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It would be one thing to say that the destruction of the death star was a conjunctive effort where, if one failed, all failed as well and that Skywalker only delievered the last but very vital shot.

There is paying respect to the rebels that lost their lives in the conflict and not glorify a single person and then not glorifying a vital member and then fully glorify ananother.
Lucas and company understood enough of WWII to know for any major operation like Operation Overlord, and Battle of Midway had many components where everyone had their part to do. Where everything goes right you get the already mentioned examples. Or if enough people fucked the football and you'll get the major defeat like the Battle of Savo Island for the USN.

I have problems with Rogue One and Vader isnt one of them. People acting like he doesnt crack a soft sarcastic joke at the expense of his associates when he does ocassionally, especially if they are annoying him and/or getting in the way of what he wants. As long you are respectful to him and do your job, Vader will have no beef with you and might even let a few minor mistakes fly under his radar.
Vader is cool enough to not force choke the MFer who drank the last of the coffee and didn't refill the pot. Vintage Star Wars Robot Chicken is canon.
 
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Not necessarily SW related but the reviews for the new Top Gun sequel called Top Gun Maverick came out yesterday and apparently it's pretty good, so basically it's nothing like the sequel trilogy. I think it was a real missed opportunity to make Top Gun "grow up" for once and take the franchise in a new direction.
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And speaking of diversity and inclusion in sci fi I remembered the new boring looking Buzz Lightyear cashgrab flick coming out. They made a cartoon series based on Buzz Lightyear that had a diverse cast of fun alien characters, and the show overall was great too.
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So what did Disney decide to do for Lightyear, a property with a galaxy full of unique aliens and far off planetary adventures? Make the main cast a bunch of humans.
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Seriously what the fuck.
 
Why worry about pleasing an audience when you can get darkies, faggots, and your latte sipping serfs jump in front of the knives of cruel words for you and try to use social shame to cull them?

They think that praise on Twitter represents the majority opinion. They don't realise most people don't use Twitter and the extreme biases in those that do. Of course any negative response on Twitter is just trolls, incels and Russian bots.

The creators aren't looking after the company's success by providing what the audience wants. They're just looking for personal validation and praise on social media.
 
And speaking of diversity and inclusion in sci fi I remembered the new boring looking Buzz Lightyear cashgrab flick coming out. They made a cartoon series based on Buzz Lightyear that had a diverse cast of fun alien characters, and the show overall was great too.
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So what did Disney decide to do for Lightyear, a property with a galaxy full of unique aliens and far off planetary adventures? Make the main cast a bunch of humans.
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Seriously what the fuck.
And it's not like that show didn't have its own black and female characters. You had a blue-skinned princess, as well as the commanding officer of the Space Rangers who was a black man.

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So it's not like that show lacked for diversity. Especially with the man barking orders at the whole good guy faction being black.
 
I think my main problem with Rouge One is the need to explain "The obvious weakness" in the Death Star, the movie would probably work a lot better if they where just stealing the Death Star's schematics to try and find a weakness and then deciding that the exhaust vents from the main gun would suffice, especially since in Episode 4 we are shown that the computer specifically desinged to make the shot misses several times and its only once Luke uses the force that he lands the shot, meaning that even the best pilot in the universe would have been unable to destroy the Death Star (unless he had the force), and suddenly it makes sense the emperor thinks that only a powerful force user could destroy the Death Star, that probably means that less than 1% of the galaxy could destroy it so the odds are really low.

I did enjoy the Vader Hallway scene tho
 
thats because (((they))) genuinely don't see anything different between them and blacks, they're supposed kindred spirits. If it weren't for the fact that the goyim might end up just abandoning the idea of race altogether (((they))) would 100% force trans-racial bullshit into the mainstream.

You can even see this in their myths, jews feel closer to Africans than europeans because of Noah or some bullshit like that. even upper class privleged kids like the beastie boys or the buzzfeed creator and his oakland friends or big jay oakerson all feel closer to blacks than whites.

thats also why most wiggers especially in the 80s and 90s were more like jiggers. normal people knew they were ridiculous. its not even diversity so much as a bizarre case of nepotism. you can see this in interactions too, Corey Booker felt closer to whites than Jon Lebowitz and was blatantly offended at Jon edging himself to the idea of killing whites.

blacks are also more of a nerd crew like people, they 100% embody the "enjoy thing, don't think about it, get ready for new thing" they rarely have discussions about their media beyond surface level. reddit is a great place for them in that respect. you'd never hear more than an extreme minority go over the minutiae of Tyler Perry's works or the Girlfriends' universe or Shonda Rhymes productions.

TL;DR political sperging, but they always pick blacks because they feel closer to blacks than whites. and blacks are perfect consumers
Spoilers cause this has nothing to do with Star Wars.

As a resident crypto-jew Kiwi I gotta say lol no. Jesus fucking Christ Israel was caught sterilizing their black jew population.

Ashkenazi Jews (the dominant population of Jews) identify with Eastern Europe because that's where a lot of the families were from before getting the fuck out and into America. Unique family comfort food for me is my Grandmother's Beef Stuffed Cabbage. Closest I can find to her recipe originates from Romania, and my Grandmother along with her mother only lived in America.

A Jewish father wants to die if his daughter dates a black man... just like any Caucasian father barring Swedes.
 
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And it's not like that show didn't have its own black and female characters. You had a blue-skinned princess, as well as the commanding officer of the Space Rangers who was a black man.

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There's something a little depressing about some pretty decent spinoff of a popular property being discarded and forgotten because it's not canon, or not part of 'the films', or 'just a cartoon', or because some stupid shithead thinks they can do better. Kathleen Kennedy, Paul Feig, Kevin Smith, etc. With the disclaimer that while young Lovechild devoured every Star Wars novel the public library had, he didn't stick with it as long as some in this topic, and some things like the tyranids species 8472 monster minds yuuzhan vong still sound like a mildly retarded un-Star-Warsy contrivance and a suggestion that some spinoffs maybe carry on too long.
 
More ginger erasure.

There's something a little depressing about some pretty decent spinoff of a popular property being discarded and forgotten because it's not canon, or not part of 'the films', or 'just a cartoon', or because some stupid shithead thinks they can do better. Kathleen Kennedy, Paul Feig, Kevin Smith, etc. With the disclaimer that while young Lovechild devoured every Star Wars novel the public library had, he didn't stick with it as long as some in this topic, and some things like the tyranids species 8472 monster minds yuuzhan vong still sound like a mildly retarded un-Star-Warsy contrivance and a suggestion that some spinoffs maybe carry on too long.
They act like that when they come out with something new, then when the money dries up and the fans walk away, they're forced to whore out to those same fans and dangle familiar figures in order to regain public confidence.

I believe the pattern goes like this:

1) Company buys out popular IP.
2) Thanks to the "right" people being influencers, the company puts activist SJWs in charge who think they're hot stuff.
3) The new authors in charge of the IP set aside a lot of old lore to put in their new one, saying that it will be better.
4) The new authors and the company belittles the old lore in comparison to their new lore, saying that it's canon/better.
5) The new stuff flops with audiences, the company men panic, the investors start asking questions.
6) The company then returns to pandering to the fans and brings back parts of the old lore they discounted to get fan money.

Rinse and repeat. That's why you had Disney calling fans sexist, pushing Rey and TLJ into the forefront in 2017, followed by TCW and OT pandering with Season 7 of TCW and the Mandalorian in 2019. Between the two, the fans showed Disney that milking the franchise like this and pissing off the fans isn't profitable, and I'm pretty sure more than a few Disney shareholders were angered by the sight of angry fans and SW toys rotting on the shelves.
 
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Some SW fans I knew pretty much swore off SW books after NJO and LOTF. To them, Star Wars begins with Tales of the Jedi and ends with Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. The heroes of the OT succeed in rebuilding the Republic and the Jedi Order, they defeat the mightiest of the Ancient Sith Lords in a final battle on Korriban, and all's well that ends well. Democracy reigns, the Jedi are restored, and it's a happy fairy tale ending for this space fairy tale saga.
I swore it off a couple books into LOTF. Making a certain someone an outright villain was lazy and cheap, and the characterization of Luke and the other Jedi was too much to take. At one point Luke murders an unarmed prisoner and feels no remorse over it, he tortures his nephew instead of justly killing him, and he leads an insurrection against the government because they won't obey his orders. I gave the follow-up series a chance and read the first book but it was full of Jedi literally flying through the air like superheroes and once again getting pissy at anyone that doesn't obey them.

The NJO was a masterpiece compared to the books that followed. There were a few books that could have been left out with no problem, like the goofy drunken Han saga or Jaina's PMS episode, while Traitor is full of eye-rolling philosophy and goofy shit like Jedi using green lightning. The ending was tarded (OMG we can't kill the Muslims Vong because they're people like us with feelings!) but it set Jacen up as Luke's potential successor and seemed to promise cool stories in the future (but we know how that turned out).

tl;dr - the old EU had a lot of shit in it.
 
A while back, there was some conversation in this thread about how Anakin’s turn to the dark side felt somewhat forced. Well, there’s a reason for that. The turn we got in the movie was not how it was originally scripted and filmed.

In the initial shooting script, the scene at Palpatine’s office where he reveals himself to be a Sith does not result in Anakin threatening to kill him. Instead, he decides to stay with Palpatine, and effectively joins the Sith right then and there. That’s when Mace Windu and the others show up and the battle starts. In this version of the battle, Anakin is present the entire time, instead of arriving when Mace has Palpatine cornered.

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These are the only known photos of this version of the scene. It’s never been released to the public. When Lucas screened the rough cut of the film for his friends, they were confused as to what Anakin’s motivation for turning was. So, he decided to tweak things a bit so that Anakin’s desire to find a way to save his wife from dying would be the main cause of his downfall.

To accommodate this change, several scenes had to be rewritten or removed. A subplot featuring Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Padmé, and a few other senators forming a precursor to the Rebel Alliance was completely cut out, as Lucas felt that Anakin’s story was more important. A new scene where Anakin consults with Yoda about his “premonitions” was shot. The aforementioned office scene was significantly reshot so that Anakin rejects Palpatine’s offer. Anakin meeting Mace Windu in the hangar to warn him about Palpatine was also a part of this rewrite, and, in fact, was the very last scene shot for the movie during pickups. As mentioned before, Mace and Palpatine’s duel originally had Anakin watching them, but was later changed so that he arrives halfway through. Finally, the scene where Anakin actually turns was rewritten.

Unsurprisingly, Lucas wasn’t able to fix everything. There are certain things left over from the original plot that remain in the film. Palpatine was supposed to fight Mace with Anakin’s lightsaber, but this was changed when Anakin was removed from the scene. However, there are some shots during the duel where Palpatine can be seen using Anakin’s saber, but with the blade recolored to red. I guess they thought nobody would notice that the two lightsabers look completely different?

Also, a lot of lines from the original script remain unchanged. Anakin’s infamous “From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!” line is one of them.

For more information about the odd script rewrites of this movie, check this article out: http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/theturn.html
 
and suddenly it makes sense the emperor thinks that only a powerful force user could destroy the Death Star,
Hell, it even reinforces Vader's prior line about the Death Star's capability to destroy planets was still inferior to the force.

Seriously though, I never got the complaint that the moon-sized station having a small hole as a weakness that you needed the schematics to even find was ridiculous. The way people talk about it, you'd think it was a video game boss with the giant glowing weak spot.
 
I swore it off a couple books into LOTF. Making a certain someone an outright villain was lazy and cheap, and the characterization of Luke and the other Jedi was too much to take. At one point Luke murders an unarmed prisoner and feels no remorse over it, he tortures his nephew instead of justly killing him, and he leads an insurrection against the government because they won't obey his orders.
LOTF as a concept sickens me as a SWEU fan, and as a historian, it makes little sense to me. So the galaxy that suffered through the Clone Wars, the Galactic Civil War, and the Yuuzhan Vong Wars wants to go through another galactic war over stupid politics? It would have made more sense if Garm Bel Iblis had a disagreement with the leaders of the Alliance and that caused the split, since he's a patriot against the Empire and one of the early rebel leaders, but they follow Thracken-Sal Solo? Really? And the Alliance war heroes go to war against the very same Alliance that they stood by against the Empire and the Vong? It makes no sense, and it just proves Palpatine was right about the galaxy and its politicians.

The ending was tarded (OMG we can't kill the Muslims Vong because they're people like us with feelings!) but it set Jacen up as Luke's potential successor and seemed to promise cool stories in the future (but we know how that turned out).
Agreed, but the decline with the SW book fandom began with NJO. A lot of them really didn't like the Vong, (even though I liked the concept of the Vong and the first half of the story). Many book fans walked away during or after NJO, and even more walked out after LOTF, since, as you said, Jacen was set up to be Luke's potential successor, but the stories that they ended up with ruined the promise of Jacen leading a new Jedi Order. And yes, you are right in how the ending made no sense. Although to me, it made no sense how a weakened New Republic and Empire who were getting their bottoms deflowered by the Vong suddenly had the spine to not only halt their advance, but to knock them back and completely defeat them. That's like what if Britain single-handedly invaded Fortress Europe and took Berlin after beating back the Nazi air raids.

If that was the case, then the Empire at the height of its power, or hell, even the Clone Wars-era Republic, would've been able to easily beat them. It destroys the threat level and coolness factor of the enemy if they are easily defeated by such pathetic forces such as the remnants of the Empire and the New Republic. The least they could have done is have a good explanation why the Vong started losing, be it the Allied forces bringing out new weapons projects, like say, mass-manufactured Dark Troopers, World Devastators, a new Galaxy Gun, or the Jedi coming up with something, like Luke and his students using Battle Meditation or Force Storms and turning the tide of entire battles in favor of the New Republic or the Imperial Remnant.

And yes, it is rather weird that they couldn't just deal with the Vong after all they did. Perhaps the Vong should've been driven to a corner of the galaxy where their forces had to live under Imperial/New Republic occupation, have the Vong be ruled by the Jeedai heretics among them, or they should have been banished from the galaxy altogether. But just letting them off the hook like that made no sense. That's like if we defeat the Nazis but we let them keep Germany unoccupied, even after finding out about all they've done. At least the Vong version of the Reconstruction after the American Civil War or a partition of Vong space a la Germany post-1945 should have been done.

You could even have some tension between the Jedi and the Empire by having the Empire force much of the Vong warrior caste into slave labor to accelerate the rebuilding efforts after the war, and the Jedi would complain about that because see slavery as immoral, but then many leaders and much of the galactic populace agree with what the Empire is doing because they suffered so much under the Vong, and there are even those who believe the Empire hasn't gone far enough. There's your plot for a new post-Vong era conflict; the Jedi would simply want to rehabilitate the Vong, the rest of the galaxy wants them enslaved or worse. That would make far more sense than the "MUH PLANETARY NATIONALISM" crap that LOTF went with.

tl;dr - the old EU had a lot of shit in it.
The key is to sift through the shit and throw it out, and treasure the stuff which was great.
 
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The canon explanation for how the Vongs lost was that they got obsessed with the Jedi (despite roflstomping the New Republic and smaller powers while being obsessed with the Jedi at the same time for basically the whole war) and with Coruscant taken they diffused their effort (going on multiple far flung mop up offensives). Then the old lions of the Republic and Empire like Wedge and Pellaeon started kicking their asses because they were so smart (despite their participation in the war from almost the beginning not making much difference) and the New Republic (Galactic Alliance, whatever) pulling huge numbers of warships out of its ass despite losing many fleets' worth of them at Fondor and Coruscant and smaller battles

Basically the bad guys have to lose of course so they lost because. It doesn't have to make much sense. They could have put in a line somewhere that the galaxy was not on a total war footing until the Vong invasion was already halfway to the Core worlds or something and once it mustered its full strength the Vong didn't have the resources to match it, but they never did so far as I recall
 
The canon explanation for how the Vongs lost was that they got obsessed with the Jedi (despite roflstomping the New Republic and smaller powers while being obsessed with the Jedi at the same time for basically the whole war) and with Coruscant taken they diffused their effort (going on multiple far flung mop up offensives). Then the old lions of the Republic and Empire like Wedge and Pellaeon started kicking their asses because they were so smart (despite their participation in the war from almost the beginning not making much difference) and the New Republic (Galactic Alliance, whatever) pulling huge numbers of warships out of its ass despite losing many fleets' worth of them at Fondor and Coruscant and smaller battles.
That's why it makes no fucking sense. At least have the Jedi use powers like Battle Meditation or Force Storm and turn the tide of entire battlefronts against the Vong; that would explain A) the obsession with the Jedi that the Vong have, and B) why they started losing.

Basically the bad guys have to lose of course so they lost because.
That's the kind of logic that Disney Star Wars runs on. It's disingenuous to criticize Star Wars Rebels for pulling off shit like that, while giving the Vong novels a free pass for essentially doing the same thing.

It doesn't have to make much sense. They could have put in a line somewhere that the galaxy was not on a total war footing until the Vong invasion was already halfway to the Core worlds or something and once it mustered its full strength the Vong didn't have the resources to match it, but they never did so far as I recall
It has to make sense. This isn't a movie, this is a book series where things are supposed to be well-explained. Part of the reason why the Thrawn books sold so well was because they explained in detail how things work and what the plans of both sides are, which had the effect of making the readers invested, which gave the series a good reputation amongst audiences.

This explains why so many fans walked away from the NJO series. Not only did they see the new enemy as an overpowered mess, but the way they were defeated makes even less sense than Stormtroopers getting battered by Ewoks on Endor. At least there, the Ewoks were surprisingly cunning, and they had the element of surprise, as well as the rebels helping them.
 
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We wouldn't have all this without him. Thanks for all the good memories, George!
 
That didnt take away from Krennic, simply established he is extreme naive to think he can just request a meeting with the emperor, get told no by Vader and dont get the hint the conversation is over.
So they decided to establish that the main villain is a complete dumbass because God forbid we actually find the Empire threatening like in the OT. That's why they decided to make the First Order a bunch of clowns who constantly get their shit kicked in by the retarded Resistance and have the Darth Vader ripoff be a whinny school shooter.

I will say the most OT-like thing they did was kill the entire main cast, and they weren't entirely a complete parody like the FO was.
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Hell, it even reinforces Vader's prior line about the Death Star's capability to destroy planets was still inferior to the force.

Seriously though, I never got the complaint that the moon-sized station having a small hole as a weakness that you needed the schematics to even find was ridiculous. The way people talk about it, you'd think it was a video game boss with the giant glowing weak spot.
There wasn't even a guarantee that taking out that one thermal exhaust port would have done it either. The Death Star must've had more of them. That port was probably the only one that had a straight line to the core.
 
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There wasn't even a guarantee that taking out that one thermal exhaust port would have done it either. The Death Star must've had more of them. That port was probably the only one that had a straight line to the core.
The model had several of them on each pole. That one was the only one that directly led to the core. So even if you did know to shoot for them, you would have to play roulette with them.
 
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