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My guess is that they want Whitmer to survive 2022 to become the 2024 nominee. It explains all the fuckery and then some.
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She'd be an awful nominee though. She's like peak neolib karen energy, she won't galvanize her base and she has too many gotchas to be viable against a prospective Republican.
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When they all agree on something, you get bullshit like the PATRIOT Act.
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Hypothesis. The median black household makes 60% what the median white household does. But their income is increasing faster than that of whites, so there is money to be made in the future. Blacks now spend proportionately more of their income than whites on things like food, entertainment, and apparel. If these spending habits keep up with their increasing income, black consumers will be worth more than white consumers. So advertising will disproportionately target blacks.
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The irony that The Root is owned by a white man lol.
black supremacists relying on The White Man has to be more pathetic than the Azov Battalion relying on kikes for funding.
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I mean, its an initial theory.
Michigan is arguably the most difficult for Trump to win nationally, barring Minnesota, judging by vote totals from both runs.
There's several factors in play. Trying to save their own in a very vunerable seat in a horrible environment, needing her to stick for fortification of 2024 and beyond, trying to reverse the obvious trends that Trump accelerated, needing her for future stuff, and so on.
Also, her being a presidential nominee is not as crazy as it seems. The top 3 on the bench is Biden, who is polling at 33% nationally in his own primary as an incumbent president, Harris, who is more unpopular than Biden, and Hillary, who already lost with some of the biggest advantages in political history against a man referred to as Hitler 2. They would all lose the popular vote against Trump right now, and that means a blowout, so they are looking for other people. Whitmer may fit the mold of what they want: white woman who "appeals" to Rust Belt voters. Yeah, she has problems, but its better to go with someone unknown and hype them up as like Biden and hide the scandals, then to go into a losing fight. How effective that is? Probably not at all considering economic devestation soon.
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They lost their ability to cheat?
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Cliche as this sounds, I'll gladly take mean tweets and whatever short term boomer nonsense under Trump than THIS.
This is worse than Obama's recession period. This is asisine.
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Honka Honka Burning Love
In Clown World, the only god is the one who Honks.
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They they haven't lost their biggest (and only) Advantage.
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lmfao she's gonna get blasted this fall and will finally take that as an excuse to retire, clock it.
MrJokerRager
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Wasn't based black man from Detroit also removed from the ballot as well.
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I agree it would be a terrible move for the country but disagree that they respect institutions just because in the past couple of years they're better than the Democrats on that.
"It's too close to the election to appoint a new Supreme Court justice" was bullshit McConnell came up with for the lols. When he was in a position to get his justices in he straight up said it's different now because it's them. Good faith negotiation was a stablizing pillar, but that goes back to Gingrich torpedoing that in the 90s, Mitch just perfected it by having the balls to be honest about punking them.
Patriot Act and expressly telling the press to lie about the Iraq War, that was attacking the stabilizing factors of free speech, assembly, and movement, and the free press (I know, but it's gotten a lot worse after that came out in the open). Can you imagine a time when the New York Times would bury stories critical of a Republican administration because Bush told them to "for the good of the country"? Guantanamo destroyed the illusion of Due Process. We've never recovered from those erosions to the Republic, 20 years on.
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The Senate majority has absolute power over giving advice and consent
I agree that Bitch Mitch didn't need to come up with a fancy sounding rationalization. All he needed to say was "the Senate will not confirm any nomination Barack Obama might make, have a nice day" and be done with it
Goat and camel fucker hadjis are by definition francs-tireurs without rights by the laws of war, cry more about muh due process. Due process doesn't exist for francs-tireurs regardless of what Yerps say. All those Mossad agents out of uniform murdering Iranians left and right are 100% kosher under this muh rights for francs-tireurs BS. You want the protections of the laws of war, sign up for a real army of a real State and fight in uniform. Fuck backsliding into barbarism which is exactly what any random faggot can go and wage war in civilian dress is
But thank God that Merrick Garland is not on the Supreme Court. He's another double standard wannabe tyrant
Joe Sniffem says last night on Jimmy Faggell that Republicans should be thrown in jail, this morning the FBI, an arm of the Department of Justice, arrests the GOP frontrunner for the Party's nomination for the Michigan governor race for the sacred democracy destroying crime of *checks notes* standing on the steps of the Capitol Building on January 6. This is what Venezuela and Turkey and Russia and other shitholes do to opposition politicians
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Remember the DHS Disinformation Board that was totally not a Ministry of Truth?
Well, turns out a whistleblower has revealed that it planned on having social media companies take orders from Scary Poppins herself.
Well, turns out a whistleblower has revealed that it planned on having social media companies take orders from Scary Poppins herself.
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Anyone that still uses social media deserves what they get.
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The Democrats’ Only Real Presidential Choices
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Joe Biden is old, and Kamala Harris has struggled. But the search for another candidate could fatally divide the party.
Let’s begin with two matters of historical fact. They are indisputable, uncontroversial — and they define the dilemma for Democrats in the next presidential election with stark clarity.
First: When Ronald Reagan ran for president in 1980, his age was a serious challenge. If he won, he’d be the oldest elected president ever. Eight years later, when he left the White House after a second term with clear signs of declining abilities, he was younger than Joe Biden was the day he began his presidency.
Second: Since Alben Barkley failed to secure the 1952 Democratic presidential nomination, every Democratic vice president has eventually wound up as the party’s presidential nominee. None of them ever lost a fight for the nomination once they declared (though we’ll never know if Hubert Humphrey would have defeated Robert Kennedy in 196
.
As Democrats begin to think about 2024 — if only to cover their eyes from the likely train wreck that the midterms promise — their thoughts can be summarized simply: Will he? Should he? And if not him, who?
In a recent New York magazine piece, Gabriel Debenedetti gathered up the hopes (a few), fears (many) and wide-ranging speculation about a potential Biden reelection campaign. It provided not just yeas and nays to the “Will he? Should he?” questions, but a host of possible replacement candidates that the great majority of Americans have never heard of: Gov. Roy Cooper of North Carolina! Gov. Jared Polis of Colorado! Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey, fresh from a near defeat at the hands of a dyspeptic electorate! From other corners come calls for Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer or former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu or Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo.
All of these suggestions are based on the premise that Vice President Kamala Harris is too damaged politically to be the party’s presidential nominee. Debenedetti notes that “her approval rating is 15 points below where Biden stood at this stage in Barack Obama’s first term and 11 below Mike Pence under Trump,” and that she has been burdened by “the consistently negative tone of her coverage.”
Now let’s return to the two facts I began with.
The first tells us that Biden’s age is a problem far more serious than the one Reagan faced more than 42 years ago. When Reagan first ran, he was — or at least appeared to be — in fine physical condition. (Here’s what he looked and sounded like when he began his fall campaign.) But his mental faculties were challenged through the race, as reporters cited his conflating of fiction with fact, and his inability at times to remember his own proposals. By the time he ran for reelection, those doubts grew louder — especially after his first debate, when he stumbled through a number of answers. That debate with Walter Mondale prompted doubts about his acuity even in conservative outlets like the Wall Street Journal editorial page. He deflected those worries in his second debate with his famous quip that he would not attack Walter Mondale for his “youth and inexperience.” It got laughs, but there were enough concerns during his second term that his aides began to discreetly ponder the need to invoke the 25th Amendment’s tools when facing presidential disability.
With Biden, the signs of age are more performative than substantive; a slowing of movement, occasional confusion over words (a lifelong by-product of stuttering), and the determination of Fox News and other adversaries to portray — sometimes with creative video editing — every verbal stumble as conclusive evidence of dementia or cognitive decline. But overhanging all of that is the first digit of the age he will be if he runs again at nearly 82. No candidate has ever run, and no president has ever served, at age 80 or above.
It’s possible to cite any number of figures who were fully capable well into old, even very old, age. Pablo Casals was composing and conducting into his 90’s; Roger Angell was turning out elegant prose poems to baseball as he neared his centennial; John Paul Stevens was delivering sharp Supreme Court opinions at 90.
But the presidency is a very different question. The pitiless demands of the office age pretty much everyone who holds the job (just compare pictures of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama, three of our youngest chief executives, at the beginning and end of their tenures). As a personal matter: I am just a few months younger than Biden. I like to think I am more or less in possession of most of my faculties (sarcastic responses can be Tweeted to me @greenfield64). But the demands on me, and my contemporaries, are several orders of magnitude less than they are for a president. The inexorable impact of age — “senior moments” with aphasic-like groping with the proper names of a movie star or author, the increased power of gravity — afflict more or less all of us at this point in our lives. Which is why, even among friends most alarmed at the prospect of a second Trump presidency, there is real discomfort about the notion of president who would be 86 at the end of his term. Among the citizenry at large, according to the Wall Street Journal, less than a third think Biden will run again).
Which brings us to the significance of the second fact with which this piece began. The invocation of a baker’s dozen of possible Democratic contenders is fueled by the notion that Kamala Harris cannot be an effective presidential candidate. It may not be fair, but her lower-than-Biden approval numbers and implosion as a 2020 candidate, her detractors say, demand an alternative.
Now let’s return to Planet Earth for a moment. What happens if the Democratic Party — through whatever “leaders” it has or even through a competitive primary — effectively states: “After 60 years of elevating a sitting vice president, we have decided to break precedent now that the vice president is a Black woman.”
If Democrats do not appreciate the possible impact of that repudiation, they have only to look all the way back to… 2016. The marginally lower turnout among Black voters in Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee — attributable to a relative lack of enthusiasm compared to the times when Obama was on the ticket — was a key reason why Hillary Clinton lost those three traditionally blue states, and with them the presidency. Whatever difficulties Democrats will face in 2024, even a modestly disenchanted Black electorate would surely doom the ticket.
To offer the compulsory disclaimer: none of this is set in stone. Biden’s vitality may get a boost if the national mood brightens, or new evidence makes the danger of a Trump second term compelling. If her prospects seem dim enough, Harris could simply choose not to run — though recent polling, likely a measure of name identification, suggests she’s the front-runner for the nomination if Biden bows out.
As it stands, however, Democrats are staring at three root conditions:
Joe Biden is old, and Kamala Harris has struggled. But the search for another candidate could fatally divide the party.
Let’s begin with two matters of historical fact. They are indisputable, uncontroversial — and they define the dilemma for Democrats in the next presidential election with stark clarity.
First: When Ronald Reagan ran for president in 1980, his age was a serious challenge. If he won, he’d be the oldest elected president ever. Eight years later, when he left the White House after a second term with clear signs of declining abilities, he was younger than Joe Biden was the day he began his presidency.
Second: Since Alben Barkley failed to secure the 1952 Democratic presidential nomination, every Democratic vice president has eventually wound up as the party’s presidential nominee. None of them ever lost a fight for the nomination once they declared (though we’ll never know if Hubert Humphrey would have defeated Robert Kennedy in 196
.As Democrats begin to think about 2024 — if only to cover their eyes from the likely train wreck that the midterms promise — their thoughts can be summarized simply: Will he? Should he? And if not him, who?
In a recent New York magazine piece, Gabriel Debenedetti gathered up the hopes (a few), fears (many) and wide-ranging speculation about a potential Biden reelection campaign. It provided not just yeas and nays to the “Will he? Should he?” questions, but a host of possible replacement candidates that the great majority of Americans have never heard of: Gov. Roy Cooper of North Carolina! Gov. Jared Polis of Colorado! Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey, fresh from a near defeat at the hands of a dyspeptic electorate! From other corners come calls for Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer or former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu or Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo.
All of these suggestions are based on the premise that Vice President Kamala Harris is too damaged politically to be the party’s presidential nominee. Debenedetti notes that “her approval rating is 15 points below where Biden stood at this stage in Barack Obama’s first term and 11 below Mike Pence under Trump,” and that she has been burdened by “the consistently negative tone of her coverage.”
Now let’s return to the two facts I began with.
The first tells us that Biden’s age is a problem far more serious than the one Reagan faced more than 42 years ago. When Reagan first ran, he was — or at least appeared to be — in fine physical condition. (Here’s what he looked and sounded like when he began his fall campaign.) But his mental faculties were challenged through the race, as reporters cited his conflating of fiction with fact, and his inability at times to remember his own proposals. By the time he ran for reelection, those doubts grew louder — especially after his first debate, when he stumbled through a number of answers. That debate with Walter Mondale prompted doubts about his acuity even in conservative outlets like the Wall Street Journal editorial page. He deflected those worries in his second debate with his famous quip that he would not attack Walter Mondale for his “youth and inexperience.” It got laughs, but there were enough concerns during his second term that his aides began to discreetly ponder the need to invoke the 25th Amendment’s tools when facing presidential disability.
With Biden, the signs of age are more performative than substantive; a slowing of movement, occasional confusion over words (a lifelong by-product of stuttering), and the determination of Fox News and other adversaries to portray — sometimes with creative video editing — every verbal stumble as conclusive evidence of dementia or cognitive decline. But overhanging all of that is the first digit of the age he will be if he runs again at nearly 82. No candidate has ever run, and no president has ever served, at age 80 or above.
It’s possible to cite any number of figures who were fully capable well into old, even very old, age. Pablo Casals was composing and conducting into his 90’s; Roger Angell was turning out elegant prose poems to baseball as he neared his centennial; John Paul Stevens was delivering sharp Supreme Court opinions at 90.
But the presidency is a very different question. The pitiless demands of the office age pretty much everyone who holds the job (just compare pictures of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama, three of our youngest chief executives, at the beginning and end of their tenures). As a personal matter: I am just a few months younger than Biden. I like to think I am more or less in possession of most of my faculties (sarcastic responses can be Tweeted to me @greenfield64). But the demands on me, and my contemporaries, are several orders of magnitude less than they are for a president. The inexorable impact of age — “senior moments” with aphasic-like groping with the proper names of a movie star or author, the increased power of gravity — afflict more or less all of us at this point in our lives. Which is why, even among friends most alarmed at the prospect of a second Trump presidency, there is real discomfort about the notion of president who would be 86 at the end of his term. Among the citizenry at large, according to the Wall Street Journal, less than a third think Biden will run again).
Which brings us to the significance of the second fact with which this piece began. The invocation of a baker’s dozen of possible Democratic contenders is fueled by the notion that Kamala Harris cannot be an effective presidential candidate. It may not be fair, but her lower-than-Biden approval numbers and implosion as a 2020 candidate, her detractors say, demand an alternative.
Now let’s return to Planet Earth for a moment. What happens if the Democratic Party — through whatever “leaders” it has or even through a competitive primary — effectively states: “After 60 years of elevating a sitting vice president, we have decided to break precedent now that the vice president is a Black woman.”
If Democrats do not appreciate the possible impact of that repudiation, they have only to look all the way back to… 2016. The marginally lower turnout among Black voters in Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee — attributable to a relative lack of enthusiasm compared to the times when Obama was on the ticket — was a key reason why Hillary Clinton lost those three traditionally blue states, and with them the presidency. Whatever difficulties Democrats will face in 2024, even a modestly disenchanted Black electorate would surely doom the ticket.
To offer the compulsory disclaimer: none of this is set in stone. Biden’s vitality may get a boost if the national mood brightens, or new evidence makes the danger of a Trump second term compelling. If her prospects seem dim enough, Harris could simply choose not to run — though recent polling, likely a measure of name identification, suggests she’s the front-runner for the nomination if Biden bows out.
As it stands, however, Democrats are staring at three root conditions:
- Age will be a serious, legitimate issue if Biden runs again; but he’s the only candidate who would preserve party unity.
- If Biden did not run, Harris would enter a presidential race carrying a 747 full of baggage.
- Any attempt to find an alternative to Harris risks fatally alienating the party’s most essential voters.
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There was a recent president who looked more full of vim and verve after four years in office than he did before
Wonder what his secret was
Wonder what his secret was
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Biden literally Stonetossing us. The blessed day of the Biden-Nigger-Moment edges ever closer.
In other news, the regime has progressed to arresting members of the opposing party. Anything to keep those seats intact:
... Hey remind me what happened in Germany when they started throwing politicians in jail in the early parts of last century?
We Weimar now. History doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme.
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If there's a hands-up-don't-shoot incident the media will bury it. They're not trying to depose the president anymore.
I have a feeling that headline was written by one of /ourguys/, seriously, an "Afro-Cuban white supremacist?"
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