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Basic Blonde Boy said:
Kathleen, you were the problem with Solo. The acting was fine, the issue was that you took creative control away from the original directors and fired them for making a more comedic movie, which is ironic given Kathleen let JJ do the same and wants funny aliens. I honestly don’t believe you when you say the original cut was bad because Ace Ventura, you were likely just pulling shit out of your ass so you can ruin another project. The actual film itself had the makings of a fun romp if you cut out the Disney Wars bullshit like Maul and needing to explain Han’s last name. It seems like Kennedy just trashed the good aspects to turn it into product #4 of Disney Wars.
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"You can't recast an iconic character and succeed at the box office," said a Hollywood veteran who has apparently never heard of Pierce Brosnan's James Bond, Chris Pine's Captain Kirk, Robert Deniro's Don Corleone, or countless other counterexamples.

IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
The ending of Obiwan has apparently leaked.
Basically the Inquisitor saves Luke. Fucking el oh el.

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Because of course we need to somehow retcon a black woman into being Luke's savior.
 
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IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
The ending of Obiwan has apparently leaked.
Basically the Inquisitor saves Luke. Fucking el oh el.

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IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
The ending of Obiwan has apparently leaked.
Basically the Inquisitor saves Luke. Fucking el oh el.

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The leak’s description doesn’t say that she saves Luke, just that she flashes back to her own childhood and realizes that she can’t kill Luke because she hasn’t fallen to the dark side. Then Vader kills her for failing to kill Obi-Wan.

I don’t know how you can save someone when the threat to them is yourself.
 
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In a follow-up article, the site claims that after Obi-Wan Kenobi returns to Tatooine after a duel with Darth Vader off planet he discovers Reva at Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru’s moisture farm.
Another scoop from Making Star Wars details that after leaving Tatooine, Reva returns to an underwater fortress on a planet called Nurr where she reports to Darth Vader that she killed Obi-Wan Kenobi. Vader doesn’t believe her and kills her. Back on Tatooine Luke continues with his life. Leia does the same on Alderaan. As for Obi-Wan Kenobi, he finally makes contact with Qui-Gon Jinn.
He detailed, “Apparently, the series is about Reva. … So apparently when Obi-Wan is off world she tries to figure out why he’s on Tatooine and discovers the truth. She discovers why he’s there. Who he’s watching over. That’s right, Luke Skywalker.”

“She discovers that he’s watching over Luke Skywalker and then goes to Luke’s house and confronts Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru and Luke and gets them all in a corner and gets ready to kill them,” he explains.”
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“As she gets ready to kill them, she has a moment. She has a moment that’s been playing out throughout this whole series, where she’s like, ‘I can’t do this. I just can’t do this.’ She remembers her training, I guess. She remembers that she used to be a Jedi. She remembers all that stuff and she doesn’t kill Luke Skywalker when she had the chance,” he relayed.

Next, he reveals, “She then goes back to see Lord Vader, and Darth Vader’s like, ‘All right. What’s the report.’ And she tells Darth Vader that she has killed Obi-Wan and that it is finally over. Darth Vader gets very angry and says, ‘I couldn’t even do it. If I couldn’t do it, I know you didn’t do it. You’re lying. Off you go.’ And Vader kills Reva. And that’s the end of the series.”
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Providing his analysis, Drunk 3PO says, “So, it’s not Obi-Wan that protected Luke Skywalker, it is the Inquisitor, the star of the show.”

He reiterates, “It’s about Reva. She saves Luke Skywalker from death. She covers up his whereabouts, and she sacrifices herself for the greater good of Star Wars.”
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How many of you in the thread are actually surprised by this? Honestly. I'm not. Do any of these shows being bad, disrespecting established characters, and shitting on the canon even matter anymore? We've been through this multiple times already. It was only matter of time until they got to Obi Wan Kenobi.

And it just doesn't fucking matter. The fans are gonna do what they always do, clap because Ewan and Hayden are in this, clap because of the references, and most importantly, clap just because fucking Darth Vader is on the screen. That's all that matters at this point. Most fans do not care and never have cared about good content. They just want things to clap for.
 
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Sneed F91 said:
And it just doesn't fucking matter. The fans are gonna do what they always do, clap because Ewan and Hayden are in this, clap because of the references, and most importantly, clap just because fucking Darth Vader is on the screen. That's all that matters at this point. Most fans do not care and never have cared about good content. They just want things to clap for.
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Do I even need to say more?!
 
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Sneed F91 said:
How many of you in the thread are actually surprised by this? Honestly. I'm not. Do any of these shows being bad, disrespecting established characters, and shitting on the canon even matter anymore? We've been through this multiple times already. It was only matter of time until they got to Obi Wan Kenobi.

And it just doesn't fucking matter. The fans are gonna do what they always do, clap because Ewan and Hayden are in this, clap because of the references, and most importantly, clap just because fucking Darth Vader is on the screen. That's all that matters at this point. Most fans do not care and never have cared about good content. They just want things to clap for.
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I'm not the least bit shocked. I have to wonder who they'll replace the tardquisitor with for the next season though (since you know they're going to milk this). And you can bet your ass that no matter how bad this is, idiots will lap it up solely for the OT and Filoni Wars nostalgia berries and the pointless prequel throwback on Mustafar... again. That and power level obsessed retards like those on the vs wiki who want to see Darth Vader go full Goku to satisfy their battle fetish.
 
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Polyboros2 said:
The real last time Mark Hamill portrayed Luke Skywalker.

Made it through Vector Prime. This is probably going to be a pretty flat Audio narration from here on out. Like the Jedi Search Trilogy, this was Library of Congress/(Something) for the Blind unabridged recordings, not the retail version. Still I'll gladly take them over the abridged versions.

I actually found some OLD forum posts of mine review the series as I read it. My memory was quite off. I thought I read it around the time it released, but I started in my last year of High School. I thought I liked Vector Prime and hated the next 4 novels, but liked the majority of the rest of the series. Turns out I hated this book and books 4 and 5, the Agents of Chaos duology, but liked Dark Tide duology, books 2 and 3.

I'm mixed on it, I definitely didn't hate it. It goes on too long, it should of ended with the defeat of the Star Destroyer attacking the Vong the first time, it felt like a good conclusion to show what a threat these new invaders were. Them coming back and using the shield ships to heat the planet up until it froze and then exploded really fucking sucked. It felt like it was written before they knew for sure it was going to be a big series, and they wanted it to be self contained incase they had to cancel everything coming after it. I don't think it's a bad entry, Salvatore is an odd author for it. The only other SW book he's done is the Novelization of Attack of the Clones, he's a prolific DnD Forgotten Realms author IIRC. He does have some nice characterization, there is a moment where Han is dealing with his coming to adulthood kids, and his line "Teenagers" is presented in a way that I really could hear an older Han from the movies saying it. It's hard to make a character sound like themselves with a single word and he did it.
  • The writers at Del Rey wanted to kill a character to emphasize this was a different era in the EU from the Bantam's. Their first choice was Luke but Lucas nixed that, as well as said R2-D2 and C-3PO were off limits. Han, Leia, and Lando were all considered before they decided to put the Solo's dog down. It seems to be half the reason I hated the book as a teen. Re-experiencing it, especially after going through the Bantam Era where he's just sort of there(more so than much less significant characters than him from the movies), I'm less bothered by it. They really didn't do anything good with Chewie.
    [*]The invaders from outside the galaxy were originally going to be Sith, Lucas nixed this as he stated the Sith were incapable of forming of functional society(uh oh Old Republic bros...).
    [*]The Vong's use of Biotech was entirely Salvatore's idea. I'm glad for it. It's about the only thing that feels alien to the Vong, a lot of time it's goofy, but I really enjoy the New Republic really struggling to adapt to a enemy that has completely foreign methods of fighting. I actually wish they made more of it, from what I recall they even the scales pretty early on and then it's pretty normal combat. I would of liked to have a back and forth, maybe it's better than I remember, but I feel like by the next two books they are largely equalized.
    [*]I always head Lucas nixed Anakin falling to the Dark side because thought it would get confused with the Prequels, but their original plot was Anakin was going to fall in love with one of the extragalactic Sith women and that was going to be the cause of his fall, and Lucas didn't want two Anakin's going Dark Side due to being a simp.
    [*]Only the faction of Vong from the first world ship were suppose to be masochist and self-mutilator. The idea was there were going to be multiple ideologies amongst the Vong, but future writers misinterpreted this and made the whole race that way.
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If you're interested in more info about how NJO was made, I made a post about it a while back, explaining the creative process as the reasoning for why books like Vector Prime and the early duologies like Dark Tide read the way that they do.
 
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verissimus said:
Wouldn't she retire by then? She's already in her 60s. Besides, as you said, who would want to hire her anyway? Why would she accept any other position (i.e. president of a studio) than what she currently enjoys? There isn't really any higher position out there in the movie business besides being head of the MCU.
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No. The absolute worst thing you can do to an executive is retire them - truly retire them, by removing their pull and influence. This is why you see guys in their 70s still gripping the reigns until they are pretty much pried from their hands.

Executive tiers have a vision, and trip on power. There are levels, and there are aims, but at the end of the day they all get off on power or they never would have made it where they were. Getting up to Executive Level takes a huge ammount of work and putting in your dues. KK was giving Spielberg & Lucas rusty trombones for like 4 decades to get her shot at a big chair. She will not leave unless they force her out, and she's unlikely to be forced because she has the gender card.

You do see some 'early retirees' but what the average person doesn't see is that those retirements aren't really retirements. They are still engaged in backroom powerplays due to decades of owed favors and being trusted for a level head/even hand. Its no longer direct, but some are happy to play kingmaker if they can't be the king. Kennedy has no entrenchment and little pull that would survive her departure of disney and I'm certain she knows that.

Sneed F91 said:
James Earl Jones is his voice, and we all know what he sounds like now
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JEJ was not quite there in RotS. I can still tell its him, but he's lost that easy bass.

Sneed F91 said:
How many of you in the thread are actually surprised by this? Honestly. I'm not. Do any of these shows being bad, disrespecting established characters, and shitting on the canon even matter anymore? We've been through this multiple times already. It was only matter of time until they got to Obi Wan Kenobi.

And it just doesn't fucking matter. The fans are gonna do what they always do, clap because Ewan and Hayden are in this, clap because of the references, and most importantly, clap just because fucking Darth Vader is on the screen. That's all that matters at this point. Most fans do not care and never have cared about good content. They just want things to clap for.
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Don't bother spoilering that shit. This a spoiler warning thread, and besides that its main point of existence is to tell the consooming Abused Wives precisely how Disney will be raping them, and watch them go sign up for it anyway. Nothing Disney puts out will be good, so you really can't spoil it.

Ironically the only things you might want spoilering is the plots for 10+ year old books, since people might actually enjoy those.
 
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Sneed F91 said:
He detailed, “Apparently, the series is about Reva. … So apparently when Obi-Wan is off world she tries to figure out why he’s on Tatooine and discovers the truth. She discovers why he’s there. Who he’s watching over. That’s right, Luke Skywalker.”
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Poochie is the star of the show. When Poochie isn't on screen, everyone should be asking 'Where's Poochie'?
 
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Ghostse said:
Don't bother spoilering that shit. This a spoiler warning thread, and besides that its main point of existence is to tell the consooming Abused Wives precisely how Disney will be raping them, and watch them go sign up for it anyway. Nothing Disney puts out will be good, so you really can't spoil it.
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I check this thread while I'm eating, I don't want to see a bunch of unspoilered gore
 
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TheAmbiguousLurker said:
Doesn't the Clone Wars have Kenobi straight up admit that he'd say 'Fuck the jedi rules' and run off with his bae if she had asked him to? I think Lucas has already accepted that his distaste for 'real' jedi not being celibate isn't shared by everyone else by this point.
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The only wrench in that theory is that Lucas, by his own admission, wasn't really all that involved in the writing for the later seasons of TCW (most of it was Dave Filoni, Henry Gilroy and Katie Lucas), as well as the fact that he was determined to keep Luke Skywalker single and celibate in the treatments for his Sequel Trilogy (which is one of the many reasons he disapproved of Mara Jade, because he believed as Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, Luke shouldn't be married and properly embody the laws of attachment at the core of the Jedi philosophy).

So, no, I don't think he ever really let go of the whole Jedi celibacy thing. Which is weird, considering his treatments have Leia pinching out a Jedi son in the form of Sam Solo (or at least, that was his placeholder name), and then taking the mantle of Grandmaster of the Order from Luke once he died in the final film. So I guess marriage and sexual intimacy are fine when Leia does them...?

Again, this is one of the many things I feel that the Expanded Universe handled better, because it logically built off of Luke's development in ROTJ to soften the rules of the Order, and allow Jedi to marry, including himself. It also wouldn't make Leia look like one glaring inconsistency when she got married/had kids, and then began her Jedi Training.

George Lucas is many things, but he isn't the sole arbiter of good ideas for the SW universe. His depiction of General Greivous compared to the Tartakovsky one proves that alone.
 
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