I hate pro-bughive channels

[NevskyProspekt]

You might be interested in the work of Lincoln Allison, who is, for want of a better description, a right-leaning environmentalist. He was a very influential academic back in the day when dissenting opinions were allowed.

I attended a lecture of his where he tore apart the environmentalist movement. Three points I particularly remember:

1 - Suburban gardens (at least British-style ones with lots of borders, flowerbeds and trees) are massively biodiverse and key habitats for many endangered species. What we think of as "natural" has no connection to logic or history. The North Yorkshire Moors, which look like this -

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- are not "natural" or "biodiverse". They're actually a post-apocalyptic man-made hellscape. They used to be forests until Iron Age farmers cut all the trees down for farmland and the resulting soil erosion and nutrient drain means that almost nothing can grow except grass, moss and heather. There is more biodiversity in a single suburban garden than the entire moor.

2 - On a related note, it's soil erosion, not climate change, that we should be pissing our pants about.

3 - If we spent all the money pledged under the Kyoto Protocol on mitigating the effects of climate change rather than simply delaying it (even if Kyoto is implemented 100%, it will delay temperature rises by about 25 years tops) by investing in flood defences, irrigation projects, solar-powered desalination plants and the like, we'd save way more lives, boost the world economy and still have enough money left over to provide clean water to everyone on Earth who currently doesn't have it.


On the topic of Bugman channels, fuck BritMonkey. Not only does he want everyone to get in the pods and eat the bugs, he wants to rip up Britain's farmland and "re-wild" it, at a time when our food security is subject to its biggest threats since WWII. Fuck off.

Allison's work is brilliant! His preferences remind me of the Garden City movement which, in my opinion, are a far preferable alternative in urban reform in the U.S. than the radical 'bughive' types. It supports the 'build for people, not cars' model while also rejecting the idea of stuffing as many people as possible into concrete high-rises. There's also a great deal of focus on architectural beauty. It places a greater emphasis on greenery, organicism and balance in living patterns, where it's not too dense but also not too sprawling.

The dacha system in Russia and other Eurasian states is more evocative of this, where there are cottages on mid-sized privately owned plots of land on which families grow their own food. 40% of Russia's foodstuffs are produced on these small-scale homesteads. Note the lack of non-porous concrete surfaces, which minimizes flooding and keeps the soil (and water table) healthy and less effected by runoff. You still have single-family houses but they're far more integrated into nature than the current 'clear cut everything' American model preferred by modern developers. The houses are much less cookie-cutter as well.

One of my biggest gripes with the current American model of suburban development is that it doesn't have homesteading in mind. The land is just clear-cut entirely of non-grass vegetation (or in the case of many Southwestern developments, they put down a ton of water-intensive sod which is a drain on a limited resource) and often-tyrannical HOA's are established, which means you can't even keep a couple of chickens in your backyard for home-grown eggs. You can't collect rainwater, you can't set up a garden, you just have an empty, shadeless, scorching lawn with a few permitted shrubs here and there. This isn't always the case but it's very, very common. Note the near-total lack of gardens in any of these yards. It's depressing af and the kind of thing I'm talking about when I criticize the sprawling development patterns happening in places like Texas.

I'm also quite a big fan of the Earthship movement in New Mexico, which focuses on being as off-the-grid as practically possible and utilizing local or recycled materials with a focus on sustainability. People are re-discovering the benefits of pre-WWII construction methods, building according to the local environment. You also save a crapton of energy costs on heating and cooling when your home is designed to naturally breathe. They're also quite beautiful.

Um wrong dude, have you seen the average British house?
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No wonder Eurocucks are baffled by lawns.

British houses often have much shorter setbacks in the front, but usually have quite sizable gardens in the back, which you can't see in the photograph you posted.

^ This is just over three miles from central London.

 

[quaawaa]

One of my biggest gripes with the current American model of suburban development is that it doesn't have homesteading in mind. The land is just clear-cut entirely of non-grass vegetation (or in the case of many Southwestern developments, they put down a ton of water-intensive sod which is a drain on a limited resource) and often-tyrannical HOA's are established, which means you can't even keep a couple of chickens in your backyard for home-grown eggs. You can't collect rainwater, you can't set up a garden, you just have an empty, shadeless, scorching lawn with a few permitted shrubs here and there. This isn't always the case but it's very, very common. Note the near-total lack of gardens in any of these yards. It's depressing af and the kind of thing I'm talking about when I criticize the sprawling development patterns happening in places like Texas.

You can garden in many suburban neighborhoods. No clue why you don’t think that’s impossible; half of the houses in your third American photo have decorative (not food) gardens. That neighborhood is also brand new, and the trees along the roads will grow and provide shade. You can see this starting to happen in the cul-de-sac in the second picture.

Gardening is a ton of work, and many people don’t want to do it. They would rather have a lawn than overgrown/dead plants and would rather go to the store then plant their own food. It is also common to have community gardens in neighborhoods similar to the dachas, but without the buildings (besides maybe a greenhouse) because there’s no point because they are close to home.

You’ve clearly had some bad experience with a poorly run neighborhood and believe that all low density areas are like that specific area. You really need to get around more, because the things you said are just not true for most of the country. For example, most new Southwestern neighborhoods have gravel or artificial turf “lawns”, not sod.

 

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For example, most new Southwestern neighborhoods have gravel or artificial turf “lawns”, not sod.

And landscaping with native desert plants. Then you get to see cool things like showy milkweed, smoke trees, blue chalksticks, and other neat succulents.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Conservatives: If you're going to ban guns why not ban cars too, more people die from cars every year
Hipsters: You're right

Bughive cheerleader in chief Adam Something literally jusst advocated for the beginnings of this :



nOBodY nEEds A cAR!!11!!1!

 

[CallMeKiwi]

Bughive cheerleader in chief Adam Something literally jusst advocated for the beginnings of this :

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nOBodY nEEds A cAR!!11!!1!

I thought this was satire at first, all that's missing is something about giving teachers their own car with only one door.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

Bughive cheerleader in chief Adam Something literally jusst advocated for the beginnings of this :

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nOBodY nEEds A cAR!!11!!1!

Makes me think he might be a German and everyone pro-environmental German I've ever met has had the dumbest ideas and almost always (as has been pointed out) don't drive themselves, if you want to prevent cars from being used as a battering ram you install bollards like everyone else has done not ban cars from the inner city.

 

[Meriasek]

Makes me think he might be a German and everyone pro-environmental German I've ever met has had the dumbest ideas and almost always (as has been pointed out) don't drive themselves, if you want to prevent cars from being used as a battering ram you install bollards like everyone else has done not ban cars from the inner city.

One of our most prominent proponents of "ban cars everywhere" actually thought that having Geofencing and hardwired speed limits would have helped, too.
Because Geofencing would have stopped a 15 year old car like the one used in that attack.
These people usually talk about just reduction of car traffic and so on, but when pressed they do want to ban all individual transport as much as possible.

 

[quaawaa]

Bughive cheerleader in chief Adam Something literally jusst advocated for the beginnings of this :

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nOBodY nEEds A cAR!!11!!1!

If cars were banned there, the terrorist would have stolen/rented a truck like they did in Nice.
If you ban delivery trucks, then enjoy a ”walkable“ neighborhood with no businesses to walk to.

 

[Akashic Retard]

You can't own a home in any country that has property tax.

 

[FFinfo]

You can't own a home in any country that has property tax.

Property taxes are locally determined, not federally.

 

[Akashic Retard]

Property taxes are locally determined, not federally.

Property taxes are rent.

 

[FFinfo]

Property taxes are rent.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying in the US you can vote to have the rent abolished. Taxes are handled by the county, which is not too big of a political unit. If you're stuck with high property taxes (and technically any property taxes at all) it's your neighbors, not the feds, supporting the current tax system for it and not doing a use tax.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Makes me think he might be a German and everyone pro-environmental German I've ever met has had the dumbest ideas and almost always (as has been pointed out) don't drive themselves, if you want to prevent cars from being used as a battering ram you install bollards like everyone else has done not ban cars from the inner city.

He is a German shitlib and i cant get him out of my fucking feed.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Adam Something is fixated on the idea of putting trains or trolleys everywhere regardless of how feasible it is. I think one of his most recent videos was reiterating how bad electric buses were because they may catch on fire - never mind that said electric buses are probably benefiting right now from not having to pay exorbitant amounts of money to pay for diesel.

Traffic is annoying, yes, but outside of densely populated zones (or from one densely populated area direct to another), it makes absolutely no cost-effective sense to use consumer/passenger trains. Not only are most rail networks owned and managed by shipping companies (so consumer/passenger trains are low on the priority scale and must wait for shipping trains to pass before the passenger trains can continue on), but laying down more track requires a bunch of terraforming (or going around swamps/mountains/etc.), grading, etc. - something that passenger train companies like Amtrak cannot afford since they've bled a bunch of money from loss of passengers and from fees from using said shipping company-owned rail lines.

Additionally, if you use a train, unless you're going super-long distances, you pretty much arrive at the same time as if you were driving since the train usually averages around 60 mph. Depending on train schedules in cities such as NYC, it's probably faster to walk sometimes.

Yeah Adam something seems to forget that trains have their own sorts of issues and much of it is Nimby why we don't have upgrades people forget that people moved away to the suburbs to get away from noisy trains.

 

[Corpun]

Bughive cheerleader in chief Adam Something literally jusst advocated for the beginnings of this :

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nOBodY nEEds A cAR!!11!!1!

"How can cars do this?"

Because you slam the gas pedal and that shit goes 80 in a couple seconds you mong.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

"How can cars do this?"

Because you slam the gas pedal and that shit goes 80 in a couple seconds you mong.

"No one needs assault cars. 0 to 60 should take no less than 5 minutes"

I'm really glad you made this thread OP, I suddenly started getting a ton of these bughive channels recommended to me within the last two weeks. It struck me as really surreal, they all sound fucking insane and have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about. I honestly think this genre of channels contains the highest levels of ignorance relative to their respective topic that I've ever fucking seen, it's truly baffling. And they all act inhuman, they have such bizarre opinions and manners of speaking, I'm not even sure how to explain it. I was thinking about collecting some clips and making a thread on this topic, because each and every one of these bugmen channels seem like at minimum a D-grade lolcow.

I'm going to grab some of the channels I was seeing and add them here later, I don't think they've been mentioned yet.

 

[Corpun]

"No one needs assault cars. 0 to 60 should take no less than 5 minutes"

I'm really glad you made this thread OP, I suddenly started getting a ton of these bughive channels recommended to me within the last two weeks. It struck me as really surreal, they all sound fucking insane and have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about. I honestly think this genre of channels contains the highest levels of ignorance relative to their respective topic that I've ever fucking seen, it's truly baffling. And they all act inhuman, they have such bizarre opinions and manners of speaking, I'm not even sure how to explain it. I was thinking about collecting some clips and making a thread on this topic, because each and every one of these bugmen channels seem like at minimum a D-grade lolcow.

I'm going to grab some of the channels I was seeing and add them here later, I don't think they've been mentioned yet.

If there is enough on some of these people like Adam Something I may make a thread on them in community watch. Dunno what I'd call it, maybe bughive/urbanite YouTube or something. May have too much crossover with Breadtube though,

 

[quaawaa]

If there is enough on some of these people like Adam Something I may make a thread on them in community watch. Dunno what I'd call it, maybe bughive/urbanite YouTube or something. May have too much crossover with Breadtube though,

The two biggest ones the /r/fuckcars crowd cites are Strong Towns and Not Just Bikes.

The Strong Towns guy, Charles “Chuck” Marohn Jr., is a hypocrite who lives in a single family house in the small, car dependent town of Brainerd, Minnesota, despite advocating for low density areas like his hometown to be regulated out of existence.

 

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If there is enough on some of these people like Adam Something I may make a thread on them in community watch. Dunno what I'd call it, maybe bughive/urbanite YouTube or something. May have too much crossover with Breadtube though,

Do eet. Maybe broaden it to include all the creepy bughive NGOs and bugpandering corporations, if you want a broader scope to better distinguish it from Breadtube and the Reddit General. I think there's enough material for a decent thread.

 

[NevskyProspekt]

And landscaping with native desert plants. Then you get to see cool things like showy milkweed, smoke trees, blue chalksticks, and other neat succulents.

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Yeah, Xeroscaping. I'm a big fan of that, and thankfully it's catching on in parts of Texas.

The two biggest ones the /r/fuckcars crowd cites are Strong Towns and Not Just Bikes.

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Strong Towns and Not Just Bikes (moreso the latter) are actually on the more moderate side compared to others like Adam Something (who absolutely is what I would consider a bugman). Not Just Bikes even had a video on the benefits of streetcar suburbs, explained that suburbs have always been a thing (even several medieval cities had precursors to modern suburbs) and discussed how high density concrete high-rise living definitely isn't for everybody. He seems to hold a more nuanced view of the matter and is more concerned with pointless sprawl/overdevelopment rather than the concept of a single family detached home.