The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[mensch]

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The forbidden gummy bear.

 

[IncestualMayoMonkeys]

You can screech and howl till the cows come home. Your emotional appeals don't mean anything. Murder is still wrong, and yes, a child's right to life supersedes a woman's non-right to kill her own offspring. No amount of flabbergasted faux-outrage will change that. Now, you going to tell us which arbitrarily chosen week of pregnancy life begins at, and why? Or are you going to keep ignoring that uncomfortable little issue in favor of more pointless caterwauling?

your entire stance on abortion is based on emotional appeal. what do you base your morals on? you base it on your emotional perception of an action. somehow you’ve allowed the far right convince you a embryo is the exact same thing as a fully developed human. there is NO such thing as a “right to life” for one and not the other. Since pregnancy can lead to death, you’re contradicting yourself.
I honestly believe life for humans starts at consciousness. So around 26w. Babies could potentially survive outside the womb between 21-22 weeks but that’s a decision for the woman imo. But rarely do abortions even happen that late and when they do it’s usually doctor recommended.

 

[gang weeder]

your entire stance on abortion is based on emotional appeal. what do you base your morals on? you base it on your emotional perception of an action. somehow you’ve allowed the far right convince you a embryo is the exact same thing as a fully developed human. there is NO such thing as a “right to life” for one and not the other. Since pregnancy can lead to death, you’re contradicting yourself.

Well, to the extent that you consider "murder is wrong" to be an emotional appeal, yes. The whole sticking point here that creates the disagreement is that we both agree murder is wrong, we simply don't agree on what counts as a person. The best definition for personhood clearly cannot be determined by raw emotionality, or else a neo-Nazi's sincerely felt emotional perception that Jews are not people would be equally as valid as your emotional perception that children in the womb are not.

I honestly believe life for humans starts at consciousness. So around 26w. Babies could potentially survive outside the womb between 21-22 weeks but that’s a decision for the woman imo. But rarely do abortions even happen that late and when they do it’s usually doctor recommended.

This should be fun. Define "consciousness."

 

[Manah]

I was implying age, not autistic american school drop out political sperging.

So you're arguing politics with someone you think is a literal child? The state of this fuckin site man.

Well, to the extent that you consider "murder is wrong" to be an emotional appeal, yes. The whole sticking point here that creates the disagreement is that we both agree murder is wrong, we simply don't agree on what counts as a person. The best definition for personhood clearly cannot be determined by raw emotionality, or else a neo-Nazi's sincerely felt emotional perception that Jews are not people would be equally as valid as your emotional perception that children in the womb are not.



This should be fun. Define "consciousness."

I've never heard of a fetus complaining about it's treatment.

Contrast babies, the mentally retarded, animals, any subgroup of humans, etc.

 

[gang weeder]

I've never heard of a fetus complaining about it's treatment.

Contrast babies, the mentally retarded, animals, any subgroup of humans, etc.

Does this imply that personhood is defined by the ability to vocalize complaints?

 

[IncestualMayoMonkeys]

Does this imply that personhood is defined by the ability to vocalize complaints?

That’s what led us to our social contracts

Well, to the extent that you consider "murder is wrong" to be an emotional appeal, yes. The whole sticking point here that creates the disagreement is that we both agree murder is wrong, we simply don't agree on what counts as a person. The best definition for personhood clearly cannot be determined by raw emotionality, or else a neo-Nazi's sincerely felt emotional perception that Jews are not people would be equally as valid as your emotional perception that children in the womb are not.



This should be fun. Define "consciousness."

The definition of personhood is literally the active state of being a person. This clearly supersedes race, ethnic background, and any other socially constructed grouping we’ve created to value and devalue others. So I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at. Do you think my logic is comparable to your racism and xenophobia? Don’t tell me, you’re going to accuse me of ableism.
An embryo is not a person, it is an embryo. A fetus is not a person, it is a fucking fetus.

Define consciousness? The ability to suffer.

 

[All Cops Are Based]

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Except you frequently call the unborn "parasites" at absolutely any stage of development like all the other bitter catlady terfs do here, and you're okay with abortion at any trimester, so we're obviously not talking about the earliest stages of human development, retard. Are you seriously too scared to defend your own position?

 

[gang weeder]

The definition of personhood is literally the active state of being a person. This clearly supersedes race, ethnic background, and any other socially constructed grouping we’ve created to value and devalue others. So I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at. Do you think my logic is comparable to your racism and xenophobia? Don’t tell me, you’re going to accuse me of ableism.
An embryo is not a person, it is an embryo. A fetus is not a person, it is a fucking fetus.

"The definition of personhood is being a person." Well gee, that sure clears things up, thanks for that. Not sure where racism and xenophobia came into the picture here. This statement is pretty funny though: "An embryo is not a person, it is an embryo. A fetus is not a person, it is a fucking fetus." Let me help you out a bit with that:

An embryo is not a person, it is an embryo. A fetus is not a person, it is a fucking fetus. An infant is not a person, it is a fucking infant.

So oy vey, better let women smother their infants or else you literally want women to die, or something. Oy gevalt!

Define consciousness? The ability to suffer.

The ability to suffer when? Only right now in the present moment? Because that would mean headshotting people while they're asleep or otherwise knocked out doesn't count as murder. But if you expand it to include the ability to potentially suffer in the future, this would obviously include a fetus at any stage of development from zygote onwards.

 

[IncestualMayoMonkeys]

"The definition of personhood is being a person." Well gee, that sure clears things up, thanks for that. Not sure where racism and xenophobia came into the picture here. This statement is pretty funny though: "An embryo is not a person, it is an embryo. A fetus is not a person, it is a fucking fetus." Let me help you out a bit with that:

An embryo is not a person, it is an embryo. A fetus is not a person, it is a fucking fetus. An infant is not a person, it is a fucking infant.

So oy vey, better let women smother their infants or else you literally want women to die, or something. Oy gevalt!



The ability to suffer when? Only right now in the present moment? Because that would mean headshotting people while they're asleep or otherwise knocked out doesn't count as murder. But if you expand it to include the ability to potentially suffer in the future, this would obviously include a fetus at any stage of development from zygote onwards.

Lol. Where were you going with this dude?
I just gave you the definition of personhood. An infant is a person.

How would shooting someone in their head not count as murder? Suffering is not a criteria for murder. Murder is having the intent and action to take a person’s life. I’m not even understanding what you’re getting at with the “future suffering”Why are you redefining words to make your argument? Shouldn’t that be a red flag that maybe you’re, I don’t know, wrong?

 

[gang weeder]

Lol. Where were you going with this dude?
I just gave you the definition of personhood. An infant is a person.

How would shooting someone in their head not count as murder? Suffering is not a criteria for murder. Murder is having the intent and action to take a person’s life. I’m not even understanding what you’re getting at with the “future suffering”Why are you redefining words to make your argument? Shouldn’t that be a red flag that maybe you’re, I don’t know, wrong?

"The definition of personhood is the ability to suffer. Suffering is not a criteria for murder."

Sigh. Well, I tried. Give those two statements a little bit more of a longer think in that little noggin of yours. Maybe once you've calmed down you'll have a chance at something resembling coherence.

 

[IncestualMayoMonkeys]

"The definition of personhood is the ability to suffer. Suffering is not a criteria for murder."

Sigh. Well, I tried. Give those two statements a little bit more of a longer think in that little noggin of yours. Maybe once you've calmed down you'll have a chance at something resembling coherence.

1) I said the definition of consciousness was the ability to suffer.
2) Just because suffering isn’t a criteria for murder doesn’t mean the definition of murder changes.
3) Every single point you’ve made thus far has been a complete straw man.

How about you actually take time to understand what people are saying before you rebuttal with shit that doesn’t make sense.

 

[gang weeder]

1) I said the definition of consciousness was the ability to suffer.
2) Just because suffering isn’t a criteria for murder doesn’t mean the definition of murder changes.
3) Every single point you’ve made thus far has been a complete straw man.

How about you actually take time to understand what people are saying before you rebuttal with shit that doesn’t make sense.

No, I have been very deliberate in asking you what you think so that you can tell us in your own words. That is the opposite of a straw man. I asked you when life begins, to which you said when consciousness begins, to which I asked you to define consciousness, to which you said "the ability to suffer." Ergo, you believe that the ability to suffer is the key qualifier for a human life. This would also imply that killing a human being who is not capable of suffering (such as one who is unconscious) does not count as murder, since they are just a bag of inanimate meat if they are not able to suffer (again, your words, not mine--obviously I find all of this to be utterly absurd and farcical).

Let's see if you can squeeze these concepts through your skull this time or if you'll only be able to respond with more wild flailing.

 

[IncestualMayoMonkeys]

No, I have been very deliberate in asking you what you think so that you can tell us in your own words. That is the opposite of a straw man. I asked you when life begins, to which you said when consciousness begins, to which I asked you to define consciousness, to which you said "the ability to suffer." Ergo, you believe that the ability to suffer is the key qualifier for a human life. This would also imply that killing a human being who is not capable of suffering (such as one who is unconscious) does not count as murder, since they are just a bag of inanimate meat if they are not able to suffer (again, your words, not mine--obviously I find all of this to be utterly absurd and farcical).

Let's see if you can squeeze these concepts through your skull this time or if you'll only be able to respond with more wild flailing.

No dude, no. But nice try.
You asked me where does life begin, meaning at what point during gestation do I consider the fetus alive, I stated when there’s consciousness. You asked me to specify consciousness and I told you the ability to suffer. Ergo, I consider any fetus that is conscious as having the ability to suffer. You are 1000% presenting a straw man argument. I was not talking about a person. If a person was once conscious, and is no longer conscious it doesn’t mean their existence as a person is negated. You can be unconscious and be murdered because the definition of murder has literally NOTHING to do with consciousness.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

 

[Cilleystring]

I say Null features this thread lets get things even more wild in here

 

[Mark Antony]

Not everyone on this site is a raging racist like you bro. Tho I agree it's weird how neither Gang Weeder nor Eris-Chan are all for it while they support deporting them to Africa.

Guess we'll never understand white ethno-nationalist fundamentalists.

What does abortion and slavery have in common? White supremacists wanting to control the black woman's body.

If 13% of blacks commit 50% of crime, that means that every single black person in America would be a criminal since they make up 13% of the population as a whole. Do you really not see how the 13/50 claim is dumb as fuck?

Just because you are good at fellatio doesn't mean you must suck at math.

Yeah, no shit retard. My point is that my definition of when human life begins is not arbitrary, and all other attempted definitions are. Hence my constantly pointing out to you people that your qualifiers for "life" often exclude infants and would allow infanticide if followed sincerely.

Let me see if I can mimic the IncestualMayo person here. Ahem. Oy vey, what if a woman has an infant and she decides she doesn't want it after all, she's not ready, she has post partum depression and she just doesn't want to live anymore having to take care of this screaming shitting ball of cells! What if she gets so depressed that she literally kills herself because she can't kill the infant instead?!?!?!! Wouldn't that be literal murder!?!?!?!?!?! Oy gevalt!

You're at trolling but you haven't yet mastered the craft. Weaponise feminism: Show the women that their peers in developing countries have a higher national happiness index. Frustrate your "allies" like @SSj_Ness by foiling their appeal to humanism or bastardised religiosity. Take @Hollywood Hulk Hogan in close combat. Be creative: Entertain contradicting ideas and provide a solution out of your ass that's so shit not even jannies can flush it. Be relentless. Be efficient. Have a plan to piss off everyone you meet.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I know your bible said that Jesus fed 5000 people with just a few loaves and fishes, but the real world doesn't work that way. People, even poor people, need to pay rent, eat, etc.. and living isn't cheap, especially when forced to bear and raise a kid by some religious zealots like yourself.

Even if you're without children then you qualify for food stamps, nobody is hungry unless they sell those for crack. If you have a kid like in your scenario, you get enough handouts to find a place to live.

It's unnecessary to commit crime, and especially joining gangs is completely retarded.

Your insults are so fucking stale, "zealot qtard bigot REEEEE". You talk about religion more than a fucking priest, and certainly more than I do.

Says the evangelical fundie who loves his elderly, obese GOP politicians.

Yeah, you definitely want his cheeto in your mouth.

Again, I realize your admitted crippling autism has removed human emotions from you, but some of us do care about others. It's called empathy.

I wish, then I wouldn't feel disgust and hatred for piece of shit SJWs. Then again, I wouldn't be able to laugh at you faggots either.

You are literally accusing pro-choice people of being groomers, that's some QTard shit.

All leftists are groomers, has nothing to do with Qtards, retard.

You are literally forcing women to have babies,

Oh, I raped them? Must be sleep-walking and sleep-raping, my bad bro.

all because you're angry people are having sex.

Just a bullshit ad hominem talking point, use contraceptives/get sterilized and fuck like rabbits if so desired, literally nobody gives a shit you moron.

You can't actually argue so you make shit up, call people qtards and incels, then think you won. Nobody with half a brain buys your bullshit, you're so transparent I can wrap you around a sandwich to keep it fresh.

Lol sorry the truth hurts, Erischan. If you don't want to be called a QTard boomer, maybe stop acting like an evangelical puritanical boomer and stop accusing everyone you don't like of being a pedo.

So you want to call me a qtard zealot incel boomer and then complain about being called a groomer?

At least there's an actual basis for my claim, libtards are pedophiles, groomers, and groomer accomplices. All you have to do to prove you're not one of those things is simply tell me you that you support Florida's Parental Rights in Education bill. Do you?

On the other hand, you're making unfalsifiable, slanderous claims about me. How can I prove I'm not a zealot? It's retarded because anybody Christian is automatically a zealot to you, Christianophobe.

Well, before you admitted to being incel, so I will go with that. At one point, Erischan, you acted like you had no sex drive but now I see you were coping.

Is that honestly where all this shit is coming from, Feetloaf again? Maybe he is an admitted Qtard incel zealot, but I'm not Feetloaf. Get that shit through your fucking skull.

Nah, you don't seem like a nazi. You are a QTard though.

Fuck you, Qtards are almost as retarded as you Wokeists are. I'm not Feetloaf, so if he was a Qtard then don't apply that shit to me. I honestly don't even know much about them except they're conspiracy theorists who supposedly believe in crazy shit like time travel.

There's no reasonable explanation for wanting the government to control people's bodies. I guess you're fine with forced vaccines and forced organ donation, too. So much for your GOP QTards wanting a smaller government.

You know the difference between forced organ donation and willful impregnation, you're a retard but you're not that retarded (but you are a disingenuous little prick, hence you spewing that utter nonsense).

Ah ha, "repent". You are a religious nut.

See? Any mention of religious beliefs gets met with "zealot" and "religious nut". The most mild things trigger you, I bet you flip the table at holiday gatherings if someone dares to utter a little prayer at dinner.

You're fucking unbearable, you're a walking stereotype.

I think you need to look up what a groomer is, retard. Just like women's bodies, you don't seem to understand that, either.

Neither do you, since you think a separate organism dwelling within their body (which is only there in 99% of cases due to their willful decision to allow it) is their body ("BoDy AuToNoMy").

"REEEEE WOMEN ARE HAVING SEX REEEEEEE WE MUST FORCE THEM TO HAVE BABIES EVERYONE PRO CHOICE IS A GROOMER" - That's you, Erischan.

"REEEEE BOTH MEN & WOMEN ARE HOLDING PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT HAVING SAFE SEX REEEEEEE THEY MUST BE STOPPED FROM SAVING BABIES EVERYONE PRO LIFE IS A QTARD BOOMER INCEL RELIGIOUS ZEALOT"

That's you, faggot.

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

there is NO such thing as a “right to life” for one and not the other

You might wanna run a check because, last time I checked, the founder, IE, the guys that wrote the constitution that determine what your rights are, expressly and in no uncertain terms said the following:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain anlienable Rights, that among thse are LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

You have a right to live and be alive in this country. Every fucking law we have is in the spirit of perserving life until it proves itself unworthy of having life.

There is not a right to an abortion.
There is not a right to force your neighbors to have a vaccine mandate
The Fed is not allowed to pass laws preventing you from butt fucking your consensual neighbor

There's a shit load of stuff stupid niggers like yourselves think are rights but are not, and a shit load of stuff you think are rights and are not. If you ignorant niggers bothered to read once in your life, and if you're failing public school teachers would have taught you critical thinking at any point, the constitution is a pretty straight forward document, when combined with the Declaration of Independence that does a VERY good job of laying out what rights you have, what the Fed or State can do to you, and what their intent behind these documents is/was.

 

[gang weeder]

No dude, no. But nice try.
You asked me where does life begin, meaning at what point during gestation do I consider the fetus alive, I stated when there’s consciousness. You asked me to specify consciousness and I told you the ability to suffer. Ergo, I consider any fetus that is conscious as having the ability to suffer. You are 1000% presenting a straw man argument. I was not talking about a person. If a person was once conscious, and is no longer conscious it doesn’t mean their existence as a person is negated. You can be unconscious and be murdered because the definition of murder has literally NOTHING to do with consciousness.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

"You can be unconscious and be murdered because the definition of murder has literally NOTHING to do with consciousness." This would also imply that when you kill a fetus, consciousness does not factor into it, and therefore it is still murder despite the victim lacking consciousness. So you sort of actually arrived at the correct answer, albeit completely unintentionally and in a really roundabout retarded way. Still, nice job.

 

[veri]

The penalty should be death for anyone who murders their child.

yea i agree. a fetus isn’t a child though and abortion isn’t murder

 

[snailslime]

lol just leaving this here to piss some crusty misogynists off