May 3, 2022 - Chris returned to CVRJ

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Good God how tangled is that family tree?

Considering their parents were double cousins, it's less a tree and more of a wreath.

 

[A-№1]

From the prosecution's perspective, keeping it in the J&DR courts reduces costs while keeping the case in much lesser public view than if it were a felony - which, in turn, keeps media attention down.

It's also simply a hell of a lot less work in the J&DR courts. Both the prosecution and defense seem to have agreed on that.

On the defense's side, their best hope is to drag this out to the one-year mark before sentencing occurs.

Dragging it out keeps Chris safely incarcerated where he can't create any more work or hassle for both the prosecution and defense. I'm sure both the prosecution and defense are perfectly fine with that. So long as Chris is tucked away safely in jail, i doubt either of them spend more than five minutes a week even thinking about him.

they can ask for time served plus a suspended sentence for whatever may be loaded on top of that.

Time served is a given since the maximum sentence for the misdemeanor Chris is charged with is one year. Whatever gets loaded on top of that will be things like mandatory therapy, no-contact with Barb, possibly housing in a managed care facility, and so on. Basically things to try to ensure Chris never becomes a problem for the courts again (it won't work, but the court has to try). I don't see Heilberg disagreeing with any of that.

Heilberg's goal here is not keeping Chris out of jail. By the next court date Chris will have spent just about as much tie in jail as is possible for the charges against him. No, Heilberg's goal is to do the best he can for Chris (which is not the same thing as what Chris wants) to keep Chris from finding himself back in court. Which is also the prosecutor's goal.

his stay at the Laughing Academy resulted in an evaluation

His stay at the hospital was not really for evaluation. It was to train him to say: "not guilty," or: "guilty," and: "yes, your honor" instead of: "mumble mumble ponies mumble CPU mumble sonichu mumble I'm famous on the internet," etc.

not likely to stick the girlduck in any family member again

If he's put back with Barb, there's a 100% chance he will. Chris only learns through constant negative reinforcement, and even then he never thinks he actually did anything wrong. People are just mean to him. A mere year in relative comfort in jail is not enough to dissuade him.

there's a good chance that he could be back out in public before Christmas.

If he's back out in public by September, left to his own devices, there's a good chance he'll be back in jail before Christmas.

If Chris is essentially going for time served in jail, could he still take a plea?

I doubt he's "going for" time served. That just seems to be the consequence for Chris being, well, Chris. I'm not even sure if he's made an official plea at this point beyond: "mumble mumble dimensional merge mumble," etc.

His time at the hospital was likely just to train him to stop babbling about cartoon ponies in court when he should be saying, "Yes, your honor."

I was under the impression he has to do his time.

Not unless he's convicted, and he hasn't yet been convicted (though he will be). He could have plead out on his first appearance and gotten a deal of zero jail time with other conditions. That's what most guilty defendants do. Most defendants who aren't arrogant, self righteous, idiot spergs, that is.

I think Null was just trying to do the right thing throughout

I believe the term you're looking for is "harm reduction".

Null was trying to achieve as much harm reduction (both from weens and Chris) in Chris' life as possible from a remote location and in spite of all the weenery and, well, Chris himself. Sometimes that took negative reinforcement. Sometimes he tried positive reinforcement. Always it needed constant observation and management. Not an easy task, and not one I would have taken on, myself.

Null can't be blamed for the fact that Chris is bound and determined to be a lost cause.

tl;dr: Null's a good kid.

The only enablers in Chris' story is just Chris and his parents

This. Also mostly Barb.

Most of the rest weren't enabling, but instead simply trying to minimize having to deal with Chris. The schools are a good example of this: giving him passing grades he didn't deserve was not, in fact, enabling. There is no way Chris is qualified to graduate high school, but they kept passing him up to make him the next grade's problem: "Just give the fat fuck a diploma and get him the hell out of here."

 

[Manly_Brony]

Good God how tangled is that family tree? They look to be in a worse genetic bottleneck than the fucking Hapsburgs.

The last generations of Hapsburgs, Ferdinand Zvonimir, Eleonore and Gloria are hot tho.

As for the members of the Whittaker clan: they live in a place called Odd in WV and there were fifteen children in total born to a coal miner and his wife. Their neighbors and local cops protect them from nosy people. The three in the middle, Betty, Larry (wearing glasses) and Kenneth (in the back) are the most normal. Betty made a promise to her dying mother to take care of the slow-in-the-mind brothers and sisters. I believe Kenneth to be the head of the family now because he moved back to Odd a while ago. He's the tidiest of the lot, can hold down a job, was married and is still close to his stepdaughter. So he seems cool. The three on the sides (Lorraine and Timmy who isn't a sibling but a nephew on the left and Ray on the right) can't talk. Ray communicates by pointing and barking like a dog. I highly recommend the four videos they made about them.

This woman was one of their sisters by the way, you can read about the family in the description:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/109544548/barbara-ellen-whittaker

 

[AnOminous]

I am assuming that the prosecutor doesn't want to deal with Chris any more than he has to, but wouldn't you? The court is not drawing this out for fun.

I think it's probably best for all involved. It puts Chris behind bars long enough to make an impression, or would if that bonehead were capable of taking a lesson, but in any event, it's a substantial punishment for him. He is too stupid to benefit from it but at least half-bright enough to suffer, the fucking mother-raping prick.

So it gets Chris in jail for a year, with at least minimal efforts to sane him up a bit, and presumably with a plan to keep him away from Barb or at least place him somewhere it would be incredibly inconvenient for him to go on a rape roadtrip to rape Barb some more.

This way the prosecutor doesn't have to look soft on crime or something (while actually being soft on crime), Chris gets some consequences, but doesn't get some life-destroying RSO shit on his record. Obviously a prosecutor would often like to go in hard on a case like this but I'm not really sensing that. They just want to get him down the pike with as little muss and fuss as possible. He can't quite pull a Teflon Tard but he's just (as usual) absurdly lucky in that the context of his tard crime is embarrassing enough everyone just wants to forget about it and never think of this fat retard raping his mom again.

No, Heilberg's goal is to do the best he can for Chris (which is not the same thing as what Chris wants) to keep Chris from finding himself back in court.

At the moment, whether Chris knows it or not, jail is absolutely the best place he could currently be.

 

[A-№1]

I think it's probably best for all involved.

I think the court (prosecution, defense, and judge) would prefer it if he were placed in a managed care facility somewhere far, far out of their jurisdiction, but they're settling for jail for as long as possible.

More and more it seems the court simply doesn't want to deal with him, which is why I believe they set the next appearance so close to time served. There's no point in having him appear sooner. They know he's just going to waste everyone's time in court any time he does, so why bother?

It puts Chris behind bars long enough to make an impression, or would if that bonehead were capable of taking a lesson,

It doesn't appear that jail did the trick, which is probably why they tried chucking him in the hospital. I'm not certain if that worked, either, or if the hospital tossed him back to jail because they are also tired of dealing with him.

Obviously a prosecutor would often like to go in hard on a case like this but I'm not really sensing that. They just want to get him down the pike with as little muss and fuss as possible.

If Chris has one superpower, it's being more trouble than he's worth. People just want to be done and rid of him as quickly and painlessly as possible, the courts included.

I still think that if Chris had plead guilty from the start in exchange for being placed somewhere as far away from Greene county as possible as soon as possible, the prosecution would have been all for it. The court would agree to just about anything to never have to deal with Chris ever again. And never mind being seen as soft on crime; I thing any prosecutor who got rid of Chris permanently would be hailed as a hero by the good people of Greene Country, no matter how it was accomplished.

At the moment, whether Chris knows it or not, jail is absolutely the best place he could currently be.

Chris, of course, will consider unacceptable anything other than being back at 14BLC, surrounded by piles of toys, and firmly ensconced between Barb's legs. And having said that, I needs must bathe in bleach. Icky icky icky.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

If he's back out in public by September, left to his own devices, there's a good chance he'll be back in jail before Christmas.

That's almost a certainty, he seems to have lost the fear he had of Jail (with the exception of the Hospital) and that's just going to make him bolder knowing that the consequence for bad behaviour isn't as bad as he thought so next time he misbehaves he's likely to be more bold or dareing when he does something - I doubt we will see anything of this magnitude again but shoplifting, chimping out at people, property damage etc are things he's going to do again if he's unsupervised and will care less about the consequences.

 

[thegooddoctor]

After all these years I'm still amazed that the severely inbred Whittaker family up in Appalachia (featured on Soft White Underbelly) whose parents were first cousins born to identical twins has it's shit more together financially than Chris ever did. Three of them can't even speak but they have used their donations to improve their lives drastically.

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Imao even Indreds have better mental recesses than Chris. If Chris had been like them or had a genetic deficiency like Down’s syndrome at least those people don’t molest their own mothers imao.

 

[A-№1]

he seems to have lost the fear he had of Jail

Did he ever have a fear of jail?

Jail is for Bad People, and Chris knows he, himself, never does anything wrong. He's only in jail now because Mean People and Jerkops are playing Kick the Autistic. He was healing his mother, remember?

This is what Chris actually believes.

and will care less about the consequences.

The real consequences Chris will face, and the most likely to get him to fix his bullshit, will not be delivered by the courts or police.

 

[Hepativore]

Isn't all this already in the FAQ?




Proof of what? Proof that defendants can change their pleas to guilty? Proof that plea deals happen? I'm not sure what you're asking. Please be more specific.

I am assuming that the prosecutor doesn't want to deal with Chris any more than he has to, but wouldn't you? The court is not drawing this out for fun.



Yes, the prosecutor would have to accept the plea deal (as would the judge), but why would you think they wouldn't? Especially since this is likely the very deal being offered by the prosecutor (and probably Heilberg as well). They probably agreed to something similar months ago between themselves, and are only having trouble getting Chris to accept it.



Doesn't matter. It's a better option for Chris than tossing him out onto the street, but that's all irrelevant. Regardless of who it's good for, the court is required by Virginia law to find a placement for Chris if convicted (or spend at least 30 days trying). Whether it's a good placement for Chris or anyone else doesn't matter in the least. He'll be lucky just to get a bed.

What matters to the court is that it makes Chris someone else's problem, not what's "best" for Chris.

Besides, there is no such thing as "best". Sometimes you have to settle for "not the worst".



Only the prosecutor wobbling the charges back up to a felony would do that, and then everything starts over. They might do that out of spite, but I doubt it. The prosecution has been very determined to keep things in the J&DR courts.

Also, Chris refusing to plea guilty, even when he's already spent all they time they can lay on him incarcerated, does not mean he'll somehow be found not-guilty by default. He's guilty as hell. He will be found guilty. The court won't be able to give him more jail time, but that's not the only thing they can sentence him with.



Only if the court continues to deem him incompetent to stand trial, which is not part of a sentence.



Being institutionalized where, exactly?

Whatever hospital he was sent to was only a temporary facility. Permanent facilities largely went away in the 80s. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is a historical piece. As in the past. Not the present. Taxpayers today don't want to pay for that stuff any more.

Again, I believe this is all in the jail FAQ.

If Chris pled guilty, could the prosecution then add further charges at that point as well? Because of the change in Chris' tone during his last letter, I wonder if there might be further charges pending in the works in addition to incest.

In any case, if Chris did end up back on the streets in a state of homelessness, somebody like Chris would probably end up getting arrested and in jail for something else in short order.

 

[A-№1]

If Chris pled guilty, could the prosecution then add further charges at that point as well?

Not if the plea is accepted (and I don't see why it wouldn't be). And not for the same offense. Double jeopardy.

Also why would the prosecution do that? They don't want to deal with Chris any longer than they have to. This whole case seems to have been one of trying their best to be done with Chris.

Because of the change in Chris' tone during his last letter,

The charges likely haven't / won't change. Chris is just realizing finally what shit he's in.

somebody like Chris would probably end up getting arrested and in jail for something else in short order.

More likely The Community will take care of him in shorter order. I don't know what it's like in Charlottesville, Virginia, but there are towns where someone like Chris does NOT want to be homeless.

 

[ANobody]

Considering their parents were double cousins, it's less a tree and more of a wreath.

Wait as in double first? All four grandparents? Children of two sets of sibilings married each other? I know backwoods hicks are desperate for pussy but how the fuck does that even happen?

The last generations of Hapsburgs, Ferdinand Zvonimir, Eleonore and Gloria are hot tho

Im sorry are we sure we're talking about the same people? Homely bird bitch and rat faced race-guy?

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Wait as in double first? All four grandparents? Children of two sets of sibilings married each other? I know backwoods hicks are desperate for pussy but how the fuck does that even happen?

Yep. As for how? Poverty, ignorance and isolation. If you're poor, uneducated, and only socialize with your family in the nearby area... well you get that after a generation or two.

 

[papaya]

The Whittakers seem to be kind hearted people and they are receptive to getting help from others. Attitude makes a big difference I think

 

[A Grey Cat]

Plenty of time for him to rebuild his stock of batshit dumbfuckery after his recent "cure", before facing the court again.



Or their patience runs out.

Be aware that Chris could have ended this at any time by accepting a plea deal, but I don't think he will ever agree to anything that doesn't get him back at his "temple" with all his toys and his fuckmommy. His stint in the hospital may have been intended to disabuse him of that particular delusion. I doubt it worked.

One way or another, Chris is destined for the streets, and he will l have put himself there through his own stupid choices.

I'm sure that far back as the beginning of this shit show hielburg was begging Chris to just take the guilty plea and confess that he did it and was of sound mind and knew what he was doing to make this as painless as possible. Only for Chris to chimp and sperg on and about how he's innocent because "emmauale told me to do it because I'm the CPU Jesus goddess blue heart! " which in turn promted hielburg to sigh and shrug it off before decided to just drag the case out as long as possible while trying to prove he may not be crazy but he's clearly not a well minded person who'd last a day on prison either even with protective custody.

given Charlottesville's semi-recent history and how the city was presented in the media, keeping its head low is likely to be de facto policy by now. Having a fat autist manbaby troon visibly on trial for literal motherfucking has the potential to bring unwanted attention to the proceedings from several directions, and it's a safe bet that nobody wants that.

Tfw Chris may very well owe the spergs who tore Charlottesville to pieces while he was bronycon 2017 (no joke that con and the riots happened on litteraly the same weekend) a huge thanks for making it so they'd want to keep this as quiet as possible.

 

[Manly_Brony]

Yep. As for how? Poverty, ignorance and isolation. If you're poor, uneducated, and only socialize with your family in the nearby area... well you get that after a generation or two.

Seconded. An old timer interviewed in 1975 (for a documentary titled The Hollow about another inbred clan in upstate New York) put it this way: "And the Lord said you shall multiply but he doesn't say who with."

 

[A-№1]

I'm sure that far back as the beginning of this shit show hielburg was begging Chris to just take the guilty plea and confess that he did it

Absolutely. I even suspect he and the prosecutor (whose name escapes me at the moment) had a deal worked out between them from week one, and only needed Chris to take the deal. But Chris didn't.

which in turn promted hielburg to sigh and shrug it off before decided to just drag the case out as long as possible

Honestly, at this point I don't know what Heilberg hopes to accomplish. At first he asked for a delay to have Chris evaluated, probably for some dim-cap defense, but I suspect Chris continued to mumble and rave in court, forcing the court itself to send him off to hospital for The Cure. When the court set Chris' next appearance to when he's basically time-served, there seems to have been no objection from Heilberg.

About the only thing I think we can say for certain about Heilberg is he had no idea the shit he was stepping into when he agreed to take this case. I only wish I could have seen his face at the third appearance: "It was at this moment David knew… he fucked up."

"And the Lord said you shall multiply but he doesn't say who with."

The bible has more incest in it than an appalachian high school prom, and right from the very beginning. Where, exactly, did the wives of Cain and Abel come from?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Did he ever have a fear of jail?

The time he basically got thrown into a drunk tank for a weekend after the macing incident probably remains the only major event in recent Christory that Chris himself has never spoken of. A blank spot on the record. He definitely feared what was happening at the time and was scared to death even though it's easy enough to assume nothing actually happened besides the phone guy at the jail fielding a bunch of ween calls.

And now I don't think he fears what happens in jail so much as what doesn't happen in Jail. As evidenced from the final pre-mental hospital letter, Chris was desperate to get out of Jail and back to the 'temple'. Being stripped of his freedom and access to pop culture left him super desperate - he had to self-insert into the fucking BIBLE after all - and having those freedoms taken away more than anything is a language Chris can understand.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The time he basically got thrown into a drunk tank for a weekend after the macing incident probably remains the only major event in recent Christory that Chris himself has never spoken of. A blank spot on the record. He definitely feared what was happening at the time and was scared to death even though it's easy enough to assume nothing actually happened besides the phone guy at the jail fielding a bunch of ween calls.

And now I don't think he fears what happens in jail so much as what doesn't happen in Jail. As evidenced from the final pre-mental hospital letter, Chris was desperate to get out of Jail and back to the 'temple'. Being stripped of his freedom and access to pop culture left him super desperate - he had to self-insert into the fucking BIBLE after all - and having those freedoms taken away more than anything is a language Chris can understand.

Agreed he wasn't afraid than cause macing the gamestop employee netted him a weekend to cool his heels before he was back on facebook bitching about being a targeted victim of transphobic anti autistic discrimination?

This time that bird ain't gonna fly, he did something so awful and morally corrupt that they had to keep him long term to decide what to do with him, and since jails don't let the inmates watch cartoons to a pop culture junkie like Chris it's pure torture.

 

[DeeCeeBees]

I know Chris loves to document everything in his life by drawing it or videoing it. One thing I have feared is video footage of him plowing Barb like she was Officer Nasty. It will likely never make its way to the interwebs but if Chris has a jury trial there are at least 12 people who will need counseling for the rest of their lives.

 

[A-№1]

The time he basically got thrown into a drunk tank for a weekend

My point is that the drunk tank made him afraid, but only after he was is it. He likely couldn't properly conceive of such a thing before actually experiencing it.

It wasn't a deterrent.

And now I don't think he fears what happens in jail so much as what doesn't happen in Jail.

Only because he's been in special snowflake protective solitary custody jail. Chris in an admax would be a different story entirely.

Chris was desperate to get out of Jail and back to the 'temple'.

There's an education coming for him in that regard.