Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Fat Tub of Lard]

I can only picture a lot of the Imaginary Friends killing themselves in gruesome ways, just so they don't have to deal with him.

Speaking of which, can Imaginary Friends die, or are they just completely immortal?

Well, there was this bit:

 

[Oats12345]

So I been thinking lately after looking back at some of my favorite cartoons from my childhood. One thing I miss is recurring main villains. Alot of the lore cartoons seem to miss this. As they seem to have this idea that they need to change up the villain each season for whatever reason. I think so they can up the stakes or whatever. But really they pretty much waste villains that why in my opinion.

I mean villains like Father (KND), Dr Drakken and Shego (Kim possible), Plankton (spongebob) and even Dr. Doofensmirtez were all fun villains to watch growing up as you were following them along with the heroes alot and were genuinely funny to watch. Now and days most cartoons either replace their villains for different seasons or have to be mysterious and serious well on screen. I mean American dragon had The Huntsman who was a serious villain but we also got to follow him alot and he wasn't all that mysterious either. Since we knew what his goal was the beginning of the show.

Ben 10 was one of the few that did it well with Vilgax in the first season. But that was interesting and memorable because at the time that was one of the few cartoons that did that.

I mean for instance my sister isn't a big cartoon nerd but she remmbers alot of cartoon villains form our childhood. MOJO Jojo, Katz, Plankton, Dr. Drakken, The Huntsman and even The Father. Mainly because we followed those villains and their schemes throughout their shows run when we were young. Well now and days you get a main villain for a season and than the cartoon reveals a even more bigger bad for the next and it just gets tiring. I wonder if animators will every bring back the villian types I mention above. I mean Ladybug has surprisely been able to keep the same villain for five seasons now. So maybe the French understand this.

Adventure Time had this at first with Ice King than they started to drop him as a villain once he turn out to be generally mentally insane form his crown.

I hope others agree with me on here.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Adventure Time had this at first with Ice King than they started to drop him as a villain once he turn out to be generally mentally insane form his crown.

To be fair, AT mainly had the Lich as its main antagonist after season 2, and the character was decently reoccurring. He really was the pure evil antagonist of the series whereas Ice King was a joke even in season 1. The only thing that would be placed higher than the Lich was Glob, who was more an idea than a character. I don't know if the Lich would count for what you are arguing, but he was probably the closest we got to a Vilgax in modern toons.

 

[Oats12345]

To be fair, AT mainly had the Lich as its main antagonist after season 2, and the character was decently reoccurring. He really was the pure evil antagonist of the series whereas Ice King was a joke even in season 1. The only thing that would be placed higher than the Lich was Glob, who was more an idea than a character. I don't know if the Lich would count for what you are arguing, but he was probably the closest we got to a Vilgax in modern toons.

No you make a fair point. The Lich is similar to Vilgax and the Huntsman in that he was a recurring villain who also was taken seriously. My bad for forgetting how recurring he was.

Also considering he was introduced before the lore shows became big. I would say yes he does count for what I am talking about.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

My bad for forgetting how recurring he was.

He was pretty sporadic. He had his big episode in season 2, came back in season 5's opening as a mega antagonist once again, but was defeated and turned into Sweet Pea, who became a regular side character. After that, they played the will Sweet Pea be evil for the most part, but the Lich still loomed over the series. There was also the episode where his hand tried to fracture the dimensions or something with Ice King Finn. When it comes to reoccurring antagonists, he was a weird one that the series perfected when he was there, but always seemed to not know what t do with to make him really prominent.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Could have been worse... could have wound up with the fan-made finale that got popular on the internet.
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That would explain both why the shows writing seems tailor made for autistics (something I pointed out before) and seems to love having them as characters. I know this is probably looking too deep into a cartoon, but it's just one of those things that you wake up and realize one day years after losing the whole sense of "childhood wonderment."

I especially feel bad for the parents who had to raise cheese and Louise. Having one slow in the mind for a child is bad enough but imagine two including one that's possibly even dumber than the other. I swear every time cheese appears and starts screaming like a tard I just wanted to change the channel. Like what the hell Craig and Lauren? when you make an annoying character its only supposed to annoy the other characters not the audience too.

Don't know what else to say here except the bowling episode subverting the sports movie clichés was a nifty touch...even if it did end up playing them straight anyways.

 

[Anime Goddess]

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[Akumaten]

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This is the same ((guy)) that created Gargoyles....
How the mighty have fallen.

 

[Oats12345]

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That seems pretty harsh dude. Also does he randomly look at tweets that have him tagged? Because this just feels weird for him to respond to a nobody like that.

Also a non-binary lesbian Muslim character sounds like something someone would make up on this site making fun of wokness. So congrats on the guy making a joke character box to reality.

But seriously it does get ignoring watching creators who made stuff for years with out any woke standards now acting like being woke is the most important thing for them.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

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LOL, have fun losing money then, Greg Not-So-Wiseman.

 

[Oats12345]

Also aren't most of the characters people like form Young Justice straight white males?

 

[A Grey Cat]

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heh hehehh..enjoy the tanking ratings asshole. If you forcing pride themes into it cause it's almost June wasn't gonna turn people off the show , being a complete asshole to potential fans/viewers will. Why? Why is it these people never fucking learn? First you force in "lgbtqrstuvwxyz diversity" Then when people complain you tell them "fine we don't need your business you're no fans of ours piss off." What do you expect to happen other than people leaving the show in droves?

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Also aren't most of the characters people like form Young Justice straight white males?

Aqualad was black in YJ and now gay, and people like him, or at least, they did. For being a race swap, at least they did something interesting by having him related to Black Manta. Then there are the female characters with Ms. Martian and Artemis, which were very popular, especially Artemis.

Honestly, the diversity shit is the least of the show's problems. The main issue is the lack of care people have for the cast because the cast is way too big. They keep introducing new characters and expect to juggle a cast of over 20 in 13 episodes, while also doing one-offs such as the Razer story. The show has been falling apart since season 2 because they stopped focusing on a core cast to be some expansive DC Comics slideshow.

 

[Anime Goddess]

heh hehehh..enjoy the tanking ratings asshole. If you forcing pride themes into it cause it's almost June wasn't gonna turn people off the show , being a complete asshole to potential fans/viewers will. Why? Why is it these people never fucking learn? First you force in "lgbtqrstuvwxyz diversity" Then when people complain you tell them "fine we don't need your business you're no fans of ours piss off." What do you expect to happen other than people leaving the show in droves?

The show hasn't been renewd as of today, but he is always begging people on twitter to watch it so it gets renewed.

Personally? I hope it gets canceled for good, for wasting his second chance and everyone's good will just to bring woke twitter politics into the show.

 

[Oats12345]

Aqualad was black in YJ and now gay, and people like him, or at least, they did. For being a race swap, at least they did something interesting by having him related to Black Manta. Then there are the female characters with Ms. Martian and Artemis, which were very popular, especially Artemis.

Honestly, the diversity shit is the least of the show's problems. The main issue is the lack of care people have for the cast because the cast is way too big. They keep introducing new characters and expect to juggle a cast of over 20 in 13 episodes, while also doing one-offs such as the Razer story. The show has been falling apart since season 2 because they stopped focusing on a core cast to be some expansive DC Comics slideshow.

I know that I like Aqualad, Ms. Martian and Artemis as well. I was saying most of the characters not all of them. Since you got Nightwing, Superboy and all the Roys. You also had Wally may he rest in peace who were white. I like all the orginal members.

Also weirdly enough about Aqualad is that he was in love with Aquagirl who died in between the season 1 and 2 timeskip. Remmber that was the motivation he was using when pretending to be a bad guy.

So I found it weird that they made him gay of course I had miss the scene that had showed it and people had to bluntly tell me.

 

[Anime Goddess]

I know that I like Aqualad, Ms. Martian and Artemis as well. I was saying most of the characters not all of them. Since you got Nightwing, Superbly and all the Roys. You also had Wally may he rest in peace who were white. I like all the orginal members.

Also weirdly enough about Aqualad is that he was in love with Aquagirl who died in between the season 1 and 2 timeskip. Remmber that was the motivation he was using when pretending to be a bad guy.

So I found it weird that they made him gay of course I had miss the scene that had showed it and people had to bluntly tell me.

No, youre right. He was straight. And the sudden change makes no sense.

What happened is that someone in the comics copied him and made a smiliar black aqualad called Jackson Hyde. And they made him gay first.

So, as no be out-woked, Wiseman made his aqualad gay too.That's all there is, a virtue signaling competition.

I won't buy even for a second the BS that he was always meant to be gay. Aqualad was simping hard for a girl before.

But like Basic Blond said, wokeness isn't even their biggest issue.

 

[Oats12345]

No, youre right. He was straight. And the sudden change makes no sense.

What happenee is that someone in the comics copied him and made a smiliar black aqualad called Jackson Hyde. And they nade him gay first.

So, as no be out-woked, Wiseman made his aqualad gay too.That's all there is, a virtue signaling competition.

I won't buy even for a second the BS that he was always meant to be gay. Aqualad was simping hard for a girl before.

But like Basic Blond said, this isn't even their biggest issue.

Not only that he also used the death of said girl as a cover when pretending to join his father. And it was believable cover that's why alot of the heroes thought it was real.

But I agree it's not the biggest issue there. There are others

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

So I been thinking lately after looking back at some of my favorite cartoons from my childhood. One thing I miss is recurring main villains. Alot of the lore cartoons seem to miss this. As they seem to have this idea that they need to change up the villain each season for whatever reason. I think so they can up the stakes or whatever. But really they pretty much waste villains that why in my opinion.

I mean villains like Father (KND), Dr Drakken and Shego (Kim possible), Plankton (spongebob) and even Dr. Doofensmirtez were all fun villains to watch growing up as you were following them along with the heroes alot and were genuinely funny to watch. Now and days most cartoons either replace their villains for different seasons or have to be mysterious and serious well on screen. I mean American dragon had The Huntsman who was a serious villain but we also got to follow him alot and he wasn't all that mysterious either. Since we knew what his goal was the beginning of the show.

Ben 10 was one of the few that did it well with Vilgax in the first season. But that was interesting and memorable because at the time that was one of the few cartoons that did that.

I mean for instance my sister isn't a big cartoon nerd but she remmbers alot of cartoon villains form our childhood. MOJO Jojo, Katz, Plankton, Dr. Drakken, The Huntsman and even The Father. Mainly because we followed those villains and their schemes throughout their shows run when we were young. Well now and days you get a main villain for a season and than the cartoon reveals a even more bigger bad for the next and it just gets tiring. I wonder if animators will every bring back the villian types I mention above. I mean Ladybug has surprisely been able to keep the same villain for five seasons now. So maybe the French understand this.

Adventure Time had this at first with Ice King than they started to drop him as a villain once he turn out to be generally mentally insane form his crown.

I hope others agree with me on here.

Well, ATLA IMO was a earlier example, of course, you had Zuko in S1, that secretary of the King and hypnosis shit with in a minor force Azula in S2, and later full force Azula and Ozai in S3.
In the end, was Ozai the big bad in all the plot. TLOK done something more like you said about having one big villain in every season, but that was more for Bryke simply don't idealizing something better. I mean, Kuvira can be if at least she done something in S3 before S4, but nah.

 

[Oats12345]

Well, ATLA IMO was a earlier example, of course, you had Zuko in S1, that secretary of the King and hypnosis shit with in a minor force Azula in S2, and later full force Azula and Ozai in S3.
In the end, was Ozai the big bad in all the plot. TLOK done something more like you said about having one big villain in every season, but that was more for Bryke simply don't idealizing something better. I mean, Kuvira can be if at least she done something in S3 before S4, but nah.

Yeah Avatar is a weird example as Ozai was technically the main villain the whole time and the show didn't hide it either they specifically mention him in lot of the earlier episodes. As he was the emperor of the Fire nation and the reason why Zuko was chasing Aang because he wanted to prove to his father and be un exiled.

You could argue it was similar to Ben 10 as in not that many shows were doing stuff like that. So it was seen as interesting and memorable. Yeah Legends of Korra is a definitely case of the lore shows where the main villain is new each season.

 

[Dave.]

Could have been worse... could have wound up with the fan-made finale that got popular on the internet.
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"And it was all just a dream!"