May 3, 2022 - Chris returned to CVRJ

[A Grey Cat]

Of course he would go free, as would anyone else charged with this crime. It doesn't involve a life sentence. By the time this is all said and done, he would have been in jail for a year, which is a possible sentence for the crime. I don't think he got any kind of kid gloves here.

IDK man I say "walk free" but I mean spending a year stewing in jail doing nothing besides writing sperg letters about being Jesus and blowing commissary from weens on ramen and Swiss rolls? Doesn't sound like much of a punishment for what he did.

I know the cwcki says "stop calling Chris a rapist, " but let's be real here he IS a rapist. Even if he's never charged or convicted of rape, what he did was rape or at least coercion into an inappropriate sexual relationship with his own mother.

Honest question for everyone, do you think anyone involved in this-court and prison personnel, the doctors and staff at the mental hospital, and the cops have done any online research on Chris?

Of course they don’t need too per se, and probably have more important concerns that checking to see if a fat autist is really “famous on the internet” but surely at least someone would be curious, don’t you think?

There is so much information on Chris out there, and it’s all so easily accessed, that surely someone has at least checked the wiki, if not read Kiwifarms threads.

The problem is most people involved with the legal system where Chris lives are old out of touch southern boomers who are still afraid of that "dang ole internet!" If this happened in a city where the population is younger or at least more in touch with the 21zt century than entire cybercrimes units would have been issuing warrants to have Chris's phone and computer searched and the call to ILJ would have been archived ifve times over in order to be used as circumstantial evidence in the case.

the video blatantly shows him looking around like a guilty child would before doing something they clearly know is wrong

Does it though? I get was filmed gruella style because Chris would probably throw an even worse screeching fit if he knew someone was filming him, but really all I could tell what was happening was Chris blowing a raspberry at someone before shouting the infamous "DONT CALL ANYBODY!" and then macing someone.

 

[A-№1]

I don't think he got any kind of kid gloves here.

Given what the court could have done with him, he's definitely getting the kid gloves. Remember, his charges started out as a felony, and the court wobbled them down from the start, gratis, not as part of any plea deal. They basically threw away their biggest bargaining chips for nothing.

Remember: they denied him bail and are keeping him in jail not to punish him, but for his own health and safety because nobody else but jail would feed, clothe, or shelter him.

Chris really is in jail for his own good. Had he been bailed out, he would have starved (or worse) long since.

Not really, this is probably some kind of required pro-bono stuff and Chris just got lucky.

I personally suspect the court saw all the media and internet attention Chris was getting and asked Heilberg to take the case as a personal favor since he has experience with public circuses. Heilberg, being semi-retired, probably saw it as a chanse to do some good and create some justice for the downtrodden etc.

Then he met Chris.

Often, this is the best offer they'll make and every subsequent offer will be worse.

I suspect Consolvo had an offer ready on day one, but then took one look at Chris, silently put the offer back in his pocket, and whispered to heilberg, "Yeah, we're going to have to have a think and a chat about this one."

Another possibility is they already came to an agreement out of court and are just going to bring a plea deal to the court at the end of the year.

I suspect they had an agreement all ready to go back in September, but Chris keeps fucking up in court. So they've made increasingly harsh attempt to sort him out so he'll behave in court and at leas listen to the plea deal.

"What is with this jackass? Lets see if a few months in jail doesn't fix him."

"Well that didn't work. Maybe a month or two at the state hospital will teach him his lesson."

At this point I'm not sure if Chris has even entered an official plea yet, or if he's just been his usual obstinately spergy self in court, refusing to say one way or the other.

I'm thinking they're going to insist on at least a misdemeanor though.

I think they're going to find some way to prevent Chris from waddling back to 14BLC and his fuckmommy, misdemeanor or not. That has to be what they really want.

a lot of lawyers are deliberately courting people like Chris (trans) as a way to advertise that they're "hip to the new cool kids".

I understand Heilberg's semi retired, and he definitely doesn't need to advertise.

Reading about Heilberg's cases and statements in the media about other things, he seems like less scummy Saul Goodman, but still on that level.

I wouldn't say that. Heilberg is one of those attorneys who gives our criminal justice system legitimacy. One of the biggest complaints about our legal system is that innocent but poor defendants get railroaded into punishment through being unable to afford adequate representation. Heilberg is a living example against that complaint.

 

[GypsyBard]

So what do you guys think is going on behind the scenes?
Think about it Chris was sending out letter after letter after letter now he sent two and he's done.
Before he was writing back really anybody who would write him now it seems he's only writing kengel back.
Something is going on.

 

[Ophelia]

IDK man I say "walk free" but I mean spending a year stewing in jail doing nothing besides writing sperg letters about being Jesus and blowing commissary from weens on ramen and Swiss rolls? Doesn't sound like much of a punishment for what he did.

If he loses his home and mommy, that’s when the punishment he feels will start.

Think about it Chris was sending out letter after letter after letter now he sent two and he's done.

It could be as simple as he doesn’t feel like it. Everything eventually becomes work to Chris, and then he stops doing it. Plus he hated being in the hospital and probably doesn’t want to think about it.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

So what do you guys think is going on behind the scenes?
Think about it Chris was sending out letter after letter after letter now he sent two and he's done.
Before he was writing back really anybody who would write him now it seems he's only writing kengel back.
Something is going on.

My guess is there’s a combination of people realising they’re not getting anything interesting back, at best it’s goddess gibberish, not updates on his mental state or additional information on his legal case and on Chris’s side maybe he’s finally realised how serious things are and is being more guarded about what he sends out and there’s only so many times he’s willing to hand write out how he hates the new MLP or larp about he’s actually an all powerful benevolent being and then pay for postage out of his own commissary money.

 

[A-№1]

If he loses his home and mommy, that’s when the punishment he feels will start.

But it won't end there…

To a normal person, a year in jail would be a horrible ordeal. Thus far, jail itself hasn't been very punishing to Chris. It's separation from his toys that's troubled him.

He has no idea what's waiting for him just around the corner.

 

[Male Idiot]

He propably rejected a plea deal that didn't involve him going back to the Sonichu temple.

As to Heilberg, poor guy is propably wishing he went for a holiday instead of taking a bullet for the team by now.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

Law is seen as this old people's club, that is stuck in the past, and these days, a lot of lawyers are deliberately courting people like Chris (trans) as a way to advertise that they're "hip to the new cool kids". Given the social media explosion of Chris after this all happened, Heilberg probably thought it would be a great way to get some free advertising. If you read about him in the local rags, he always seems to pop up with well known, local cases, sometimes controversial, with his opinions. At the time, all Heilberg knew of Chris was "Trans", "Famous on the internet", and "in all the local media".

It's probably a lot simpler than that. Many courts have attorneys who are on a list to take cases as a supplement to overworked PDs. These are often older attorneys who may be close to retirement.

 

[GypsyBard]

It's probably a lot simpler than that. Many courts have attorneys who are on a list to take cases as a supplement to overworked PDs. These are often older attorneys who may be close to retirement.

It's actually even more simple than that
In Virginia lawyers have to do a certain amount of pro bono work every year
So Chris's lawyer seen Chris's case and said man this could easily eat up all the hours I'm required to do
In other words instead of doing like 10 cases you could just do one

 

[A-№1]

Many courts have attorneys who are on a list to take cases as a supplement to overworked PDs.

But they're not forced to take those cases. Public defenders are assigned, but Heilberg was requested. He could have declined Chris' case with sufficient reason.

Also it's far too coincidental that a heavy hitter like Heilberg, experienced with media circuses, would have been randomly handed Chris' case. There are other defense attorneys in the Charlottesville area. It is far more likely he was specifically asked to take this case based on his experience.

It's also possible Heilberg himself requested this case. We don't really know. I'd like to ask him once this is all over.

In Virginia lawyers have to do a certain amount of pro bono work every year

It's not 100% pro bono. Unless Heilberg volunteered, he is definitely being compensated by the court, and his expenses are being covered, just at nowhere near his usual private practice rates.

That said, he's not doing this for the money.

So Chris's lawyer seen Chris's case and said man this could easily eat up all the hours I'm required to do

I'm not sure he's really racked up that many hours with Chris. I mean how many hours does it take to watch your client sperg out in court and get another continuance?

 

[Ophelia]

An actual interview with Heilberg (by a competent interviewer) about this case would be fascinating. (I know it’s never gonna happen)

 

[A-№1]

An actual interview with Heilberg (by a competent interviewer) about this case would be fascinating.

I think a letter would be sufficient, assuming he takes the time to write a reply. It could be as simple as: "Mr. Heilberg, the fuck were you thinking?"

If he ever writes an autobiography, I would read the fuck out of it.

 

[Stupidface]

An actual interview with Heilberg (by a competent interviewer) about this case would be fascinating.

There's no way he hasn't been bombarded by hoards of retards shrieking the unfunniest shit imaginable, at this point. I'd be surprised if he entertained anyone who wasn't a legitimate reporter after this is over, but it would definitely be interesting if he did manage to be interviewed by someone who knew what to ask.

 

[Rukario]

There's no way he hasn't been bombarded by hoards of retards shrieking the unfunniest shit imaginable, at this point. I'd be surprised if he entertained anyone who wasn't a legitimate reporter after this is over, but it would definitely be interesting if he did manage to be interviewed by someone who knew what to ask.

I would be very surprised if he doesn't get at least three "JULAY" calls a day, and the "All Star" video sent to him at least twice.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

But they're not forced to take those cases. Public defenders are assigned, but Heilberg was requested. He could have declined Chris' case with sufficient reason.

Also it's far too coincidental that a heavy hitter like Heilberg, experienced with media circuses, would have been randomly handed Chris' case. There are other defense attorneys in the Charlottesville area. It is far more likely he was specifically asked to take this case based on his experience.

It's also possible Heilberg himself requested this case. We don't really know. I'd like to ask him once this is all over.

We might sperg out about Chris on a daily basis, but to the rest of the world, he's just a guy charged with a low-level felony (or possibly a misdemeanor.) He's far from the worst that Heilberg has seen, for sure. Apparently he's represented people accused of having child porn.

Not sure why Heilberg is pumped up so much. He's been practicing law for a long time so obviously he's seen a lot of cases, but he's not some nationally recognized name who you call in for only the biggest, baddest cases. He's not Johnny Cochrane. Apparently a lot of his practice is made up of DUI cases.

Long story short, to the outside world this is just a nutty guy that fucked his mom. He probably refused a plea deal so Heilberg is letting him sit there until he's accrued enough time served to walk.

 

[AnOminous]

Not sure why Heilberg is pumped up so much. He's been practicing law for a long time so obviously he's seen a lot of cases, but he's not some nationally recognized name who you call in for only the biggest, baddest cases. He's not Johnny Cochrane. Apparently a lot of his practice is made up of DUI cases.

He's pretty well known locally and was the President of the local branch of the Virginia Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, as well as one of three co-authors of the practice manual used by criminal defense lawyers in Virginia, and most people would recognize at least one of his clients, the D.C. Sniper.

So he's not Johnny Cochrane but almost nobody is that. He'd certainly be recognized by most people in the Virginia legal community as at least a name they were familiar with.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

I wouldn't say that. Heilberg is one of those attorneys who gives our criminal justice system legitimacy. One of the biggest complaints about our legal system is that innocent but poor defendants get railroaded into punishment through being unable to afford adequate representation. Heilberg is a living example against that complaint.

I've searched for the cases that Heilberg has worked on. Everyone knows his work on John Malvo (DC Sniper), but in reality, the majority of his recent cases, at least from what I've seen, are DUI and drugs:

Spoiler: Links to cases Heilberg's been part of

https://www.pilotonline.com/government/virginia/article_0ed0a08a-1ba4-53f7-bb52-be40338d1047.html

Heilberg, a Charlottesville attorney, said he plans to use the defense in an upcoming DUI case. A blood test showed his client was taking only prescription medications at the time of the offense, he said.

https://casetext.com/case/us-v-rabinowitz-2
Looks like a dude growing weed.
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...ndicted-trial-scheduled-for-february-2012/246

“Intoxication doesn’t make a killing unintentional,” says David Heilberg, a Charlottesville defense attorney unafilliated with the case, to the paper. “What it does is it can negate the element of premeditation.”

He seems to pop up in these cases revolving around DUI relating things quite a bit, usually the papers list him as "unaffiliated" with whatever case they're talking about.
https://www.wvtf.org/law-crime/2015-02-10/jesse-matthew-jr-charged-in-murder-of-hannah-graham

Heilberg says that in his younger days, before the public defender system took over in many Virginia jurisdictions, he defended several murder defendants in jury trials as a court-appointed defense attorney with his compensation set at just $575 per trial.

The last one is interesting because it states that Heilberg as a "court-appointed defense attorney" back when Virginia didn't have a public defender system in place. It sounds like the court getting an attorney for a poor defendant was always something in that state up, up until the 1970s, it looks like, when they got an actual public defender system. This could explain the strange "appointment" of him to Chris's case since folks have said he's not a public defender.

I understand Heilberg's semi retired, and he definitely doesn't need to advertise.

Lawyers like this guy don't give up the law nor are "semi retired", he still practices law. If he's got a shingle out, he's a practicing attorney. Digging into it further, he's the second listed "Top Rated DUI lawyer in Charlottesville", according to Super Lawyers.

Heilberg's Super Lawyer profile

MR. HEILBERG is practicing into his fifth decade helping clients throughout central Virginia with assistance in criminal defense, personal injury and other matters. Mr. Heilberg has tried cases before a jury on over 100 occasions. He has advocated on behalf of individuals facing charges including capital murder, driving under the influence, assault and white-collar crimes such as embezzlement and fraud.

I think it's strange though since I'm not finding Heilberg having any experience with juvenile and domestic stuff, rape, sex offenses, etc..

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I get what you are saying but in the most basic terms you either acquire an attorney of your own volition or you get assigned one from the state/county. That person is defending you on the public's dime. I would call that a public defender even though I understand he is not a state/county employed public defender.

The difference is that the PD office is almost always overworked and are often notoriously bad at providing good representation for their clients. It's not that PDs are bad people or bad lawyers, it's just that they have so many cases on their desk they can't really provide everyone adequate attention.

An appointed private attorney has more time to do a decent job representing the indigent because he has fewer cases on his desk. He doesn't get hundreds of public cases dumped on him.

Greene County is too small to have a public defender's office, so they use appointed attorneys, which basically means they can ask any private defense attorney within a certain radius to take the case. In some ways it's a better system.

Not really, this is probably some kind of required pro-bono stuff and Chris just got lucky.

It's not pro-bono. There's a pay schedule, it's just relatively low-paying compared to what you can ask for from a regular customer. You get a small flat fee just for showing up, and then hourly pay for time you spend on the case. There's a lowballed cap to encourage frugality, but you're free to ask the judge to lift the cap in special cases.

The problem is most people involved with the legal system where Chris lives are old out of touch southern boomers who are still afraid of that "dang ole internet!" If this happened in a city where the population is younger or at least more in touch with the 21zt century than entire cybercrimes units would have been issuing warrants to have Chris's phone and computer searched and the call to ILJ would have been archived ifve times over in order to be used as circumstantial evidence in the case.

Charlottesville is a college town with a disproportionately younger population. Realistically there are not many attorneys in Greene County, so they go to Charlottesville to find appointed attorneys. Heilberg is based in Charlottesville.

That said, Heilberg is pretty old so he might not get the internet-related cases much.

I've searched for the cases that Heilberg has worked on. Everyone knows his work on John Malvo (DC Sniper), but in reality, the majority of his recent cases, at least from what I've seen, are DUI and drugs:

These are the bread and butter cases that pretty much every defense attorney takes to pay the bills. Cases involving serious crimes are mostly committed by people of not much means so they take the indigent route. You would be hard pressed to find a criminal defense attorney that does not have DUI/drug/domestic violence cases as the majority of what they handle.

The exception is super hotshot lawyers who are on personal retainer with the very rich, who pay them enough to just be around for when the shit hits the fan, and not have to take run-of-the-mill cases to make ends meet.

 

[AnOminous]

It's not pro-bono. There's a pay schedule, it's just relatively low-paying compared to what you can ask for from a regular customer. You get a small flat fee just for showing up, and then hourly pay for time you spend on the case. There's a lowballed cap to encourage frugality, but you're free to ask the judge to lift the cap in special cases.

They also cover a certain amount of necessary expenses, such as for expert witnesses, if they can be justified. This won't get you Dr. Park Dietz or anything but he could probably get a decent local psychiatric expert witness or forensic expert on sexual assault if for some reason it became necessary.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

I've searched for the cases that Heilberg has worked on. Everyone knows his work on John Malvo (DC Sniper),

It looks like had some role in John Allen Mohammad's habeas case (Mohammad was Malvo's accomplice), but he's not in the list of counsel on the decision, so I assume that it wasn't a major role. That's basically Heilberg's claim to fame.

I don't doubt that he's locally well known. He's been practicing for like, over 40 years so he ought to be. I just don't agree with the sentiment that he's some rock star attorney who would only be appointed to Chris' case if the judge thought that this was a particularly significant matter for some reason. He has a record of doing court appointed work. There's no greater machinations going on here.