Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Rome's rightful successor]

And speaking of Rian Johnson...

https://collider.com/rian-johnson-star-wars-trilogy-update-delayed/ Presenting the least surprising news in the entire world.

I'm surprise they were still trying to make this.

With visuals

 

[Midwit]

Also you're right Rey is a not a good name.

 

[Akumaten]

Rey is barely female. Also you're right Rey is a not a good name.

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Ironically, I've seen better "Rei" characters, the "nothing" character, done better. Ayanami Rei from Evangelion, Eureka from Eureka Seven, Even Odo from Star Trek DS9 whose name in Cardassian means "nothing/unknown". They build and maintain something. Rey (from Star Wars) does nothing to build her identity or search anything with her own free will,

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

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Amuro Rey is only half as retarded as the other names in Mobile Suit Gundam, like Frau Bow or Ramba Ral or Lalah or Degwin Sodo Zabi.

Of course, then Gundam Wing would roll in and top those levels of retardation with: "See the hero character? His name's Heero! And that girl who's all about pacifism...her name is Peacecraft!"

Real subtle, guys.

 

[Flammifer]

Maybe they're just strong believers in nominative determinism.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

If and when Kennedy leaves Lucasfilm, would any studio be dumb enough to hire her? You got to have ambition to run the biggest IP into the ground and Kennedy has done that with Iger. Maybe Netflix.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Some youtuber made a video praising Galaxy Edge.

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

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@Mississippi Motorboater
I can't stress enough how much reading Tattooine Ghost helped me appreciate TPM and AOTC. Anakin's split from (and then reunion with) his mother hits way harder knowing about Shmi's journal and how she longed to know what became of her son after leaving with Qui-Gon. That and the parts about Watto missing Anakin and taking pity on Shmi greatly serve in humanizing Anakin and outlining the tragic aspects of his story the way George intended.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

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@Mississippi Motorboater
I can't stress enough how much reading Tattooine Ghost helped me appreciate TPM and AOTC. Anakin's split from (and then reunion with) his mother hits way harder knowing about Shmi's journal and how she longed to know what became of her son after leaving with Qui-Gon. That and the parts about Watto missing Anakin and taking pity on Shmi greatly serve in humanizing Anakin and outlining the tragic aspects of his story the way George intended.

That's the beauty of books like Tatooine Ghost. You could tell that the authors had dedicated an unhealthy amount of time contemplating the emotional and psychological repercussions of events in the films, and how they affected characters like Shmi off-screen.

And they used that to add to what you know and see in the films, to enhance the story by magnifying the impact of filmic events. It's not like today's books where the authors seem determined to undermine what the films show us ("Oh, you think Luke destroying the Death Star was a Herculean act of heroism? W-Well, my OC Jyn Erso did everything that mattered!!!1!"). No, instead they highlight things like Shmi's separation from Anakin, and add real and organic components like her journal to punctuate the emotional impact of her death in Episode II. It's complimenting what's already there, not taking away from it.

And by doing so, they enhance the films on repeated viewings, so that important events carry even more weight than they did initially. Remember in Revenge of the Sith, how we see the painful process of Vader being rebuilt, right down to the mask being lowered onto his face like the steel door of a cage being shut on him? Well, James Luceno builds off of that in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, showing us the discomfort and agony of Vader transitioning to that suit, and eventually purging himself of any discomfort to better slip into his machine-like persona as seen in the OT. Remember how Return of the Jedi makes a big deal about the hoops the heroes have to jump through to break into Jabba's palace and rescue Han? Shadows of the Empire shows you all the heat, stress and frustration it took to land every character into their necessary place in the movie (like Leia in her Boush disguise), as well as the ravenous competition Boba Fett was up against to deliver Han to Jabba in the first place.

All of these things will be squarely on your mind every time you revisit the films, and slip in organically like they've always been there. That's what true supplementary material should do: Enhance, not take away.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Amuro Rey is only half as retarded as the other names in Mobile Suit Gundam, like Frau Bow or Ramba Ral or Lalah or Degwin Sodo Zabi.

Original MSG Amuro Rey's name was the least offensive part of him; since he was almost literally the textbook example of a Gary Sue.

Of course, then Gundam Wing would roll in and top those levels of retardation with: "See the hero character? His name's Heero! And that girl who's all about pacifism...her name is Peacecraft!"

Real subtle, guys.

The western Gundam fandom was so much nicer albeit exponentially smaller and still autistic before the fansubs of Wing came to the West then the fujoshis came and started shitting up the place.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Original MSG Amuro Rey's name was the least offensive part of him; since he was almost literally the textbook example of a Gary Sue.

I still remember watching Gundam for the first time a short while back, and being bewildered at how comically-underdeveloped the whole "Newtype" concept with Amuro was.

It got even worse in Zeta, where before the story has come anywhere close establishing the rules or limits for this concept, it introduces even MORE shit like the "Cyber Newtypes" and Lalah coming back as a fucking cosmic ghost or something (which, that last one nearly had me laughing myself into a coma when I saw it for the first time in the show).

 

[Sneed F91]

Remember, the biggest problem with Soylo wasn't that it was a pile of memberberry dogshit with a bad case of prequlitis, it was recasting Harrison Ford. Next time they'll just deepfake him.
Yeah Alden whatever his name is was pretty bad as Han, but he could have been a half decent no-name smuggler who isn't Han. The whole movie was just a terrible idea from the start. They should have just got the guy who looks just like Harrison Ford instead.

@The Gangster Computer

Spielberg may have also had a hand in all of this through her but the exact details are vague or rumor-based

JJ bragged about how Spielberg was the one to convince KK to hire him as director for TFA.

Original MSG Amuro Rey's name was the least offensive part of him; since he was almost literally the textbook example of a Gary Sue

Maybe. But fuck it, Amuro's not Rey Palpatine and that's good enough for me. Also Gundam isn't complete trash like Disney Wars.

That's the beauty of books like Tatooine Ghost. You could tell that the authors had dedicated an unhealthy amount of time contemplating the emotional and psychological repercussions of events in the films, and how they affected characters like Shmi off-screen.

And they used that to add to what you know and see in the films, to enhance the story by magnifying the impact of filmic events. It's not like today's books where the authors seem determined to undermine what the films show us ("Oh, you think Luke destroying the Death Star was a Herculean act of heroism? W-Well, my OC Jyn Erso did everything that mattered!!!1!"). No, instead they highlight things like Shmi's separation from Anakin, and add real and organic components like her journal to punctuate the emotional impact of her death in Episode II. It's complimenting what's already there, not taking away from it.

And by doing so, they enhance the films on repeated viewings, so that important events carry even more weight than they did initially. Remember in Revenge of the Sith, how we see the painful process of Vader being rebuilt, right down to the mask being lowered onto his face like the steel door of a cage being shut on him? Well, James Luceno builds off of that in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, showing us the discomfort and agony of Vader transitioning to that suit, and eventually purging himself of any discomfort to better slip into his machine-like persona as seen in the OT. Remember how Return of the Jedi makes a big deal about the hoops the heroes have to jump through to break into Jabba's palace and rescue Han? Shadows of the Empire shows you all the heat, stress and frustration it took to land every character into their necessary place in the movie (like Leia in her Boush disguise), as well as the ravenous competition Boba Fett was up against to deliver Han to Jabba in the first place.

All of these things will be squarely on your mind every time you revisit the films, and slip in organically like they've always been there. That's what true supplementary material should do: Enhance, not take away.

I haven't read this book, but while it seems pretty cool and all as someone who actually likes that aspect of AOTC, the problem is you shouldn't have to read books in order to make these movies make more sense. Sequeltards use the exact same flawed reasoning. "the first order and Luke running away make sense if you read 5 tie in novels, watch the tv shows, etc"

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Kathleen, you were the problem with Solo. The acting was fine, the issue was that you took creative control away from the original directors and fired them for making a more comedic movie, which is ironic given Kathleen let JJ do the same and wants funny aliens. I honestly don’t believe you when you say the original cut was bad because Ace Ventura, you were likely just pulling shit out of your ass so you can ruin another project. The actual film itself had the makings of a fun romp if you cut out the Disney Wars bullshit like Maul and needing to explain Han’s last name. It seems like Kennedy just trashed the good aspects to turn it into product #4 of Disney Wars.

Also, the Last Jedi happened before, so no fans wanted to give the film a shot.

 

[Uranus Pink]

@The Gangster Computer
Maybe. But fuck it, Amuro's not Rey Palpatine and that's good enough for me. Also Gundam isn't complete trash like Disney Wars.

Amuro grew the fuck up which is something I will give him credit for. Gundam franchise is pretty good when it's not rehashing the One Year War ad nauseum or catering to fujoshis. Although TurnA Gundam turning the Gundam heterosexual fanbase hard gay was a rather amusing side effect of Tomino flipping the bird at Sunrise Bandai

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I haven't read this book, but while it seems pretty cool and all as someone who actually likes that aspect of AOTC, the problem is you shouldn't have to read books in order to make these movies make more sense. Sequeltards use the exact same flawed reasoning. "the first order and Luke running away make sense if you read 5 tie in novels, watch the tv shows, etc"

That's precisely why the examples I included weren't books written to make certain scenes make sense, or to patch in elements that are vital to understanding the film's plot and characters.

Tatooine Ghost is not required reading to understand how Shmi got abducted, in the same way that Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader is not required to understand the painful process of how Anakin was rebuilt into the mechanical monster he is in the OT....because both are either shown or explained in their respective films. Again, as I stated in my anniversary post for AOTC, the narrative foundation for these things are already existent within the films. You can argue that they lack the emotional weight to be impactful due to dialogue choices or direction of actors leading up to these scenes, but they ARE there.

The problem with the ST is that foundation doesn't exist for them. Completely inept authors like Claudia Gray or Chuck Wendig had to concoct laughable explanations for things like the formation of the First Order or the dissaray of the Solo Family because the films themselves didn't tell us how those things happened, full stop. The EU books I mentioned weren't making up whole swaths of vital character history to supplant missing information in the PT...but the sequel tie-ins very much are, because neither J.J. Abrams nor Rian Johnson thought it was pertinent for the audience to understand the reason for any of the ensuing conflict or drama unfolding on-screen. Like them or not, the PT movies told you all of those things, even if they didn't tell them well. Even if you're not emotionally invested in what's happening, you still know what is happening.

The ST tells you nothing, and expects you to be invested on the basis of nothing. And that's a problem no book or comic can ever fix, and is a narrative malady in a completely different ballpark than anything found in the PT.

 

[Akumaten]

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Remember, the biggest problem with Soylo wasn't that it was a pile of memberberry dogshit with a bad case of prequlitis, it was recasting Harrison Ford. Next time they'll just deepfake him.

My problem was that Disney gave Han Solo the Black Widow treatment, killed him off then gave him a movie.

 

[Sneed F91]

That's precisely why the examples I included weren't books written to make certain scenes make sense, or to patch in elements that are vital to understanding the film's plot and characters.

Tatooine Ghost is not required reading to understand how Shmi got abducted, in the same way that Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader is not required to understand the painful process of how Anakin was rebuilt into the mechanical monster he is in the OT....because both are either shown or explained in their respective films. Again, as I stated in my anniversary post for AOTC, the narrative foundation for these things are already existent within the films. You can argue that they lack the emotional weight to be impactful due to dialogue choices or direction of actors leading up to these scenes, but they ARE there.

The problem with the ST is that foundation doesn't exist for them. Completely inept authors like Claudia Gray or Chuck Wendig had to concoct laughable explanations for things like the formation of the First Order or the dissaray of the Solo Family because the films themselves didn't tell us how those things happened, full stop. The EU books I mentioned weren't making up whole swaths of vital character history to supplant missing information in the PT...but the sequel tie-ins very much are, because neither J.J. Abrams nor Rian Johnson thought it was pertinent for the audience to understand the reason for any of the ensuing conflict or drama unfolding on-screen. Like them or not, the PT movies told you all of those things, even if they didn't tell them well. Even if you're not emotionally invested in what's happening, you still know what is happening.

The ST tells you nothing, and expects you to be invested on the basis of nothing. And that's a problem no book or comic can ever fix, and is a narrative malady in a completely different ballpark than anything found in the PT.

You're entirely right. No matter what people say, there was (almost) nothing to the DT from day one. Any potential it could have had was wiped away during pre-production, or if you really watch to stretch the first 30 or so minutes of TFA before they leave not-Tatooine. All of the plot beats regarding Anakin and his mom Shmi are actually in the films. The sequels books are just an excuse to fill plot holes, not expand anything in the movies in any meaningful way. That's why they stopped making DT-era content, because there's nothing to it.

Just found a new video interviewing Hayden, Ewan, and the strong female from Kenobi

Seeing Hayden all over the place for this show makes me wonder how much he's gonna be in this shit. I know he's gonna be in the Vader suit, but James Earl Jones is his voice, and we all know what he sounds like now

I also found a interesting interview with Hayden talking about the making of AOTC for the 20th anniversary here. Apparently he played Anakin as "whinny" as he did in AOTC because George told him to.

My problem was that Disney gave Han Solo the Black Widow treatment, killed him off then gave him a movie.

This too. Holy hell what a retarded decision. Did they expect anyone to give a shit after they killed him off in such a stupid and pathetic way 3 years earlier? Not to mention Avengers Infinity War came out a month before Soylo which guaranteed the movie was going to flop.

 

[Polyboros2]

The real last time Mark Hamill portrayed Luke Skywalker.

Made it through Vector Prime. This is probably going to be a pretty flat Audio narration from here on out. Like the Jedi Search Trilogy, this was Library of Congress/(Something) for the Blind unabridged recordings, not the retail version. Still I'll gladly take them over the abridged versions.

I actually found some OLD forum posts of mine review the series as I read it. My memory was quite off. I thought I read it around the time it released, but I started in my last year of High School. I thought I liked Vector Prime and hated the next 4 novels, but liked the majority of the rest of the series. Turns out I hated this book and books 4 and 5, the Agents of Chaos duology, but liked Dark Tide duology, books 2 and 3.

I'm mixed on it, I definitely didn't hate it. It goes on too long, it should of ended with the defeat of the Star Destroyer attacking the Vong the first time, it felt like a good conclusion to show what a threat these new invaders were. Them coming back and using the shield ships to heat the planet up until it froze and then exploded really fucking sucked. It felt like it was written before they knew for sure it was going to be a big series, and they wanted it to be self contained incase they had to cancel everything coming after it. I don't think it's a bad entry, Salvatore is an odd author for it. The only other SW book he's done is the Novelization of Attack of the Clones, he's a prolific DnD Forgotten Realms author IIRC. He does have some nice characterization, there is a moment where Han is dealing with his coming to adulthood kids, and his line "Teenagers" is presented in a way that I really could hear an older Han from the movies saying it. It's hard to make a character sound like themselves with a single word and he did it.

• Spoiler: I always try to find some behind the scenes info for these posts

  The writers at Del Rey wanted to kill a character to emphasize this was a different era in the EU from the Bantam's. Their first choice was Luke but Lucas nixed that, as well as said R2-D2 and C-3PO were off limits. Han, Leia, and Lando were all considered before they decided to put the Solo's dog down. It seems to be half the reason I hated the book as a teen. Re-experiencing it, especially after going through the Bantam Era where he's just sort of there(more so than much less significant characters than him from the movies), I'm less bothered by it. They really didn't do anything good with Chewie.
  [*]The invaders from outside the galaxy were originally going to be Sith, Lucas nixed this as he stated the Sith were incapable of forming of functional society(uh oh Old Republic bros...).
  [*]The Vong's use of Biotech was entirely Salvatore's idea. I'm glad for it. It's about the only thing that feels alien to the Vong, a lot of time it's goofy, but I really enjoy the New Republic really struggling to adapt to a enemy that has completely foreign methods of fighting. I actually wish they made more of it, from what I recall they even the scales pretty early on and then it's pretty normal combat. I would of liked to have a back and forth, maybe it's better than I remember, but I feel like by the next two books they are largely equalized.
  [*]I always head Lucas nixed Anakin falling to the Dark side because thought it would get confused with the Prequels, but their original plot was Anakin was going to fall in love with one of the extragalactic Sith women and that was going to be the cause of his fall, and Lucas didn't want two Anakin's going Dark Side due to being a simp.
  [*]Only the faction of Vong from the first world ship were suppose to be masochist and self-mutilator. The idea was there were going to be multiple ideologies amongst the Vong, but future writers misinterpreted this and made the whole race that way.

 

[Screamer]

Seeing Hayden all over the place for this show makes me wonder how much he's gonna be in this shit. I know he's gonna be in the Vader suit, but James Earl Jones is his voice, and we all know what he sounds like now

Makes me suspect flashbacks with digital deaging.

 

[verissimus]

If and when Kennedy leaves Lucasfilm, would any studio be dumb enough to hire her? You got to have ambition to run the biggest IP into the ground and Kennedy has done that with Iger. Maybe Netflix.

Wouldn't she retire by then? She's already in her 60s. Besides, as you said, who would want to hire her anyway? Why would she accept any other position (i.e. president of a studio) than what she currently enjoys? There isn't really any higher position out there in the movie business besides being head of the MCU.