removing your child. Simply say that you aren’t comfortable with the potential undue influence that such ideals might have on a young mind. Although… I think you ultimately might want to just cut your losses and go with a bullshit answer. If there’s people you’re particularly close to and seem more on the fence about this sort of stuff, maybe talk to them privately about your real reasoning, but the people that have already drank the Kool-aid are almost certainly not going to be swayed by a ‘bigots’ words… and keep in mind, if you share your legitimate thoughts with the true believers of this shit (and maybe even if they just suspect that’s the actual reason), that is what you’ll be called, to either your face or behind your back. Just… be prepared for that.

Hope that is of at least some help!

 

[Aunt Carol]

Nobody can explain to me what this feeling of ‘gender’ is. I don’t understand what it means to feel like a woman, a man, both or neither. Some people feel really strongly about this. It’s a deeply held internal belief. A spiritual belief, really. And even though I’m willing to make room in my life for people who have different spiritual beliefs than my own, this is a spiritual belief that I don’t agree with.

This is my main beef with the gender movement, and I'm coming at it from the opposite side as you. It's a brand new religion, one that's found a loophole to get government support. If L. Ron Hubbard were here today, he'd be a thriving they/them surrounded by underage teens in international waters; doubly untouchable.

Assuming that your faith group is based on a religion with sacred texts and established doctrine, they should be able to point to where this gender-as-a-second-soul stuff is. If it were that important, it should have come up before!

I could see a church making the argument for reaching people where they are, being polite to genderspecials in hopes of not alienating them from faith in a harsh world. Putting someone who's following the gender religion in charge of children, however, seems an awful lot like endorsing it.

 

[Pecano]

I'm not quite sure if I'm losing someone to it (might be copium on my part), but it's fucking weird. I won't get into details, but I have a family member who has a twitter and year or so ago my friend "accidently" found it and it was just dumb twitter shit on there we lightly made fun of. The other night my friend got me into a private discord call and said to check his twitter. I had completely forgot about it at this point, but checked it and he was calling himself "she/her" and the tweets are 99% trans related. He said he identifies as a "cishet" (retarded term for average heterosexual), but then why tf is he calling himself "she/her". There's also a video I found where he's doing this girly voice, but it sounds ridiculous because it sounds like him when he would mock my mom.

There's also a tweet from months ago which he deleted of people celebrating him and he has a girl name now. He moved out a month or so back and I asked my mom about it and she said last time she saw him ( a week ago), he was the same old person.

Ngl, it's quite a shock and it made me mad seeing all these fucking weirdos and him interact with each other on twitter. Obviously people are more sanitized in real life, but he's a completely different person online. All these fuckers that are lauding him have no idea who the fuck he really is and it's mind blowing. It's really sickening to me because he used to bully me all the time when we were kids and all that shit. It hurt reading all this.

 

[jellygender]

I’m part of a faith group that’s slowly integrating pronoun usage in their proceedings, and has seen a few members adopting ‘they’ pronouns. Most older attendees don’t seem to bother with any of this, but some younger members are enthusiastic about gender stuff. I wouldn’t mind too much, but I found out that one of the people staffing the children’s group has ‘they’ pronouns. I’m pulling my kid out over this. If asked why, I want to tell them the truth. Maybe that’s stupid and in the end I might decide to be a coward and just give some bullshit answer, but I think this is important and some people in this congregation might be wise enough to see my point.

You should say something. Don't give a BS answer. Part of what's perpetuating this whole thing is ppl being "kind" and not rocking the boat, which creates a false impression that everyone is on the gender cult's side. The more people speak up and essentially point out the emperor is wearing no clothes, the sooner it can lose some of its power.

I don't know that you need to go into such great detail w/ your reponse (though I agree with every word of what you wrote) unless you have it set up as a formal meeting or conference to discuss. Even a simple "I don't believe in gender ideology and think it destabilizes children's sense of identity & mind/body integrity, therefore we can't continue here" (or whatever you think) gets the point across. It may change no one's mind in the moment, but speaking up – even briefly – casts a vote that can be considered by the group later, in aggregate, if others speak out too. Plus, one person speaking out usually creates openings for others to do so. There may be more people there who agree with you than you think.

Curious to know more about what religion/faith group you are pursuing, if you are open to disclosing. At least from what I can see re Christian churches, there is quite a buffet to choose from – anywhere from prog rainbow churches who actively court TQs while encouraging the self-flagellation of white cishets to hardline fundamentalist ones... and everything in between. And a number of denominations that have split internally due to these issues.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

Live in the present, not in the past or the future-to-come. Sure, they used to be pretty alright, and sure, maybe they could turn it around, but right now, they're a drain on you at best. A lot of people who go through rough patches, when you try to help them out - you'll have to grit through the vitriol or the bile, but you'll also get a sense of them underneath. Sometimes that's a trap, but sometimes it's also a sign that your efforts have a purpose, so you might be able to help them. But you can never really 'save' them, given that's up to them.

I agree with this. There's people I used to really like who transgendrified themselves who I've thought of going back to "save". I'm lucky enough to have realized they would just drain what little energy I had and that there was nothing I could say to snap them out of it. I lack the patience to deal with the potential vitriol or bile so it's best just to fuck off and leave them alone.

Anyone who has the patience to deal with their friends' new identities is a saint, to be honest.

 

[Kupier]

The day has finally come, friends. A friend of my best/oldest friends has come out as trans, and he will be at our outing this week. I don't care about this guy, don't know anything about him except that he's married to a religious girl. We have all known eachother for a very, very long time, but he and I are the only ones not aquanited. I will need to be respectful and professional. I don't know how this is going to go.

Really trying not to out myself, but I know the chances of anyone from this group finding me here is next to 0. None of us in this group are Republican or conservative. I am probably the most right-leaning, but I am a very understanding person.

I was the only one in the group chat to not react to his little, brief "coming out" post, and was messaged by someone else asking if I had seen it. I stated that I will be respectful, but I have reserved feelings about this. No response yet.

I know this isn't any real contribution to the thread. I'm really worried that I'm going to slip up and get in trouble with some of my best friends, who I know are pro-trans, but don't know how I feel about it. We have never had a conflict in our years and years of friendship. I am not good at lying or putting on a poker face. This will be my first time dealing with a freshly cracked "egg".

Wish me luck, friends. If anything happens, I will be back here. While trans shit is everywhere, no one I know is actually keyed in to how complex / batshit it is.

 

[fuknhek]

You should say something. Don't give a BS answer. Part of what's perpetuating this whole thing is ppl being "kind" and not rocking the boat, which creates a false impression that everyone is on the gender cult's side. The more people speak up and essentially point out the emperor is wearing no clothes, the sooner it can lose some of its power.

I don't know that you need to go into such great detail w/ your reponse (though I agree with every word of what you wrote) unless you have it set up as a formal meeting or conference to discuss. Even a simple "I don't believe in gender ideology and think it destabilizes children's sense of identity & mind/body integrity, therefore we can't continue here" (or whatever you think) gets the point across. It may change no one's mind in the moment, but speaking up – even briefly – casts a vote that can be considered by the group later, in aggregate, if others speak out too. Plus, one person speaking out usually creates openings for others to do so. There may be more people there who agree with you than you think.

Curious to know more about what religion/faith group you are pursuing, if you are open to disclosing. At least from what I can see re Christian churches, there is quite a buffet to choose from – anywhere from prog rainbow churches who actively court TQs while encouraging the self-flagellation of white cishets to hardline fundamentalist ones... and everything in between. And a number of denominations that have split internally due to these issues.

You put it much more succinctly than I ever could, thank you.

And thanks to @Larry David's Opera Cape , @Aunt Carol , and @Nate Scully 025 for your replies.

Huge PL but I feel like I'm starting to feel a rift over this, and I'm fully prepared to cut ties... It's a Quaker congregation. Very open-minded, rooted in values but not dogma.

I'm hesitating because they we do believe in meeting people where they are. In this particular location at least. If a Muslim woman in full niqab came to Meeting, we would all be very welcoming and respectful. But I wouldn't want her teaching our kids why women should wear a niqab.

I'm afraid of being accused of discrimination. Which is a valid concern. If a teacher on the local school were a catholic nun, I couldn't necessarily object. I think a nun could do her job of teaching kids the curriculum without instructing them in Catholicism.

But... gender ideology is so... contagious, for lack of a better word. Even people I know who love and admire trans people have observed that for young people, it's not cool just be 'cishet'. Trans = trendy, counterculture, rebellious and fun. Maybe it's dumb to try to shield my kid from this at all, when it's inevitable that all kids will encounter this movement.

But fuck, I just can't stand it. I think it's harmful. I don't want my kid to be around people who think that pronouns and identity are more important than bodies and sex. Just by demanding that people affirm their identities... is *promoting* their identity as valid. When honestly I think that gender identities are bullshit. I don't know how to say that in a way that's respectful, even on this damn fruit farm.

I think if I leave and tell them in writing why, that will be the only thing that will sway some people, and their might be some public debate about it. My complaints might be noticed because actually there aren't a whole lot of kids in this community, and it's a big deal when a parent pulls away.

So, yeah. That's the situation. If anyone has any further thoughts on how to argue my point in a religious context, please enlighten me.

Thanks for listening, everyone. Just typing this all out has been a big help, actually.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

You put it much more succinctly than I ever could, thank you.

And thanks to @Larry David's Opera Cape , @Aunt Carol , and @Nate Scully 025 for your replies.

Huge PL but I feel like I'm starting to feel a rift over this, and I'm fully prepared to cut ties... It's a Quaker congregation. Very open-minded, rooted in values but not dogma.

I'm hesitating because they we do believe in meeting people where they are. In this particular location at least. If a Muslim woman in full niqab came to Meeting, we would all be very welcoming and respectful. But I wouldn't want her teaching our kids why women should wear a niqab.

I'm afraid of being accused of discrimination. Which is a valid concern. If a teacher on the local school were a catholic nun, I couldn't necessarily object. I think a nun could do her job of teaching kids the curriculum without instructing them in Catholicism.

But... gender ideology is so... contagious, for lack of a better word. Even people I know who love and admire trans people have observed that for young people, it's not cool just be 'cishet'. Trans = trendy, counterculture, rebellious and fun. Maybe it's dumb to try to shield my kid from this at all, when it's inevitable that all kids will encounter this movement.

But fuck, I just can't stand it. I think it's harmful. I don't want my kid to be around people who think that pronouns and identity are more important than bodies and sex. Just by demanding that people affirm their identities... is *promoting* their identity as valid. When honestly I think that gender identities are bullshit. I don't know how to say that in a way that's respectful, even on this damn fruit farm.

I think if I leave and tell them in writing why, that will be the only thing that will sway some people, and their might be some public debate about it. My complaints might be noticed because actually there aren't a whole lot of kids in this community, and it's a big deal when a parent pulls away.

So, yeah. That's the situation. If anyone has any further thoughts on how to argue my point in a religious context, please enlighten me.

Thanks for listening, everyone. Just typing this all out has been a big help, actually.

You're at a crossroads. This is either your first big step into discovering and accepting a lot of possibly difficult and painful truths. Or the spot at which you turn and run away back into the oblivion of brainwashed complacency because what you see just over the horizon is too unsettling.

You can have courage and continue towards the truth. Your Quaker group is beyond hope. You have to shake the dust off your feet- knowing how far many of those congregations are from their evangelical Christian roots, I don't even know if the New Testament is referenced often enough for that quote to resonate with you now. But it will with time. You will see the wisdom in it.

You are sensing the presence of a Chesterton's Fence that these folks want to tear up. After you have walked away from the madness of their group you will begin to realize that they tore up a lot of other fences to get to the edge of the precipice they are on

 

[Ultrapenguin]

You should say something. Don't give a BS answer. Part of what's perpetuating this whole thing is ppl being "kind" and not rocking the boat, which creates a false impression that everyone is on the gender cult's side. The more people speak up and essentially point out the emperor is wearing no clothes, the sooner it can lose some of its power.

I don't know that you need to go into such great detail w/ your reponse (though I agree with every word of what you wrote) unless you have it set up as a formal meeting or conference to discuss. Even a simple "I don't believe in gender ideology and think it destabilizes children's sense of identity & mind/body integrity, therefore we can't continue here" (or whatever you think) gets the point across. It may change no one's mind in the moment, but speaking up – even briefly – casts a vote that can be considered by the group later, in aggregate, if others speak out too. Plus, one person speaking out usually creates openings for others to do so. There may be more people there who agree with you than you think.

Curious to know more about what religion/faith group you are pursuing, if you are open to disclosing. At least from what I can see re Christian churches, there is quite a buffet to choose from – anywhere from prog rainbow churches who actively court TQs while encouraging the self-flagellation of white cishets to hardline fundamentalist ones... and everything in between. And a number of denominations that have split internally due to these issues.

The thing is that it's always sort of framed as being "less kind" to not agree with gender bullshit, but I don't think that's true. You're being cruel by not going along with it in the same way that you're being cruel by disagreeing with someone who's considered shooting smack to get through tough times; yeah, it would absolutely make thing easier in the short term, but that's extremely short lived and you're well aware of how it turns out.

It isn't happiness, the gender people are drug dealers trying to get these unhappy and confused people hooked for personal benefit, and they can't see past the initial euphoria (or don't want to) of finally having a sense of control and belonging and having everything figured out to see that.

In that sense though the gender shit isn't the core of the problem, and I think it's a big mistake to view it as such. It's a symptom of much more dire societal issues that are making people feel powerless, hopeless, isolated, and like they have nowhere else to turn.
So you can go to a different church but without deeper rooted communal factors supporting it it'll eventually turn out the same way, expressing the same symptoms of the same underlying problems.

 

[KID NAMED SCHWARMAPUNK]

What even is transgenderism? Some kinda schizophrenia offshoot?

 

[Kosher Dill]

Our public education curriculum is overun by groomers and leftists, and kids here are being taught gender identity at a young age.

It's worse than that - after the initial push from adults to get it started, the kids are grooming each other now.

I have a young family member (pre-puberty age) who is currently getting sucked in to gender nonsense. The public schools aren't even the worst influences - they've had a few "Hooray For LGBTQ" sort of lessons but the teachers are surprisingly more level-headed than I'd expect.
The real issue is that there are a few problem children out there from genuinely abusive households, who proceed to act out (and spread) the sexual weirdness they're exposed to. And the rest of the children, having been programmed to encourage anything, will act as cheerleaders for all of it and amplify it rather than pushing back.
Worst of all - there doesn't seem to be one single environment for children free of these bad influences. You can't just say "change schools" or "quit this one after-school activity". As near as I can tell, the only solution would be moving to another state, homeschooling or carefully selecting a private school, and building up an entirely new social circle specifically geared toward raising children safely. For various reasons, it doesn't seem like this is going to happen and I can't make it happen for them.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

And does anyone know of any religions that *aren’t* open to this ideology? Because I’m fully prepared to leave this community and find another one if they take this up as a cause to champion. So this will probably be on the topic of losing people to transgenderism after all.

Try conservative Baptists - if that's your cup of tea. The ones in my town are holding the anti-LGBT lines very strongly.

 

[Free the Pedos]

I’m part of a faith group that’s slowly integrating pronoun usage in their proceedings, and has seen a few members adopting ‘they’ pronouns. Most older attendees don’t seem to bother with any of this, but some younger members are enthusiastic about gender stuff. I wouldn’t mind too much, but I found out that one of the people staffing the children’s group has ‘they’ pronouns. I’m pulling my kid out over this. If asked why, I want to tell them the truth. Maybe that’s stupid and in the end I might decide to be a coward and just give some bullshit answer, but I think this is important and some people in this congregation might be wise enough to see my point.

On a related note, I was helping hire for a part time job in my religious community, which I thought was too conservative for this BS. I was wrong. Half of the applications I've gotten so far are from they/thems. I've tried to give them a fair hearing (big mistake), and they're as fucking mentally ill as you would assume from their pronouns.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

What even is transgenderism? Some kinda schizophrenia offshoot?

Couldn't tell ya, apparently studying it is a hate crime