Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Kung Pow Cream]

Been thinking about this. Couldn't tell you when I hit peak trans, or if I even have yet, but I can tell you what started me off. Bruce Jenner.

Not him transitioning, funnily enough. Didn't much care either way about that, and even respected him some for holding off until the kids were full grown. He'd done his duty as Dad to his kids, so whatever, right?

It was the other trannies jumping on him and immediately demanding he started representing them and speaking out. That self centeredness honestly appalled me.
I mean - if you take them at their own words, "a man finally transitioning to the woman he's always considered himself to be" certainly deserves a bit of space and me time to adjust to the change and just enjoy "feeling right for once."
Made me look at trannies in a whole new light, and it was one of those things you can't unsee once you've seen it.

For some reason there's been a growing trend of people screaming at celebrities and brands to say something about the news or about minority rights.

 

[veri]

when i saw the first article complaining about "vagina centric imagery" at the women's march, i think that marked the definitive point of things going downhill for good. now it's considered bigoted to say that a man isn't biologically female. in fact, biologically female doesn't exist! sex isn't real and gender is just a feeling! how does a vagina haver know they're a woman? trans women are MORE valid that vagina havers because of how brave they are. masculine women exist so therefore you should let me share a restroom with your 6 year old daughter. don't mind my full face of hair, it doesn't make me any less VALID. i want to have lesbian sleepovers with 13 year olds because i'm a true and honest lesbian raised in a cisnormative heteronormative transphobic society that took my femal childhood away from me! you should let your 8 year old consent to puberty blockers like a supportive non abusive parent, you're LITERALLY killing people!

how did it go from "i am a man but want to live my life as a woman" to "lesbians should be curbstomped for not taking my dick" THAT quick?

 

[Bloody Kotex]

Since a transgender beauty queen shows women how to be a real woman on television. Her defenders argue that because she was once a man, she understands what men are like and that women should learn from her how to please men.

it's so bizarre.

 

[Baraadmirer]

Since a transgender beauty queen shows women how to be a real woman on television. Her defenders argue that because she was once a man, she understands what men are like and that women should learn from her how to please men.

it's so bizarre.

TIL a real woman knows how to please men.

 

[theshep]

I used to be fully supportive of trans people a live and let live kind of attitude. Totally retarded. I wish I had the views I have now back then, because if that was the case (and more people had those views back then) things wouldn't be like they are now. I wasn't peaked by one incident in particular, but by the oncoming snowball/avalanche of random incidents. (This is over like 15 years, mind you).

This encroaching on peoples spaces (and sense of entitlement) really grinds my gears, though. Oh you can't have a lesbian event if you don't include 'trans women (men)'.

Fuck off. No such thing as a girl dick. You're a man. End fucking of.

 

[Skookum Jim]

Fuck off. No such thing as a girl dick. You're a man. End fucking of.

This shit in particular is such a non-starter for me. I tried having an honest conversation about some of the issues with the trans "community" with one of them, and when I brought this up their response was honest to god "Some Lesbians like dick though!" I don't know enough about Lesbians to know whether or not this is true, but even if it is, the key aspect here is that they don't want dick from a man, which is indisputably what an MtF is. They try and pull that shit in the bedroom and whatever part of our deep lizard brain psyche that governs sexual attraction is going to immediately shut off for a Lesbian, there's just no getting around it.

 

[The Only Fruit]

I’m not sure whether there was anything in particular.

I’d grown up aware of a few rare trans people (e.g. James/Jan Morris who was a well known British journalist/author and transitioned in the late 60s/early 70s) and was always vaguely/generically supportive of that kind of situation.

Spending time on social media later in my life I wanted to remain accepting and open minded and supportive, but found myself increasingly uneasy because I couldn’t make sense of what ‘feeling like a woman’ or ‘having a female brain’ could possibly mean if you didn’t have a female body.

There was a moment on Twitter when a woman I’d followed for a while, and interacted with a bit, whose take on life I much appreciated and enjoyed, shared a link to a very gently questioning article about gender. And I saw a message fly round Twitter: “so-and-so is a TERF! Block her! Block her!”. I simply wasn’t willing to do that.

Out of curiosity I started investigating what trans people were actually saying and arguing, and that probably ‘peaked’ me far more than any terf or transphobic arguments I could read.

I’m very willing to be accommodating and accepting and polite to all sorts of people, however they present, but when a group of men tell me I have to over ride my basic understanding of reality, all the evidence of my senses and my accumulated embodied experience, and believe they are exactly the same as biological women, even when they’re very obviously not, that’s a hard stop for me.

So here I am.

 

[25 Invisible push-ups]

For me it all started with "people who menstruate" and people insisting that it was inclusive. I never agreed with this term, because women menstruate. However, my issue wasn't necessarily that because sure, in theory people who don't consider themselves women could still menstruate*, the issue was the removal of the word women. If it was really inclusive they could've said "women and others who menstruate" (if this even needed to be said at all, which it didn't.) Slowly but surely I began to see how the removal of the word "woman" was done purposely in a way zone out the meaning of the word. The argument "but what about women who had a hysterectomy? Are they not women?" was not asked because people cared about women, it was asked to inflict a sense of guilt in the woman asking the question. Note- I've never met a woman who either had a hysterectomy or was menopausal that held a personal grudge against other women who could menstruate. Companies adopted "gender neutral" terms that could've easily been replaced with the word "woman" and then when the word was reintroduced it suddenly had a different meaning.

I truly believe the core issue lies with the sentiment that "trans women are women" because if they are, in fact women, they should have access to all the facilities women have access to (because they are women after all). This has never been about inclusivity, and it's mostly women and the LGB side of the community being affected the most by this nonsense. Women are expected to share spaces with men who can simply claim to be a woman, and if women speak up about it they're transphobic bigots, TERFs, nazis, terrorists, fascists and on the wrong side of the history.

It's scary to see that not enough is being done to safeguard women and children. I used to be very willing to be polite and even use "proper" pronouns, but that was a mistake because all it did was make the TRAs want to take more and more from women. From our sporting games, to our titles "woman of the year" and even our safe spaces. Trans women identifying as women can also potentially cause a big issue regarding the gender data gap (Invisible Women is a great read). Researchers already don't include enough women in their tests, but sooner rather than later they will start inviting trans women instead of actual women, getting even more worthless data out of it. (Also the amount of "women" committing sexual assault has gone up quite drastically in the last few years in the UK alone. Thanks guys.)

Trans women are men, they will never be women. I'm done with these delusions. Stay the fuck out of our spaces.

*non binary is dumb. Non binary only exists because of stereotypical gender roles.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

non binary is dumb. Non binary only exists because of stereotypical gender roles.

I sexually identify as a vrukvan. Just because I cannot define what a "vrukvan" is does not mean it's not some bullshit I just made up or pulled from a random alien name generator, the mere fact that I identify as one is proof that vrukvans exist. And if you say I'm fucking retarded, that means you're just erasing my existence and being a bigot.

Pweese stop being meen to me. :<

 

[IceGray]

Like others in this thread, it was several cumulative incidents of troons acting out that made me reconsider my opinions on the T.

Dema, an ex-volunteer for Artix Entertainment, made no secret of being a transwoman. It would be one thing if Dema had kept her NSFW tendencies out of work, I even shrugged it off when she played up the frilly pink stereotype. But when chat logs of her ERP were found clearly linked to her, I was uneasy.

My last straw was when Haven & Hearth basically became one "gamer troon's" playground because he used his "female" status as a way to shout down actual women and play up to misogynist stereotypes. Especially that women are wimpy weeping hysterical porn sluts and manipulative uppity bitches who must be purged or enslaved by the incel rebellion. Just didn't sit well with me.

He also claimed to be the frilliest "girl" ever while using abuser logic* to shoot down anyone playing H&H in ways he hates, such as not treating it like an idle MOBA RPG.

Now I see why women like Rowling say the current trans are just parasites and failed men. Has there ever been a trans woman who didn't go "Teehee, I'm the sparkliest, frilliest little girl that ever existed!"

*"It's your fault I attacked you!" "You tempted me!" etc.

 

[smegma lover 69]

I hope it's not too late to make a post in this thread.

Anyway, for me it was kind of recent. I kept seeing people talk about promoting the use of puberty/hormone blockers for literal children, and if they weren't allowed it, that was "child abuse". Even pushing people under 18 to get surgery. I felt afraid to speak up about it, considering how much of a woke hivemind Twitter is, like "hey, maybe it's a bad idea to fuck children up for life at such a young age."

It felt like I was stuck in a sea of yes men that never used critical thinking for these kind of things, or that even taking HRT as an adult can cause a bunch of unwanted side effects. Agree with us or go fuck yourslef. Agree with us or you're encouraging child abuse.

Not to mention that so much of being trans revolves around misery; you claim to be happier since you transitioned, but you still look depressed and dead inside in your selfies. The fact that you could be having a normal day but have an emotional breakdown over being misgendered, posting that it makes you think of self-harming or killing yourself, made me realize that all of this revolves around being mentally ill. If everyone doesn't align with their beliefs, if you call someone with a full beard and Adam's apple a man even though they're wearing a wig, they'll kill themselves and the blood will be on your hands.

Like, identify however you want, because it's not my choice to tell you who you are or who you should be. But if you just decide to stop using your brain and only blindly agree with everything that's being fed to you, then don't expect me to go along with that shit.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I hope it's not too late to make a post in this thread.

Anyway, for me it was kind of recent. I kept seeing people talk about promoting the use of puberty/hormone blockers for literal children, and if they weren't allowed it, that was "child abuse". Even pushing people under 18 to get surgery. I felt afraid to speak up about it, considering how much of a woke hivemind Twitter is, like "hey, maybe it's a bad idea to fuck children up for life at such a young age."

It felt like I was stuck in a sea of yes men that never used critical thinking for these kind of things, or that even taking HRT as an adult can cause a bunch of unwanted side effects. Agree with us or go fuck yourslef. Agree with us or you're encouraging child abuse.

Not to mention that so much of being trans revolves around misery; you claim to be happier since you transitioned, but you still look depressed and dead inside in your selfies. The fact that you could be having a normal day but have an emotional breakdown over being misgendered, posting that it makes you think of self-harming or killing yourself, made me realize that all of this revolves around being mentally ill. If everyone doesn't align with their beliefs, if you call someone with a full beard and Adam's apple a man even though they're wearing a wig, they'll kill themselves and the blood will be on your hands.

Like, identify however you want, because it's not my choice to tell you who you are or who you should be. But if you just decide to stop using your brain and only blindly agree with everything that's being fed to you, then don't expect me to go along with that shit.

You also gotta remember that threatening to kill oneself in order to manipulate others is a dark triad personality behavior.

 

[Bush King]

You also gotta remember that threatening to kill oneself in order to manipulate others is a dark triad personality behavior.

Being an AGP fits 2/3 right out of the gate, Machiavellianism is a strong contender though.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Being an AGP fits 2/3 right out of the gate, Machiavellianism is a strong contender though.

You gotta be a master manipulator in order to get people to play along with something as retarded as you being a woman trapped in a man's body. Or a nonbinary alien hermaphrodite with a barbie doll crotch.

 

[Bush King]

You gotta be a master manipulator in order to get people to play along with something as retarded as you being a woman trapped in a man's body. Or a nonbinary alien hermaphrodite with a barbie doll crotch.

Most Machs aren't master manipulators. Psychs who interview manipulators come away feeling like they can trust them and then review the interview and notice all the tricks. It's easy to manipulate people who are polite and non-confrontational. Most people are generally credulous to a point. The vast majority of the maladjusted and clinically insane/demented live horrible lives as outcasts. Patrick Bateman is the exception. Dark triads are lucky to have stable jobs and terrible family lives- most end up as repeat offenders in prison.

 

[Ser Prize]

Like others in this thread, it was several cumulative incidents of troons acting out that made me reconsider my opinions on the T.

Dema, an ex-volunteer for Artix Entertainment, made no secret of being a transwoman. It would be one thing if Dema had kept her NSFW tendencies out of work, I even shrugged it off when she played up the frilly pink stereotype. But when chat logs of her ERP were found clearly linked to her, I was uneasy.

My last straw was when Haven & Hearth basically became one "gamer troon's" playground because he used his "female" status as a way to shout down actual women and play up to misogynist stereotypes. Especially that women are wimpy weeping hysterical porn sluts and manipulative uppity bitches who must be purged or enslaved by the incel rebellion. Just didn't sit well with me.

He also claimed to be the frilliest "girl" ever while using abuser logic* to shoot down anyone playing H&H in ways he hates, such as not treating it like an idle MOBA RPG.

Now I see why women like Rowling say the current trans are just parasites and failed men. Has there ever been a trans woman who didn't go "Teehee, I'm the sparkliest, frilliest little girl that ever existed!"

*"It's your fault I attacked you!" "You tempted me!" etc.

Man I completely fucking forgot about Haven and Hearth. I played that shit so long ago. It definitely seems like it's the kind of game and community to become infested with trannies.

 

[IceGray]

Man I completely fucking forgot about Haven and Hearth. I played that shit so long ago. It definitely seems like it's the kind of game and community to become infested with trannies.

What makes you say that? In my experience it's gotten infested with alt-righters who drag IRL politics into everything they do in the game.

Trannies and alt-rights are incompatible, I thought? Holya being the sole exception because he thinks he's Hitler's kouhai.

 

[Bush King]

What makes you say that? In my experience it's gotten infested with alt-righters who drag IRL politics into everything they do in the game.

Trannies and alt-rights are incompatible, I thought? Holya being the sole exception because he thinks he's Hitler's kouhai.

It's a meme at this point that being a tranny means you're likely to be an unironic Nazi. The reality, though, is that obsessive disorders lead to radicalism generally- no one normal bats an eye when they see the troons in Commie garb, and the Commies think their radical politics is "normal". Both ends of the political extreme have chasers and those obsessed with troons, so they find welcome arms with other hyper-horny, hyper-political types. The only difference is that Vaush-types are open (or secretly grifting) with their sexuality, where the Nazis pretend to be extremely disciplined.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

I bought what they were selling with trans nonsense hook line and sinker when I was in high school. My time in college slowly snowballed me to realizing these people are lunatics as I started meeting them and seeing their personalities were garbage, mostly just narcissism and perversion. They were either incredibly creepy/rapey or they had a whole host of other mental issues. I slowly matched up what I was seeing IRL with a lot of basic redpills on troons I would see on /pol/ or whatever.

That said I think I hit peak trans and lost whatever semblance of sympathy I might have previously had when trans kids started becoming a thing and the grooming started to just clearly be out in the open. What really made me sick was just how fanatical they were in defending straight up child abuse.

 

[Lady Farishta]

Still not really sure what peak trans means, but I think my skepticism/disdain was borne from my disgust of male circumcision and plastic surgery in general. When I was a teenager and started thinking about these kinds of topics, I realized male circumcision is medically unnecessary and that it isn't fair to make that decision for a new human, especially when there is a possibility of botching the job. Not to mention the foreskin has a purpose. Through researching botched circumcisions, I found out about Dr. Money and those poor unfortunate twin boys, the Reimers. Not long after, found sexchangeregret.com. Also, I had a preoccupation with researching botched plastic surgery. And I have always had a firm idea in my breast that I would never want to have to rely on medicine forever. Mix all of this together, and transgenderism/transsexualism is the perfect shitstorm. You've got unnecessary body mutilation, medicalization for life. Needless to say, I've not been a fan of the whole thing since the beginning. And more recently, the pronoun thing is idiotic enough, but then the men demolishing women in sports as well as the newspeak ('breastfeeding people' and the like) are new ways to make me never take them seriously.