Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[Thiletonomics]

I think it's kind of disturbing that the dashboard is just a steering wheel and a single touchscreen tablet thing in the middle.

Other EVs also have their disturbing sets of quirks. Two big examples include the Volkswagen ID.4 having only two driver-side power window switches, and a capacitive touch point to toggle between controlling the front and rear windows, and the Toyota bZ4X (and presumably also it's cousins in the Subaru Solterra and the Lexus RZ450e) does not even have a glovebox.

 

[Delta Integrale]

I won’t be driving this car in 5 years let alone 10. Who even does that now? It’s getting traded as soon as the next major revision comes out, or I get comfortable enough to splurge in a model S or the truck if it ever comes out.

We keep our gas cars a long time, 200k. Miles, 10 years+ and maintain them exactingly with Oem parts using specialist independent mechanics. But those were all impeccably built made in Japan cars. They don’t make them like that anymore. And everything else new is built just as disposable as Teslas are these days.

Mixed highway and city traffic. Lots of country roads. The highways are rough at times.

Financed just under 50% of it at a low rate (paid sales tax outright ). I came out ahead on my totaled Lexus that I had owned outright. Threw down some cash we had Been setting aside for future vehicle. I also paid about $4k to have my home electrical system upgraded to 200A service and the 220v home charger put in (was a planned home improvement anyways). We can cover the balance of the financed amount. But why would I?. Not rich, but decent incomes, cafeful planning and being in a good spot when the insurance company cashed me out of my totaled paid for lexus, that we the Tesla made a lot of sense. Even more so with the market conditions at the time for other new and used vehicles. Not burning gas is just icing on the cake with current fuel costs. We had hoped that Biden’s Build back Brandon bill would pass and we would qualify for a big tax credit, but Dementia Joe can’t keep the few reasonable democrats in-line, and the bill didn’t pass. That sucked but we were certainly not counting on it.



Is that enough detail.
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What's the longest drive you've done (both by time and by distance) in those 20k miles?

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

What's the longest drive you've done (both by time and by distance) in those 20k miles?

Around 500 miles a few times . Takes about as long as a gas car. Supercharge once or twice

The general rule of thumb is to spend a little bit of time at a supercharger every 2-3 hours. No need to top off. Just go from 25% to 60% and hit the road again. That charge takes about as long as it takes to go take a piss and get some snacks at a highway rest stop. The charge rate slows as you approach 100%..

Normal “long” drives are 230mi days. If I’m driving the car to the office, it’s under 60 round trip. I’ll note that it’s my wife ripping off the long miles for her job. I’m the comuuuuuuter. We switch off cars depending on who is driving further that day, and the shorter trip gets the gas car (which isn’t a penalty, as that one is pretty comfy on its own and paid for in great condition for high miles)

You only charge to 100% when you need it. Daily driving you charge to 80%. It’s better for the battery. Charging at home is better for the battery than supercharging, but there are plenty of high mile or older teslas that almost exclusively supercharge. We just charge at home or office most of the time and only touch the superchargers on long trips.


Range anxiety is a thing. But if you just get in the car and drive it, you’ll be fine. The car knows where superchargers (and non Tesla chargers are) and how many are being used, down for maintenance , etc. and the nav app calculates routes with remaining charges listed for when you return. For example, if we have a long workday drive of 250+ miles, we need to know we will be back home with enough charge to get the kids to sports, to the grocery store, etc, and it tells you that.

Other EVs also have their disturbing sets of quirks. Two big examples include the Volkswagen ID.4 having only two driver-side power window switches, and a capacitive touch point to toggle between controlling the front and rear windows, and the Toyota bZ4X (and presumably also it's cousins in the Subaru Solterra and the Lexus RZ450e) does not even have a glovebox.

Nooooo not my hecking gloveerinos!

With license, proof of insurance, and registrations moving to electronic wallet apps, why bother with glove boxes? I’m one of the weirdos with driving gloves so I use mine. But the model 3 has a lot of room in the center console regardless (it does have a glovebox)

I think that non Tesla EV makers are intentionally trying to be “quirky” to get the same buzz as Tesla. Eventually we will reach an equilibrium. We do want to check out the RZ450e though, but i think it will be too small.

I do want to note that at least the Tesla model 3 has a lot more room inside than it’s size would suggest. The floor is completely flat. The dashboard is uncramped compared to how bulky modern dashboards have gotten, and the dash is pushed far out due to no gas motor up front. The car is the size of a 2022 Honda civic on the outside but has much more usable space inside. In comparison, the Model Y, which is just a tall model 3 with a hatchback, feels enormous inside in comparison due to an even higher roofline and the rear hatch. The model Y is where you go for more size. I prefer the more direct handling of the 3. The seating position and forward visibility is very similar to a Porsche 911 or Acura NSX. That’s great for someone like me. It it would put off the “muh I like to sit up high” bullshit from basic Brandi women.

Someone mentioned the glass roof. It’s nice. Auto glass these days sucks ass. And should be considered a consumable. They don’t make them like they used to. So get proper insurance and you’ll be fine. Again, don’t care how available the roof is in 20 years, let alone 5, but I think there will be aftermarket options by then if the contemporary model 3 is still commonly driven on the road like 20;year old beater Camry, accord, etc are. We have our windows tinted and the Tesla branded mesh roof inserts for summer. Have yet to experience extended heat waves. But the tinting helps a lot. The glass roof makes the car feel very open. We also have the white vegeeen leather and the combo results in a very open, airy, and clean feeling. However, sunglasses are a must, so we keep extras in the car for guests.

I think it's kind of disturbing that the dashboard is just a steering wheel and a single touchscreen tablet thing in the middle.

You get used to it very quickly. The minimalism has a charm of it’s own. However, I think that a HUD would had been nice. There is no need for a tachometer since you pretty much have a shit ton of power from any speed and the motors are direct drive so no “gears”. (Of course the acceleration rate is more dramatic the slower the vehicle is moving when you begin to accelerate)

I use the autopilot feature a lot (not the full self drive) and it’s nice to not be distracted and just monitor other drivers instead of an instrument panel.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Tesla fans always come off as hating cars and driving in general. It's like they want the least information as possible about the car they're "driving", I mean occupying.

Just further dumbing things down for the sake of "convenience". I just hope that when EV drivers eventually jack up the price of electricity that the cost increases are aimed at chargers rather than screwing over people trying to live normally.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Was in Texas recently and stopped at a Bucees and saw that they were starting to install tesla superchargers. I always said that once that store chain started to adopt electric it would be a big deal. I'm just disappointed that they're tesla chargers since I was interested in getting a Chevy Bolt.

Call me a faggot but being able to charge at home is a big plus for me.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

Tesla fans always come off as hating cars and driving in general. It's like they want the least information as possible about the car they're "driving", I mean occupying.

Just further dumbing things down for the sake of "convenience". I just hope that when EV drivers eventually jack up the price of electricity that the cost increases are aimed at chargers rather than screwing over people trying to live normally.

I’m definitely an auto enthusiast. I’m off to vintage races on Monday. I’m actively searching for a “modern classic” gas car like a Mercedes r129 or a Jaguar XJ-R for an open spot in my garage to fulfill a desire to own one of the sexy cars I desired as a youth. Our gas cars have been maintained with OEM or better parts by specialist independent technicians in excess of 200k miles. We are careful, cautious, and informed when we buy automobiles. My past has some crazy JDM engine swaps, hotrodding, and even some kit car work in it. I’m sure there is a debug screen with tons of info, but I have no desire to see it.

EV is not less information. It is different information. What am I missing from an already dumbed down instrument display in a gas car? There are no gears. Revolution per minute doesn’t Matter. Range information is in abundance. The car keeps its speed constant better than any gas car I’ve ever driven (because it has something like 500 ft lbs of torque instantly at your disposal). Also, instrumentation on gas cars has already been dumbed down and turned into LCD displays with no real gauges from other manufacturers. Moving everything to the central display really opens up the cabin. (Note the model S and X retain a traditional dashboard instrument location in addition to an even larger central display)

Some Tesla drivers are obnoxious boors. The worst were the urban techbros that never even owned a gas car before Tesla. And they were the early adopters. Annoying smug cunts. But Tesla has been in mass production past the “neat startup level production” for a decade, and the model 3 has been in production for half of a decade. The car is definitely mainstream now. They will ruin your perception of gas vehicles a bit. We carefully bought in with the thought that if we had made a mistake, it would be relatively small loss to unwind the deal by selling the car and trading for another gas car (Something like a used recent Lexus GS-350 F Sport, VW arteon R, CPO Audi SQ5. New Acura RDX or new accord sport would had been next on the list)
Zero regrets. Not missing a damn thing over those cars.


I have no illusion that these cars are not as green as believed, and honestly I don’t give that much of a shit. I didn’t buy for environmental convictions. However, it is nice to warm the car up or cool it down in my garage before going out. Electricity demand will increase as the world transitions to EV especially at the fleet level. We need a stronger electrical infrastructure at a national level for a variety of reasons. We need a lot of cheap power to stay ahead of china, in terms of industry and lifestyle. I think that solar and wind power is fine at the residential level to offset costs, but the appeal answer is to build numerous next generation nuclear power plants. Even Obama recognized this need for the long term. It seems far fetched now, but once rich liberals get enough brown outs because the poors and deplorable as have access to EV’s, they will start demanding nuclear power again. Please toss a car starter battery in the ocean at least once a year to thank the greenies for being insufferable assholes. But I do have to say, you begin to notice how much exhaust other cars produce when your car doesn’t produce any. Your brain has wired itself to ignore the exhaust of your own car,

 

[FiddleAFox]

Other EVs also have their disturbing sets of quirks. Two big examples include the Volkswagen ID.4 having only two driver-side power window switches, and a capacitive touch point to toggle between controlling the front and rear windows, and the Toyota bZ4X (and presumably also it's cousins in the Subaru Solterra and the Lexus RZ450e) does not even have a glovebox.

All new vehicles suck ass with these types of quirks and shit that's completely unnecessary for most vehicles to have as "features". It's basically just more shit to break down vs vehicles even from the late 2000s and earlier.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

I’ll add that the best part of these cars is how big mad they make some people. Boomers hate them until recently ( because they suddenly see Musk as the big Lib pwner in chief). But they forget that when they are out in their corvettes or classic American 50’s-70’s ego cars. Truck modder guys in their 20’s also hate the things because they all act like they have little dicks and have to speed, blast black diesel smoke, and make noise everywhere and challenge anyone driving a different brand of truck to assert truck brand dominance. The other demographic that gets triggered by teslas are people like Mersh who drive 15 year old BMW s or moddd older turbo VW’s / Audis. If they see you take off hard, they have to drive like maniacs to try to pace you closely and try to prove something. Cope and sneed. I’ll just let autopilot take over or pass you and five other cars the next time traffic slows and permits.

But in city and town traffic, on-ramps etc, you will be faster than pretty much anything that isn’t specifically designed as a performance vehicle,

All new vehicles suck ass with these types of quirks and shit that's completely unnecessary for most vehicles to have as "features". It's basically just more shit to break down vs vehicles even from the late 2000s and earlier.

Agreed.


One of the things that pushed me over the edge to an EV was not wanting to deal with engine shutoff management. Those systems are terrible for the car, and I believe that supposed positive environmental impact is debatable in real world conditions. Very few cars lack this feature these days,

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's basically just more shit to break down vs vehicles even from the late 2000s and earlier.

What about '80s or '90s cars?

(of any kind not just electric)

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

Br

What about '80s or '90s cars?

(of any kind not just electric)

Bruh…those cars are like 30+ years old….

 

[Car Won't Crank]

What about '80s or '90s cars?

(of any kind not just electric)

I have a 90s car. 12 valve V6 iron block, mechanically stupid simple.

 

[FiddleAFox]

Br

Bruh…those cars are like 30+ years old….

So? My truck is from the 80s and it survived a 1200 mile road trip towing on a car dolly a Pontiac Grand Prix, fully loaded up with everything in the bed and the car full of luggage and shit. I wanna see if EVs will ever come close to lasting that long. Granted I got it for $2k, it's only a 4x2, and it did have a new engine and tranny installed before I got it, but everything on it mostly works still, only issue is that it does need to be rewired, which is relatively easy to do on an older 1 ton truck.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

So? My truck is from the 80s and it survived a 1200 mile road trip towing on a car dolly a Pontiac Grand Prix, fully loaded up with everything in the bed and the car full of luggage and shit. I wanna see if EVs will ever come close to lasting that long. Granted I got it for $2k, it's only a 4x2, and it did have a new engine and tranny installed before I got it, but everything on it mostly works still, only issue is that it does need to be rewired, which is relatively easy to do on an older 1 ton truck.

Some people are just spoiled.

 

[FiddleAFox]

One of the things that pushed me over the edge to an EV was not wanting to deal with engine shutoff management. Those systems are terrible for the car, and I believe that supposed positive environmental impact is debatable in real world conditions. Very few cars lack this feature these days,

That's objectively the worst thing possible for an engine, start-stop shit is always bad.

Also, regarding fuel costs, this video is genuinely interesting and appears to show the true potential of a fucking carburetor.

https://youtu.be/FwhMz2kR4pw

Now, if dyno results show that this is a viable way to keep power + get insane fuel economy equivalent to an older hybrid vehicle (nearly 40MPG on a v8 engine), that would just completely nullify all of this niggertech shit on ICEs today, just imagine if this dude was able to get 40mpg on a v8 engine, just think about a v6, i6, i4 or i3 engine (assuming there ever was an i3 engine that was carbureted).
If dyno results show that power is still there with that carbureted engine getting insane mpg, then that dude needs to release any and all specs asap before he gets killed like the guy that invented an ICE that runs on water (not hydrogen, just plain water).

 

[teriyakiburns]

I wanna see if EVs will ever come close to lasting that long.

They won't. While an electric motor will last damn near forever, the battery would be useless well before. With earlier EVs, battery replacement is relatively simple, but costs a fortune (something like 10k for a Tesla battery replacement). Now that the newest EVs are going for integrated cells in the bodywork, replacement will damn near impossible. They're becoming disposable items.

Cars should not be disposable items.

 

[FiddleAFox]

They won't. While an electric motor will last damn near forever, the battery would be useless well before. With earlier EVs, battery replacement is relatively simple, but costs a fortune (something like 10k for a Tesla battery replacement). Now that the newest EVs are going for integrated cells in the bodywork, replacement will damn near impossible. They're becoming disposable items.

Cars should not be disposable items.

Well fuck, I was hoping that it would be almost the equivalent to getting an ICE rebuilt to peak efficiency at the very least, being about $5k or just an engine swap you can DIY for less than $1k or pay someone to do it for about $2k for the engine + labor. So it seems I'll just stick to an ICE for the rest of my life until niggertech stops (which will be never it's looking like).

 

[God's drunkest driver]

That's objectively the worst thing possible for an engine, start-stop shit is always bad.

Also, regarding fuel costs, this video is genuinely interesting and appears to show the true potential of a fucking carburetor.

https://youtu.be/FwhMz2kR4pw

Now, if dyno results show that this is a viable way to keep power + get insane fuel economy equivalent to an older hybrid vehicle (nearly 40MPG on a v8 engine), that would just completely nullify all of this niggertech shit on ICEs today, just imagine if this dude was able to get 40mpg on a v8 engine, just think about a v6, i6, i4 or i3 engine (assuming there ever was an i3 engine that was carbureted).
If dyno results show that power is still there with that carbureted engine getting insane mpg, then that dude needs to release any and all specs asap before he gets killed like the guy that invented an ICE that runs on water (not hydrogen, just plain water).

I love how people are praising this goober like he has done something groundbreaking. The people who told him he couldn't run a car engine on a lawnmower carburetor were literal retards, it isn't even a stretch of imagination to realize that you could run a large engine with a tiny carb at the expense of power output. The only thing of any note he did was the closed loop air bleed controller, which is something smogboxes of the '80s were doing albeit with narrowband O2 sensors which don't allow precise AFR control. Remember those cars with assloads of vacuum lines and solenoids and air pumps? He just made the linux nerd version of that, minus the emissions controls. Another thing the econo versions of cars of the past had, tiny one barrel carburetors! Everybody who is into old cars knows this. The econocars of the pre emissions days ran around with little single barrel carburetors and got great fuel economy for the time, it's just that nobody needed great fuel economy because fuel was so cheap you didn't have to worry about it unless positively destitute. It's not a stretch to conclude that if you choke an engine down to the point where it's only making a few tens of horsepower like his does with this lawnmower carb it will burn very little fuel and that if you run a fuel economy test that is a short highway stretch you will get impressive fuel economy numbers.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Did Tesla ever reduce the prices of their cars? All I keep seeing is Tesla car prices going up, because Elon Musk wanted a larger snobbery fee for their cars.


And that's when some EVs are going down in price, i.e. the 2023 MY Chevrolet Bolt EV and EUV getting $5-6k price cuts. And the Nissan Leaf is getting some visual updates for the 2023 MY model, and the price remains unchanged from the 2022's price cuts.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Did Tesla ever reduce the prices of their cars? All I keep seeing is Tesla car prices going up, because Elon Musk wanted a larger snobbery fee for their cars.


And that's when some EVs are going down in price, i.e. the 2023 MY Chevrolet Bolt EV and EUV getting $5-6k price cuts. And the Nissan Leaf is getting some visual updates for the 2023 MY model, and the price remains unchanged from the 2022's price cuts.

No surprise that the shit box EVs designed for us plebes either stay the same or maybe even come down while the models that everyone uses to preach about how EVs can totally replace ICE vehicles go up and up.

 

[FiddleAFox]

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Yeah, it's Scotty Kilmer, but damn, the fact that EVs are nearly as heavy as my fucking 1 ton pickup truck is a big oof, combine that with the additional wear and tear these vehicles will cause to roads as stated in the vid.