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I haven't watched it yet, but I sounds like ObiWan is exactly what I was afraid of: the titular character getting sidelined by new characters and having an encounter with Vader. On top of having moments that contradict or lessen plot points or scenes in the related movies.

All of this was what I didn't want. Skipping this.

The full Kenobi v Vader fight is up on YouTube and I regret wasting the time I did watching even that.
It was like a lapdance from a 90 year old hooker, you couldn't be more disgusted by their inept execution of something they think will turn you on but is actually horrifying.
 
The full Kenobi v Vader fight is up on YouTube and I regret wasting the time I did watching even that.
It was like a lapdance from a 90 year old hooker, you couldn't be more disgusted by their inept execution of something they think will turn you on but is actually horrifying.
Doesn't it break Filoni-canon too considering Obi-wan seemed pretty handy in his last duel with Maul?
 
Coworker of mine was raving about Kenobi.

What the fresh fuck was this bullshit, ahahaha.

I simply don't understand how time and again huge companies with millions, if not billions of dollars behind them find ways to kill a sure thing.

I mean, I get that blunders happen and no one is perfect, but the framework to basically continue to use Star Wars as a license to print money was there with years and years of source material (that they could pick and choose how to utilize) and a blueprint done up with the MCU stuff.

You also had a direct contrast with the various attempts from DC attempting their cinematic universe and screwing up. This is just so surreal to me. At least with the prequels you can excuse it away with Lucas more or less having complete control and an auteur (lol) vision.

I do not understand. Like, to me the black female lead is the least egregious on the antagonist side of things. She's stupid (because the whole inquisitors thing is ridiculous) and I'm surprised more people aren't up in arms over the Asian dude looking like an extra from a 90s Mortal Kombat movie being some sort of horrible racial stereotype and chewing scenery like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
 
What do you guys think of the expanding fronts mod for Battlegrounds?
I love this game back in the day and I think it's probably the best thing that has been made (and still going) that you can get with modern day Star wars.

Not just it's only made by the fans for fans but it has a fair and balance to all three trilogies plus EU material. All the new civilizations characters and features added to a long dead game just makes it feel refreshing to play every time I get the itching too.

My only fear is that the rat doesn't find out and pulls the plug throwing away all the hard work that has been put into this mod for years as it is something Disney could never ever ever ever create even if they poured all the resources into it.

Bottom line get Galactic Battlegrounds and it's expansion from Steam download the mod and prepare to have your mind blown!!
 
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Edit: You know, looking back at all these negative reviews of the PT, makes you wonder if these people were even paying attention to the grander story being told.
Say whatever you want about Lucas but he was spelling out to us how republics fall and empires rise and its not out from strength but evil disguised as charismatic benevolence. Anyone who were bored by the politics of the PT (outside of children that is) really didnt seem to like SW for the right reasons, all they cared was the pew pew and sabers.

I recall a video that explained the politcs of SW and one of the top comments said

"George Lucas put a mirror in front of American society and we smashed the mirror and walked away without a second thought" and thats really what most kind of did, didnt they?

On the macro scale, the prequels are such cautionary tales about institutions and governments succumbing to their own stagnation and then handing over the freedom their ancestors fought so hard for the illusion of security...starting to sound all a tad frustratingly familiar huh?

I feel like a mixture between the sequel trilogy being shit and what the prequels foretold kind of starting to happen right in front of our eyes (right down to electing an old man that claims he will "fix" everything...tho IRL is worse because there was literally nothing to fix...but I guess it makes sense given that the crisis the republic was going through was mostly fabricated). All of it kind of made us see the PT differently.

Feels different now that its hitting home

Edit 2: I feel like another reason the PT were poorly reviewed (outside of the stuff on the micro scale like acting and dialogue) was because people were expecting something more easy to digest like the OT. Its very fucking clear who the bad guys were in the OT. In the PT...the lines are kind of blurred and the stuff on it starts to resemble our current world than something like the Revolutionary movement or WW2. Perhaps that kind of caught too many people off guard and they felt like this "wasnt SW". Say whatever you want about George (again) but its clear he didnt want the PT to be just a reskin of the OT, so many the lines blurred because heroes and villains felt like a good way of moving on from the OT's style.

Again, the PTs were far more original than we ever gave them credit for...its more than clear now after...those movies, urgh.
The funny thing is that he'll use every opportunity to joke the DCEU because it's low-hanging fruit but fails to see that Disney Star Wars is just as bad.

DCEU is already better than Disney Star Wars for having a fucking plan from the get go.

And I will always prefer over Snyder's flawed stylized tone than the generic shit we get from Disney.
In a way TROS ended up being a highly retarded adaptation of Dark Empire anyway.

A retarded adaptation of a retarded story to begin with.

But hey, I guess I can say that the heroes do come out ontop in Dark Empire still. Cant say that in TROS

- Skywalker bloodline wiped out
- Palpatine bloodline lives on
- The latter steals the name of the former
- Han, Luke and Leia are all dead
- They were failures in life, all three of them.
- Rey possibly has Sheev within her because there was nothing that established that he didnt so eventually we might legit see Dark Rey arise and bring a new age of the Sith while the order is quite literally wiped out. Luke truly was the last jedi.

You legit cant say that this is the conclusion that was decades in the making, and even Disney know they messed up by the sheer lack of Sequel Trilogy material and now going from OT pandering to PT pandering.

And that was probably one of the more infamous series in the EU, introducing the Yuuzhan Vong, dropping a moon on Chewbacca, and generally taking a darker turn than most fans were used to.

NGL, they were something straight out of mass effect...such bizarre enemies that I still wonder if Disney will ever bother reintroducing...I mean, they werent exactly a great idea to begin with but a lot of fans are quite attached to them...

Oh who am I kidding, of course they will screw them up if they appear.
It's my opinion that the streaming service model killed the incentive to actually make a quality show, because now shitty show runners can just parasitically feed off of superior programs and nobody has the ability to tell them that their show is performing terribly because they're averaged in with everyone else's show.

For the record, they could totally count watch time hours and view counts like Youtube if they really wanted, they just don't.
Streaming services were never meant to replace television, only shit like blockbuster or something. The covid pandemic gave it an unnatural and artificial boom when these plataforms just werent ready for this sort of dependency. They just havent figured out how it all should work.

Meanwhile he's just spouting cliche lines like "the years have made you weak" and "you should have killed me when you had the chance" while Jake Kenobi stumbles away like a little bitch

You know, the moment he ran away, this began playing in my head


KENOBI VS VADER

THE REMATCH OF THE CENTURY

WATCH AS KENOBI BRAVELY RUNS FOR HIS LIFE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH AND VADER AWWW...WALKS AND SOMEHOW CATCHES UP LIKE HE IS JASON VOORHEES

STARE AT AWE AS OBI-WAN BARELY PUTS UP A FIGHT AND VADER TOYS WITH HIM LIKE AN EDGY IDIOT INSTEAD OF GOING FOR THE KILL LIKE HE REALISTICALLY WOULD

CONTAIN YOUR EXCITEMENT AS VADER CEASES WHAT COULD BE HIS FINAL CHANCE AT GETTING KENOBI BY JUST STANDING THERE AND WATCHING BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID of some...fire...? Okay, who wrote this shit?

JAKE KENOBI VS DARTH MEH-DER
 
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I just saw Top Gun: Maverick today and it was as great as everyone said it was. Watching it made me realize something:
The sequel trilogy had absolutely no excuse for turning out the way it did.
None.

It showed it's entirely possible to make a sequel to a movie 30 years later and progress the story in a natural way, do right by old characters, introduce new characters who matter and don't exist solely to be fanfic tier OCs who are better than the old cast, and respect the original without just being a straight up lazy rehash. Tom Cruise actually teaches the new characters (like Luke SHOULD HAVE done) how to be better pilots but he needs them as much as they need him. He's not some pathetic old man being shat on by everyone. There's no bullshit ironic subversions anywhere in sight. No shitting on the fans. No China pandering. No tearing down of the patriarchy. No mystery boxes. "b-buh prequels bad that's why the ST had to be like OT" isn't an excuse anymore. Seeing those jets really flying in the air in IMAX demonstrates how lame and uninspired the aerial combat in the sequels really is. Do any of you guys even remember how the SKB battle went? It's all a bunch of CGI bullshit. Hell they even managed to have a conflict between two characters similar to the one Luke and Crylo had in TLJ but actually well done (and not completely nonsensical).

It makes a lot of sense why Disney is pushing this "NO GUYS THE FANS ARE REALLY RACIST" thing right now because without it Top Gun Maverick would completely take attention away from Kenobi. btw this BTFO the Rogue Squadron movie and that movie hasn't even started production yet.

JJ Abrams managed to fuck up two separate franchises, Joseph Kosinski managed to successfully revive separate franchises. It's like poetry.
Having seen the movie myself the other day, I absolutely agree with your statements. Hell, this is the antithesis of not just the What If Trilogy but also modern Hollywood franchise fetishizing.

I’ll be honest, I went in with zero expectations for Maverick. Making a sequel to a film that has managed to stay relevant for almost forty years is a difficult challenge, particularly during a era of political chaos and woke agendas inspired by the Obamas.

But Cruise and the filmmakers managed to succeeded in every manner. I really respect Joseph Kosinski for looking at the What If films and garbage like Fembusters, Woke Fate, and every garbage legacy sequel and go “Fuck No! Not Doing That!”

He actually added more character development for Maverick and the rookies, particular Rooster as he’s Goose’s son. This is a central point in the film as Maverick has to confront his past and earn Rooster’s trust, and Rooster in turn acknowledges that it wasn’t Maverick’s fault he got Goose accidentally killed.

Had it been done by the likes of JJ and RJ, Phoenix (another strong character not pandering to creepy male feminists) would have been the main character and Iceman’s daughter who shoves it to Maverick. Maverick in JJ/RJ’s version would have been a alcoholic cuck who was never that good and she would enlighten him that America was never that great. But thankfully this movie tells that style to fuck off and instead focus on making a good movie while trying to do what made the original good.


My two biggest worries for this film is that it’s probably going to have studios get interested in reviving long dormant franchises. You can tell Disney is looking at this and go “shit, guess we better go the shed and find another to milk out when Star Wars is finished.” With boomers and adults going out in droves to see this, I hope studios will start making adult oriented drama blockbusters but there’s too many manchildren and CONSUME PRODUCT basement dwellers that have a monopoly in the pop culture landscape.
Since we're on the subject of Joseph Kosinski and Star Wars:

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Joseph Kosinski is flying high off the success of “Top Gun: Maverick,” which debuted to a record-breaking $160 million over the Memorial Day weekend frame. The sequel is the first bonafide box office success for the director, who started his feature directorial career with Disney’s “Tron: Legacy.” That sequel earned $400 million worldwide, but that sum wasn’t enough for Disney to allow Kosinski to pursue an intended sequel under the title “Tron: Ascension.”

In a new interview with Vulture, Kosinski confirmed he had storyboarded and written the entire third “Tron” movie when Disney pulled the plug on the project in 2015. As the filmmaker said, “I got so close. I really tried.” Kosinski’s idea for “Tron 3” was to invert the franchise’s core structure. Instead of human characters being sucked into a video game world, the video game world would bleed into the real world and the film would be “about the blending of the two.”

“But it was a different Disney by 2015,” Kosinski said about why the project died. “When I made ‘Tron: Legacy,’ they didn’t own Marvel; they didn’t own ‘Star Wars.’ We were the play for fantasy and science fiction. And once you’ve got those other things under your umbrella, it makes sense that you’re going to put your money into a known property and not the weird art student with black fingernails in the corner — that was ‘Tron.’ And that’s okay.”

Kosinski added, “Had I made ‘Tron: Ascension,’ I wouldn’t have made ‘Only the Brave,’ and I wouldn’t have made the movies I made. But remember, the first ‘Tron’ was not a hit when it came out. It’s a cult classic. And if ‘Tron: Legacy’s’ becoming the same thing, I couldn’t be more thrilled.”

“Tron: Legacy” starred Garrett Hedlund, Olivia Wilde, James Frain, Beau Garrett and Michael Sheen. Original “Tron” stars Jeff Bridges and Bruce Boxleitner also reprised their roles as Kevin Flynn and Alan Bradley, respectively, in the sequel. Daft Punk memorably created the film’s original score.

There was a stretch of time when reports suggested Disney might revive a third “Tron” movie, with “Lion” filmmaker Garth Davis reportedly being eyed to take over the project after Kosinski’s version fell through the cracks. Jared Leto was even circling a role. On the “Morbius” press tour earlier this year, Leto had this to say about a new “Tron” movie: “We are working hard on ‘Tron’ with our incredible partners at Disney. Just an amazing group of creative people. We’re getting closer. We’re getting closer and closer, and who knows? Something may be [coming] sooner than later.”

For now, Disney has not yet publicly announced any plans for “Tron 3.”
 
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Edit: You know, looking back at all these negative reviews of the PT, makes you wonder if these people were even paying attention to the grander story being told.
Say whatever you want about Lucas but he was spelling out to us how republics fall and empires rise and its not out from strength but evil disguised as charismatic benevolence. Anyone who were bored by the politics of the PT (outside of children that is) really didnt seem to like SW for the right reasons, all they cared was the pew pew and sabers.

I recall a video that explained the politcs of SW and one of the top comments said

"George Lucas put a mirror in front of American society and we smashed the mirror and walked away without a second thought" and thats really what most kind of did, didnt they?

On the macro scale, the prequels are such cautionary tales about institutions and governments succumbing to their own stagnation and then handing over the freedom their ancestors fought so hard for the illusion of security...starting to sound all a tad frustratingly familiar huh?

I feel like a mixture between the sequel trilogy being shit and what the prequels foretold kind of starting to happen right in front of our eyes (right down to electing an old man that claims he will "fix" everything...tho IRL is worse because there was literally nothing to fix...but I guess it makes sense given that the crisis the republic was going through was mostly fabricated). All of it kind of made us see the PT differently.

Feels different now that its hitting home

Edit 2: I feel like another reason the PT were poorly reviewed (outside of the stuff on the micro scale like acting and dialogue) was because people were expecting something more easy to digest like the OT. Its very fucking clear who the bad guys were in the OT. In the PT...the lines are kind of blurred and the stuff on it starts to resemble our current world than something like the Revolutionary movement or WW2. Perhaps that kind of caught too many people off guard and they felt like this "wasnt SW". Say whatever you want about George (again) but its clear he didnt want the PT to be just a reskin of the OT, so many the lines blurred because heroes and villains felt like a good way of moving on from the OT's style.

Again, the PTs were far more original than we ever gave them credit for...its more than clear now after...those movies, urgh.

@The handsome tard

Yeah, I do considering RLM both crystallized general hate towards the Prequels and indirectly provided suggestions to JJ and crew that led to the practical effects meme in TFA. The too much CGI claim came from them and we know that's it's false in TPM. Those guys are caught up in how "bad" the CGI is when CGI in the early 2000s was in its infancy and it does require experimentation to perfect new methods of filmmaking. They also ignored how utterly reductive their own criticism of the PT was, which led to no politics at all in the Sequels which led to massive confusion. Call Rian a Roundhead all you want; it's easy to confuse the Resistance with the Rebel Alliance given how TFA depicted them.

I would add that if Palpatine didn't initiate a Night of the Long Lightsabers (too bad he couldn't work that phrase in to explain what the Jedi massacre was about), the Republic was slowly crumbling apart anyways. The Republic's influence in TPM didn't extend to the Trade Federation or the Hutts, so much so that Republic credits were outright useless outside of the Republic with no currency exchange (implying no trade at all). Likewise, "the Courts take longer than the Senate" is an often missed line explaining why Amidala felt that she had to return i.e. the legal means of redress grievances didn't work. Given how the Trade Federation could just launch an invasion with no repercussions and Qui-Gonn's line about why they set course for Tatooine despite not being all that close to Naboo. "It's controlled by the Hutts," the implication is that the Trade Federation was a corporatist state that would have been in conflict with other criminal states. Instead of centuries of low to medium level conflicts, Palpy ripped the bandages off and reformed the Republic by fixing the root causes of the Republic's shittiness. He brought about his own problems, but that's always the trade-off in politics.
 
Yeah, I do considering RLM both crystallized general hate towards the Prequels
Nah man. The prequels were hated even before the whole trilogy was released. I remember the biggest Star Wars fanboy in my circle of friends making excuses for the second movie and expressing hope that the third one would be better. A bit later, he tried to convince us others that the third movie wasn't as bad, but the general idea at that time amongst everyone not a complete SW fanboy was that the prequels sucked. This was half a decade before the Plinkett review.

Some people like to pretend that the PT is decent and that somehow magically RLM brainwashed people into hating it for no good reason, when the PT was beloved and respected when it came out. That's complete nonsense. The PT was always seen as lackluster and poorly made with terrible dialogues and worse acting.
 
@The handsome tard

Yeah, I do considering RLM both crystallized general hate towards the Prequels and indirectly provided suggestions to JJ and crew that led to the practical effects meme in TFA. The too much CGI claim came from them and we know that's it's false in TPM. Those guys are caught up in how "bad" the CGI is when CGI in the early 2000s was in its infancy and it does require experimentation to perfect new methods of filmmaking. They also ignored how utterly reductive their own criticism of the PT was, which led to no politics at all in the Sequels which led to massive confusion. Call Rian a Roundhead all you want; it's easy to confuse the Resistance with the Rebel Alliance given how TFA depicted them.

I would add that if Palpatine didn't initiate a Night of the Long Lightsabers (too bad he couldn't work that phrase in to explain what the Jedi massacre was about), the Republic was slowly crumbling apart anyways. The Republic's influence in TPM didn't extend to the Trade Federation or the Hutts, so much so that Republic credits were outright useless outside of the Republic with no currency exchange (implying no trade at all). Likewise, "the Courts take longer than the Senate" is an often missed line explaining why Amidala felt that she had to return i.e. the legal means of redress grievances didn't work. Given how the Trade Federation could just launch an invasion with no repercussions and Qui-Gonn's line about why they set course for Tatooine despite not being all that close to Naboo. "It's controlled by the Hutts," the implication is that the Trade Federation was a corporatist state that would have been in conflict with other criminal states. Instead of centuries of low to medium level conflicts, Palpy ripped the bandages off and reformed the Republic by fixing the root causes of the Republic's shittiness. He brought about his own problems, but that's always the trade-off in politics.

There were some interesting story elements in the PT, but they were buried under an avalanche of bad writing, bad dialogue, bad scenery, overdone special effects, and unfocused direction. Those latter things make the PT a trilogy of bad movies. Blaming a popular YouTube video for how atrociously bad the writing was in the ST is silly, as though KK's girlboss crap, JJ's mystery boxes, and Rian Johnson's subversion of your expectations would have been something other than a platter of hot shit otherwise.

And yes, there is way too much walking around in front of green screen in TPM, and droid/Gungan battle looked cartoonish and corny at the time; I don't know how TPM's overuse of CG was "disproved."
 
Nah man. The prequels were hated even before the whole trilogy was released. I remember the biggest Star Wars fanboy in my circle of friends making excuses for the second movie and expressing hope that the third one would be better. A bit later, he tried to convince us others that the third movie wasn't as bad, but the general idea at that time amongst everyone not a complete SW fanboy was that the prequels sucked. This was half a decade before the Plinkett review.

Some people like to pretend that the PT is decent and that somehow magically RLM brainwashed people into hating it for no good reason, when the PT was beloved and respected when it came out. That's complete nonsense. The PT was always seen as lackluster and poorly made with terrible dialogues and worse acting.

People have been straight up gaslit by arr slash prequel memes and the existence of Disney's failures into thinking that 1-3 are at all good, and it's just so bizarre to see. They're FUN movies, they're not GOOD movies.
 
People have been straight up gaslit by arr slash prequel memes and the existence of Disney's failures into thinking that 1-3 are at all good, and it's just so bizarre to see. They're FUN movies, they're not GOOD movies.
I'm one of the people who will give praise to the prequels for trying to expand the world of Star Wars and even though the political aspects of those movies were shit, I can at least appreciate the effort to show us how politics in SW actually worked before creamy Sheev took over.

It can't be denied, the prequels have their moments and while the execution wasn't great, it still managed to create a foundation for a lot of beloved media that came afterwards. Something the sequels simply can't claim (literally everything since the failure of Ruin Johnson's miserable dreck has been set in a time before the sequels... that's how fucking bad those turned out!).
 
I'm one of the people who will give praise to the prequels for trying to expand the world of Star Wars and even though the political aspects of those movies were shit, I can at least appreciate the effort to show us how politics in SW actually worked before creamy Sheev took over.

It can't be denied, the prequels have their moments and while the execution wasn't great, it still managed to create a foundation for a lot of beloved media that came afterwards. Something the sequels simply can't claim (literally everything since the failure of Ruin Johnson's miserable dreck has been set in a time before the sequels... that's how fucking bad those turned out!).

Oh yeah, I appreciate them as Star Wars movies, as sources for better content, but they're still shit movies. You can see where they could have been good, and I'm sure we all have our puzzle piece headcanons for how it should have been, but the fact remains that George shit the bed. No amount of politisperging or comparisons to Disneywars will change that fact.
 
Oh yeah, I appreciate them as Star Wars movies, as sources for better content, but they're still shit movies. You can see where they could have been good, and I'm sure we all have our puzzle piece headcanons for how it should have been, but the fact remains that George shit the bed. No amount of politisperging or comparisons to Disneywars will change that fact.
I think the prequels can be described as somewhat mediocre movies with glimpses of greatness, that can be enjoyed as "so bad it's good" movies. There's just enough cheesy moments and genuinely decent action to be entertained. If anything, the prequels are frustrating cause they weren't off the mark by much. Add a little here, cut back on the childish nonsense here and you might get really great movies.
Meanwhile, the sequels are just insultingly terrible and while the action is good, everything else is just so terrible, even the action scens can't make up for that. There is nothing salvageable here. Nothing worth keeping about them. You'd have to delcare them non-canon and start from scratch, cause they are off the mark every single time.

It's interesting to look at the effect of action scenes in both trilogies:

The prequels had boring talky scenes and then there'd be an awesome spacebattle of lightsabre fight. The action in this case is satisfying and fun.
The sequels have repulsive writing that more often than not shills their Mary Sue character, which then proceeds to kick everyone's ass in an action scene. The action in this case is part of the problem.
 
I think they recognized that there’s no point in censoring your films for China if you’re going to just squeeze at most a few million from there except if you’re making the most pro-Chinese military, anti-foreigner, CGI-infected schlock out there like Transformers.
its actually the opposite, once covid hit china decided to stop importing films, if you remember all those articles about banning vidya and softbois and other stuff making kids soft. a part of that was forcing the embrace of chinese films. its only once that happened that these companies took a stand, if Top Gun 2 came out in 2019 they would have removed it but even the NBA was bowing down to china.people much more "woke" on the issues admit that they pandered to china back in those days.

you can pretty much count on one hand the amount of films they have allowed from the west the past 3 years, for fucks sake they don't even let in every marvel film now, and the MCU was their bread and butter up until endgame. of the 4 films released in phase 4 only one has been given the ok, and in general they are rejecting way more blockbusters. which might sound like a good thing, the problem is the budget calculus for movies heavily depended on factoring in those international grosses, thats why we're about to see a massive reduction in budgets. no more $200 million for any major blockbuster anymore, we're looking at $100 million if we're lucky. which when you factor in inflation is really more like $50 million.

beyond that is the question of why make blockbusters when its a better ROI to shove that shit on streaming. especially when the contracts mean it ends up in streaming after 6 weeks anyways. flops can't be saved by international idiots like what happened with warcraft and pacific rim, even screenwriters have said back in the 2010s the studios didn't care as much because international audiences wouldn't be getting accurate translations anyways.

no more billion dollar movies anymore, in the late 2010s, we averaged 5 films grossing over a billion, which mean budgets reflected that, now one or two end up over one billion. by this point in 2019 we had 3 grossing that much.

overall this might end up being the death of theaters, the reason people went is the spectacle, but if the budgets are slashed enough then the spectacle is gone, which means less reason to go, it used to be we'd have 3 films releasing wide almost every week of the "summer season" you'd have the blockbuster but the mid-budget counter-programming as well. now we're lucky for just one wide release picture every week.

Mind you 2021 and 2022 should be the biggest years for movies, the amount of films that were blueballed by covid plus the ones that were made during the height of the pandemic mean we should be bursting with high budget films all over. instead its a lot of crap that flops on arrival, the handful that didn't were very low budget films that barely used CGI, a special effects team of 5 people or less. sure people saw them in theaters, but a 2hr $20 million dollar film might be better suited as a limited series on streaming, $10 million/episode is a rough norm now anyways.
 
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