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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Possibly some of the Turkish demands coming out now. Oryx retweeted this guy. Don't know what the original source is other than that it's apparently Bloomberg. Aligns with what most people were guessing. Some whiny Turks in the comments complaining this is too little. I loathe haggling cultures. Fucking bazaar merchants as heads of state.

Edit: Here's an archive of the Bloomberg article since it's paywalled. Source is 'three senior Turkish officials'.
Paywalled original article.

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Erdogan's an idiot if he thinks he can get both S-400 and F-35. We'd need to teach Turkish S-400's how to avoid shooting at F-35's, and to do that we'd need to teach them how to identify them... which would very, very easily fall into Russia's hands, or anyone else in the Mideast. Easy for an Islamic sympathizer to leak it around, and if you guys think Israeli kvetching is bad now...
Not sure I could die a happier death...
Fair enough, although I'd rather live to die atop a pile of dead Russians, and have their corpses used for my funeral pyre.
 
Russia reportedly moves nuclear-capable missiles to Finland border/ https://archive.ph/ob5Rs

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Russia has reportedly moved missiles capable of firing nuclear warheads close to its border with Finland amid heightened threats over the latter’s bid to join NATO.

A fleet of more than a dozen military vehicles moved down a highway — including seven that are thought to carry Iskander missiles, a video clip shared by Reuters Monday shows.

They were taken to Vyborg, a Russian city on the Finnish border, “as soon as the president of Finland said they were joining NATO,” the unidentified narrator of the clip said.
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Nuclear-capable Iskanders filmed on May 16 en route to Vyborg, near Russian’s border with Finland.
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“Looks like a new military unit is about to be formed in Vyborg or the region,” he said.

The short-range ballistic missiles are already thought to have been used extensively by Russia — and are known to be ready to fire nuclear warheads, officials previously told Newsweek.

A senior US Air Force officer working on nuclear weapons told the outlet that the intelligence community sees the Iskander as the most serious threat.
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Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting via teleconference on May 17.
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It video emerged days after one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s closest allies warned NATO that Russia would deploy nuclear weapons and hypersonic missiles if Finland joined the US-led military alliance.

Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, said that
joining would end the “nuclear-free status for the Baltic.”
 
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Piece from The Hill today saying that the collapse and dissolution of the Russian Federation as an entity is not out of the question.

Prepare for the disappearance of Russia​



This article led me to do some quick reading on Wikipedia.


I don't know how functional some of these places would be.

If Siberia left Russia, that would be a game changer.
Reading up on all the stuff West is sending to Ukraine, specifically US lend-lease, I'm really glad I live in one of the republics that can theoretically sustain itself after breaking away if necessary.
I've been thinking about balkanization of Russia for a while now. It would be rather crazy if it just falls apart, but I wouldn't be surprised all that much. But it's hard to predict what happens after.
I feel like perhaps the biggest spanner in the works for Russia is how much they seem to be lying to their own people. And maybe I'm naive about how internet blocks/shutdowns occur in other countries, but isn't this something a lot of people under, say, 50, can easily circumvent? Doesn't need to be everyone, but if 1 in 20 people are seeing it for the shitshow it is, that seems like enough critical mass so that when Monke tells the Russians "We need another 100,000 conscripts for a war that we are definitely winning and no don't ask what happened to the last 100,000," a double-digit percent of would-be soldiers are going to decide that they have pressing business elsewhere.

This seems like a very short term plan.
Circumventing it as we speak.
 
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Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting via teleconference on May 17.
Christ, he's looking worse than Zelensky and he's the one who started the whole invasion. Putin was never the picture of health but I can see why people are saying he's going to be dropping dead of cancer. It also seems like his paranoid has gone beyond the long table and right to videoconferencing too.
 
Possibly some of the Turkish demands coming out now. Oryx retweeted this guy. Don't know what the original source is other than that it's apparently Bloomberg. Aligns with what most people were guessing. Some whiny Turks in the comments complaining this is too little. I loathe haggling cultures. Fucking bazaar merchants as heads of state.

Edit: Here's an archive of the Bloomberg article since it's paywalled.
Paywalled original article.

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I wonder why Turkey are so insistent on getting back into the F-35 project all of a sudden? I thought they were happy building their own 5th gen plane with blackjack and hookers, and then slapping drones on their assault ship/baby carrier instead.

In other interesting developments, remember when there was the diplomatic spat recently between Israel and Russia over Putin's comments? Shit potentially just got a bit more serious:
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For those that don't know, during Russia's intervention in Syria they've had a tacit understanding with Israel. Israel generally restricts it's airstrikes to Hezbollah or Iranian backed arms shipments/targets, and the Russians (who control the long range SAMs) refrain from shooting at them. This is a fairly sensible agreement for both sides. Russia is competing with the other groups for influence in Syria, so anything that hurts them, helps Russia. Meanwhile Israel gets to strike at the greater threats, without having to worry about the more capable air defense sytems (they regularly shit on the short to medium range systems that are operated directly by the Syrians anyway). In this case it appears it was basically just a warning as the radars never locked onto the Israeli jets, so was probably intended more as a reminder of "hey look what we could do to you if we wanted to. Personally I think the Israeli response should be to donate some Spike ATGMs, and Harop loitering munitions to Ukraine as a reminder of what they could do to the Russians, given how badly they've fared against ATGMs and small drones so far.
 
Possibly some of the Turkish demands coming out now. Oryx retweeted this guy. Don't know what the original source is other than that it's apparently Bloomberg. Aligns with what most people were guessing. Some whiny Turks in the comments complaining this is too little. I loathe haggling cultures. Fucking bazaar merchants as heads of state.

Edit: Here's an archive of the Bloomberg article since it's paywalled. Source is 'three senior Turkish officials'.
Paywalled original article.

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The US will never cede ground on the F-35 as long as they remain partnered with Russia on the S-400, even less so now.

They've still been bitching about wanting Patriots even well after training on the S-400 system started, and they have their own domestic stealth fighter program that already has BAE as participant.

If we apply any grease to the wheels it will likely be something regarding patriots (sans tech transfer) and/or one of our own aerospace companies working as consultant on their fighter program. I could also see the F-35 consortium possibly agreeing to allow them to restart manufacturing on the non-important F-35 components they were producing before so its not a total loss and they can say their technically back in the program.
 
Christ, he's looking worse than Zelensky and he's the one who started the whole invasion. Putin was never the picture of health but I can see why people are saying he's going to be dropping dead of cancer. It also seems like his paranoid has gone beyond the long table and right to videoconferencing too.
All great dictators / ultra wealthy weirdos (like Howard Hughes) aren't keen on germs one bit.


Video covers what Battle Order thinks are doctrinal or design issues with the VDV airborne which create issues in reality like too few dismounts in an airborne assault coy., say 48 compared to 84 for an American mechanised infantry company, or even 117 in a light infantry rifle platoon. There are also issues like an apparent aversion to dismounting to clear houses and generally patrol to secure their necessarily light vehicles, which themselves have limited situational aware. Vehicles whose men cannot see out of too well got ambushed in Ukrainian villages.

Daily Mail reports claims that Russia has double-crossed the Azovstal evacuees which frankly is predictable, but the defenders have limited choices.

Vladislav Davidzon, a Russia expert at the Atlantic Council think-tank, said: ‘A change to the law by Russian MPs could derail any prisoner swap.

It shows just how underhand Putin and his cronies are in the dishonourable way they wage war.’
 
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Personally I think the Israeli response should be to donate some Spike ATGMs, and Harop loitering munitions to Ukraine as a reminder of what they could do to the Russians, given how badly they've fared against ATGMs and small drones so far.
Na, easier to just arrange some shipments to Estonia, which are then donated by the Estonians right to the Ukrainian war effort. Avoids direct provocations while getting a very blunt message across: "We can fuck you harder without lifting a finger than you can fuck us by launching SAMs at our planes."
All great dictators / ultra wealthy weirdo (like Howard Hughes) aren't keen of germs one bit.
I'm aware, but even so he appears to be taking that caution to levels of paranoia only a Russian could contemplate. Still won't prevent his impending liver failure judging by his bloat.
 
they also have other project and they all failed.

It's still in it's early development, years away from being declared a failure or not. Certainly not anymore than the Russian, Chinese, UK, Indian, Japanese, South Korean, or the France/Germany/Spain joint effort.

All of those programs have produced about as much progress as the Turkish one has, the only ones that have produced more than a mock-up and put something in the air are Russia, China and Japan, the former two are shit and the latter just a prototype. BAE are the company responsible for the UK effort, if they're interested in cooperating with the Turks then that project has about as much chance as any of them since the BAE/the UK has more experience with this type of technology than anyone outside of the US.
 
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I wonder why Turkey are so insistent on getting back into the F-35 project all of a sudden? I thought they were happy building their own 5th gen plane with blackjack and hookers, and then slapping drones on their assault ship/baby carrier instead.

In other interesting developments, remember when there was the diplomatic spat recently between Israel and Russia over Putin's comments? Shit potentially just got a bit more serious:
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For those that don't know, during Russia's intervention in Syria they've had a tacit understanding with Israel. Israel generally restricts it's airstrikes to Hezbollah or Iranian backed arms shipments/targets, and the Russians (who control the long range SAMs) refrain from shooting at them. This is a fairly sensible agreement for both sides. Russia is competing with the other groups for influence in Syria, so anything that hurts them, helps Russia. Meanwhile Israel gets to strike at the greater threats, without having to worry about the more capable air defense sytems (they regularly shit on the short to medium range systems that are operated directly by the Syrians anyway). In this case it appears it was basically just a warning as the radars never locked onto the Israeli jets, so was probably intended more as a reminder of "hey look what we could do to you if we wanted to. Personally I think the Israeli response should be to donate some Spike ATGMs, and Harop loitering munitions to Ukraine as a reminder of what they could do to the Russians, given how badly they've fared against ATGMs and small drones so far.
Israel did already allow countries who purchased some of their systems to transfer it to Ukraine. All this over a ROCOR (very much not Putin's altar boys) controlled church in Israel.
 
Na, easier to just arrange some shipments to Estonia, which are then donated by the Estonians right to the Ukrainian war effort. Avoids direct provocations while getting a very blunt message across: "We can fuck you harder without lifting a finger than you can fuck us by launching SAMs at our planes."

I don't know what's going on with Estonia, I know they donated a third of their entire .mil budget to Ukraine, but I am not aware that they are becoming a Belarus of guns (Belarus, a landlocked country, is the biggest seafood importer/exporter between Russia and the West, busy relabeling shit ... unless they fish Atlantic salmon in their ponds)

This is a fairly dated diag of military help, I get US and Poland, but Estonia is third!

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Daily Mail reports claims that Russia has double-crossed the Azovstal evacuees which frankly is predictable, but the defenders have limited choices.

When reports of this started to come in, there was an eerie silence on other forums about it. No cheers and Zelensky apparently didn't announce any success, only "complicated situation"

From what situation sounded like, most seriously wounded had no chance in hell to survive and they ran out of meds, including pain meds never mind food. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you.
 
I don't know what's going on with Estonia
I believe Estonia has a few Israeli-made weapons systems. I already mentioned those AShM's and its possible a few other systems could make their way to Ukraine through indirect channels, not necessarily Estonia. No need to poke the bear by directly handing munitions off, because the Russians will get the message anyways once a bunch a small-hatted drones start blowing up their war equipment.
 
I don't know what's going on with Estonia, I know they donated a third of their entire .mil budget to Ukraine, but I am not aware that they are becoming a Belarus of guns (Belarus, a landlocked country, is the biggest seafood importer/exporter between Russia and the West, busy relabeling shit ... unless they fish Atlantic salmon in their ponds)

This is a fairly dated diag of military help, I get US and Poland, but Estonia is third!

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When reports of this started to come in, there was an eerie silence on other forums about it. No cheers and Zelensky apparently didn't announce any success, only "complicated situation"

From what situation sounded like, most seriously wounded had no chance in hell to survive and they ran out of meds, including pain meds never mind food. Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you.
Well if Russia wants to menace the Avoz fighters with a war crimes kangaroo court trial, they need to be alive, as the dead normally aren't put on trial, so it could still give them a chance of life, and Russia will surely think better of such stupidity. It would draw cheers only from the terminally stupid of Russia and the West.

Estonia certainly has long and bitter experience of Russia and its puffed up vindictive tyranny and Punic faith / Pūnica fidēs, Poland too. Good.
 
All great dictators / ultra wealthy weirdos (like Howard Hughes) aren't keen on germs one bit.


Video covers what Battle Order thinks are doctrinal or design issues with the VDV airborne which create issues in reality like too few dismounts in an airborne assault coy., say 48 compared to 84 for an American mechanised infantry company, or even 117 in a light infantry rifle platoon. There are also issues like an apparent aversion to dismounting to clear houses and generally patrol to secure their necessarily light vehicles, which themselves have limited situational aware. Vehicles whose men cannot see out of too well got ambushed in Ukrainian villages.

Daily Mail reports claims that Russia has double-crossed the Azovstal evacuees which frankly is predictable, but the defenders have limited choices.
The BMD seems like shit. I'm getting a lot of satisfaction seeing it's subpar performance after years of seeing people shit on the Bradley and qoute that stupid fucking Pentagon wars movie claiming it carries too few and is unarmored while BMDs are getting torn apart from PKM fire with riders being turned to abstract art from gunfire and explosions.
 
The BMD seems like shit. I'm getting a lot of satisfaction seeing it's subpar performance after years of seeing people shit on the Bradley and qoute that stupid fucking Pentagon wars movie claiming it carries too few and is unarmored while BMDs are getting torn apart from PKM fire with riders being turned to abstract art from gunfire and explosions.
The Bradley was designed to be resistant to 14.5mm fire from all angles as a simple matter of course because nobody wants a battle taxi that can get shredded by a HMG... except the Russians, who have a battle taxi that gets shredded by 7.62, meaning its of zero actual use on the battlefield. But hey, its got NBC protection, so all the Russians have to do is hope the Ukrainians launch poison gas at it.

I'll point out that the Bradley was almost immediately uparmored to withstand 30mm rounds as part of an early upgrade package as its obvious utility as a scout became apparent thanks to off-road mobility and weapons package.
 
Macron reportedly wanted Zelensky to give putin a face saving "out" and cede some territory to russia.

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I have also seen some claims that other western EU leaders have similar mindset as they're scared that if russia loses hard it will destabilize and there won't be a way back to "business as usual".
What a faggot. Once a faggot always a faggot.
Russia reportedly moves nuclear-capable missiles to Finland border/ https://archive.ph/ob5Rs

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Russia has reportedly moved missiles capable of firing nuclear warheads close to its border with Finland amid heightened threats over the latter’s bid to join NATO.

A fleet of more than a dozen military vehicles moved down a highway — including seven that are thought to carry Iskander missiles, a video clip shared by Reuters Monday shows.

They were taken to Vyborg, a Russian city on the Finnish border, “as soon as the president of Finland said they were joining NATO,” the unidentified narrator of the clip said.
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Nuclear-capable Iskanders filmed on May 16 en route to Vyborg, near Russian’s border with Finland.
VHCK-OGPU/east2west

“Looks like a new military unit is about to be formed in Vyborg or the region,” he said.

The short-range ballistic missiles are already thought to have been used extensively by Russia — and are known to be ready to fire nuclear warheads, officials previously told Newsweek.

A senior US Air Force officer working on nuclear weapons told the outlet that the intelligence community sees the Iskander as the most serious threat.
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Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting via teleconference on May 17.
EPA

It video emerged days after one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s closest allies warned NATO that Russia would deploy nuclear weapons and hypersonic missiles if Finland joined the US-led military alliance.

Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, said that
joining would end the “nuclear-free status for the Baltic.”
This is completely a bad move. Of course Putin thinks it's a genius strategy.
Grain? Try a fucking truckload, finding out that it's this fag running his mouth again deflated my optimism entirely.
Exactly when you report about someone like Steele surpporting the reports of Putin being unwell it leads to more doubt than anything else. I mean it gives the Russian bros more surpport for their "base Russia" claims because Steele surpports the story.
 
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