Sony hate thread

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Like what he's talking about may be plausible but will it actually work when done with an unaltered game?

Previous generations can't do raytracing in hardware and running textures that large or models with that many triangles wouldn't result in great performance, so no, of course it has to be altered and built around what the system can do - just like any other game. But portals, portals can be done and have been done. Portal is the game most people are familiar with, it also got a sequel: My Time at Portalandia.

Dynamic split-screen in the Lego games was a good example even if it might not seem like it and unless TT have some exotic solution going all the way back to the old Xbox it involves splitting it into two scenes and everything that entails(I'm thinking mostly geometry related work).
Any old split screen game that allowed the players to split up and be at wildly different looking locales at the same time, on the same screen, is pretty similar to Rift Apart.

 

[MooseGump]

And that STILL hasn't been released due to internal bullshit

I also didn't realize it was gonna be released on PS4 and Steam
PS5sisters how could this happen

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I strongly predict that in 3-4 years if not earlier, Sony will pretty much completely stop doing PS exclusives. It was an absolutely retarded financial strategy starting from 2010s onward because all it did was artificially limit Sony's potential consumer base for their video games to only those that own a PS. And considering that Sony makes far more money off their games than their consoles, well...

Having to act like an SSD is some sort of crucial component is the kind of shit that people who took the time and money to grab a PS5 need to tell themselves to justify owning a console where 95% of games are on the last gen.

Which I guess is better than Series X adopters telling me that their console can levitate a ping pong ball, but still...

Honestly SSDs are cheap as fuck nowadays so all this does is demonstrate even further as to why I shouldn't bother with a PS5 and just build a custom PC.

If this was 2015 when SSDs were still expensive as fuck, having an SSD might actually be a draw.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Honestly SSDs are cheap as fuck nowadays so all this does is demonstrate even further as to why I shouldn't bother with a PS5 and just build a custom PC.

If this was 2015 when SSDs were still expensive as fuck, having an SSD might actually be a draw.

It really depends on what kind of space you want, if you're going for 4tb SSds they are way more expensive than their larger normal hard drive equivalents. I think a normal large HD runs as much as a game still while a large SSD runs as much as a system. There is a pretty big price gap between the two.

Some of the game sizes makes me feel that 1-2 TB cuts it a little close and has it feel like the base PS3 model or the Wii-U in terms of space.

Are these new MTX games coming out on Mobile?

Yes they're coming to both PC and mobile.

Nobody knows what games these are or if they're pre-existing games that Sony has already made for mobile devices that will be rebranded under the playstation banner, but they're planning on this shit being on par with other games like Genshin since those drive a shitload of revenue towards the playstation store. This is a fairly sizable expansion which may signal that sony's existing mobile divisions may be absorbed into PlayStation itself. They've been consolidating everything internally, that's why Funimation was absorbed by Crunchyroll and now no longer exists. The CEO of Sony Group has a long history of cutting corporate redundancies or underperforming sectors.

The whole point is so they essentially own the whole supply chain, they own the game, own the IP, and have no fear of the game not being supported in the future or the developer going bust. There's a lot of people who like MTX heavy shit and if something sticks you wind up getting a big payout over a series of years.

 

[Cubanodun]

Having to act like an SSD is some sort of crucial component is the kind of shit that people who took the time and money to grab a PS5 need to tell themselves to justify owning a console where 95% of games are on the last gen.

One of the things that made me laugh was before the PS5 was released there was a entire developers conference talking about the nvme ssd technology that came with the console that was super fast and revolutionary and when the model appears is just a nvme gen 4 with pseudo DirectStorage, tech that pcoomers already had, meanwhile the glorified tablet that we call a Switch use a microsd and no one complains

Sony is in a sad state like Sega in the 90's trying to use marketing speak to sell their consoles, and getting late to the party, it is so bad that the Xbone is getting a foot in Japan thing that would have been unthinkable years ago

And they ruined Gran turismo, now is personal

 

[ChefKiss]

they're planning on this shit being on par with other games like Genshin since those drive a shitload of revenue towards the playstation store.

because they get the money from the rare success story and dont take losses from the 99.99% of MTX laden shit that bombs planning on being on par with Genhin is hilarious, I'm sure it'll go as well as PS Allstars planning on being on par with smash bros

 

[Marissa Moira]

And yet you've literally spent pages arguing to us why you believe Sony felt the need to release games to cater specifically to PC gamers. And we've already had others post slides from Sony's own investor call explaining that they expect PC and Mobile game sales combined to actually outsell their PS5 game sales, with PC taking the bigger chunk. That completely flies in the face of this statement.


If the PC market was really that segregated, Sony and Microsoft wouldn't bother putting their games on it, just like they don't bother porting games to each other's systems.

They're expecting their PC and Mobile market to grow, but from Microtransactions, their actual game sales are small compared to what goes on with PSN.

PC market is segregated the ports are there to draw people from PC over to console. So they spend their money in Sony's store and not in other storefronts as their primary means.

If you want to go a step further from this PC is most definitely segregated when it comes to retail space. Digital only does have it's downsides so all consoles are in a section but PC's space(if there is any) in a store like target or walmart may be limited to a small shelf or just a row of steam gift cards. Many former Direct to Consumer companies have had to go with traditional retail because the price of online advertising has risen so high that having instore displays have turned out to be better in the long run. The brand or product gets more exposure. This also applies to PC games in a similar way. Consoles dominate traditional retail and this is also why PC isn't as seen as an equal competitor.

Microsoft's case is the fact that they own Windows, you're buying a microsoft product regardless of platform. That's not the instance with Sony. Sony's whole pipeline is to get people over to PSN, it's not to have something like Steam replace their own storefront or be as means of primary reliance on steam for sales.

because they get the money from the rare success story and dont take losses from the 99.99% of MTX laden shit that bombs planning on being on par with Genhin is hilarious, I'm sure it'll go as well as PS Allstars planning on being on par with smash bros

Sony already has done Fate Grand Order themselves and their existing mobile division is expansive. While it was reassigned to be under Aniplex, it doesn't look like that would stop them from further folding their sections in. It's assumed that this may be the case because Playstation is already mirroring their mobile studio set up so a larger merge in the future seems very likely. Their mobile studios also used to be part of Studio Japan but those were never shut down and just reassigned.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

They're expecting their PC and Mobile market to grow, but from Microtransactions, their actual game sales are small compared to what goes on with PSN.

They can't sell microtransactions if they don't sell games first, genius. And the chart I was talking about, was the one about game releases. Sony expects almost half of all of their game releases to be on PC and Mobile, not Playstation, by 2025. Sony are outright saying they will be releasing as many games on PC and Mobile together as they release on their own hardware. See here:

Most 'interesting' pages are these:

PC market is segregated the ports are there to draw people from PC over to console. So they spend their money in Sony's store and not in other storefronts as their primary means.

Sony's own info says you are full of shit. They are specifically focusing on PC and expecting large growth in that sector. It is a primary storefront for them, hence why they are increasing game releases there.

If you want to go a step further from this PC is most definitely segregated when it comes to retail space. Digital only does have it's downsides so all consoles are in a section but PC's space(if there is any) in a store like target or walmart may be limited to a small shelf or just a row of steam gift cards. Many former Direct to Consumer companies have had to go with traditional retail because the price of online advertising has risen so high that having instore displays have turned out to be better in the long run. The brand or product gets more exposure. This also applies to PC games in a similar way. Consoles dominate traditional retail and this is also why PC isn't as seen as an equal competitor.

PC is not that segregated. Fewer and fewer gamers are bothering to go to brick and mortar retail in general. Both Sony and Microsoft have released digital only versions of their consoles, so even they are see the benefit of going digital only, and gamers are increasingly ordering via their storefronts.

Nobody gives a shit about traditional retail, especially not the people buying the games, and lack of PC games in struggling retailers like Gamestop doesn't matter to your average gamer because they know how to order shit online, either physically, via Amazon, or digitally, via a digital storefront.

Physical console game sales continue through inertia and because the stores carry the consoles themselves, but their has clearly been a drive to push towards digital sales even in that segment. Physical died early for PC because digital was superior. Consoles are just behind the curve.

Microsoft's case is the fact that they own Windows, you're buying a microsoft product regardless of platform. That's not the instance with Sony. Sony's whole pipeline is to get people over to PSN, it's not to have something like Steam replace their own storefront or be as means of primary reliance on steam for sales.

Most of Microsoft's PC game sales come via Steam, which they don't own. They tried to force usage via the Windows store, but nobody bothered with that, so they went to where the people were. Microsoft may own Windows, but that doesn't translate to automatic game sales. Sony and Microsoft are on equal ground, roughly, when it comes to game sales on PC because they compete on the same storefront.

 

[Marissa Moira]

They can't sell microtransactions if they don't sell games first, genius. And the chart I was talking about, was the one about game releases. Sony expects almost half of all of their game releases to be on PC and Mobile, not Playstation, by 2025. Sony are outright saying they will be releasing as many games on PC and Mobile together as they release on their own hardware. See here:




Sony's own info says you are full of shit. They are specifically focusing on PC and expecting large growth in that sector. It is a primary storefront for them, hence why they are increasing game releases there.


PC is not that segregated. Fewer and fewer gamers are bothering to go to brick and mortar retail in general. Both Sony and Microsoft have released digital only versions of their consoles, so even they are see the benefit of going digital only, and gamers are increasingly ordering via their storefronts.

Nobody gives a shit about traditional retail, especially not the people buying the games, and lack of PC games in struggling retailers like Gamestop doesn't matter to your average gamer because they know how to order shit online, either physically, via Amazon, or digitally, via a digital storefront.

Physical console game sales continue through inertia and because the stores carry the consoles themselves, but their has clearly been a drive to push towards digital sales even in that segment. Physical died early for PC because digital was superior. Consoles are just behind the curve.


Most of Microsoft's PC game sales come via Steam, which they don't own. They tried to force usage via the Windows store, but nobody bothered with that, so they went to where the people were. Microsoft may own Windows, but that doesn't translate to automatic game sales. Sony and Microsoft are on equal ground, roughly, when it comes to game sales on PC because they compete on the same storefront.

Yes you're literally showing the stuff I was mentioning about the Microtransactions, all that shit is intended for console PC and Mobile and it's separate from Sony's single player games stuff.

The MTX games are their own thing and have their own studios to go along with them. The expected growth are entirely from those currently unknown titles, they're not from Sony's established IPs like God of War or Horizon.

PC and Mobile are the Microtransaction mines, they're not going to be the platforms with getting routine installments of the single player games, those will still be what draws people to consoles.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Yes you're literally showing the stuff I was mentioning about the Microtransactions, all that shit is intended for console PC and Mobile and it's separate from Sony's single player games stuff.

Look at the "Evolving shape..." graph, motherfucker. That says jack and shit about microtransactions. That's about GAME RELEASES. It says it in big bold black letters dumbass.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Look at the "Evolving shape..." graph, motherfucker. That says jack and shit about microtransactions. That's about GAME RELEASES. It says it in big bold black letters dumbass.

Yes Half of their game releases are going to be MTX shit in the future.

These will not affect their current single player releases. They're expanding heavily into paypig territory, that's what the brunt of those PC titles will be.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Yes Half of their game releases are going to be MTX shit in the future.

That is not what that chart says, you lying, ignorant motherfucker, and you fucking know it.

 

[Thiletonomics]

YongYea couldn't resist jumping on the GT7 controversy bandwagon, with the prices on Legendary cars going up. I'm surprised he didn't mention (I think) anything about the FFB on wheels getting significantly nerfed though.

 

[Gravemind]

Edit: FFXIV too I guess, but I don't expect that to actually come out Summer 2023.

Keep in mind, FFXIV is a timed exclusive. It will eventually come to PC.

Man, I didn't realize XIV was an exclusive title. Weird how I've been playing on PC for years now.

 

[Marissa Moira]

That is not what that chart says, you lying, ignorant motherfucker, and you fucking know it.

Sony is starting to dream bigger

It’s still exceedingly difficult to find a PlayStation 5, but Sony’s latest investor briefing released last week makes clear that the company’s console business will soon just be one slice of a much larger pie. We’ve been hearing for months now that Sony is getting more serious about big...

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It's live service games which are going to be the majority of ports. They're expecting the majority of growth to come from there. PC is not really going to be viewed as an equal for their single player games.

Most of the growth, the company predicts, will come from microtransactions, mobile, ports and subscriptions.

Right now, Sony considers MLB The Show 21 its sole live service game. But by 2025, it expects to have 12 different live service games running. The company expects to grow its investment in live service gaming from 12% of all spending in 2019 to 55% by 2025.

“If we are successful in making a portion of the 12 live service games that we have under development at PlayStation Studios, if only a portion of those enjoy critical and commercial success, the impact of that will over time be completely transformation to our business structure,” Ryan said.

They're literally building a factory to make PS5 components and are expecting the console to surpass the PS4. They're not looking to kneecap their own hardware and storefront by providing equal alternatives not made by them.

The first live service games will be out by the end of the fiscal year. And much like how companies like Ubisoft require a log in for stuff on steam it's looking like they're going to still require you to make a PSN account for their live service stuff. I also wouldn't put it past them to eventually consolidate their storefront into it's own program.

 

[Dojima's Dragon]

it is so bad that the Xbone is getting a foot in Japan

FUCKING WHAT LOLLOLOLOL

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Sony is starting to dream bigger

It’s still exceedingly difficult to find a PlayStation 5, but Sony’s latest investor briefing released last week makes clear that the company’s console business will soon just be one slice of a much larger pie. We’ve been hearing for months now that Sony is getting more serious about big...

www.protocol.com

It's live service games which are going to be the majority of ports. They're expecting the majority of growth to come from there. PC is not really going to be viewed as an equal for their single player games.

None of that says what you are claiming. Those quotations never say that the majority of their games, regardless of platform, will be live service games. It never specifically links "ports" (or original PC releases for that matter) to live services, nor does it say that the majority of their ports will be such. One can draw that a majority of their ports will be live services only if one assumes that the majority of their games released on all platforms will be live services, because they make clear they are focusing on live services in and of themselves. But the connections aren't that explicit.

But none of that has anything to deal with the chart I link which talked about GAME RELEASES. It neither mentioned microtransactions nor live services, nor did it even make clear whether the games released on PC or Mobile would be original titles or ports, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT MICROTRANSACTIONS AND LIVE SERVICES ALREADY! READING COMPREHENSION MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU HAVE IT!

They're literally building a factory to make PS5 components

Why wouldn't they? They literally cannot produce enough PS5s to keep them stocked on store shelves now. This probably should have happened a long time ago.

They're not looking to kneecap their own hardware and storefront by providing equal alternatives not made by them.

Except, by their own projections, Mobile and PC releases will make up 50% of their game releases by 2025. You are literally just objectively wrong.

The first live service games will be out by the end of the fiscal year. And much like how companies like Ubisoft require a log in for stuff on steam it's looking like they're going to still require you to make a PSN account for their live service stuff. I also wouldn't put it past them to eventually consolidate their storefront into it's own program.

They are clearly not just porting live service games. They just announced they are porting Spider Man.

edit: @Gravemind I meant FFXVI.

 

[BananaSplit]

FUCKING WHAT LOLLOLOLOL

Getting a foothold may be an exaggeration (especially with the issue of scalping) but a recent weekly Famitsu report from last month has portrayed the Xbox Series S selling thrice the number compared to the PS5

The last time that the Xbox outsold the Playstation was in September 2014 when the Xbox One launched in Japan, and such instances happened less than 10 times ever since Microsoft came into the japanese console market accordingly.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Getting a foothold may be an exaggeration (especially with the issue of scalping) but a recent weekly Famitsu report from last month has portrayed the Xbox Series S selling thrice the number compared to the PS5
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The last time that the Xbox outsold the Playstation was in September 2014 when the Xbox One launched in Japan, and such instances happened less than 10 times ever since Microsoft came into the japanese console market accordingly.

The Xbox Series S is backwards compatible with several Sony consoles so maybe that's why the nips are buying it?

 

[Celebrate Nite]

The Xbox Series S is backwards compatible with several Sony consoles so maybe that's why the nips are buying it?

>When Microsoft does a better job at being Sony than Sony
At this point, Sony should just commit Seppuku