Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

  • 🔧 At about Midnight EST I am going to completely fuck up the site trying to fix something.
Again you completely miss the point that 'not having an editing credit' does not mean he had everything or even anything to do with the quality of the editing.
I've stopped reading this thread for a bunch of reasons, one Disney has killed my love for Star Wars, and two for comments like this.

I love reading quotes from "hard-core star wars fans" who know little to nothing about the behind the scenes of how Star Wars was made. I cannot even imagine implying or outright stating George Lucas, AN EDITOR BY TRADE AND TRAINING, didnt have anything to do with the editing of the movie. Let's ignore the talk of everyone from the the first movie talking about George editing the movie himself and how the movie didn't work until he sped it up. Let's ignore the talk of George, and all the pictures of him on set helping out and editing the movie during the filming of 5 and 6. Let's ignore how George continues to be an altruistic man and giving credit to a bunch of other people since he's a pretty decent guy.(ignoring making Indy a pedo)

We are going to ignore all of this because I'm a man baby who doesn't like 3 movies that didn't make me feel the same way I did as a kid watching the first three movies.

Grow the fuck up you man child. George Lucas has created the last great saga in the Western Canon and that's 1-6. Because you can't get over your big bad dommy daddy Vader is a sad shell of a man isn't a problem with the prequels its a problem with you. What George has done over 60+ years in mirroring and referencing and layoring his story is incredible. I'm not quite sure there's anything like it. And hearing dumbasses complain about actual art they clearly can't even get close to comprehending is actually offensive.


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JUNE 2022 ISSUE
Star Wars: The Rebellion Will Be Televised
An exclusive look at the master plan for Obi-Wan Kenobi with Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen, Andor with Diego Luna, Ahsoka with Rosario Dawson—and a fleet of new shows.

BY ANTHONY BREZNICAN
PHOTOGRAPHY BY ANNIE LEIBOVITZ
MAY 17, 2022
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Costume designers, Suttirat Larlarb, Shawna Trpcic, Michael Wilkinson; makeup and hair, Cool Benson, Ashleigh Childers, Alexei Dmitriew, Amber Hamilton, Crystal Jones, Morgan Marinoff, Davy Newkirk, Julio Parodi, Ana Gabriela Quiñonez, Maria Sandoval, Cristina Waltz. For V.F.: set design, Mary Howard; creative producer, Kathryn MacLeod. Photographed exclusively for V.F. by Annie Leibovitz in Manhattan Beach, California.
Diego Luna couldn’t trust the driver. He didn’t think he could trust anybody. And hadn’t he read something about an epidemic of eavesdroppers hacking phones? “That was just my paranoia,” the actor says now. “Not connected to reality.” Still, he pressed his phone so tightly to his ear that it made his face hot, as a voice from thousands of miles away told him secrets from another galaxy. The car was stuck in traffic on the top tier of a double-decker highway in Mexico City. “I was speaking in code words because I was trying not to say too much in the car,” says Luna. The words he was avoiding most strenuously were star and wars.
Luna had played the dauntless Rebel spy Cassian Andor in the 2016 film Rogue One. Now, on the other end of the phone, was Tony Gilroy, who had punched up the movie’s script for reshoots. Gilroy—whose credits include writing the first four Bourne thrillers and writing and directing Michael Clayton—was developing a series that would explore Andor’s backstory, revealing what drew him into the galactic Rebellion and how he evolved from a self-serving nihilist into a selfless martyr. Luna’s call with Gilroy—the first time he heard the full plan for the Andor story—happened more than three years ago. “One thing I remember, from being part of this since day one, is how little you can share of what happens,” says the actor. “I have kids, man. It’s painful for them—and for me.”
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Darth Vader: In the new show Obi-Wan Kenobi, the lord of the dark side hunts his old mentor, setting up their fateful confrontation in 1977’s Star Wars. Reva the Inquisitor: Moses Ingram costars as a fearsome exterminator of Jedi, wielding a double-bladed spinning lightsaber. Obi-Wan Kenobi premieres May 27. Obi-Wan Kenobi: In the eponymous new show, Ewan McGregor reprises his role as the young(er) version of Alec Guinness’s wise old man, now in exile in the desert.EXCLUSIVE PHOTOGRAPHS BY ANNIE LEIBOVITZ
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Mon Mothma: In Andor, Genevieve O’Reilly’s galactic senator secretly leads an uprising against the Empire. Cassian Andor: Diego Luna stars as a man who believes in nothing but eventually risks everything to aid the Rebellion. Andor premieres late summer 2022. Din Djarin: Pedro Pascal’s bounty hunter, a.k.a. the Mandalorian, has such an orthodox devotion to his culture that he only takes off his helmet in dire circumstances. Season three of The Mandalorian returns in late 2022 or early 2023. Ahsoka Tano: Rosario Dawson’s alien warrior is deeply attuned to the Force, but some fans call her a “gray” Jedi, because she doesn’t commit to absolutes like her brethren. Ahsoka is scheduled to premiere in 2023.EXCLUSIVE PHOTOGRAPHS BY ANNIE LEIBOVITZ
George Lucas himself had attempted, and abandoned, a live-action Star Wars series called Underworld before he sold Lucasfilm to the Walt Disney Company in 2012. Scripts were written and test footage shot, but the level of quality he was looking for proved to be too expensive for a TV budget. Then, in 2017, Lucasfilm was tasked with trying again, this time making not one series but a whole fleet to bolster its parent company’s streaming ambitions. Disney+ would need the firepower of many Star Wars shows to compete against rival titans like Netflix and Amazon. The Mandalorian, we know now, became a global phenomenon, which only raised expectations. This winter, The Book of Boba Fett delivered a redemption story nearly four decades after the title character’s apparent demise in Return of the Jedi. Now, with 130 million subscribers waiting, Disney has upped its demands to three separate Star Wars shows within a year. For this story, Lucasfilm has lifted the secrecy surrounding its TV universe and how it formed, as universes do, under immense pressure.
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First up is Ewan McGregor’s return to his role as a weary Jedi master in exile. Obi-Wan Kenobi debuts May 27, tracking the character 10 years into his time on the desert world of Tatooine, where he serves as a distant guardian to young Luke Skywalker and is hunted by a dark side “Inquisitor” named Reva (played by The Queen’s Gambit’s Moses Ingram). Luna’s spy saga, Andor, hits screens late this summer. Season three of The Mandalorian, reuniting Pedro Pascal’s helmeted gunfighter with his little green ward (you know who), drops in late 2022 or early 2023. Next year, Rosario Dawson will lead the series Ahsoka, playing the live-action version of a fan-favorite Force wielder from animation who was once an apprentice to Anakin Skywalker. Slightly further off is The Acolyte, with a tale set about a century before the era of the Skywalkers.
It’s a bountiful time to be a Star Wars obsessive, to say the least. McGregor—who wrestled with joining the galaxy in the late ’90s and wrestled again with whether to return—says the gig has saturated his life. “My partner, Mary, is doing that Star Wars series with Rosario and she’s about to start,” he says. Lucasfilm hadn’t previously confirmed rumors that Mary Elizabeth Winstead will be in Ahsoka, but…now they don’t have to. “Our little boy has been born into this massive Star Wars family,” says McGregor, whose son with Winstead was born last summer. “He will either embrace it or really go the other way. I don’t know. Maybe he’ll be a Trekkie!”
On that day in mid-2019, when Luna was recruited for Andor, the actor remembers looking out the car window at the rooftops of the adjacent buildings, visualizing the tale about resistance-minded spies and near-death escapes. He was especially glad that Gilroy’s proposal included details that resonated personally. Luna describes Andor as a refugee story, with desperate people fleeing the Empire at the full force of its power. “It’s the journey of a migrant,” he says. “That feeling of having to move is behind this story, very profoundly and very strong. That shapes you as a person. It defines you in many ways, and what you are willing to do.”
Gilroy breathes deep and reveals a little more about Andor. “This guy gave his life for the galaxy, right? I mean, he consciously, soberly, without vanity or recognition, sacrificed himself. Who does that?” he asks. “That’s what this first season is about. It’s about him being really revolution-averse, and cynical, and lost, and kind of a mess.” The story begins with the destruction of Andor’s birth world, then follows him into adulthood, when he realizes he can’t run forever. “His adopted home will become the base of our whole first season, and we watch that place become radicalized,” Gilroy says. “Then we see another planet that’s completely taken apart in a colonial kind of way. The Empire is expanding rapidly. They’re wiping out anybody who’s in their way.” By journey’s end, Andor’s path will be to block theirs.
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The show also focuses on the enigmatic Rebel leader Mon Mothma, played by Genevieve O’Reilly, who portrayed her as a young senator in Revenge of the Sith, then reprised the role in Rogue One. Mothma (then played by Caroline Blakiston) was the priestess-like figure in 1983’s Return of the Jedi who outlines weaknesses in the new Death Star, gravely intoning, “Many Bothans died to bring us this information.” In Andor, her story will run parallel to the title character, whom we know will eventually become one of her key agents. “It is a huge, orchestral, Dickensian ensemble cast,” says Gilroy.
Luna remembers the conversation in the car as the moment he was all in. “At the end, [Gilroy] said to me, ‘You want to take this risk with me, man? It’s you and I from beginning to end,’ ” says the actor. “It was like you’d been recruited to join a Rebel force. I was like, ‘Yes! Of course, man! Yes!’ ” Then reality set in: “What did I just say? This will be happening in London? My life is in Mexico. Holy shit, what have I done?”
It’s the theme that binds all the new shows: devotion. “What’s unique about Star Wars is that we’re one story, basically,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “George was always dealing with episodes. Ironically, he was serializing his storytelling. He was influenced by Flash Gordon and cliff-hangers on Saturdays at movie theaters. All of that informed what the DNA of Star Wars is, which is why I think it’s just organic that we made the transition into television.”
The transition was not an obvious pivot for an empire built on movies. When she took over Lucasfilm in 2012, Kennedy’s primary goal was to rejuvenate Star Wars with a new era of films, after a trilogy of prequels that underwhelmed many fans. Few producers were better poised to do that, given her legacy of crowd-pleasers ranging from E.T. to Back to the Future and The Sixth Sense. By the end of 2015, Han, Leia, and Luke were back on the big screen in J.J. Abrams’s The Force Awakens, which introduced the desert scavenger Rey, the redemption-seeking storm trooper Finn, the X-wing hotshot Poe Dameron, and the brooding Sith wannabe Kylo Ren. Rian Johnson’s sequel, 2017’s The Last Jedi, continued the Skywalker saga, as it came to be known, but veered sharply from Abrams’s vision and seemed to close off some central story lines. Abrams U-turned back when he returned for 2019’s final chapter, The Rise of Skywalker, taking over Episode IX late in development. The movies all earned billions, but the zigzagging narrative was conspicuous.
Ewan McGregor and his partner, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, will both be on new Lucasfilm shows: “Our little boy has been BORN INTO THIS MASSIVE STAR WARS FAMILY. He will either embrace it or really go the other way. Maybe he’ll be a Trekkie!”
All this led to “the hiatus,” a fallow spot in the Star Wars film landscape that Kennedy announced in early 2019, months before The Rise of Skywalker even debuted. Lucasfilm needed to regroup and rethink: “We all recognized, every single one of us, that this was a new chapter for the company and that we needed to all work together to create the architecture for where we were going.”
Factor in the stand-alone movies Rogue One and Solo, and the Bay Area production company had been churning out a blockbuster a year, a breakneck pace considering that Lucas himself only released one Star Wars film every three years—with well over a decade between trilogies. Kennedy wanted to dispense with the annual deadline and reconsider everything. The most important lesson they’d learned was this: Star Wars required a greater degree of professional devotion from filmmakers. “Anyone who comes into the Star Wars universe needs to know that it’s a three-, four-, five-year commitment,” she says. “That’s what it takes. You can’t step in for a year and shoot something and then walk away…. It requires that kind of nurturing.”
Getting something appropriately cosmic prepped for their streaming service’s launch became Disney’s highest priority. It had to feel as big as the films. So, Kennedy turned to a filmmaker.
Jon Favreau had inaugurated the Marvel Cinematic Universe with Iron Man a decade before and was steeped in large-scale serialized storytelling. The actor and director had also become so proficient with visual effects that his most recent Disney projects, The Jungle Book and The Lion King, were often mistakenly described as live-action even though both are almost entirely digitally simulated. “I knew that Jon Favreau was always deeply interested in Star Wars. He was the first person I went to,” Kennedy says. “He said, ‘Not only would I have an interest, I have an idea.’ ” Plus, he was willing to meet that new criteria of hers. “What’s unique about Jon is his commitment,” Kennedy says. “He’s had a sole focus pretty much on this for the last several years. That’s been a godsend.”
After meeting at Kennedy’s office in Santa Monica, Favreau started work without even a contract. “I just started writing,” he says. “So by the time I was officially hired, I had already written the first, I think, four episodes.”
But there was a problem. Favreau’s idea was about a Mandalorian, the helmeted tribe of galactic warriors who frequently turn up as mercenaries or bounty hunters. The first, and for a long time the only, Mandalorian in the early Star Wars films was Boba Fett, and Lucasfilm planned to make him the central character in a feature film being developed by director James Mangold. That wasn’t the problem, although Favreau would eventually pick up the Boba Fett story after Mangold moved on to another Lucasfilm property, directing Indiana Jones 5. The problem Kennedy faced was that another esteemed creative executive, Dave Filoni, had also devised a series focused on Mandalorians. Filoni is the colorful cowboy hat–wearing mastermind behind many of Lucasfilm’s animated shows. He joined the company in 2005 as an apprentice to Lucas himself and developed The Clone Wars with him. Filoni wanted to explore some of the ideas they’d never fully realized. “I remember when I did Clone Wars, George came in and said, ‘Well, the Mandalorians are pacifists in this time period.’ I’m like, ‘Oh, well, that’s very different than what everybody thinks they were.’ And he was like, ‘Well, you’ve got to remember that people are never just one thing. Cultures evolve and they change over time.’ ”
Being able to channel the creator makes Filoni indispensable at Lucasfilm. He was a critical part of the company’s new TV ventures, and Kennedy had been nurturing his filmmaking ambitions ever since her arrival. Favreau and Filoni were friendly, but Kennedy feared a turf war might erupt. She devised a fix. “I arranged a playdate,” she says.
After meeting in Los Angeles, Favreau and Filoni exchanged ideas and drawings for a Mandalorian show that could combine their ideas. “They got along instantly, like gangbusters,” Kennedy says. Filoni’s knowledge of Mandalorian history blended with Favreau’s lone-gunslinger concept. Most importantly, the new partners challenged each other. Favreau’s idea for the Child was the biggest sticking point. “It gave us some pause,” Kennedy says. “He and Dave debated that quite ferociously.”
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CAPE FEAR: Hayden Christensen, who reprises his role as Anakin Skywalker (now Darth Vader), trains for a lightsaber duel with McGregor’s stunt double, Ross Kohnstam.
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The Child, of course, is the pistachio-hued scene-stealer who would melt the Mandalorian’s icy bounty-hunter heart by becoming the innocent he must protect at all costs. The little one remained under wraps until the debut of the first episode, then instantly became an object of global adoration. His real name is Grogu, but in our world he is forever Baby Yoda. “Honestly, it’s something I never would’ve done because Yoda is Yoda,” Filoni says. Yoda’s home world and backstory were never fully revealed, and Filoni wanted to protect the mystery that Lucas built around the original Jedi master. “I think people now look back and think it was like a slam dunk, but we were very cautious,” Filoni says of the Child. “The amount of measuring, especially in the first season, for how we were framing this kid took a lot of effort.”
The pair spoke with Vanity Fair in a joint Zoom interview, and as Filoni described his initial reservations in one window, Favreau disappeared from another, rustling through papers and returning with sketches and drawings of Mando and Child. One of them, drawn by Filoni himself, showed the baby’s hand reaching out of a floating bassinet toward his burly protector. Most of the other concepts were off-putting—wrinkled, feral, or cartoonish. It’s easy to understand Filoni’s hesitation. “There were a lot of different looks that popped up, and then we got one that finally clicked. It’s this drawing,” Favreau says, tapping a full-color concept image by artist Chris Alzmann, now emblazoned on countless pieces of merchandise. In it, the Child sits in a bulky brown onesie with wide doe eyes and a slightly derpy expression. “That’s him. This one,” Favreau says. “He had kind of a goofy, ugly look. We didn’t want him too cute.” Part of his charm is that you feel a little pity for the guy, like Chaplin’s Tramp or Charlie Brown.
There was never an alternate creature suggestion. It’s not like we might have gotten a crustacean-like Baby Ackbar on lunch boxes, dolls, backpacks, and T-shirts. And we may never have gotten a Child at all if Lucasfilm hadn’t solved another, even bigger problem with The Mandalorian: how to create a show that goes to new worlds in every episode without the backbreaking budgetary demands of shipping a crew to the farthest reaches of our own planet. “We were making series that were meant to sit alongside our films with a third of the budget and half the time,” says Carrie Beck, a development and production executive at Lucasfilm who co-executive-produced The Mandalorian. “While it became a huge success, I feel like everybody’s blood, sweat, and tears are on that screen.”
Ironically, the thing that cleared their path was a wall.
The cluster of bulky beige buildings in Manhattan Beach, a South Bay community near Los Angeles, looks as boring as any warehouse district. They are the khaki pants of architecture. Inside, at least two of these soundstages, however, are portals to other worlds.
After The Mandalorian debuted in late 2019, Lucasfilm’s special effects division, Industrial Light & Magic, began to reveal details of the colossal curved LED wall they call The Volume that can envelop a film crew as effectively as any location shoot, generating an environment that’s convincingly photorealistic, even to a digital camera. There’s no need to ship a crew and props and actors anywhere. Everywhere can be brought to the studio. With three Volumes now in L.A., one in London, and one in Vancouver, film and TV creators are just beginning to discover its capabilities. The glow of dusk or dawn can last the whole workday if necessary. You can freeze the sun. Or, if you’re shooting something set on Tatooine, you can freeze two of them.
Back in 2018, when The Mandalorian was first being planned, the tech was unsteady. Richard Bluff, supervisor of ILM’s environments departments, had spent much of his career building virtual backdrops and knew The Volume (which ILM officially calls StageCraft) could be just what The Mandalorian needed. Without it, the show would either be too costly to produce or too chintzy to impress. The turning point came in the spring of that year, when one of the most famously exacting directors of all time stopped by. “James Cameron came to visit,” Bluff says. “He was next door working on the Avatar sequels in his water tank. Jon had asked for us to display on the monitors the test we’d shot earlier in the day.”
This footage featured a Mandalorian stand-in pacing around the dilapidated ruins of an abandoned building, littered with debris and stained by water damage, with walls peeling like dead skin. The structure really exists and sits on Angel Island in San Francisco Bay. But the building’s location had been scanned and imported to the LED screens, and the bounty hunter and his mirror-like armor seemed to have been transported into a decaying room. If anyone on earth could see the seams of the effect, it would be Cameron. “I remember distinctly Jim taking off his glasses and leaning close to look at the quality of the image and how convincing it was,” Bluff says. “I think, for everybody, that afternoon was the eureka moment, because it was working.”
Four years later, The Volume is an essential everyday tool. During a visit in mid-March, it conjures a rocky gray cavern, with cliffs embedded with large tech components. Whatever this place is, it’s been colonized. On the flat ceiling of the studio, you can see the craggy roof of the cave, with a rough opening that lets light pour down from a circle of blue sky.
There’s less clutter than other sets and virtually no dust. There’s no smell of fresh paint, sculpted foam, or freshly cut lumber. The Volume has the sterile, ozone scent of a Best Buy as millions upon millions of tiny light-emitting diodes embedded in the curved surface evoke alien landscapes. Favreau shows off the stage like a man opening the hood of a newly restored classic car. Asked if the technology allows them to make a full season of television in the same amount of time as a Star Wars or Marvel movie, Favreau shakes his head: “No, it’s like half the time.”
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SPACE FORCE Dave Filoni, Deborah Chow, Jon Favreau, and Kathleen Kennedy on the Volume set that allows for travel to distant worlds inside a soundstage. Filoni, Chow, and Favreau first collaborated on The Mandalorian, but now Filoni is developing the Ahsoka series, and Chow is overseeing Obi-Wan Kenobi.EXCLUSIVE PHOTOGRAPHS BY ANNIE LEIBOVITZ
One of the first outsiders to see The Volume was Pedro Pascal, when the actor was recruited by Favreau to lend a flinty presence to The Mandalorian’s antihero. “I knew that it was an ace in the hole. I just knew,” Pascal says. “And I haven’t been surprised by any of it. Maybe I’ve been a little surprised by how compelling the Mandalorian can be, because he’s faceless.”
But that had been a selling point for him too. The character, later revealed to be named Din Djarin, is such a hard-line devotee to Mandalorian rules that he scrupulously keeps his helmet on in the presence of others. That means Pascal can sometimes play the role as a voice actor while a stand-in wears the armor, which frees him to accept other projects. “Maybe I’m a little bit of a commitment-phobe,” he says, “because the coolness of it really excites me, and the life span of it really intimidates me.”
Star Wars actors tend to become Star Wars actors for life. In the late ’90s, this led McGregor to agonize over playing the young Obi-Wan Kenobi in the prequel movies. “I really questioned it a lot,” he says. “I felt like I was part of this new wave of British cinema, really, and that Star Wars wasn’t me, that’s not what I stood for. I was this sort of urban, grungy, independent film actor.” The late Sir Alec Guinness notoriously looked down on the space saga when he played the wise old man in the original films. McGregor says he did too, especially after his first installment, 1999’s The Phantom Menace, suffered punishing reviews: “It was hard because it was such a huge decision to do them, such a big event. It was quite difficult for all of us to deal with that, also knowing you’ve got a couple more to do.”
McGregor was relieved to put the franchise behind him. But in 2017, he was invited to the El Capitan Theatre in Hollywood for a marathon screening of every Star Wars film. “They asked me if I would want to introduce one, and I’ve never done anything like that, but suddenly, it just struck me that I really did want to,” McGregor recalls. Why had his feelings changed? “I don’t know,” he says, scratching a scruffy cheek. “I really do think it has to do with growing up.” He enjoyed seeing people in sleeping bags, pulling an all-nighter with his movies. Kids who’d grown up with the prequels weren’t as cynical as the critics. A few reviewers had even begun to reappraise them. People loved him as Obi-Wan, which made McGregor realize that he did too.
After the screening, McGregor started to get asked The Question nearly every time he gave an interview: Would he ever consider playing Obi-Wan Kenobi again? McGregor always answered in the affirmative, which is good politics but not a contractual obligation. The only time the question really mattered was when McGregor was asked by Lucasfilm’s then head of story Kiri Hart about four years ago. “She just said, ‘We just wanted to know if it’s true. You’ve said you’d do it again. We want to know if you mean it,’ ” McGregor recalls. “And I said, ‘Yeah, I do mean it. I would be happy to do it again.’ ”
Lucasfilm intended to make Obi-Wan Kenobi as a movie, to be directed by Oscar nominee Stephen Daldry. McGregor would be a producer this time, giving him more say over the story. “I just said, ‘I think that it should be a story about a broken man, a man who’s lost his faith,’ ” he says. “He always has a funny line to say or always seems to be calm and is a good warrior or soldier or whatever, but to see that man come apart, and see what gets him back together again—that’s where we started.”
When the Obi-Wan film later evolved into an Obi-Wan TV series as part of Lucasfilm’s new yearning for Disney+ content, Daldry departed and Deborah Chow, a director from The Mandalorian, came aboard with the goal to keep the series cinematic in scope. There remained one missing component. McGregor’s prequel costar, Hayden Christensen, had been Anakin Skywalker to his Obi-Wan, brothers-in-arms until their brutal battle on a lava flow in Revenge of the Sith. Still, in the early iterations of the Obi-Wan–in–exile story, Vader wasn’t included.
Late last year, Rosario Dawson seemed to accidentally confirm a rumor with an Instagram post: “I looked in my email, and Star Wars was like, ‘YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THAT DOWN.’ I’m like, ‘Man, I can’t be trusted.’ ”
It’s an ongoing conundrum at Lucasfilm: How much should they showcase legacy characters and how much should they keep them in reserve? Would introducing Vader to a story about Obi-Wan’s exile detract from their fateful meeting on the Death Star in 1977’s Star Wars, when Vader strikes down his old friend? Or could a previously unknown encounter actually enhance that moment? “We have these what-if conversations 24/7,” says Michelle Rejwan, an executive producer of Obi-Wan and one of the company’s lead development chiefs. “It’s fun to, in your head, peruse the Star Wars toy store. ‘Oh, we could have this character, or feature that ship.’ But at the end of the day, we really need to keep it pure about why.”
In the fall of 2019, Chow sat in Christensen’s living room, asking him to return as the most fearsome tyrant in the galaxy. Logs crackled in the fireplace. A cup of herb, lemon, and ginger tea steamed in Chow’s cup. Vader, she told Christensen, would add a new dimension that could ultimately reframe the way fans look at their classic duel in the original movie.
At the time of the meeting, it had been 14 years since Revenge of the Sith, and the actor assumed his galactic glory days were done. He was happy to be wrong. “This is a character that has come to define my life in so many ways,” he says. “I was originally hired to play a very specific portion of this person’s life. Most of my work was with Anakin. And now I get to come back and explore the character of Darth Vader.”
Technically, you don’t need Christensen for Vader—all you need is the mask, a hulking figure in the suit, and, if you’re lucky, James Earl Jones’s imperious voice. But you do need Christensen to show the audience the hotheaded but compassionate man who was lost when Anakin Skywalker became Vader. “A lot of my conversations with Deborah were about wanting to convey this feeling of strength, but also coupled with imprisonment,” Christensen says. “There is this power and vulnerability, and I think that’s an interesting space to explore.”
When Chow became the showrunner, she championed a rematch between Vader and Kenobi as the Lucasfilm brain trust mulled whether to go that route. Meanwhile, soundstages had been booked in England and then canceled as the story underwent more internal scrutiny, sparking fears from fans that the show itself might go away too. In March 2020, shortly before lockdown began, the decision was finalized: Vader would return.
Part of Chow’s successful perspective on “why” Vader and Kenobi should face each other again may surprise even the most ardent Star Wars fans, especially those who think of the two as harboring an epic contempt for one another. “For me, across the prequels, through the original trilogy, there’s a love-story dynamic with these two that goes through the whole thing,” Chow says. “I felt like it was quite hard to not [include] the person who left Kenobi in such anguish in the series.” What intrigued her was the idea that despite what Vader had become, Kenobi might still care deeply about him. “I don’t know how you could not,” she says. “I don’t think he ever will not care about him. What’s special about that relationship is that they loved each other.”
While Luna is the kind of actor who huddles in the backseat of a car, hiding his Star Wars call from a probably oblivious driver, Rosario Dawson is the type who FaceTimes her friend’s eight-year-old while in costume as alien Force-seeker Ahsoka, her full blue-and-white head tails framing burnt-umber makeup and white warrior markings. “I called my friend Polina because her son Cosmo is a huge fan of Star Wars, knows every ship, every robot,” says Dawson. “He sees me and throws the phone across the room. Just freaked out. I’ve gotten ice cream with this kid. We’ve hung out. But it was too much that this character he loves was starting to talk to him and said his name. She calls me back the next day and goes, ‘Cosmo just walked into the room and told me: He’s ready now.’ I said, ‘Well, that’s very sweet, but I am no longer in costume. His moment is missed.’ ” She shrugs. “That will be a life lesson for him moving forward.”
Dawson has the same enthusiasm for Star Wars as Cosmo. Her casting as Ahsoka Tano, who previously was voiced by Ashley Eckstein and existed only in animation, was the result of a fan suggestion that Lucasfilm took seriously. Someone tweeted Dawson a piece of art depicting her as the heroine, and she responded: “Ummm… Yes, please?” That made its way to Filoni, who had been working with Favreau to include Ahsoka in both The Mandalorian and later The Book of Boba Fett. His ultimate goal was to give Ahsoka her own TV series.
In October 2021, after Dawson had shot guest spots, she read a trade report about Christensen possibly joining her stand-alone show. Anakin Skywalker had been the character’s mentor, and Vader’s memory would understandably still haunt her. Dawson took a screenshot of the headline and opened Instagram, using the characters’ nicknames for each other from The Clone Wars as a caption. “I just posted, ‘Skyguy…They know!!! See you soon, Snips.’ ” Only later did she realize that the report was just an unconfirmed rumor. Fans took her post as hard confirmation, and the powers that be at Lucasfilm were distressed. “I looked in my email, and Star Wars was like, ‘You might want to take that down,’ ” Dawson remembers. “I’m like, ‘Man, I can’t be trusted.’ ”
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Ahsoka will appear on Disney+ in 2023, though Lucasfilm, eager to reclaim secrecy, still won’t confirm if Dawson had inadvertently leaked the truth about Anakin or if it really was a false report. As with every Star Wars title, emotions and nostalgia are wrapped up in this series. Filoni, who’s overseeing the show, helped create the title character with Lucas, and watched her become a touchstone to young girls who were drawn to “Snips” as the first lead female in the Jedi order. The quest Ahsoka has hinted at in her guest appearances on The Mandalorian and Boba Fett, hunting an Imperial grand admiral named Thrawn who vanished into deep space at the conclusion of the animated Rebels series, is likely to be explored further, although plot details are still being tightly held. “Ahsoka is a continuous story,” Filoni offers. “It is definitely driving toward a goal, in my mind, as opposed to being little singular adventures. That’s what I want the character to be doing, and I think that’s what fans want now. They have such a relationship with her. I’ve only recently started to understand that all those kids that watched Clone Wars are now a lot older—they’re very excited about all the things they grew up with, as they should be.”
To keep minting fans, Lucasfilm must give new generations their own collection of characters to love and hate, and not every classic character can be brought back endlessly anyway. Kennedy is well aware of all this now. In The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett, Mark Hamill, 70, delivered performances as 30-something Luke Skywalker, but younger actors played Luke’s body while advanced deepfake technology replaced the face. Bringing Luke to life is now a team sport. But that tech has its limitations. So does recasting.
The 2018 movie Solo explored Han Solo’s younger years, with Alden Ehrenreich taking on the role of the smuggler originated by Harrison Ford. The film has its admirers, but it made less at the box office than any other live-action Star Wars movie. Solo’s swagger may be too singular for another actor to replicate. “There should be moments along the way when you learn things,” says Kennedy. “Now it does seem so abundantly clear that we can’t do that.”
To endure, Star Wars will need new actors, new characters, and a new era, vaulting away from the timeline as we know it. Another upcoming series, The Acolyte, reportedly starring Amandla Stenberg, aims to do that. The show is in the casting phase, but the writing is largely complete, says showrunner Leslye Headland, cocreator of the time-looping Netflix show Russian Doll. She has been planning for it for two years, mostly from the confines of her home. Her dog and cat, who peek in curiously from the background of Zoom conversations, are certainly steeped in the concept of the galaxy’s High Republic era, she says, but casual Star Wars fans who haven’t been following the recent novels and comics might still be unaware.
The Acolyte, Headland says, takes place roughly 100 years before The Phantom Menace: “A lot of those characters haven’t even been born yet. We’re taking a look at the political and personal and spiritual things that came up in a time period that we don’t know much about. My question when watching The Phantom Menace was always like, ‘Well, how did things get to this point?’ How did we get to a point where a Sith lord can infiltrate the Senate and none of the Jedi pick up on it? Like, what went wrong? What are the scenarios that led us to this moment?”
Headland describes The Acolyte as a mystery thriller set in a prosperous and seemingly peaceful era, when the galaxy is still sleek and glistening. “We actually use the term the Renaissance, or the Age of Enlightenment,” she says. Jedis were not always ascetic monklike figures living selflessly and bravely. “The Jedi uniforms are gold and white, and it’s almost like they would never get dirty. They would never be out and about,” Headland says. “The idea is that they could have these types of uniforms because that’s how little they’re getting into skirmishes.”
Another new series on the horizon doesn’t even have a title, just a code name: Grammar Rodeo, a reference to an episode of The Simpsons in which Bart and his schoolmates steal a car and run away for a week, using a phony educational event as an alibi. The show takes place during the post–Return of the Jedi reconstruction that follows the fall of the Empire, the same as The Mandalorian, but its plot remains a secret. It’s created and executive-produced by director Jon Watts and writer Chris Ford, who made Spider-Man: Homecoming for Marvel. A casting notice has called for four children, around 11 to 12 years old. Inside Lucasfilm, the show is being described as a galactic version of classic Amblin coming-of-age adventure films of the ’80s.
That leaves the question of what’s happening with the Star Wars movies.
“We have a road map,” Kennedy says, although Lucasfilm’s big-screen return is unlikely to follow the same relentless cadence as before. A movie from Jojo Rabbit’s Taika Waititi and 1917 screenwriter Krysty Wilson-Cairns will likely arrive first, with Rogue Squadron from Wonder Woman director Patty Jenkins further off. Is it true that Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige will produce a Star Wars film? “I would love to see what movie he might come up with,” Kennedy says. “But right now, no, there isn’t anything specifically.” And the trilogy from The Last Jedi’s Rian Johnson that was announced five years ago? Back-burnered. “Rian has been unbelievably busy with Knives Out and the deal that he made at Netflix for multiple movies.”
The emphasis on television is already influencing the upcoming film slate. “I hesitate to use the word trilogies anymore because Star Wars is much more about persistent storytelling,” Kennedy says. Now she just needs to recruit feature filmmakers.
On March 19, Kennedy and Lucas received the Milestone Award from the Producers Guild of America, and something happened to her while watching the video montage. The clips of the pair over the decades included a shirtless Lucas in a squirt-gun battle with Steven Spielberg, and Kennedy and Lucas joking around in a production-disrupting downpour. “What I was so taken with is how much fun we were having,” she says. “It amounted to this moment of realization: I do think a little bit of fun has gone out of making these gigantic movies. The business, the stakes, everything that’s been infused in the last 10 years or so. There’s a kind of spontaneity and good time that we have to be careful to preserve. I keep holding on to: It better be fun.”
After more than 50 years, with Lucasfilm navigating a new path, that’s as good a lodestar to follow as any.
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What surprised me the most about this article is how little I cared about any of it, from Kathleen Kennedy's babbling to the article referring to Solo as a "blockbuster." I guess I'm kinda done with SW. I'm not even mad, but I'm also far from engaged.
 
These are the only known photos of this version of the scene. It’s never been released to the public. When Lucas screened the rough cut of the film for his friends, they were confused as to what Anakin’s motivation for turning was. So, he decided to tweak things a bit so that Anakin’s desire to find a way to save his wife from dying would be the main cause of his downfall.
and make the biggest bad-ass of all star wars look like a fucking idiot.
>join me on the dark side and I'll save her
*proceeds to slaughter a whole jedi kindergarten* now what?
>join me and we'll find a way to save her

even when watching that way back then I thought that shit was completely retarded.

and all this PT talk gives me the excuse to post the final verdict on jar jar, doggo god has spoken:

I'm gonna be honest, the OT was so damn good at giving immense power to scenes that arguably shouldn't work so well as they're just expositing off-screen shit; and nothing in the Prequels, Sequels or even Legends were able to really capture/emulate this. It's a mystical feel that's just absolutely perfect.
that's why ambiguity works, your head automatically makes up the coolest possible shit you can imagine (as you should know from your username).
it's also the same reason any prequel/sequel/whatever usually feels inadequate compared to your personal headcanon (which I attribute some of the prequel hate to. imagine going from the the biggest motherfucking choking bitches, voiced by fucking james earl jones, to jake lloyd and "I hate sand").

We interrupt this thread's usual bout of autism to say...
word of advice, dead leader doesn't like image-heavy posts without thumbnails (just mentioning it before this thread draws his ire)
 
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Ep2 had flaws for sure, but even as an adult when it came out I thought at least some of it was people actively trying to hate it after getting pissed at 1.
Like the big hoo-hah over Background Jedi Extras being Boy Band. I recall no small amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth like you could really tell who Assholes In A Bathrobe #3-8 were.

Now that I think about it, is there any gag juxtaposing Traditional Jedi Bathrobes and Arthur Dent?
 
Because you and a bunch of other kiwis saw the prequels as snot nosed kids doesn't mean they're a high bar of Star Wars. You think people who can't help but notice the gaping flaws in the prequels are obnoxious, sucking George's cock and crowing about 'prequel hating retards' getting rekt because he maaaybe, pooossibly did a little bit of editing on ANH is not too endearing either. And pretty retarded itself.
It's cool you assumed a bunch of dumb shit about me that I never stated in the first place. My favorite Star Wars movie has always been ANH with ESB right behind it. I never said the prequels were good. Hell I just wrote an entire post about AOTC calling it fucking BORING and saying the practical effects looked like shitty CGI to most people. They have interesting things about them in my opinion, but I never said they were good movies as a whole. I cannot understand OT purists who assume everyone who says good things about the PT = wow I love the prequels they're perfect masterpieces AND CONSOOMING FILIONI WARS BECAUSE I'M A DUMBASS ZOOMER FUCK YEAH.

Like @Getting tard comed stated before me, George was an editor by trade. It's the only thing he loved doing as a filmmaker because films are made in the editing (not saved anti-Lucas drones, made) and it's one of the few things he's consistently good at. That, and you don't have to go out and do hard stuff like film outside or get off your ass to be an editor which George didn't like doing.

But no please keep explaining how I'm a prequelbabby because I don't find them entirely Disney-tier bad.
Again you completely miss the point that 'not having an editing credit' does not mean he had everything or even anything to do with the quality of the editing.
Please look up what a director does. George funded his own movies for a reason. CREATIVE CONTROL. That meant that no soulless studio filled with dumbass executives could tell him what to do with his movies and he got to do what he wanted with them. This meant hiring editors to do a job they got hired for and edit his movies. Keyword on hired. If he never hired them, they never would have edited the movies in the first place.

I used to think TFA, TLJ, and TROS were all badly edited films. Because of your post, now I'm going to stop blaming JJ and Rian for how the sequels were cut together because they clearly had nothing to do with the editing on those movies, even as the directors (and producers) of those movies which should have given them more creative control but obviously didn't. ;)👍
Look, Star Wars is George's baby, of course he had the major hand in pulling it all together, but that doesn't mean he didn't assemble a crew of capable people and did it all himself, or was even capable of doing it all himself.
When did I ever argue otherwise? A few posts ago I literally said:
Filmmaking is a collaborative medium.
I could list the entire list of people who helped make the OT good. George LED those to making the movies good as Star Wars was his ides in the first place. I never said he did them all himself. It's not my fault you don't know or care who these people are.
If there's anything we've seen it's that there are some things that he wasn't really very capable of.
I never said otherwise.
go right back to episode four and anecdotes about Alec Guiness and Harrison Ford having to recite his garbage dialogue.
Oh, you mean the dialogue that the actors made work in the final film because they're professionals who believed in the material given to them, believed in the director's vision, and did their fucking jobs? Even then the writing in ANH is nowhere near as bad as the PT.

What is with Star Wars fans and assuming that George did everything by himself because they saw a SW documentary once as 6 year olds, and just kept assuming George was a God who did everything until the prequels came out, weren't as great as they thought they were going to be, then blamed George for everything bad while assuming he had nothing to do with anything GOOD with Star Wars because he directed some bad movies and made the special editions? It's so overly simplistic to blame one entire person for everything in SW being good or bad.

It's this same type of pants on head thinking that gave us the brilliant The Force Awakens. A movie that was apparently great (at first) just because George had nothing to do with it and Lawrence Kasdan the Hack (a guy who isn't george so that means he's obviously the real genius behind star wars) co-wrote it.

why did I write all this?

Can't reply to @Elwood P. Dowd but here's a video of the Vanity Fair photoshoot:

I was surprised Diego Luna was there but I forgot that shitty Andor show is coming out soon. I can't imagine anyone caring about it at all especially since there's no memberberries like BoBF, Ahsoka, Mando or Kenobi. Again, who cares about this guy? Isn't Cassian just some Dash Rendar ripoff anyways? All of the characters in RO were as interesting as watching someone watch paint dry. The whole movie was a pointless fanfic and the characters were just an excuse to get to the next memberberry setpiece to clap at.

The guy died at the end too, and I seriously doubt he did anything worth exploring in a TV show format. Can't wait to see the fanboys defend this show for being bad when the first trailer comes out.
 
people really need to calm the fuck down with the "georgie boy did nothing wrong" wall of texts. for one we've been over this several times in this thread already, and if people don't know he was mocked long before the PT after the fucking holiday special they're a fucking newfag and need to stfu (inb4 "b-but he wasn't involved").

he did a lot of great things. he did a lot of retarded things. the duality of man.
 
Set the prequels aside for a moment, go right back to episode four and anecdotes about Alec Guiness and Harrison Ford having to recite his garbage dialogue.
And? They were the same lines that people fell in love with. But before Star Wars became big, most of that Force dialogue or Han's lines sounded like shit to cynical people in the 70s.

Because you and a bunch of other kiwis saw the prequels as snot nosed kids doesn't mean they're a high bar of Star Wars. You think people who can't help but notice the gaping flaws in the prequels are obnoxious, sucking George's cock and crowing about 'prequel hating retards' getting rekt because he maaaybe, pooossibly did a little bit of editing on ANH is not too endearing either. And pretty retarded itself.
I went with a crowd that saw the ORIGINALS as adults. And they loved the Prequels. My folks sent me TPM on VHS when I was living abroad, since they loved it. Then we went to see EP2 and EP3 when they came out in theaters. And yes, this was all AFTER I saw the original trilogy on VHS, and several decades after they saw the original Star Wars films when they were adults. They loved the OT, and they loved the PT.

I say this as someone who was quite fond of the Thrawn trilogy: sideshow merch. How much of it would have any meaning or following without nerds latching onto the movies first?
At most, they require a cursory knowledge of the OT, not the Prequels. You can completely ignore the Prequels and still enjoy Heir to the Empire or Jedi Outcast; and by the time those things came out, everyone and their nan's uncle saw the OT a million times. So yes, it was possible to enjoy those things while barely even knowing about the Prequels.

The movies turned to shit, let me play with my black series dollies or get in a bidding war for some obscure OOP comic to make up for it.
They didn't turn to shit. They were going in a direction that you morons didn't like, and people like you whining about it caused old man Lucas to sell to Disney. People who whined about how Lucas raped their childhoods with the Prequels are directly responsible for Lucas selling SW to Disney and directly responsible for the crap Star Wars fans had to deal with from 2015 onwards. That is the God's honest truth, and saying otherwise is just more lying.

In short, if you yahoos just moved on from the Prequels and stopped whining about how Lucas raped your childhoods, the SWEU might still be continuing now, Lucasfilm would still be an independent company devoid of SJW nonsense, and maybe we'd still be enjoying great games from Lucasarts. Maybe we'd have seen Star Wars 1313 come into being, or Imperial Commando, or Battlefront III.

Disney Star Wars is a monument to the idiocy of the Prequel-hate club. The direct result of all their endless bitching. And I will never get tired of saying that. Other so-called "bad" directors like Michael Bay and Joel Schumacker didn't get as much rage for ruining a series, people laughed at their films and moved on. So yes, you deserve the Star Wars that you get, because the Prequel-hate club wanted Lucas gone for "raping their childhoods", and they got their wish.

'Fake fans' and 'real fans'. Fuck me, Lord Imperator, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel there. I didn't imagine that 'real fans clap like seals and consoom any old shit with the right label on it' bullshit existed anywhere inside the KF bubble.
No I'm not. People were just happy to see Yoda kicking ass. They weren't buying everything that had the words "STAR WARS" plastered on it, they were just enjoying the really fun part of an otherwise OK movie. And yes, those are the true fans, as opposed to shitbags like RLM who hide behind false narratives as "Yoda would never fight because he said that fighting doesn't make one great" even though having Yoda fight as a frontline general and LOSE would be something that would make him believe such a saying, because he fought in a war as one of the best fighters the Jedi had, and he still lost practically everything.

people really need to calm the fuck down with the "georgie boy did nothing wrong" wall of texts.
No one is saying that he did nothing wrong. Two out of three PT movies were just mostly OK as opposed to legendary classics; but the hate the man received was stupid, and many points about him being bad were horribly misguided or outright wrong.
 
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people really need to calm the fuck down with the "georgie boy did nothing wrong" wall of texts. for one we've been over this several times in this thread already, and if people don't know he was mocked long before the PT after the fucking holiday special they're a fucking newfag and need to stfu (inb4 "b-but he wasn't involved").

he did a lot of great things. he did a lot of retarded things. the duality of man.
Also routinely running towards blaming fans who didn't like some things being the fault of all the problems modern entertainment in general has makes you as big a faggot as the people who pretend to like TLJ to do the same thing.
 
Also routinely running towards blaming fans who didn't like some things being the fault of all the problems modern entertainment in general has makes you as big a faggot as the people who pretend to like TLJ to do the same thing.

There's a difference between not liking something, and continuously hounding the creator until he sold the farm. People saw Batman and Robin and had a laugh at Joel Schumacher's expense. Then they moved on. Then people saw Transformers 2 and panned it for being bad. But they didn't endlessly demonize Michael Bay, they moved on. The prequel hate crowd not only showed endless vitriol towards the Prequels, but against Lucas, continuing to whine and bitch and moan about how he raped their childhoods and how horrible he was as a film maker, even after a full decade since TPM came out.

Well, the Prequel haters got their wish. And Star Wars became an even bigger joke than Jar Jar Binks. So the next time people go on a tirade about how Dave Filoni or Kathleen Kennedy is ruining Star Wars again, let us not forget who inspired Lucas to sell the whole thing in the first place.
 
They didn't turn to shit. They were going in a direction that you morons didn't like, and people like you whining about it caused old man Lucas to sell to Disney. People who whined about how Lucas raped their childhoods with the Prequels are directly responsible for Lucas selling SW to Disney and directly responsible for the crap Star Wars fans had to deal with from 2015 onwards. That is the God's honest truth, and saying otherwise is just more lying.

In short, if you yahoos just moved on from the Prequels and stopped whining about how Lucas raped your childhoods, the SWEU might still be continuing now, Lucasfilm would still be an independent company devoid of SJW nonsense, and maybe we'd still be enjoying great games from Lucasarts. Maybe we'd have seen Star Wars 1313 come into being, or Imperial Commando, or Battlefront III.

Disney Star Wars is a monument to the idiocy of the Prequel-hate club. The direct result of all their endless bitching. And I will never get tired of saying that. Other so-called "bad" directors like Michael Bay and Joel Schumacker didn't get as much rage for ruining a series, people laughed at their films and moved on. So yes, you deserve the Star Wars that you get, because the Prequel-hate club wanted Lucas gone for "raping their childhoods", and they got their wish.
Lucas sold Star Wars because he got several billion dollars from it, not because of big meanies shitting on his terrible films. He does not actually care that much about the movies and while he didn’t like everyone giving him shit for it he’s enough of an adult, and a businessman before a whiny manchild and his decision was almost purely financial.
 
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Lucas sold Star Wars because he got several billion dollars from it, not because of big meanies shitting on his terrible films. He does not actually care that much about the movies and while he didn’t like everyone giving him shit for it he’s enough of an adult, and a businessman before a whiny manchild and his decision was almost purely financial.
He was also expecting things to go a certain way based off of who he left in charge (which was based off past experience with said people) and was sorely disappointed.
 
There's a difference between not liking something, and continuously hounding the creator until he sold the farm. People saw Batman and Robin and had a laugh at Joel Schumacher's expense. Then they moved on. Then people saw Transformers 2 and panned it for being bad. But they didn't endlessly demonize Michael Bay, they moved on. The prequel hate crowd not only showed endless vitriol towards the Prequels, but against Lucas, continuing to whine and bitch and moan about how he raped their childhoods and how horrible he was as a film maker, even after a full decade since TPM came out.

Well, the Prequel haters got their wish. And Star Wars became an even bigger joke than Jar Jar Binks. So the next time people go on a tirade about how Dave Filoni or Kathleen Kennedy is ruining Star Wars again, let us not forget who inspired Lucas to sell the whole thing in the first place.
Sounds like you're spouting doublestandard to me given I saw the exact same things you proclaim as "endless vitriol" when it came to the guy who made a dopamine source for you.

Joel Schumacher's career was badly damaged and most normies remember him now more for Bat Credit Card than for Falling Down by your logic. Heck, there even is some internet guy to blame for this with the same logic. But to you it's not as bad as George since that film series didn't give you as strong a hit of dopamine.

Michael Bay was routinely screamed at and tarded on for well over a decade by manchildren. A lot of big internet assholes kept screeching at him for fucking up Transformers. But because transformers didn't give you as big a hit of dopamine, you choose to lower the importance.
 
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Lucas sold Star Wars because he got several billion dollars from it, not because of big meanies shitting on his terrible films. He does not actually care that much about the movies and while he didn’t like everyone giving him shit for it he’s enough of an adult, and a businessman before a whiny manchild and his decision was almost purely financial.
He donated the money he made from the Disney deal to charity.


And his stated reason for selling was that people kept calling him a shit director.

Do the math.
 
He donated the money he made from the Disney deal to charity.


And his stated reason for selling was that people kept calling him a shit director.

Do the math.
He didn’t donate everything he got in the Disney deal, he got a couple billion worth of stock that he’s held on to that has exploded in value over the last decade, along with a cut of merchandising.
 
He didn’t donate everything he got in the Disney deal, he got a couple billion worth of stock that he’s held on to that has exploded in value over the last decade, along with a cut of merchandising.

Most of the money he made in that deal, he dumped onto charity. The Disney stock was just something on the side, and it's not like he can command Disney to do anything. If he could, they'd have stuck to his plans for the Sequels, or at least sought approval from him for their scripts.

Sounds like you're spouting doublestandard to me given I saw the exact same things you proclaim as "endless vitriol" when it came to the guy who made a dopamine source for you.

Joel Schumacher's career was badly damaged and most normies remember him now more for Bat Credit Card than for Falling Down by your logic. Heck, there even is some internet guy to blame for this with the same logic. But to you it's not as bad as George since that film series didn't give you as strong a hit of dopamine.

Michael Bay was routinely screamed at and tarded on for well over a decade by manchildren. A lot of big internet assholes kept screeching at him for fucking up Transformers. But because transformers didn't give you as big a hit of dopamine, you choose to lower the importance.

The point is, neither man received the same hate Lucas did. Joel Schumacher was only slightly mocked for his second Batman film, and then eventually forgotten. Michael Bay continued to make movies long after TF2, with him being repeatedly called back in because he knows how to milk Chinese audiences well. Neither man had the cult of hatred that Lucas had following him. Neither man received the same unrelenting hatred from fans and the critic crowd; to the point where they would even make longform reviews and documentaries about how much he sucks. Bashing George Lucas became a culture unto itself in the internet, especially in the years before the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney.

Compare the RLM review of TPM with the Nostalgia Critic review of Batman and Robin, and tell me which one spent more time whining about how bad the movie-maker was. With Bay and Schumacher, they were mocked, but forgotten. With Lucas, he was endlessly lambasted up until TLJ came out, with many in the Lucas-hate crowd even praising TFA as a positive example of how Lucas being gone fixed Star Wars.
 
Or I could compare it to the literal hours of Brad Jones sitting in a car with his friends screeching about how terrible Transformers was, which extended beyond the run time of TPM. Also the Bat Credit Card meme proliferated well beyond its source due to the Critic's placement at the time of that review. Both directors match the backlash and then some. I'll also raise Ang Lee into the mix, who distanced himself away from big budgets after he touched the Hulk and how hard that got panned. But again, those don't really matter as much to you so you try to make George this unique exception.

Comes off as double standards because those franchises inconvenience your narrative that the untermenschen OT fans are to be gassed and rounded up for ruining Star Wars. Similar to how TLJ stans want to gas all of us really. Only difference is you actually care about the series, but the mindset is the same tbh.
 
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He was also expecting things to go a certain way based off of who he left in charge (which was based off past experience with said people) and was sorely disappointed.
He was basically hoping Kennedy and team would use Disney's funding to make Star Wars Underworld happen, which was the only reason he sold in the first place (since funding at Lucasfilm was in a messy state due to a lot of Hollywood drama that's mentioned in the OP and heavy animation costs). Instead what he got was an unholy mess of executive and PR meddling while Kennedy acted as a useless parroting mannequin for Alan Horn and Iger's retarded ideas.

Its really genius in a sinister sort of way. Alan Horn and Iger got off scot free for milking and raping IPs while Spielberg's overrated ex-secretary ignorantly took the blame for them.
 
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