Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

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  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

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More than 300 corpses were found on the territory of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol.

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Environs of Avdiivka. Oil painting "Rooks have arrived"
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Im amazed no one is wearing gas masks given the stench of death all around that area.

Also do these planes fly in formations of 2 usually or 4?

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I've been apprehensive about giving Ukraine troops certain capabilities as I don't trust the troops to stay within their lateral limits. I'm happy to be proven wrong but they've already had guys cross the Russian border supposedly without official approval.
Not to mention it invites Russian strikes in potentially sensitive areas (Kiev) that could also escalate.

The temptation to strike behind Russian lines or something is understandably high.

The Guardian warned folks over a few days ago that JewTube would be cracking down.

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Finnish mommy is looking great

Where is the cat ears?

Also iirc she is also a lesbian.

RGW90 MATADOR on the cameraman with follow up of multiple АТ-4s.


No clue.
But it is known that there are females volunteering to work as field medics on the LDPR side, so sorta? Probably many other secondary supporting roles too, like cooks or smth.

No Russian female snipers like the WW2 days I guess.

Or the night witches.

Or for the lulz, the women's battalion of death or something iirc that Battlefield 1 was shilling about Russia.

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Johnny, get down! It's gook hohol! They're in the trees!
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The shower from javelin tubes is the last century! it's time to make a beehive out of them!
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Advanced Ukrainian artillery
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How does one tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian women since both look like almost the same?

The consequences of the Russian Army's strike on the National Guard barracks near Dnepropetrovsk
Ukrainian channels report about 30 militants killed.
The authorities announced 10 dead and 35 wounded soldiers.
The rubble continues to be dismantled, corpses continue to be taken out.
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Lyusya Arestovich confirms the entry of the Russian Armed Forces into Severodonetsk.
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For being a "top" gubmint advisor.

This dude dresses up like a techbro slacker living the dream in Silicon Valley.

Come on hohol, at least wear a BDU or some military dress to look the part like the Russian MOD spokeman does or the Pentagon.

Let's say Russia wins. Then what?

Hunter Biden starts laundering money in Moscow while the Western Press will just not cover the Russian declaration of victory.
 
Let's say Russia wins. Then what?

Russia can't win. Even if everything went as they thought it would they would be stuck in an occupation fighting an insurgency. Which is what the West was arming the Ukrainians for. That's why they dumped all those ATGM's and old Stingers into Ukraine because they were expecting the Russians to take Kiev topple the Ukrainian government and set up a Russian puppet government. The Ukrainians would turn to insurgency and guerilla tactics to fight the Russians and would need the ATGM's and stingers to do it. Think the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The Russians would have to stay in Ukraine for a very long time to prop up the Russian puppet government and even then, the Ukrainians would overthrow it once the Russians were gone. There is no way the Russians were just going to roll in there and topple the government and leave. They would have to occupy to support the government they establish. If you know anything about history at all you would know that occupations are expensive, and they mostly fail. Especially when you have an insurgency using guerilla tactics which is always hard to defeat. The Russians could be bogged down in Ukraine for years fighting little rebel groups of Ukrainians all over the place.

The West would still put the sanctions on Russia which means they might not be able to occupy Ukraine for long anyway. Especially not a decade. But things didn't go as the Russians planned and their whole invasion failed. They never captured Kiev, the Ukrainian government was never taken down and they had to retreat from Western Ukraine. When you take the sanctions into account Russia isn't going to be able to afford to fight this war very long. Either way the West will get what it wants. A Russia with an economy in ruins and suffering a huge embarrassing military defeat. Ukraine will be Afghanistan 2.0 but just much sooner this time. It won't take a decade to wear the Russians down. It might not even take a full year.

There is no way they can win. The Russian military is poorly funded, poorly trained and suffering from corruption like everything in Russia. Look at the Ukrainians, they have the same or nearly the same equipment and vehicles as the Russians and they have been much more successful. The Russian stuff might not be on the same level as Western military hardware but it's not bad or terrible. The problem is the Russians. It's the people using it. The Russians don't have the military, the capability or the money to fight these kinds of wars anymore. They aren't a super anymore. They haven't been in 30 years.

 
Russia can't win. Even if everything went as they thought it would they would be stuck in an occupation fighting an insurgency. Which is what the West was arming the Ukrainians for. That's why they dumped all those ATGM's and old Stingers into Ukraine because they were expecting the Russians to take Kiev topple the Ukrainian government and set up a Russian puppet government. The Ukrainians would turn to insurgency and guerilla tactics to fight the Russians and would need the ATGM's and stingers to do it. Think the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The Russians would have to stay in Ukraine for a very long time to prop up the Russian puppet government and even then, the Ukrainians would overthrow it once the Russians were gone. There is no way the Russians were just going to roll in there and topple the government and leave. They would have to occupy to support the government they establish. If you know anything about history at all you would know that occupations are expensive, and they mostly fail. Especially when you have an insurgency using guerilla tactics which is always hard to defeat. The Russians could be bogged down in Ukraine for years fighting little rebel groups of Ukrainians all over the place.

The West would still put the sanctions on Russia which means they might not be able to occupy Ukraine for long anyway. Especially not a decade. But things didn't go as the Russians planned and their whole invasion failed. They never captured Kiev, the Ukrainian government was never taken down and they had to retreat from Western Ukraine. When you take the sanctions into account Russia isn't going to be able to afford to fight this war very long. Either way the West will get what it wants. A Russia with an economy in ruins and suffering a huge embarrassing military defeat. Ukraine will be Afghanistan 2.0 but just much sooner this time. It won't take a decade to wear the Russians down. It might not even take a full year.

There is no way they can win. The Russian military is poorly funded, poorly trained and suffering from corruption like everything in Russia. Look at the Ukrainians, they have the same or nearly the same equipment and vehicles as the Russians and they have been much more successful. The Russian stuff might not be on the same level as Western military hardware but it's not bad or terrible. The problem is the Russians. It's the people using it. The Russians don't have the military, the capability or the money to fight these kinds of wars anymore. They aren't a super anymore. They haven't been in 30 years.



All of this insurgency talk would have some kind of merit if we were talking about western Ukraine but it just so happens that much of eastern Ukraine is Russian-speaking and the Russians have a solid base of pro-Russian sentiment in eastern Ukraine.

Your invincible insurgency has done negligible damage to the Russians so far and most of the damage inflicted to the Russians was done by the actual Ukrainian military.

And acting as if the Ukrainians have the same amount of materiel and equipment as the Russians is laughable (I can't remember how many videos and reports i've been seeing and reading about Ukrainians complaining about low morale, low supplies and low ammo)
 
All of this insurgency talk would have some kind of merit if we were talking about western Ukraine but it just so happens that much of eastern Ukraine is Russian-speaking and the Russians have a solid base of pro-Russian sentiment in eastern Ukraine.

Your invincible insurgency has done negligible damage to the Russians so far and most of the damage inflicted to the Russians was done by the actual Ukrainian military.

And acting as if the Ukrainians have the same amount of materiel and equipment as the Russians is laughable (I can't remember how many videos and reports i've been seeing and reading about Ukrainians complaining about low morale, low supplies and low ammo)

Afghanistan had way less equipment than Ukraine does, they still created an untenable insurgency for the Soviets. Now, granted, they were very motivated snackbars, but the point still stands.

Russia is bleeding people who like having a non-authoritarian society, and most Ukrainian Russians not pining for the Soviet days don't want it either. You don't have to be a troon or faggot, some people just like being able to have nice things and not having to worry about getting in trouble for what they say or do.

SJWs liked to talk about fascism when Trump was in office, and QFags like to talk about how Biden is going to put everyone in camps, but neither happened. Young Russians know they're losing the brief period of openness that they had and the west is getting a lot of skilled people as a result of the brain drain. You don't have to be a faggot to want out of that situation.

A country where state-run television talks enthusiastically about nuking the planet because they'll get to go to heaven is not a great place to live, it's a fucking cult.
 
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This may sound heartless, but women whoring themselves and promising to donate money (let alone just the tax money!) to aid the war effort is more proof to me that the Ukrainian government's cause is not a righteous one. When a nation's women are selling nudes of their bodies or turning tricks to raise money, I know that nation has the spirit of the decay. I am not sure if the Russians are doing the same (and wouldn't be mind fucked if they did) but this perhaps encapsulates why the world we live in deserves the Wrath of God. Hopefully future generations will look back on this era the same way we look at the degeneracy of Rome.

If the Russians don't make some native Call of Duty or Battlefield kind of game about this war and don't the option to wear Zs everywhere.

Then they deserve to be shit on further in the next Call of Duty or Battlefield game that gets developed by pozzed American and Europoor fags.

Call of the Motherland would be interesting. One of the things about the upmost modern warfare style games is that the tactics tend to be updated from the WW2 era standard of warfare so many people have in their imaginations. I think the Ukraine war may show Russians (and the world) that the era of tank warfare may be at its end much like the Cavalry were.
 
If Ukrainians have no serious air defense, why does the Russian air force play such a small role in this conflict? They lost a couple aircraft and helicopters and haven't dared to fly their bombers within range of non-existent Ukrainian air defense since. Meanwhile the Ukrainian Air Force that Russians said they destroyed in the first days of the war has started to fly combat sorties in the last weeks.

The rest of your post was good (well minus the bit about the Ukrainians being right often) but this in particular can be explained by the fact that all of NATO is handing over their military hardware to Ukraine including aircraft. Just because the aircraft was destroyed doesn't mean the pilots were, that they couldn't secretly find sympathetic pilots, or they couldn't train new pilots.
 
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Afghanistan had way less equipment than Ukraine does, they still created an untenable insurgency for the Soviets. Now, granted, they were very motivated snackbars, but the point still stands.

Russia is bleeding people who like having a non-authoritarian society, and most Ukrainian Russians not pining for the Soviet days don't want it either. You don't have to be a troon or faggot, some people just like being able to have nice things and not having to worry about getting in trouble for what they say or do.

SJWs liked to talk about fascism when Trump was in office, and QFags like to talk about how Biden is going to put everyone in camps, but neither happened. Young Russians know they're losing the brief period of openness that they had and the west is getting a lot of skilled people as a result of the brain drain. You don't have to be a faggot to want out of that situation.

A country where state-run television talks enthusiastically about nuking the planet because they'll get to go to heaven is not a great place to live, it's a fucking cult.
Why die for Kiev? Western observers rarely remind themselves that Ukraine is actually poorer than Russia or that it have even worse problems with corruption than Russia does. What is the point of fighting against Russians on already occupied territories, when they give you humanitarian aid, providing you with Russian citizenship and many Ukrainians often have parts of their family in Russia or Donetsk and Lugansk? Maybe some "stay behind" forces would fight simply out of sense of loyalty to Ukrainian state, but what is the point for commoners to revolt? For them nothing have changed (if not outright improved).
Those allusions to Afghanistan are wholly inappropriate. In Afghanistan, you had completely different powers invading for solely geopolitical reasons. They did not spoke their language, they had different customs, they had different looking people and their religious beliefs were different (Atheism vs Islamism in case of USSR). In case of Ukraine, Russia is actually willing to integrate every citizen on occupied territories into Russian Federation either as Region or as a Republic in the Federation and already started to give out Russian passports in Kherson in Zaporozhe. They speak the same language, they have largely the same customs, they look the same and their religion is the same.
Why should common Ukrainian risk his own live for the state, if nothing will be different for him, whether he is under Russia or under Ukraine?
 
Afghanistan had way less equipment than Ukraine does, they still created an untenable insurgency for the Soviets. Now, granted, they were very motivated snackbars, but the point still stands.

Russia is bleeding people who like having a non-authoritarian society, and most Ukrainian Russians not pining for the Soviet days don't want it either. You don't have to be a troon or faggot, some people just like being able to have nice things and not having to worry about getting in trouble for what they say or do.

SJWs liked to talk about fascism when Trump was in office, and QFags like to talk about how Biden is going to put everyone in camps, but neither happened. Young Russians know they're losing the brief period of openness that they had and the west is getting a lot of skilled people as a result of the brain drain. You don't have to be a faggot to want out of that situation.

A country where state-run television talks enthusiastically about nuking the planet because they'll get to go to heaven is not a great place to live, it's a fucking cult.

1. Maybe Afghanistan's geography, ethnic and religious diversity has something to do with the place being a bitch when it comes to ruling it. (dealing with warlords, different religious sects and all of that).

2. Ukraine's "democracy" and "freedom-loving nature" is pure fiction, they recently banned all political parties and Ukraine will be a 1 party state for many years to come.

3. Ukraine will lose many millions of people to the west because Ukraine will be a poor shithole for the rest of our lives and arguably they are in a worse position than Russia when it comes to brain drain.

4. Not worse than having entire monopolies working in unison to bastardize and vandalize your civilization.
 
Russia can't win. Even if everything went as they thought it would they would be stuck in an occupation fighting an insurgency. Which is what the West was arming the Ukrainians for. That's why they dumped all those ATGM's and old Stingers into Ukraine because they were expecting the Russians to take Kiev topple the Ukrainian government and set up a Russian puppet government. The Ukrainians would turn to insurgency and guerilla tactics to fight the Russians and would need the ATGM's and stingers to do it. Think the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The Russians would have to stay in Ukraine for a very long time to prop up the Russian puppet government and even then, the Ukrainians would overthrow it once the Russians were gone. There is no way the Russians were just going to roll in there and topple the government and leave. They would have to occupy to support the government they establish. If you know anything about history at all you would know that occupations are expensive, and they mostly fail. Especially when you have an insurgency using guerilla tactics which is always hard to defeat. The Russians could be bogged down in Ukraine for years fighting little rebel groups of Ukrainians all over the place.

The West would still put the sanctions on Russia which means they might not be able to occupy Ukraine for long anyway. Especially not a decade. But things didn't go as the Russians planned and their whole invasion failed. They never captured Kiev, the Ukrainian government was never taken down and they had to retreat from Western Ukraine. When you take the sanctions into account Russia isn't going to be able to afford to fight this war very long. Either way the West will get what it wants. A Russia with an economy in ruins and suffering a huge embarrassing military defeat. Ukraine will be Afghanistan 2.0 but just much sooner this time. It won't take a decade to wear the Russians down. It might not even take a full year.

There is no way they can win. The Russian military is poorly funded, poorly trained and suffering from corruption like everything in Russia. Look at the Ukrainians, they have the same or nearly the same equipment and vehicles as the Russians and they have been much more successful. The Russian stuff might not be on the same level as Western military hardware but it's not bad or terrible. The problem is the Russians. It's the people using it. The Russians don't have the military, the capability or the money to fight these kinds of wars anymore. They aren't a super anymore. They haven't been in 30 years.

Russia is going to win the insurgency stage, especially if only take the Oblasts that they any control over now, Russia has faced worse insurgences. The main question at this point isn't whether or not Russia will win, but just how much of what Russia leaves with is what they expected going in. Was the assault on Kiev at the start of this war a feint, an attempt to end the war quickly, or an attempt for a quick and decisive regime change? Is Russia going for any more significant territory outside of Donbass or will they attempt to actually take Kharkiv, and maybe Mykolaiv and Odessa? We don't know and might never will know for sure, for instance people still argue if Stalin wanted more of Finland than he actually got, he was on a roll with bisecting Poland and taking over the Baltic states after all.

Time will tell, but the next month will probably show just how truly extensive Russia's war goals actually are.
 
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If you look at the way the European countries around Russia were going militarily, they were shrinking the sizes of their militaries. Germany only has about 200 tanks. The UK has no real military anymore. There are no real threats to Russia's security, so their paranoia just seems unjustified and ridiculous. Of course, that will probably change now thanks the Russian war in Ukraine. That brings up the fact that NATO will most likely get two new members with Sweden and Finland. Finland being the country that proves Russia's excuses for invading Ukraine are total nonsense. There will be a NATO country right on their border anyway. There is nothing they can do about it either. Murmansk is home to one of their naval bases if I remember from my days of reading Tom Clancy and Tom Clancy clone novels and it's only 113 miles from the Finnish border. It's not Moscow but still that's pretty close.
Fear of NATO invasion is an excuse for rubes to justify Russia's posturing and aggressive moves. Nazis are another go to excuse they have been using for a century now. Neonazis in Ukraine were not a problem until Ukraine started veering towards west. Neonazis in the Wagner group and in the Russia's imperial legion are not a problem either.
If Finland joins, Russia will be in a very bad position. Not only is Murmansk close to Finland. So is the only major land route connecting Murmansk to the rest of Russia. Petersburg would be threatened from two sides, and Finland with Estonia could easily cut it off from Baltic sea by blocking the exit of Gulf of Finland.
 
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Let's say Russia wins. Then what?

Everyone in this thread is so optimistic about the future, I am wondering if they have been following domestic politics of all. This belief that Russia will suffer and the West & Ukraine will, in the long-term, be the ultimate victors seems so optimistic that they may as well claim the Ukrainians will annex all of Russia HOI4 style in just a couple years.

Russia will win the war in Ukraine by summer's end or early fall, annexing territory and granting autonomy to a Donetsk and Luhansk who may join Russia anyway. Ukrainians may resist in some of these territories, but Russia will placate them or offer them a chance to move into West Ukraine, causing a crisis there. They will probably colonize Ukraine if the population in those areas are too low.

Next Russia will seek a greater alignment with China, who is watching with great amusement as the West throws military hardware into the meatgrinder while in the midst of an economic recession turning into a depression. This will save Russia economically in the short term until new opportunities arise.

The West will cope seethe and dilate until the Winter of 2022 begins. Europe will suffer from the irresponsible policies of its leaders as energy demands and food prices escalate, people will die. North America will be no stranger to the economic downturn as people can barely afford anything and politicians have wasted billions of dollars in cash and billions more in military equipment into Ukraine. Politicians will demand spending more money, as people suffer. Europe will feel it worse than any, as Germany has bought many "responsible" energy supplies from the world market, leaving their EU pals without proper support.

On top of all these we see a year of bad luck. Food production hasn't been as fruitful as it has in the past, and fertilizer that typically comes from Russia is now blockaded. European governments may end up taking a more neutral or positive view of Russia simply to prevent riots or take care of their population. This will alienate allies like Germany or the U.S., causing as further divide. In America, the Republicans look poised to win the Mid-Term elections under the faltering Biden administration, and this could cause further tensions between the Right-Left as well as within the Democrat party.

This is just how things could be lined up geopolitically towards the end of the year, and things look very bad for the West, and perhaps neutral to the Russians. I think one of the things I hate about the English language culture is that most English speaking countries have this attitude of "Everything will work out fine" due to the success of the UK and the U.S. over the last couple hundred years. People think that once "The West gets out of this slump" it's all Aces for another hundred years. There's no reason another Great Depression isn't going to happen, and once it does happen, there's going to be radical change.

When Gas is 10 dollars a gallon, and McDoubles 6.50, even Joe-beerkeg might yell enough is enough.
 
All of this insurgency talk would have some kind of merit if we were talking about western Ukraine but it just so happens that much of eastern Ukraine is Russian-speaking and the Russians have a solid base of pro-Russian sentiment in eastern Ukraine.

Your invincible insurgency has done negligible damage to the Russians so far and most of the damage inflicted to the Russians was done by the actual Ukrainian military.

And acting as if the Ukrainians have the same amount of materiel and equipment as the Russians is laughable (I can't remember how many videos and reports i've been seeing and reading about Ukrainians complaining about low morale, low supplies and low ammo)
Imagine a secular insurgency. Smh.
 
Russia cannot win. They arent winning since february. On the contrary, Ukraine is winning since February. They are just throwing people into meatgrinder in poorly thought out offensives to bluff russians.

How many times were we told that russia is about to collapse by now?
 
some people just like being able to have nice things
Like affordable gas?
and not having to worry about getting in trouble for what they say
Like "all lives matter" or "men are not women"?

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Russia cannot win. They arent winning since february. On the contrary, Ukraine is winning since February. They are just throwing people into meatgrinder in poorly thought out offensives to bluff russians.

How many times were we told that russia is about to collapse by now?

Russia's collapse has already begun, baby!

 
10 years from now nobody is going to give a fuck about Ukraine or Russia just like nobody gives a shit about Georgia or Chechnya, or Afghanistan or Syria or Kuwait or...
That's the part that really kinda fucks me up about all this. I hate to be a moralfag but it's just really tragic and but not really surprising because it happened before and it will keep happening

And for what purpose really? Other than politicians are sociopathic egomaniacs and diplomacy is more dead than roadkill
 
Russia will win the war in Ukraine by summer's end or early fall, annexing territory and granting autonomy to a Donetsk and Luhansk who may join Russia anyway. Ukrainians may resist in some of these territories, but Russia will placate them or offer them a chance to move into West Ukraine, causing a crisis there. They will probably colonize Ukraine if the population in those areas are too low.

Next Russia will seek a greater alignment with China, who is watching with great amusement as the West throws military hardware into the meatgrinder while in the midst of an economic recession turning into a depression. This will save Russia economically in the short term until new opportunities arise.
You're right about the coping and seething we'll witness when this is done but this part is optimistic on the other end of the spectrum.
I'm not an expert so I'm obviously relying on the Russian liberals, but Donetsk and Luhansk already rely on gibs. It's like carving up puffer fish and gobbling up the viscera.
This alignment with China... I don't see how this is going to end well for Russia. What the hell is going on with the rolling lockdowns over there? Oh, they're "amused" with the West dumping old weapon stockpiles in the middle of a recession? They're locking entire cities at home. That's worse for the economy than giving away the stuff that was going to end up as foreign aid anyway.
 
Afghanistan had way less equipment than Ukraine does, they still created an untenable insurgency for the Soviets. Now, granted, they were very motivated snackbars, but the point still stands.
Comparing eastern Ukraine with Afghanistan does not make sense. 30 years ago, Ukraine and Russia were part of one whole. It's just one generation apart, 70% of the population is not pro-Russian and not pro-Ukrainian. They just don't want to lose a limb or a house during bombing. Whoever gets control of the territory and starts to rebuild the cities will get their loyalty.
Young Russians know they're losing the brief period of openness that they had and the west is getting a lot of skilled people as a result of the brain drain. You don't have to be a faggot to want out of that situation.
Nigga, if someone can tolerate hatred towards himself for being a white heterosexual, then if you add to this hatred for your ethnicity, every day becomes torture.

Besides, most Russians do not go to the "West of Opportunities", they go to Georgia, Abkhazia, Armenia, and Finland, which are closer to them geographically and in their mentality.
 
This alignment with China... I don't see how this is going to end well for Russia. What the hell is going on with the rolling lockdowns over there? Oh, they're "amused" with the West dumping old weapon stockpiles in the middle of a recession? They're locking entire cities at home. That's worse for the economy than giving away the stuff that was going to end up as foreign aid anyway.
Russia potentially having to basically solely lean on China for being a major trading partner within the next couple years is ironic. It's the same trap Europe finds itself in with being lured by the promise of cheap Russian Gas and Oil, and it's not a matter of if China fucks Russia over using this massive amount of leverage they suddenly gained over Russia, it's a matter of when and how within the next decade.
 

Two Piorun MANPADS fired at helicopter. Kill isn't confirmed but the object seems to lose altitude fast after a flash in the distance.
Whoever gets control of the territory and starts to rebuild the cities will get their loyalty.
I don't think loyalty can be bought. It's just rented.
People seething at seeing their homes destroyed are more likely to move West, and people who were already pro-Russia will see the destruction as a necessary evil. The rebuilding isn't going to get loyalty, it's the reward to those who've been loyal all along.
I don't know, people hold petty grudges over such minor things in their personal lives but are just gonna forgive Putin for wrecking their city? I think non-NPCs would cope with the rebuilding efforts by rationalizing them as a drain on the Russian economy and accepting whatever they're given but showing zero gratitude.
 
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