Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Or I could compare it to the literal hours of Brad Jones sitting in a car with his friends screeching about how terrible Transformers was, which extended beyond the run time of TPM. Also the Bat Credit Card meme proliferated well beyond its source due to the Critic's placement at the time of that review. Both directors match the backlash and then some. I'll also raise Ang Lee into the mix, who distanced himself away from big budgets after he touched the Hulk and how hard that got panned. But again, those don't really matter as much to you so you try to make George this unique exception.

Comes off as double standards because those franchises inconvenience your narrative that the untermenschen OT fans are to be gassed and rounded up for ruining Star Wars. Similar to how TLJ stans want to gas all of us really. Only difference is you actually care about the series, but the mindset is the same tbh.

Brad Jones in his car isn't as high effort as the RLM reviews or "The People vs. George Lucas". One has a gaggle of idiots just talking about a film inside a car; the other two are literal films unto themselves. Also, Brad dropped the Bay-hate after TF4; he actually loved that film for how batshit crazy it is, so your analogy doesn't even work.

It takes very little effort for Brad and Spoony to just turn on a camera and whine about Bay. It takes far more effort and skill to bitch about Lucas for hours by making an edited video review or a documentary.

And you can't possibly tell me that Bay and Schumacher received the same hate as George. I've been in the Batman and Transformers fandoms; the hate they had for those two doesn't even come close to a fraction of how much people hated Lucas back then. In 2017, how much did people hate Michael Bay? Compare that to Lucas who continued to receive hate over a decade after TPM came out. Even after Lucas said that he was done with making SW movies after 2005's Revenge of the Sith, people still continued to pour their hatred on the man, instead of celebrating the fact that he was done making SW movies.

 

[The handsome tard]

@The Gangster Computer
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Gotta say, this was the best "summary" of this shitshow. I dare say it needs to be on some official timeline of this whole mess.

Oh yeah I forgot about Rich saying star wars is a very limited setting, despite the EU making bank off so much material since the 70s.

Rich doesnt really know the power of a setting.

Your setting can be so good and expansive that you can tell any sort of story in it. You cant tell a cowboy story on, say, The Walking Dead but you can in Star Wars. If you want to tell a story in the SW universe, chances are, it could still work. We even had fucking zombies.

I can only dream of making a setting so good an entire expanded material line can still be more after 40 fucking years.

My blame only goes to Alan Horn, Iger, Filoni, Kennedy, 'fans' like Andrew Dobson and HelloGreedo, gay reactionary movies like the People vs George Lucas, that "murdered my childhood" slogan that went around among gen xers (and the MSM), George's adopted kids for refusing to continue their stepfather's legacy, and Hollywood elites, mainly those who found ways to undermine and replace ILM, THX and other George companies to cut off more of his and Lucasfilm's revenue.

The last two (George's stepkids and Hollywood) were undoubtedly the most detrimental and spelled doom for Lucasfilm from the get-go while Iger, Kennedy and Horn just took advantage of that to further their own rise in the entertainment industry.

Yeah, in retrospect, the prequel hate culture really didnt age well, at all. In fact, the same goes for some of the hatred from some Star Trek stuff at the dawn of the old trek era, closer to 2009.

Its like...did they know how good they had? They did actually understood why they didnt like the prequels? Or was it all just a bunch of circle jerking trend riding? All these "G.L raped my childhood" types just feels so petty looking back now. And it feels extra ironic that most of these "fuck the prequel" types became some of the biggest Disney dick suckers, incapable of accepting that, maybe the sequels were worse than even the prequels but you spent a good chunk of your life saying THEY were the worse so could your ego handle being THAT wrong?

Also, in Bob Iger's book, he basically admits (in a "fancy polite manner") to emotionally black mailing George Lucas over his own mortality and the fact he had no desiring heirs to the legacy of star wars. Promising him that Disney would take well care of it and he could even put someone he trusted in charge of it, with the fact that he will *chuckle* be able to have a say in its future. Ahh...corporate politics

I know Tatooine is central part of Obi Wan's story at this point I'm the timeline but I'm so sick of seeing Tatooine or any other generic desert planet at this point.

Its probably really cheap to shoot in a desert.

They don't know how to make it interesting. I know it's not fair, but Better Call Saul/Breaking Bad manage to make New Mexico interesting. Tatooine could be interesting if they understood the criminal underworld. But, as we see with Borba Fett, they can't even make a crime show right.

That is because God forbid we have a somewhat morally ambiguious main lead. A man that walks the thin line of good and evil. Perhaps a man BEYOND petty perspectives. A true crime boss that inspires fear in his enemies and respect from his allies. A man that can sit on his throne composed of the bones of his enemies.

As someone who spent years perfecting writign a character with that architecture, Book of Boba Fett annoys the fuck out of me. Your character doesnt have to be an outright good guy, doesnt need to be a selfish monster. Just someone that oozes power and let others know that you'd do better to stay on his good side, because, well, you wont get to know the bad side for very fucking long, thats for sure.

Oh God. Are they bringing those dumb spinning lightsabers to live action? They were bad enough when they were cordoned off to the shitty cartoon Rebels (or whatever it was).

If someone fucking flies with those things (my brain legit has an aneurysm seeing those things) , Im gonna flip (then again, im not watching this but Im sure a clip of it online WILL pop up if it does happen).

Maybe unpopular opinion but I like the skywalkers in the old EU being cosmically important, and having a century of history revolve around them. Maybe it’s the crypto-aristocratic vibe, I dunno?

They are particularly stronger in the force than most and Im sure that the Chosen One's high numbers still must carry far into the inter generational barriers. So you expect they are usually making history, for good or bad.

 

[Creep3r]

@The handsome tard
Reply glitches are bitches.

Gotta say, this was the best "summary" of this shitshow. I dare say it needs to be on some official timeline of this whole mess.

Its in the OP now if that counts.

Also I regret forgetting to add the details from Iger's shitty autobiography to the original post.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@The handsome tard Remember who owns Star Wars now. That's why you can't have a morally ambiguous main lead. At first, it looked like we were gonna get that with the Mandalorian, but the main guy ended up being a Mando equivalent of an altar boy/boy scout. Boba Fett went from being a wannabe Vito Corleone to becoming a town sheriff. The Bad Batch, who were introduced as violent, sometimes unhinged commandos, became the Dad Batch, with most war crimes pinned on the Imperials instead. At the end of the day, Disney is a company that mainly gets its bread by selling stuff to kids. I mean, I was just playing Jedi Outcast a while ago, and I don't think the way Kyle Katarn carries himself in the game, with him being obsessed with revenge after Desann "bumped off" his gal on Artus Prime, would be "kosher" for modern audiences. If Disney tried putting that on the big screen, the soccer moms and helicopter parents who constitute their main consumer base would get pissy that a main Jedi character is obsessed with revenge in their newest flick.

As for fans not knowing how good they had it, that really does ring true. These are the kind of people who would blow things out of proportion. Yes, TPM was a little kid-friendly with the plot, and it had a cartoon froggie who steps on the poopie. So what? It still had enough action to hold the audience's attention, not to mention a Jedi lead who was far from conventional. (Qui-Gon was one of the best spots about the movie; a Jedi who doesn't just nod when Yoda and the others bark at him.) Not to mention the well-choreographed duel between the Jedi and Darth Maul, a duel that would not be topped until ROTJ's duel between Kenobi and a younger Darth Vader. It wasn't ESB good, but neither was ROTJ; and yet both ROTJ and TPM were good in their own way. Especially since parents tend to take kids into the theater with them when seeing these movies, so having kid-friendly elements like young Anakin going on a podrace and the Ewoks made sense at the time of the late 80s and 90s.

 

[Adamska]

On Rich: He also hated the Next Generation for the same reasons at first, so he's kind of bad at catching things in general. He had the dumbest take by far and I won't defend that idiocy. Genuinely retarded take from him given I know he reads side stories for other media.

On the Dolchstoßlegende of the OT Fans: How could fans honestly know they had it good back then when the current contempt for an audience was never THIS strong in modern entertainment? That's hindsight that would not have been available to the people in 1999 or in 2002. No one could have expected a company who relies on customers that big would delusionally tell them they should die for the imaginary audience in their head. This refusing to rely on customer base and instead scamming investors is a fairly new trend less than 10 years ago.

I also cannot say strongly enough that hype is a killer if your audience expectations are well above what the film is. If you want a more modern take on the same situation, look at No Man's Sky's dev cycle and reaction to it by people when it came out; same issue with advertisement and popping into people's feeds as the PT did. A 6.5/10 will look like a 2/10 at the time, because you would be expecting much greater than it is based on what teases you had.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

On the Dolchstoßlegende of the OT Fans: How could fans honestly know they had it good back then when the current contempt for an audience was never THIS strong in modern entertainment? That's hindsight that would not have been available to the people in 1999 or in 2002. No one could have expected a company who relies on customers that big would delusionally tell them they should die for the imaginary audience in their head.

Then you weren't necessarily paying attention to Hollywood politics. They've always hated their audience. A good chunk of Hollywood's elite are radical leftists who hate America's guts; they still make films for said American audience, and on occasion, they try to insert leftist ideas here and there to try and sway as many of the audience to turn. It's just that now, the mask is off, thanks to events like Gamergate and Trump's election in 2016, so they don't even bother hiding their contempt for the audience anymore. Especially when they're banking on the Chinese market to be the place where they get the lion's share of their profits.

I also cannot say strongly enough that hype is a killer if your audience expectations are well above what the film is. If you want a more modern take on the same situation, look at No Man's Sky's dev cycle and reaction to it by people when it came out; same issue with advertisement and popping into people's feeds as the PT did. A 6.5/10 will look like a 2/10 at the time, because you would be expecting much greater than it is based on what teases you had.

To be fair, Star Wars as a whole already hit its high with Empire Strikes Back; Return of the Jedi was already a sign of slow decay; it was very kid-friendly and engaged in tropes that Lucas would indulge in with EPI, with kid-friendly things like the Ewoks and the Empire losing despite having every advantage available. It was already becoming a series with kid-friendly morality from ROTJ onwards, so I wasn't that surprised to see it represented in TPM. AOTC was an attempt to return to the seriousness that ESB had, but ROTS was the film that succeeded in getting things back to ESB levels of serious, but that was the last SW film Lucas made.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Alright, I'm breaking up this slapfight.
@Adamska & @LORD IMPERATOR are temporarily threadbanned.
They can come back after they've cooled off.

 

[Miller]

As usual, Doomcuck got "exclusive" leaks on the Kenobi miniseries, it's the same stuff that various people (including /tv/) thought it would be based on the trailer.
Also it looks like he's having WDWPro on his livestream to talk about Disney SW rumors.

 

[The handsome tard]

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Leftists really like The Last Jedi for some reason. Is it because it pissed fanboys off so much and had an Asian girl and purple haired girl-boss?

Not that Rise of Skywalker is good, it's just weird seeing people act like it's the only bad one of the new trilogy and that TLJ is top tier Star Wars when they're both shit.

Its quite interesting to see the bizarre almost symbiotic relationship that TLJ and leftists seem to have. Same goes to other pieces of media, but none compare to the attachment they have for TLJ, the only one that comes close is TLoU Part 2.

While the reason seems to variate from person to person, the most "common" one I gather is that they enjoy the themes of cultural deconstruction of the modern hero. While JJ Abrams seems the "ideal male hero" cheaply, having nothing unique or that engaging about them, Johnson seems to enjoy deconstructing that trope heavily. Now, if you enjoy his movies outside of TLJ or not, that doesnt matter, what is clear is that Johnson didnt seem to mix well into a big budget pre-established franchise. The real question is if he did all of it out of spite, out of some desperate desire to break out of the mold that JJ set (tho in the most destructive uncaring way possible, instead of, you know, improving upon it like many fans had through fan works) or maybe both. Johnson does seem to be extremely arrogant so he fits right at home with these people.

My small tangent side, its clear neither JJ Abrams and Johnson dont have any respect for the male hero and seem to love far too much the female one. Poe, for better or worse, was the closest thing to a proper male hero. He had a position of leadership, recognition of his skills, pro active and very kind (he legit befriended a stormtropper on the spot when he had all the reasons to doubt if Finn really meant it). Again, Poe is a very "played straight" example but we could still make it work, Johnson choose to deconstruct him by making him suddenly "bad" in the eyes of the story...even if it doesnt make sense within the universe (Pink hair is shit talking the man that took down Death Star 3.0 without use of the force, without him, none of you would still be alive).

Thats like if they deconstruct Han Solo in Ep 5 instead of building upon what 4 established. He was tall, handsome, masculine, didnt take shit from no one but still showed to be loyal to his friends (the ending of 4 was all about proving that trait). He literally put his neck on the line to save Luke from freezing to death. We had kind of that in TLJ in a way, with Poe risking it all (again) to save most of the rebellion by taking down a Dreadnought. Except Poe isnt celebrated for this act of bravery but reprimanded. Now, yeah, you could have done it in a more natural realistic manner. Have him being reprimanded but also being recognised ("That required a lot of courage and luck and I fear that we will run out of the stuff next time you do that."). You could have taught Poe a lesson there but TLJ does it so incompetently that its lost completely.

I guess where I am getting is that the left adores seeing social norms broken and beaten down. They can pretend that there is some symbolic value, something to learn from it and etc but I see them simply having a sick enjoyment watching old and young heroes like Luke and Poe being brought down by their female superiors because its exactly what they want for the real world. Leftists are driven by hate, sometimes its hatred towards conservatives, sometimes to their parents, sometimes to the fetus inside their wombs that commited the crime of simply wanting to exist, a lot of times towards themselves as well. And Star Wars almost seems to represent this cultural statue that needs to be taken down (since they do seem to adore bringing statues down) because you cant build back better without destroying what was there. TLJ is a different movie, thats for sure, and I feel like it appeals just enough to leftist ideals that they grow this attachment to the product because it "speaks" to them about the destruction of what came before. There is literally a phrase, said by the villain of all people, "let the past die, kill it if you have to". And that is the phrase that seems to define a lot of these wanna be revolutionaries, rebels without a cause.

I wrote a lot and Im sorry but...there is just so much to say and I didnt even say everything. But long story short is that leftists love deconstruction, especially of what came before, either because they have been taught to hate it and/or they know they will never be able to ever match it (good old selfish bitter feelings brought by their low self esteem). TLJ is one of the biggest examples of modern deconstruction and, thus, without caring for actual quality, is it hailed as an icon of their petty movement, a sign to keep going because the past needs to die so the miserable of the present can convince themselves they are worth something.

 

[Sneed F91]

Remember who owns Star Wars now. That's why you can't have a morally ambiguous main lead.

I remember in the art of TFA book that they wanted the male and female leads to be more morally ambiguous, but they shot that down quickly before production started. I can't stand how in that movie all the MCs become best friends immediately after meeting each other. It's so forced. It makes me appreciate how Han and Luke's friendship was handled in ANH and over the course of the OT.

He was basically hoping Kennedy and team would use Disney's funding to make Star Wars Underworld happen, which was the only reason he sold in the first place (since funding at Lucasfilm was in a messy state due to a lot of Hollywood drama that's mentioned in the OP and heavy animation costs). Instead what he got was an unholy mess of executive and PR meddling while Kennedy acted as a useless parroting statue for Alan Horn and Iger's retarded ideas.

Its really genius in a sinister sort of way. Alan Horn and Iger got off scot free for milking and raping IPs while Spielberg's overrated ex-secretary ignorantly took the blame for them.

He was also expecting things to go a certain way based off of who he left in charge (which was based off past experience with said people) and was sorely disappointed.

I still have no idea how George could have been so ignorant and trusting of these people to give it over to them. They're the exact kind of studio shitheads he'd hated since the 70s. Or maybe he just stopped giving a shit. His 6 movies are still his. That's all that matters to him. They legally can't change or fuck with them in any way because he (probably) got that somewhere in writing. I guess he doesn't care about their garbage fanfics and they can do whatever they want with them.

Also, in Bob Iger's book, he basically admits (in a "fancy polite manner") to emotionally black mailing George Lucas over his own mortality and the fact he had no desiring heirs to the legacy of star wars. Promising him that Disney would take well care of it and he could even put someone he trusted in charge of it, with the fact that he will *chuckle* be able to have a say in its future. Ahh...corporate politics

Iger knew he needed a brand to attract large audiences because Disney at the time was seen as something for families and little girls. So he bought Marvel and Star Wars. Speaking of, does anyone know where I can find Iger's book? I wanted to see if there was any more info about the Lucasfilm purchase and making the sequels.

And speaking of Rian Johnson...

https://collider.com/rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-update-delayed/

Presenting the least surprising news in the entire world.

@The handsome tard
It's obvious that the Lucasfilm staff utterly loathed Han Solo, especially in ESB. There's no goddamn way a movie coming out these days would have a guy like him talk to Leia the way he did, and then end up having her fall in love with him in the end. That's why they were ok with divorcing them in TFA (because she's too busy trying to save the galaxy and he's wallowing in his own self pity pretending to be a drug smuggler again), then turning him into a foolish, pathetic old man on top of it. Han was never invincible or a genius but he knew how to get out of a situation with his wits alone. Not anymore. Finn was a complete fool made to be laughed at from the start. The fanboys didn't care at the time because they were clapping too loud to notice.

Then in TLJ they make their in-house Han Solo ripoff wannabe Poe Dameron (he didn't have a personality in TFA) get completely shit on by his all female leadership for being brash, impulsive and an egotistical flyboy. Disregarding how weird it is for a military commander to passive aggressively insult her male subordinate in front of everyone (women amirite), Leia trusted Poe to find the map to Luke (god that's still stupid) then she's slapping him in the face and reprimanding him in front of everyone for saving their lives from the First Order. It's not subtle what they were trying to do at all.

I would also like to remind everyone that Holdo was supposed to be flirting with Poe during their scenes together, but it ended up being so bad Roundhead just cut it from the film. I'm also reminded of how Young Soylo in Soylo was dragged around the entire movie by more competent characters like a lost puppy, simped after his gf for years, then gets his ass kicked by her in a fight while she has sex with another man. Or something like that. Solo a Star Wars Story fucking sucked.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

So, I understand that my timing is completely off with this post, as I missed the street date for the actual anniversary itself, but I'd like to offer a hearty 20th Anniversary in my usual editorial style to my third favorite Star Wars film, Attack of the Clones.

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Spoiler: Warm Memories of a Clunky, Special Oddity

I know plenty of you are wincing internally or otherwise utterly aghast at the idea that this movie being in anyone's Top 3, and yeah, I won't pretend for a second that this film is for everyone. However, I can say without an ounce of irony or apologetic reserve that this movie was immensely important to me as both a fledgling SW fan, and a ravenous devourer of escapist fantasy movies...in the same way I imagine people latched onto 80's fantasy schlock like Hawk the Slayer, Krull, or the live-action Masters of the Universe. You know deep down that the film is flawed, and probably not that well-made, but it gets enough visceral and satisfying things right for you that it stays with you.

That was very much the case for me and Ep. II as a kid. Weird as it may seem, my interest in SW was pretty relaxed up till watching this one; I enjoyed the OT fine, and Phantom Menace was certainly enjoyable...but Clones was the entry that arrested me as an impressionable kid, and sucked me into the SW universe properly. From a purely artistic perspective, the movie just lit my imagination ablaze; I was drawing in my notebook at school for weeks on end, doodling everything from the Kaminoans to the Geonosis Beasts, to Jango's Westar pistols, to all the new lightsaber hilts seen in the film, to all the new ships and trooper types. Plus, the movie was just pure wish fulfillment for me; Obi-Wan had always been my favorite character in the OT because he was a window to the past. Every time he'd wax reminiscence and regale Luke about the "Jedi being guardians of peace and justice", or fighting in the Clone Wars, or training Anakin as a pupil, part of me was always desperate to see all that play out on screen. Clones gave me all of that in spades: we got Anakin and Obi-Wan butting heads as Master and Apprentice, a sprawling battle with an army of Jedi Knights fighting shoulder-to-shoulder like the Knights of the Round Table, and the massive Clone battle that was nothing short of spectacular to my young eyes. I must've rewinded that part on my DVD and studied every frame more times than a conspiracy theorist studying the Kennedy shooting.

And while it sounds like most of my enrapturing was with the visual splendor of the film--and in fairness, a lot of it is--I was also really into Anakin's story throughout the film. This may sound bizarre in retrospect, but he embodied everything I thought was "cool" about being a Jedi Knight. He was a brooding kid who prioritized speed and thrills over Jedi duty, spent all his time lusting and trying to impress an admittedly-cute Natalie Portman, has a rebellious authority complex with his master...things that made him that cool teenager I wanted to be as a kid. And his ultimate failure to save his mother boiling over into a feverish anger (which is brilliantly conveyed by Hayden Christiansen, btw), was something I could relate to....which may send up some red flags about what kind of disturbed kid I was at that age, so take that for what you will.

Now, of course, the thing that mires any and all discussion of this movie is its acting and special effects, which I won't bother debating the merits of. But as I've posted, weak special effects and hokey dialogue/acting have never been a detriment to films that boast merits in other areas. I like wildly-imperfect films like Excalibur, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Speed Racer, Conan The Barbarian, and The Mummy, movies that are rife with a lot of the same production maladies as AOTC with their effects and dialogue. And yet I come back to all these films religiously, because they have memorable qualities that make them engaging watches, warts and all. So if watching Anakin and Padme roll around in the grass or Force Exchange a CGI pear is the necessary toll to watch Obi-Wan fistfighting Jango in the rain, or Anakin embarking on a Searchers-like journey to recover his mother, I'll happily wade through an ocean of stiffly-acted whirlwind romance. Unlike the cringe apocalypse that is Reylo, the payoff's actually fucking worth it.

That also dovetails into my rare and heretical opinion that this movie has arguably the single most entertaining final act of any SW film ever made. From the second Anakin and Padme get wheeled into the Geonosis Arena, it's a relentless assault on your senses: we get a pulpy Beast Arena fight straight out of a John Carter novel, then the Jedi Order laying waste to an army of droids like total badasses, the swarms of Clones battling the Separatist Forces in the blistering dust of the Geonosis dunes, the trifecta of lightsaber duels punctuated with Yoda fighting for the very first time...it just doesn't let you breathe. It's a spectacle that borders on bat-shit lunacy, upping the creativity a mile a minute while your brain melts in a desperate attempt to keep up. And I never outgrew it--for years, I'd still stumble on this movie while channel surfing thanks to Spike TV marathoning the saga constantly, and I'm not ashamed to admit the number of times I'd stop everything to make some buttery popcorn and tune in for the lunacy of that final act.

Fuck the Superbowl. Fuck the trainwreck that is modern wrestling. Give me the Battle of Geonosis, fuzzy low-res CGI and all.

Now, if I had any grievances about the film--ones that actually impact the movie for me--it's not so much what's in the film, but what isn't. This is one of the rare instances where I find that a Star Wars movie suffers from the deleted scenes Lucas decided to cut. Scenes like Padme's protest at the Senate Hall to the side-jaunt to her family home added some much-needed texture to her character, and even have some decent scenes of Anakin interacting with her family and fleshing out his protective nature. I especially like the scene where Padme's sister is teasing her about having the hots for Anakin, which the latter brushes off and tries to deny. It's one of those things that would've made her rejection of him at the fireplace far less abrupt and out of nowhere, and better illustrate her as the more sensible, mature one of the two. So if anyone ever makes a fanedit with those scenes restored, it will be the definitive version of this film.

Of course, there is an alternative in terms of a glossy revision of this movie, which I recommend to even the staunchest of this film's haters...and that is R.A. Salvatore's novelization of the film. Written with the full involvement of Lucas himself, the book restores all of the deleted scenes, gives insights to Anakin's thoughts and emotions that might've been lost in the shuffle of Lucas' admittedly weak directing, and the benefit of having all the romance scenes written by someone other than George himself. Better yet, the book even expands the Tatooine Subplot by showing Shmi's kindapping in full, and the disastrous rescue attempt by Clieg Lars and his comrades that we're only ever told about in the film.

To be clear, I'm not passing judgment on anyone who hates this movie. As with my opinions on the Yuuzhan Vong, the Special Editions, and divisive works like Legacy of the Force, I know I'm 100% alone in my devout admiration for the film...even though I'm not blind to the film's faults. As I've often said, every time I think I'm being too harsh on this film's flaws, I check myself by asking whether or not I'd like these same production maladies to be present in better made and better acted films that I love...and the answer is always a definitive "no."

Having said that, this film has aged remarkably well in the face of Disney's recent failings, at least to me. It has creativity where the ST has none, and heart where the ST feels empty. You can sense, and even appreciate, Lucas' intentions in every scene, whether he successfully attains them or not. And I can say that without a shred of irony that a lot of what drew me to the larger SW universe are elements that originated within this film. People can argue that the PT Era, and this film in particular, are only salvaged due to supplementary material like games and comics...but where would that media be without this film introducing all the necessary elements in the first place? Would R.A. Salvatore have been able to improve the romance without the fleeting good parts of it in this movie demonstrating its potential? Would Genndy Wars, or the Republic comics, or games like Battlefront II be as immersive or engaging without all the iconography and cool designs that originated here first? Would Jude Watson have been able to expertly explore Obi-Wan and Anakin's begrudging relationship if this film hadn't given us a taste of their dynamic? And would Anakin's turbulent Dark Side tendencies and emotional instability have been explored so thoroughly in books and comics had Hadyen's performance and this film's characterization not informed such aspects in the first place?

One of the main reasons that the ST is so unsalvageable is because there's nothing to build off of. There isn't an interesting conflict, one iota of interesting design work, or even a glimmer of character potential that's worth exploring in supplemental media. This precisely why they can't be "saved" in the same way that outside media saved the PT...because there isn't an interesting enough foundation at its core to patch up with supplementary material.

And to me, AOTC will always be redeemable for that very reason. Like it or not, it introduced things to the SW worth saving, worth salvaging, and worth keeping in the Star Wars Universe. Under its myriad of problems, its dense thicket of stilted performances and dated CGI, it has just enough in the way of redeeming qualities to spark the imagination and act as a bedrock for superior storytelling.

...On the off-chance that I've reminded you of those redeeming qualities, and you're considering grumbling your way through the film, I recommend completing the watch experience by following it up with the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon...as the opening episode, right down to the music, enables it to work as a seamless transition from the ending of Attack of the Clones.

Who knows? You might end up having the same inexplicable amount of fun with it that I do, and will continue to do for years to come.

TL ; DR​

Yes, I know the film is lacking in merit. No, I will never stop loving it, even if I'm the only one.

 

[Creep3r]

As usual, Doomcuck got "exclusive" leaks on the Kenobi miniseries, it's the same stuff that various people (including /tv/) thought it would be based on the trailer.
Also it looks like he's having WDWPro on his livestream to talk about Disney SW rumors.

Once again, Doomcuck is late to the party. Most of the shit he's spewing has been going around for months.

As for WDWPro, I'm not sure whether he can be trusted anymore. He was consistently right about a lot of things early on, but after a while it started to seem like he was purposely misleading people with hopium, especially on SW stuff, which I recall sounds less valid from him since I recall that he once admitted that Lucasfilm was not an area he was involved with at Disney.

@The handsome tard
Deconstruction was basically Alan Horn and Iger's entire MO. The two had zero respect for the franchise and Kennedy did jackshit to stop them because all she cared about was promotions, more deconstruction and tentacles (Abeloth's avatar confirmed).

I wrote a lot and Im sorry but...there is just so much to say and I didnt even say everything.

Say whatever you want to say. Let it all out boyo.

I remember in the art of TFA book that they wanted the male and female leads to be more morally ambiguous, but they shot that down quickly before production started.

You mean Sam and Kira right? One of the few leftovers from George's early drafts. It was clear there was a lot of moral ambiguity going on. Even the main villain faction was going to be some sort of Force atheists who wanted to wipe out all jedi and the main enforcer for the main villain was also going to be a femme fatale twilek "jedi killer" who went around fucking jedi to death which definitely wouldn't fly under Disney's radar no matter what.

I can't stand how in that movie all the MCs become best friends immediately after meeting each other. It's so forced. It makes me appreciate how Han and Luke's friendship was handled in ANH and over the course of the OT.


I still have no idea how George could have been so ignorant and trusting of these people to give it over to them. They're the exact kind of studio shitheads he'd hated since the 70s. Or maybe he just stopped giving a shit.

He trusted Kennedy and Spielberg too much. All Kennedy cared about was ascending, Horn and Iger's intents be damned, and all Spielberg cared about was putting his kosher boy JJ front and center and helping KK. And yeahb

Iger knew he needed a brand to attract large audiences because Disney at the time was seen as something for families and little girls. So he bought Marvel and Star Wars. Speaking of, does anyone know where I can find Iger's book? I wanted to see if there was any more info about the Lucasfilm purchase and making the sequels.

And speaking of Rian Johnson...
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https://collider.com/rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-update-delayed/

Presenting the least surprising news in the entire world.

This fag is never getting his movies. Also considering that Rogue Squadron movies and Eclipse have been shut down too, I'm pretty sure Chapek will be looking forward to cancelling as much as possible to avoid unneeded wastes of budget.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Ok, enough 20,000 words essays on this thread for a while, let's keep it short and sweet now!

 

[Mr. 0]

been awhile since this video made an appearance:

 

[Akumaten]

I remember in the art of TFA book that they wanted the male and female leads to be more morally ambiguous

They went from ambiguous to androgynous. Rey in looks and name looks ugly.

 

[Sneed F91]

They went from ambiguous to androgynous. Rey in looks and name looks ugly.

That's what happens when you try incredibly hard to make your female character quote on quote strong "because feminism" to the point you ironically give them masculine traits. Rey is barely female. Also you're right Rey is a not a good name. I don't know why they didn't just stick with Kira. Maybe it was too feminine?

 

[XYZpdq]

That's what happens when you try incredibly hard to make your female character quote on quote strong "because feminism" to the point you ironically give them masculine traits. Rey is barely female. Also you're right Rey is a not a good name. I don't know why they didn't just stick with Kira. Maybe it was too feminine?

paramount/cbs had a strongly worded letter about following up the bad guys being "the federation" by featuring a bitchy unlikable dyke named Kira

 

[Uranus Pink]

That's what happens when you try incredibly hard to make your female character quote on quote strong "because feminism" to the point you ironically give them masculine traits. Rey is barely female. Also you're right Rey is a not a good name. I don't know why they didn't just stick with Kira. Maybe it was too feminine?

Kira is almost exclusively a female name in North America and Europe afaik. Ray/Rey is effectively gender neutral and perfect for western "THIS MAN HAVE NO DICK!!!" androgynous characters.

 

[Meriasek]

There is also this edit made in the same year as the one you posted.

 

[Moff Ensign]