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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Guessing the ongoing coup against Putin was fake news then?

Either shit goes down in Russia and Putin is removed or World War Three is on the calendar.

Normies told me in Feb of 2020 that COVID 19 would be a nothing burger, I won't bother asking their opinion this time.

Please tell me Putin has been disposed? Someone?

Anyone?
You do realize that next guy could be worse?
 
Guessing the ongoing coup against Putin was fake news then?

Either shit goes down in Russia and Putin is removed or World War Three is on the calendar.

Normies told me in Feb of 2020 that COVID 19 would be a nothing burger, I won't bother asking their opinion this time.

Please tell me Putin has been disposed? Someone?

Anyone?
The most I hear are scattered rumors about the possibilities of a coup, now that many Russians have begun to realize that yes, this is a war, and yes, they are losing.

You do realize that next guy could be worse?
Not likely. Most people in power in Russia don't have the strength of will that Putin has, mostly because anyone with that kind of will has probably been exiled or jailed. They're all butt-kissers now, and most likely, they'll just do enough to make peace with the West once Putin is gone.

It's like back in the Downfall movie, where the German generals are completely restricted by Hitler's commands when he was still in charge, but once he leaves the driver seat and admits defeat, they're completely clueless as to what they should do, outside of surrendering, which they eventually did.
 
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Soviet Union had excess of manpower but dire shortage of everything else, from literally raw materials to steel to machinery and tools. Also basic food, blankets, shoes ...

By lend-lease US and allies supplied 257 723 498 buttons for Soviet uniforms, down to buttons, not 499 or 497, 498.

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Significance of Lend Lease has been downplayed and erased in Soviet Union and then in Russia, Putin saying that even without Western help they would still win, even without Ukrainians and Khazakhs and everyone else, because Russia uber alles.

I know that Soviets issued uniforms from dead men, simply washed and issued to new recruits. In one memoirs, a conscript from Far East said that during their training they had very little to nothing to eat as food was all sent to front lines and it's been a long wait to get equipped and sent to fight, where conditions were far better food wise. Their training camp was more like concentration camp for conscripts.



Soviet Red Army prior to Barbarossa, was bigger and better equipped than Nazi Germany. Also, most warehouses were massed on the border and were overtaken by Nazis or destroyed in the first few weeks, which leads to a lot of speculations as to Stalin's plans and timing of those plans. Also, hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers surrendered in the first months of the invasion, completely overwhelming Germans.

officially, yes
but both sides knew that war betwen the two was an inevitability. stalin was surprised because it came much sooner than he had expected, he thought hitler would only start thinking about war in the east after dealing with great britain in the west, so barbarossa came as a big shock to him.
some say stalin was already in the process of preparing to launch an invasion into germany before barbarossa kicked off, some soviet defector wrote books about this theory, but i'm not sure if this is credible.
When Viktor Suvorov defected that was his claim which I find questionable given the context of the Red Army still reeling from Stalin's purges and having fallen flat on its face in Finland, as well as other questionable claims he made. I don't doubt Stalin was going to conduct a special military operation in Europe since he'd already spent 1939-1940 invading Poland and the Baltics but it was probably at least another year out.
 
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It's like back in the Downfall movie, where the German generals are completely restricted by Hitler's commands when he was still in charge, but once he leaves the driver seat and admits defeat, they're completely clueless as to what they should do.
However disastrous Russian adventure to Ukraine may turn out to be; it's bit premature to compare that with German experience in WW2.
 
However disastrous Russian adventure to Ukraine may turn out to be; it's bit premature to compare that with German experience in WW2.
But the leadership dynamics are the same. Just as with Hitler and the German generals, most of Putin's top generals and military leaders are his ass-kissers. The moment he's gone, they're not liable to do anything decisive or revolutionary, because most of that spirit has been beaten out of the Russian upper class by Putin himself, to ensure that none of them would challenge him or his actions.
 
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Expansions are cheaper than the base game. Even when misreading the shopping list for their falseflag, the Russians find a way to make a little extra money on the side.
Never trust someone that played sims. That’s what I take from this.
 
But the leadership dynamics are the same. Just as with Hitler and the German generals, most of Putin's top generals and military leaders are his ass-kissers. The moment he's gone, they're not liable to do anything decisive or revolutionary, because most of that spirit has been beaten out of the Russian upper class by Putin himself, to ensure that none of them would challenge him or his actions.

Except this happened only at the very tail end of the war. The Prussian contingent in the German military was very strong and what led to many German successes almost up to 1943. A series of generals in the bunkers were still trying to talk Hitler round but he was too busy larping as if the 9th century was still relevent.

The moment he died, the germans swapped (and frankly had already swapped regardless of whatever bullshit he issued) to holding of the Russians as much as possible to allow most surviving units to surrender to the western allies as most knew if they were captured or surrendered they'd be shipped off to Siberia never to be seen again.
 
When Viktor Suvorov defected that was his claim which I find questionable given the context of the Red Army still reeling from Stalin's purges and having fallen flat on its face in Finland, as well as other questionable claims he made. I don't doubt Stalin was going to conduct a special military operation in Europe since he'd already spent 1939-1940 invading Poland and the Baltics but it was probably at least another year out.
I find Suvorov questionable for plenty of reason, to me mostly because of the Soviet actions in 1938 during Munich. To my view, the Soviets were thinking defensively rather than offensively when stationing their equipment in the west of the nation. They’d initially been trying to make diplomatic inroads with the western democracies but after 1938 (when they were among the few saying “hey hold on are you really going to let the Germans sieze a chunk of czechoslovakia to avoid a war, are you crazy?”) switched their tone. Why? They saw the Germans as the stronger side and assumed the war would drag on for a while, and keep Germany distracted. Molotov-Ribbentrop was a gamble, that the appeasementish division of Poland would buy time for the Soviets to further build up, finish their naval building programs, and keep them from having to potentially fight a war on two fronts with both Japan and Germany. They were wrong, but I think Stalin thought Hitler would be satisfied with the partition of Poland, distracted by the Allies, and only turn east after taking out the British, which could take a few years and by which time the Soviets would have a more defensible border and troops ready to go. Completely wrong, obviously, but I don’t think Stalin planned on attacking Germany immediately and was far more focused on regaining the Russian control of Eastern Europe.
 
Come back when Russia finally decides this is an actual war and tosses more meat into the grinder. We'll see who's coping then.


Again, it seems that copium has been a Russian expertise ever since WW2. They also downplayed the fact that the Soviets started off as a Nazi ally in the war; helping them take Poland in 1939, with Stalin even making an attempt to have the Soviets join the Axis Powers. He only switched sides when Hitler betrayed him in Operation Barbarossa.
Read any RT / Sputnik article and they strangely forget to mention that the invasion of Poland was a German-Soviet joint venture. I wonder why.

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Except this happened only at the very tail end of the war. The Prussian contingent in the German military was very strong and what led to many German successes almost up to 1943. A series of generals in the bunkers were still trying to talk Hitler round but he was too busy larping as if the 9th century was still relevent.

The moment he died, the germans swapped (and frankly had already swapped regardless of whatever bullshit he issued) to holding of the Russians as much as possible to allow most surviving units to surrender to the western allies as most knew if they were captured or surrendered they'd be shipped off to Siberia never to be seen again.

Indeed. But unlike the Prussians, modern Russia doesn't have much in terms of generals with a good grasp of tactics, so the situation in Russia will accelerate to defeat even faster than the Nazis did.

As I said before, Putin went from 1939 Hitler to Downfall Hitler in a matter of weeks. It took years for the real Hitler to go through that transformation, mostly because of said Prussian military command, but for Putin, whose generals' sole leading qualification seems to be sycophanty towards the head of state, it didn't take as long.
 
Guessing the ongoing coup against Putin was fake news then?

Either shit goes down in Russia and Putin is removed or World War Three is on the calendar.

Normies told me in Feb of 2020 that COVID 19 would be a nothing burger, I won't bother asking their opinion this time.

Please tell me Putin has been disposed? Someone?

Anyone?
There was another 'coup any day now' article posted today citing the head Bellingcat guy, but it reads to me like really flimsy guesswork. If you think Grozev has real good connections on the inside, you'll find it interesting. Otherwise it just sounds like propaganda for the daily mail faithful:

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Guessing the ongoing coup against Putin was fake news then?
It's mostly western intelligence fanfiction and unfounded wishing at the moment. But it always is. Until the moment it isn't.

Putin is reportedly completely bypassing the Military leadership and hasstarted issuing unit orders himself ala Hitler. Russia's ultra corrupt Military runs on Patronage from and loyalty to your given General/Godfather. Putin as sidelined a lot of fonts of loyal patronage to and from the Colonels below. This eventually reaches atipping point. But one nobody outside can predict if or when it happens.
You do realize that next guy could be worse?
The next guy is guaranteed to be worse. Puttie has spent 30 years eliminating anybody who could handle the job.

Look at China. It would not matter if Xi were to be eliminated tomorrow. The Central Comittee endures. They choose the next guy like the Vatican chooses Popes.

But Russia is all Puttin. If he falls there is nobody strong enough to hold it together. The risk isn't a more brutal dictator. It's a weak one resulting in a dozen nuclear armed third world shitholes ruled by warlords.
The most I hear are scattered rumors about the possibilities of a coup, now that many Russians have begun to realize that yes, this is a war, and yes, they are losing.


Not likely. Most people in power in Russia don't have the strength of will that Putin has, mostly because anyone with that kind of will has probably been exiled or jailed. They're all butt-kissers now, and most likely, they'll just do enough to make peace with the West once Putin is gone.

It's like back in the Downfall movie, where the German generals are completely restricted by Hitler's commands when he was still in charge, but once he leaves the driver seat and admits defeat, they're completely clueless as to what they should do, outside of surrendering, which they eventually did.
Any change of Putin would need come from either Military or a rare cooperative act between military and FSB. This is not a happy thought for the West as many Generals think Putin should be waging the lorious patriotic war against Nato direcctly.
 
There was another 'coup any day now' article posted today citing the head Bellingcat guy, but it reads to me like really flimsy guesswork. If you think Grozev has real good connections on the inside, you'll find it interesting. Otherwise it just sounds like propaganda for the daily mail faithful:

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They might be operating on yet more outdated thinking. Or as speculated in thread here it's a psyop to sow paranoia among said psychophants to point fingers at eachother to confuse everyone.

Historically the Russian military has intervened when the leader begins to wobble, either to forcibly prop him up or to remove him.
 
Soviet Union had excess of manpower but dire shortage of everything else, from literally raw materials to steel to machinery and tools. Also basic food, blankets, shoes ...
Russians saying "we'll produce it ourselves!" whenever a company left the country or some import got cut off due to sanctions boggles my mind. It's their cope regarding growing economic isolation.
As if command economy of USSR didn't teach them fucking anything.
Somehow they struggle to comprehend the fact that it's literally impossible, and having to solely rely on domestic production would absolutely decrease quality of life that wasn't all that high to begin with.
Otherwise it's depending on China and being their bitch, because they're in position to dictate the terms as there's no other alternatives.
You do realize that next guy could be worse?
I'll take my fucking chances. This motherfucker has ruled for 20 years and it's only been getting worse, getting us to this point.
It's unlikely that whoever comes next would be willing to continue this madness, especially if it's through a coup, since this war would be the catalyst for it.
 
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We're slowly seeing the vague picture issued by various people in the now clearly overstaffed (and too propaganda prone) Russian Desks of many Western Intel agencies.
We're getting a degree of hindsight out of all of this, but the Russian Military and FSB has done a very good job at fooling the west's intelligence agencies in overstating the combat effectiveness and lethality of their military against a modern integrated force using either equivalent or more modern weaponry.
That was common during the Cold War, too. Both sides continually overestimated the capabilities of the Red Army. The USSR didn't want to admit that for a superpower their actual capabilities were limited, and the West didn't want to admit that they had been overhyping the threat. Not to say that the USSR wasn't a major threat, just that it wasn't as big as anyone thought it was. Had things, by some miracle, remained purely conventional, the USSR's assault would have petered out after just a few weeks due to complete logistical breakdown, even if they had pushed the West back to the Rhine.
Soviet Red Army prior to Barbarossa, was bigger and better equipped than Nazi Germany. Also, most warehouses were massed on the border and were overtaken by Nazis or destroyed in the first few weeks, which leads to a lot of speculations as to Stalin's plans and timing of those plans. Also, hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers surrendered in the first months of the invasion, completely overwhelming Germans.
When Viktor Suvorov defected that was his claim which I find questionable given the context of the Red Army still reeling from Stalin's purges and having fallen flat on its face in Finland, as well as other questionable claims he made. I don't doubt Stalin was going to conduct a special military operation in Europe since he'd already spent 1939-1940 invading Poland and the Baltics but it was probably at least another year out.
I've heard Stalin was anticipating a repeat of WW1 in the West, and so the plan was to swoop into Germany after the Wehrmacht got bled white by a year or so of static warfare. However the Blitzkrieg was far more successful than even the Germans had expected, and so the Germans became confident of their ability to do the same to the USSR, especially since the Winter War had proven the Red Army was more than a bit of a joke. IIRC there had been a massive call up of conscripts that would have expired by mid-1941, so he would have had to launch the assault before they began mustering out.
 
The new $40 Billion Aid Bill to Ukraine has passed the Senate today and now has to be signed by President Biden who is expected to sign it today or tomorrow, the Bill includes an additional $20 Billion in Military Aid with the other $20 Billion being for Food/Refugees of the War. The Military Aid portion of the Bill will include $11 Billion which will go directly to providing Ukraine with Advanced-Weapons Systems like Patriot Anti-Missile Systems and Counter-Battery Radar, with the other $9 Billion being used to replenish depleted U.S Military Stocks.
OSINT twitter account claiming US is providing Patriot missile system to Ukraine, but cites no source. Hmmm...

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Washington Post says Ukraine is getting Patriots and 'long range artillery'. Hmmm...

The bill provides a combined $20.1 billion in military aid that is expected to provide for the transfer of advanced weapons systems, such as Patriot antiaircraft missiles and long-range artillery.
 
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OSINT twitter account claiming US is providing Patriot missile system to Ukraine, but cites no source. Hmmm...

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Yeah I'm calling bullshit on sending Patriots directly to Ukraine. At most I could maaybe see them being sent to nearby NATO countries as a backfill if they send their ex-soviet shit to Ukraine, but thaty's about it.
 
Yeah I'm calling bullshit on sending Patriots directly to Ukraine. At most I could maaybe see them being sent to nearby NATO countries as a backfill if they send their ex-soviet shit to Ukraine, but thaty's about it.
Those S-300s aren't going to last forever. Eventually attrition is going to catch up. If you are planning for a long war you might as well start the conversion training now. The Poles have Patriot so it's not like they need to be brought to the US for training like we do with F-16.
 
They might be operating on yet more outdated thinking. Or as speculated in thread here it's a psyop to sow paranoia among said psychophants to point fingers at eachother to confuse everyone.

Historically the Russian military has intervened when the leader begins to wobble, either to forcibly prop him up or to remove him.
Kremlin is a pit of snakes, I have no doubt in my mind that there are people/factions waiting for the opportunity to take over. It's been speculated for a while that there's multiple factions vying for control, even before the war.
People forget that this bunch of fuckers have been busy all these years since the fall of USSR robbing Russia blind and extracting wealth, hoarding assets in foreign countries and stuffing Western banks with stolen money. Considering that this was their sole priority, this war hurt them immensely, as it put them in the crosshairs of ever increasing sanctions and crippled Russian export. These oligarchs control Russia's vast natural resources and industries, and there's no fucking way they're happy with the current state of affairs.
It's generally assumed that they're loyal to Putin only because he's got them by the balls after making an example out of Khodorkovsky, not out of any ideological consensus. He's more of a mafia boss than a president.
There's kompromat on every single one of their asses, but it won't be used as long as they play ball. Otherwise Putin can throw anyone in prison for corruption and strip them of their wealth, and possibly life. And it doesn't matter that they've been doing it with Putin's authorization, because tsar can never wrong, it's the boyars' fault. Populace eats it up like it's blinis on a shovel.

Considering Putin's vast intelligence apparatus, it's also highly likely that most potential threats were already weeded out, leaving only the most loyal/scared in his immediate circle. There's been quite a few suspicious deaths lately, and cleansing of the army/intelligence leadership, so he's very much concerned about the possibility.
 
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