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Honest question - exactly how widespread is this alleged problem in reality? I've seen other A&N regulars reacting to/participating in/lurking in lolcow threads, and vice-versa.
It's literally HHH entering a featured thread, derailing it for 5 pages, then screaming A&H is evil to Null. That's the whole problem.
 
I'm guilty of that. There are a few other places on the site I check out and respond in occasionally, but largely, I've contained myself, not wanting to be a pain in the ass to the autistic cowhunters. But that's a good point.

Anybody have a cow recommendation (not a troon. I cannot abide troons. Preferably a poli, celeb, or a feminist) I can put in minimal effort hatebonering for?
MovieBob was the first cow on here that I focused on, and began to a-log (although others will argue that MovieBob is so vile that he's impossible to a-log). Thing is though Bob doesn't do much except repeat the same shit on Twitter, and can get boring as well as infuriating.

Ethan Oliver Ralph's subforum, however, is a source of endless entertainment.
 
There were a lot more school shootings in the past than people realize. The biggest difference now is the media is all-in on taking away our right to self-defense so that it becomes safe for antifa and BLM to attack innocent people.

Quick point to make: the article uses the "anyone shot at an educational facility is a school shooting" definition rather than using the Active Shooter definition most people think of when talking about "school shootings." Virtually every 19th century incident listed was composed of one person being shot at schoolhouses or universities (a lot of which were self-defense cases, mind you), and some are just incidences where people fired off guns in school buildings with no injuries or Negligent Discharges. The first examples I see of a mass-casualty incident was in the 1890s, and those were some guy shooting a double-barrel into a crowd and an incident of a school exhibition devolving into a riot.

The same holds true for most of the 20th Century, and the first campus massacre was the UT Tower Shooting in 1966, where a marine sharpshooter studying there shot at random passerby from a rooftop. If you're familiar with the incident, you'd also know that Charles Whitman was probably being driven mad by a brain tumor amplifying prior aggressive tendencies, so there could be questions of whether or not he should have been institutionalized beforehand as he exhibited increasingly dangerous tendencies. From there it's mostly the same old "someone shot and killed at a school" schtick as before, with a few murders by leftists during the Days of Rage and one or two protest shooting incidents (there was also the 1974 Olean HS Shooting, where a student on the rifle team engaged in a sniper attack from the third floor of the school building, killing 3+pregnant victim's child and wounding 11, but that was over Christmas Break and the only person killed inside the school was a faculty member). This theme continues down the line, and has exactly the same feeling as the "more school shootings than days so far this year" stat trotted around where they conflate NDs and any violence happening on school grounds as being the same as Columbine

In total: the major mass shootings of the 20th century are as follows:

  1. UT Tower (1966): I already talked about this one, Charles Whitman goes nuts due to a brain tumor and stages a sniper attack on a university campus from an observation tower. This one can likely be chalked up to lax security failing to stop Whitman while he was carrying up a small armory of gear to the tower. 17/31 K/I ratio, Whitman dies in a shootout with police
  2. California State University, Fullerton (1976): schizo janitor shoots up library staff with semi-auto .22, supposedly on a sort of anti-porn crusade, before turning himself in. 7/2 K/I ratio
  3. Cleveland Elementary, San Diego (1979): Brenda Spencer didn't like Mondays and decided to shoot up a school with a 10/22. Spencer was a brain-damaged basket case with a shitty dad, and she may have done it to make her name famous; the first real school shooting as we know it. 2/9 K/I ratio
  4. 49th Street Elementary, LA (1984): Tyrone Mitchell was a drug-abusing People's Temple cultist who apparently went mad after his family died in the Jonestown Massacre. After years of being a menace, he decided to spray at kids leaving school from the 2nd story of his house across the street before blowing his own brains out when the SWAT team started coming for him. This one is interesting as Mitchell did in fact use an AR alongside a shotgun. 2/11 K/I ratio
  5. Oakland Elementary, Greenwood, South Carolina (1988): James William Wilson, a depressed and bullied 19-year old fat guy, takes his grandma's .22 revolver and opens fire in a school, starting with the cafeteria, reloading in a bathroom, and finally ending in a classroom. This is an almost archetypical active shooter incident, and it was with a pea-shooter. 2/9 K/I Ratio, Wilson is supposed to ride the lightning eventually.
  6. Stockton Schoolyard, California (1989): Drug-addicted and alcoholic career criminal Patrick Purdy blows up his station wagon in a school parking lot and then uses a Chinese AK to shoot up a SE-Asian majority school before blowing his brains out with a Taurus pistol. May have been motivated by a hatred for Asian immigrants, and this is one of the big incidents that began the push to ban civilian ownership of semi-auto military-style rifles and certainly led to a ban on a lot of gun imports from China. 5/32 K/I ratio,
  7. University of Iowa (1991): Chinese Grad Student Gang Lu is embittered about not getting a prestigious prize for his dissertation and stages shooting attacks against multiple faculty members over his grievances. He used a .38 revolver in what was supposed to be a series of assassinations, and emptied his "brilliant mind" all over a room after getting the targets he could hit that day. 5/1 K/I Ratio (fear the wrath of the bugman)
  8. Lindhurst High School, Olivehurst, California (1992): 20-year old dropout Eric Houston, armed with a pump-action shotgun and sawed-down .22 rifle, shoots students and teachers, takes hostages before surrendering following an 8-hour standoff. Archetypical school shooter: targeted a teacher for failing him and decided to go wild while he did it. 4/10 K/I ratio, Houston's on death row for what will likely be forever
  9. Thurston High, Springfield, Oregon (1998): freshman facing expulsion murders his parents and then shoots up his school with a Glock, Sawed-off 10/22, and Ruger MK2. Tried attacking police with a knife before being arrested and repeatedly called for people to kill him. 4/25 K/I ratio, parents included
  10. Columbine (1999): You know this one, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold decide to kill their classmates and attempt to blow up the school before blowing their brains out after a gunfight with police. Hi Point Carbine and Tec-9 backed up with shotguns. They were both mentally ill and obtained their guns through a straw purchaser. 13/24 K/I Ratio, 3 injuries were not from gunfire
So, that's 10 shootings over about half a century, and most of them were using pea-shooters. Not exactly the "assault weapon" epidemic the media tries to paint these things as.
It's literally HHH entering a featured thread, derailing it for 5 pages, then screaming A&H is evil to Null. That's the whole problem.
I really do feel that all this talk about how awful the Thunderdome is falls flat when one considers the fact that HHH and his cabal feel the need to flood the main forums with leftist threads based more on their own a-logging rather than merit (BDS, TES, "Covid Conspiracy Theorists," a thread for Trump himself). Call me ungrateful, but I do worry that Josh's sperging about Section 230 and newcomers is blinding him to the fact that he's being played to turn KF into yet another Resetera-style hugbox.
 
It's literally HHH entering a featured thread, derailing it for 5 pages, then screaming A&H is evil to Null. That's the whole problem.
That's what it seems like, I took today to go around some different parts of the forums and I saw a lot of A&N regulars posting and participating in threads. I was reading the thread Null created about A&N and a lot of the posts were more autistic than anything I have seen here. From giving posters here an X on their profiles, to outright banning us for the audacity of participating in a section of the forums. You had a lot of people saying make HHH a mod because it somehow makes us sperg, when in reality HHH is the sperg that comes in once in a blue moon, derails a thread for several pages and then leaves to cry to Null or other mods. I just don't get why get so ass blasted people are using a section of a forum that you created.
 
Call me ungrateful, but I do worry that Josh's sperging about Section 230 and newcomers is blinding him to the fact that he's being played to turn KF into yet another Resetera-style hugbox.
When the forum splits, make sure to send me an invite. You can learn a lot of interesting stuff in AT and what the fuck am I going to learn in a lolcow forum?
  1. Cleveland Elementary, San Diego (1979): Brenda Spencer didn't like Mondays and decided to shoot up a school with a 10/22. Spencer was a brain-damaged basket case with a shitty dad, and she may have done it to make her name famous; the first real school shooting as we know it. 2/9 K/I ratio
What, you can't link the song? Best song about a school shooter ever.
 
Bye-bye Bushes (or as Nancy Reagan called them, ‘the Shrubs’). The Cheneys will be the next American political dynasty to fall. I welcome the day when no one with the surname ‘Bush’ or ‘Cheney’ holds any political office in this country, from President all the way down to local comptroller. It may be fleeting time to relish, since one of their descendants could always throw their hat in the ring somewhere.
As long as they get there through their own merits, I don’t mind. They don’t.
I saw this image and it got me thinking. It's supposed to be a criticism of post-Soviet countries that kept old bums in power, and specifically I saw it with some text alongside it discussing how a generation of people hoarding power for themselves weakens the political system of a nation and leaves it vulnerable after they die. I wonder, how does the US compare to some of these shitholes?
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We make Russian oligarchs look youthful in comparison. Something to meditate on...
The current crop of leadership is the worst we have had in a long time and have done and will continue to do harm to the US and the world at large.
 
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That's what it seems like, I took today to go around some different parts of the forums and I saw a lot of A&N regulars posting and participating in threads. I was reading the thread Null created about A&N and a lot of the posts were more autistic than anything I have seen here. From giving posters here an X on their profiles, to outright banning us for the audacity of participating in a section of the forums. You had a lot of people saying make HHH a mod because it somehow makes us sperg, when in reality HHH is the sperg that comes in once in a blue moon, derails a thread for several pages and then leaves to cry to Null or other mods. I just don't get why get so ass blasted people are using a section of a forum that you created.
Because they don't see use of it so they purposely sabotage it to try and have it removed or gotten rid of because it hurts their fee-fees. It's a form of sophistry and elitism, seen similar things in gaming when it came to Nazi Zombies in Cod. The people who didn't like Zombies wanted the devs to remove Zombies to add more focus on MP and balancing/SP. "Screw them I don't play Zombies it shouldn't exist."

Basic bitch baby mentality: "I don't like it/use it so it shouldn't exist." Similar to gun control philosophy when the parody of "car control" arguments are brought up.

In regards to Null it looks like he's more conflicted with capitulating to "veteran members" and a addition they don't like. It's not that they violated anything the vets just don't like it with viral hatred because of their own political biases which becomes more obvious the more you read their posts, they're just good at placing facades that either Null is aware of (which I'm certain he's smart enough to realize this) or being played.
 
The 1.5 Billion dollar Defamation lawsuits from Dominion that happen whenever someone in media suggests the 2020 election wasn't the most transparent and secure election in history certainly aren't helping, either.
iirc 2000 Mules doesn't get into Dominion in any way, it's much more mundane stuff of "here's another video of another guy dumping another giant sack of ballots at the dropoff"
that's why it isn't called "2000 Servers"
 
Because they don't see use of it so they purposely sabotage it to try and have it removed or gotten rid of because it hurts their fee-fees. It's a form of sophistry and elitism, seen similar things in gaming when it came to Nazi Zombies in Cod. The people who didn't like Zombies wanted the devs to remove Zombies to add more focus on MP and balancing/SP. "Screw them I don't play Zombies it shouldn't exist."

Basic bitch baby mentality: "I don't like it/use it so it shouldn't exist." Similar to gun control philosophy when the parody of "car control" arguments are brought up.

In regards to Null it looks like he's more conflicted with capitulating to "veteran members" and a addition they don't like. It's not that they violated anything the vets just don't like it with viral hatred because of their own political biases which becomes more obvious the more you read their posts, they're just good at placing facades that either Null is aware of (which I'm certain he's smart enough to realize this) or being played.
Null wants a place to sperg about lolcows, without dealing with the sort of people who sperg about politics. That's entirely understandable. People who want this forum to be a sociopolitical monoculture (which is a certain irony, given the positions of some of them) are using that as a lever to force their way.

I outlined a possible solution in the despot thread. The tl';dr is that the problem with A&N specifically isn't political, it's because it's an unfocused dumping ground that promotes spergery. Sort of like Twitter in a way. I don't know if the solution will work, but I'm sure it's a better idea than just "lol megathreads ban everyone right of marx", which seems to be the default solution every couple of pages.

I personally like having people disagree with me, as in actually bringing reasoned counter-arguments to my position, because I like debating with people who are smarter than me; there's a hope that some of the intelligence will rub off. There's a reason why thesis-antithesis-synthesis is such an enduring concept.

Anyway...


BBC seems to have found an angle they like for Dr Oz. He's a muslim. Bet on this becoming a wedge issue later.


Abbott formula plant re-opens. Biden will undoubtedly take credit.
 
Exactly. When it was just black-on-black violence in true blue shitholes it did not serve a narrative function but now that it can be lumped in with the "pandemic of gun violence" they can lump it in and crank up the "reeeee".
It's still mostly just black-on-black violence. In the old days, though, most people didn't realize that everything black people do is caused by white people having too much liberty.


Null wants a place to sperg about lolcows, without dealing with the sort of people who sperg about politics. That's entirely understandable. People who want this forum to be a sociopolitical monoculture (which is a certain irony, given the positions of some of them) are using that as a lever to force their way.

I outlined a possible solution in the despot thread. The tl';dr is that the problem with A&N specifically isn't political, it's because it's an unfocused dumping ground that promotes spergery. Sort of like Twitter in a way. I don't know if the solution will work, but I'm sure it's a better idea than just "lol megathreads ban everyone right of marx", which seems to be the default solution every couple of pages.

I personally like having people disagree with me, as in actually bringing reasoned counter-arguments to my position, because I like debating with people who are smarter than me; there's a hope that some of the intelligence will rub off. There's a reason why thesis-antithesis-synthesis is such an enduring concept.

So many lolcows are troons, and troonery has become a political powder keg, so I don't realistically see how you avoid it. This part of the site (since I'm a 2021 n00b, why do people call it A&H, not A&N?) helps keep the lolcow threads on topic. Only so many ways I can shit on Boogie, anyway.
 
(since I'm a 2021 n00b, why do people call it A&H, not A&N?)
Happenings used to be part of this board until it was separated. Null wanted to stop all the article reposts tanking his SEO, but also recognised that happenings needed to remain public for the same reason, so he split them. I'm using a&n to maintain that differentiation, because happenings isn't the problem, imo.
 
Null wants a place to sperg about lolcows, without dealing with the sort of people who sperg about politics. That's entirely understandable. People who want this forum to be a sociopolitical monoculture (which is a certain irony, given the positions of some of them) are using that as a lever to force their way.

I outlined a possible solution in the despot thread. The tl';dr is that the problem with A&N specifically isn't political, it's because it's an unfocused dumping ground that promotes spergery. Sort of like Twitter in a way. I don't know if the solution will work, but I'm sure it's a better idea than just "lol megathreads ban everyone right of marx", which seems to be the default solution every couple of pages.

I personally like having people disagree with me, as in actually bringing reasoned counter-arguments to my position, because I like debating with people who are smarter than me; there's a hope that some of the intelligence will rub off. There's a reason why thesis-antithesis-synthesis is such an enduring concept.
My only problem with the first claim is there are people sperging about politics outside of AnH and not the targets that keep getting referenced as those doing it. Yet those users are avoided and I think there's an obvious reason for that despite many avoiding that very touchy subject I think because their biases are clouding them as well. Some of the same users complaining about AnH which makes it more obscene as it were.

I don't think it's an instantly bad idea, but I do find it extremely weird that Null just refuses to touch on any basis of keeping it in touch what he wants (such as say quality assurance in AnH to cut out non-intelligent sperging) It's the same reason if it's over complaints from multiple sides and angles (or "both sides") why not just ban the obnoxious whining spergs, but then I realize it would probably target a fair few "veteran members". Which puts him in a catch 22, or just creates a severe impasse because he doesn't want to lose those members who have been a major contributor to the community, and even giving said users a warning would then threaten the members he doesn't want to lose. This would also apply to why he avoids quality assurance guidelines as well as certain users of the aforementioned would also be hit once again by violating that concept* [more than likely].

I agree people should be free to disagree or counter argue, the problem is certain groups have no good-faith arguments, and although it's been hinted by many even if he were to ban every AnH regular/etc. those same users not touched would further create a slippery slope with other opinions as well. I've seen (and participated in) these same power struggles on other forums and it never stops with the "intended targets" it always branches out until the death of the forum occurs or a nasty culture clash brews amongst different sects of users, because once they get away with it they learn to do it again and again creating a one sided outcome.

Being blunt about it Null is better off cutting the alter from underneath the sacred cows and enforcing on them the same guidelines [assuming one is created], even if they threaten to leave (bluff) and as someone else pointed out in a topic this creates a severe disadvantage to new posters vs. veterans which will constantly further the clash when handing such a bias. Both sides of the conflict have to be reigned in not just one or it will end badly. Something something give them an inch...

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I'm glad enough pushback probably had the baby formula plants re-open was getting a little worried to some parents I know with how things were heading a few weeks back for them.
 
I see that you all are debating on the State of the Farms. However, the paraplegic poltisperg that I am, I must inform you gentlemen and ladies that the always wrong bald man has made a prediction.

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Btw @Null, it's summer; gotta lot of time and idle hands. I'd purge this place for free.
Most of the people I follow don’t think the recession is now either. Two think we will make new all time highs, the rest think a strong recovery near it.

That being said they all think the debt bubble will pop within a few years which will mean a recession possibly a depression.
 
It's still mostly just black-on-black violence. In the old days, though, most people didn't realize that everything black people do is caused by white people having too much liberty.
Also back in the day the police and community efforts kept the violence contained in the ghettos, bugmen never cared if the blacks killed each other in the first place. Now that the violence is spilling into their sections of the hive, they suddenly care.
Being blunt about it Null is better off cutting the alter from underneath the sacred cows and enforcing on them the same guidelines [assuming one is created], even if they threaten to leave (bluff) and as someone else pointed out in a topic this creates a severe disadvantage to new posters vs. veterans which will constantly further the clash when handing such a bias. Both sides of the conflict have to be reigned in not just one or it will end badly. Something something give them an inch...
Sounds like the current year system to gain power,
Step 1: Create problem through incompetence or malice (All the shitty whiners derailing threads)
Step 2: Manufacture additional pressure with mobbing and media (Spam Null with complaints about stickers or whatever)
Step 3: Propose a 'solution' that gives you power or whatever (Whatever the spergatroids want)
Step 4: Stop all the mobbing and media pressure you control (Leave Null alone...for now)
Step 5: Repeat until all power is usurped.

Luckily there is any easy way to stop dipshits like HHH from derailing threads, just hover over his name and hit this:
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I haven't seen one of his lazy 'posts' in years. Its great.

Maybe I should be AT dictator.
 
That's what it seems like, I took today to go around some different parts of the forums and I saw a lot of A&N regulars posting and participating in threads. I was reading the thread Null created about A&N and a lot of the posts were more autistic than anything I have seen here. From giving posters here an X on their profiles, to outright banning us for the audacity of participating in a section of the forums. You had a lot of people saying make HHH a mod because it somehow makes us sperg, when in reality HHH is the sperg that comes in once in a blue moon, derails a thread for several pages and then leaves to cry to Null or other mods. I just don't get why get so ass blasted people are using a section of a forum that you created.
This is only a part of the problem. This forum is about making fun of people, so you have people on it when given the chance will make fun of you if you let them. Responding to them is pointless, because they aren't there for an argument. Getting riled up over stickers is as autistic as it sounds. They are there to make fun of you, and they are using politics to bait you to repeatedly do it, and have admitted to it. The only winning move in the scenario is not to play.

TLDR? Stop falling for the bait.
 
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