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Fuck. He's not going to wait for the judge at this rate. He's fucking decomposing.... this is one of the worst pics in this thread. I can't imagine being one of his care team right now. I can only assume jahi being fat lasted longer whereas poor roided (honestly don't think its out of the question for real, even if she didnt understand that the supplements were roids) archie has no body fat reserves and has just cannibalised all that muscle.

And why hasn't she got a QC already? Will no lawyer touch this?

Deep thought. This isn't a cope. She knows when he dies there may be an inquest and her past will be exposed plus who knows what comes up on the post mortem.
 
That's because the author is a biologist and a Catholic priest. Yes they exist. Yes they are heckin valid.
Somewhere in the mid 70s there was a bit of a push to get personal anecdotes and feelings out of scientific literature. It was never really like a blog or anything, but lots of old literature would have a scientists personal opinions thrown in for good measure. Some are actually fun to read, Einstein’s and Darwin’s are famous.

1980 is a bit late for this nonsense, but it would be perfectly natural for an older established scientist ( who I’m guessing they would call in for such a delicate autopsy) to be writing this way.

It stands out to modern readers because we are well past the point where that purge took place and are used to very dry papers with only supported facts and data.

There are plenty of very religious scientists today, but you wouldn’t know it reading their papers.
 
The phrase “image and likeness of God” appears waaaaaay too many times on that page ostensibly published as a case study on a .gov medical site. Not to mention the references to Pope John Paul II.
It's not a case study -- the title is "A philosophical assessment of TK's autopsy report," it's written by an ordained Catholic priest, and it's in the Linacre Quarterly which is run by the Catholic Medical Association.

PubMed is basically just a search engine for medical journal articles, including bioethics; the article being found there has nothing to do with the US government having an opinion on anything in it.
 
PubMed is basically just a search engine for medical journal articles, including bioethics; the article being found there has nothing to do with the US government having an opinion on anything in it.
This misunderstanding right here and the same with the UK nih.gov site has led so many people up the garden path believing that some crap, outdated research or someone's opinion is the latest, validest, peer reviewedest science.

So much of antivax, coof and gender nonsense has come about from the sincere sharing of such material by people who don't realise.
 
This misunderstanding right here and the same with the UK nih.gov site has led so many people up the garden path believing that some crap, outdated research or someone's opinion is the latest, validest, peer reviewedest science.

So much of antivax, coof and gender nonsense has come about from the sincere sharing of such material by people who don't realise.
Information is great, but the lack of science education in the general public, and their ability to understand how research and archiving works, almost nullifies this. To say nothing of how media reporting works. I think "peer review" is something lay people don't really get. I mean, I don't get it. But if I'm remembering the Andrew Wakefield saga correctly, the media doesn't need something to be properly vetted and peer reviewed to make it a big news piece, while plenty of properly done studies and papers languish in obscurity.

I'm sure lots of us were checking the r/coronavirus subreddit for a while. Every now and then some hysterical post would pop up pointing out that the subreddit was formed years before 2019. Proof of conspiracy, they'd say! Just zero awareness that "coronavirus" is a whole class of viruses and the new one was just a NEW one. They'd never heard of it before, therefore only the one they know about exists, and they didn't like acknowledging how much they didn't know. I guess that makes people feel scared, but I don't know why the remedy is more denial.

I'm speaking as someone who is mostly scientifically illiterate beyond high school, but I'm grateful my basic Catholic high school education still at least taught me how to understand when I don't understand something, and to pay attention to who is telling me a "scientific fact."
 
Information is great, but the lack of science education in the general public, and their ability to understand how research and archiving works, almost nullifies this. To say nothing of how media reporting works. I think "peer review" is something lay people don't really get. I mean, I don't get it. But if I'm remembering the Andrew Wakefield saga correctly, the media doesn't need something to be properly vetted and peer reviewed to make it a big news piece, while plenty of properly done studies and papers languish in obscurity.

I'm sure lots of us were checking the r/coronavirus subreddit for a while. Every now and then some hysterical post would pop up pointing out that the subreddit was formed years before 2019. Proof of conspiracy, they'd say! Just zero awareness that "coronavirus" is a whole class of viruses and the new one was just a NEW one. They'd never heard of it before, therefore only the one they know about exists, and they didn't like acknowledging how much they didn't know. I guess that makes people feel scared, but I don't know why the remedy is more denial.

I'm speaking as someone who is mostly scientifically illiterate beyond high school, but I'm grateful my basic Catholic high school education still at least taught me how to understand when I don't understand something, and to pay attention to who is telling me a "scientific fact."
This is an old article, but I send it to laypeople all the time. If I ever became a science teacher for some reason, this would be one of my first lessons.

I’m not linking to the actual paper. It’s been practally erased from the internet, but you can find it if you want to.

 
Urgh that room must stink. Hollie was saying he was having loose stools not exploding liquid stools.

Editing so I don't double post. Hollie is lying about what happened before Archie's "accident'. There are two interviews from Thursday on the Christian Concern YouTube page where she gives more detail. Both are fairly early on in the clips and worth watching.

She repeats the story about the rabbit in the swim bag in both interviews and I believe this happens. However, she alleges that she went up to her bedroom to charge her phone. While she was in her bedroom she made some phone calls and "pottered around a bit". I think this is where she is lying. Why would you make phone calls when you were trying to charge your phone up before going out? In both these segments of the interviews she looks quite awkward. Her eyes shift away from the interviewers, she scratches at her neck or touches her hair. It is the only time in the interview where she corrects herself.

“I’ve left the room after a couple of minutes …. well not a couple of minutes like a few minutes. I’d had a phone call and just pottered around really” [GB News interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSQ-R92k_8]

“A couple of phone calls, well …. uh … two phone calls had taken place. A couple of text messages and then… Sorry, so when I’d made the first phone calls he’d come into my room on the last phone call and then I’d put the phone down. That’s when we had the conversation about the rabbit.” [This Morning interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpTErTYh34s]

The phrase 'two phone calls had taken place' is really odd - like she is trying to distance herself from the calls.

It would be interesting to know who those phone calls were to, why she had to go up to her bedroom to get some privacy to make them and what her real response was to Archie when he disturbed her.

I also wonder how much police involvement there is here and if that will increase when Archie is (officially) dead.
 
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Sorry, I have a dumb biology question for any med or sciencefags out there.

If The poor lad’s brain stem is dying, necrosis as folks are calling it, how is it breaking down?

My only knowledge of rot comes from bacterial/fungal decomposition, and I suspect that isn’t the case in his brain stem, but I could be wrong? Does anyone know how this breakdown is occurring?

I trust doctors and all that, but sometimes it’s hard to parse med talk to normie talk.
I'm late, but brains have a lot of endogenous enzyme activity (proteases and phospholipases) which break down cells in response to insult, a process called autolysis. It's complicated, but to summarize it in very broad terms, when a brain is injured in some way, whether by hypoxia or mechanical force, cells stop doing their jobs, and a cascade of bad stuff happens, most of it irreversible. Even if you were to remove the brain from a previously healthy person the instant after he died, there would be visible effects caused by the cessation of oxygenation, although they would likely only be observable with mass spectrometry or other sophisticated methods of analysis.

The process by which cells produce energy is called oxidative phosphorylation. I'm going to try not to make this super spergy, but the topic is complex. First, you need to know that a series of interconnected chemical reactions are constantly occurring within every cell in your body. At this very moment, all of your cells are doing loads of work to keep you reading the Farms like a bigot autist. It's amazing. Next time you feel like you aren't accomplishing anything, remember that. These chemical reactions are grouped into "pathways", which just means they happen in sequence and the products of one reaction are used by the next. Each of these reactions is "powered" (catalyzed) by a group of highly specialized proteins called enzymes, each of which react with a specific molecule, referred to as a substrate. Here's a great diagram I found on Wikipedia, of all places, which shows the major metabolic pathways and their connections to one another.

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The two pathways we care about for the purposes of this post are called the citric acid cycle (or Krebs cycle) and oxidative phosphorylation. The citric acid cycle uses a molecule called acetyl coenzyme A (acetyl CoA), produced in other reactions by the breakdown (catabolism) of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins, and creates various amino acid precursors to be used in other pathways. Most importantly for this discussion, the citric acid cycle turns a molecule called NAD+ into another called NADH, in a process called reduction. NADH is called an electron donor, which means it gives up an electron to another molecule, releasing energy. In oxidative phosphorylation, NADH (and another electron donor called FADH) and oxygen are used to make adenosine triphosphate (ATP), which is vitally important because it's the main energy unit of all cells. Every process in the body requires ATP. Without sufficient ATP, cells cannot perform their normal biochemical functions, their structural integrity is compromised, and waste products which would normally be transported through the cell membrane build up, altering the pH inside the cell. This damages the structures (organelles) within the cell, including the lysosomes and the peroxisomes. The lysosome is important because it is like the stomach of the cell: it contains enzymes which are necessary for breaking down other molecules. Normally, the lysosomal membrane keeps these enzymes from being released and destroying the cell, while still allowing molecules from the outside to enter. Peroxisomes are structures containing enzymes which metabolize lipids by a process called beta oxygenation, which produces acetyl CoA, the molecule which is required for the citric acid cycle. When the lysosome or peroxisome is damaged, it releases all of these enzymes which start breaking down the cell itself.

In short, everything your cells do is powered by enzymes which react with substrates. The lack of normal cellular activity means the substrate molecules upon which these enzymes normally work aren't being produced anymore, and the enzymes start to do bad things.

There’s been a known increase in child suicide during the pandemic and preteens are more likely to impulsively commit suicide.

Even when adults commit suicide there’s rarely one singular reason why so I think it’s fucked up to assume it must be because of the mother.
Like you said, young children are more likely to commit suicide impulsively. I think this means that it's more likely that a child would commit suicide for "one singular reason". Basically, they get really upset, then in an instant, they decide to kill themselves, even if they don't actually want to die. Kids don't fully understand the consequences of their actions and lack sufficient coping mechanisms to deal with stressors. Adults tend to view suicide as something they've decided is the only solution to ongoing suffering with no hope of recovery. Younger kids aren't able to think in terms that concrete, particularly when very upset about something. They may not even grasp that when they're dead, they're dead forever.

I understand that it feels bad to think that others blame you as a mother for a child's mental illness, but I think you need to separate your own feelings from this situation. Hollie is very obviously fucked up, and based on her public behavior, I don't think it's a leap to suggest that she might have had an interaction with her son which led him to impulsively hang himself. It has nothing to do with you, anyone else, or any other children.

Maybe I'll come back and sperg moar on brain shit later, I dunno
 
Ahh the good ol' krebs cycle that takes me back. I wish they taught just a little proper biochemistry in the school curriculum. It would be so good for the average person to know that all this goes on. Not to be tested on it and have to label all those tricksy diagrams, just to know that's how your cells work. It's so fundamental to everything else that goes on in the body, it's just a huge modular creation of tiny little chemical machines stuck together like nanobot lego and somehow that thing becomes a whole that is self aware and creates music and art and philosophy. it's beautiful to me. Please continue to sperg.
 
Information is great, but the lack of science education in the general public, and their ability to understand how research and archiving works, almost nullifies this. To say nothing of how media reporting works. I think "peer review" is something lay people don't really get.

Lay people don’t get it, and nor do medical students even.

Mild PL: worked with students in medical schools a long time ago. They thought nothing of citing Wikipedia in essays. They knew fuck all about how to find high quality data in high quality journals.

Letting the general public loose on Pubmed is an even more horrifying thought.
 
If looks could kill her father would be incinerated:
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Six months late, but can someone archive this plz? We’ve lost countless precious Hartley Hooligans footage from lack of archiving, and this Paisley vid is borderline Hooligan epic. Thx.
 
So, quick question for the ones with medicine knowledge:

For what I can gather here and the Jahi case, Brain-dead people still decompose and decay even when their body is forced to function with the ventilator and the feeding tube. That, to be honest surprises me. I was expecting that given the body was doing (mostly) the things a functioning body does and the fact hospitals are mostly sterile environments then decay wouldn't happen under those circumstances. Is because his other cells are also dying and he can't replace them anymore or any other reason?
 
So, quick question for the ones with medicine knowledge:

For what I can gather here and the Jahi case, Brain-dead people still decompose and decay even when their body is forced to function with the ventilator and the feeding tube. That, to be honest surprises me. I was expecting that given the body was doing (mostly) the things a functioning body does and the fact hospitals are mostly sterile environments then decay wouldn't happen under those circumstances. Is because his other cells are also dying and he can't replace them anymore or any other reason?
As far as I understand, yes. It isn't really decay, it's breakdown from poor perfusion to extremities. I think it may be slightly overblown in some cases. The "neuro breath" thing is something you really only hear from nurses of a particular type, and while it always struck me as an exaggeration, there may be something to it.
 
Ahh the good ol' krebs cycle that takes me back. I wish they taught just a little proper biochemistry in the school curriculum. It would be so good for the average person to know that all this goes on. Not to be tested on it and have to label all those tricksy diagrams, just to know that's how your cells work. It's so fundamental to everything else that goes on in the body, it's just a huge modular creation of tiny little chemical machines stuck together like nanobot lego and somehow that thing becomes a whole that is self aware and creates music and art and philosophy. it's beautiful to me. Please continue to sperg.
“The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell” is the extent of what most people seem able to retain. I agree it would be amazing if everyone had a basic understanding of this but alas some of these folks can’t understand when someone is dead
 
So, quick question for the ones with medicine knowledge:

For what I can gather here and the Jahi case, Brain-dead people still decompose and decay even when their body is forced to function with the ventilator and the feeding tube. That, to be honest surprises me. I was expecting that given the body was doing (mostly) the things a functioning body does and the fact hospitals are mostly sterile environments then decay wouldn't happen under those circumstances. Is because his other cells are also dying and he can't replace them anymore or any other reason?
I mean this can happen when you are alive, up and at ‘em. Gangrene is a thing, and diabetics can lose legs from poor blood flow. Hospitals are also ripe for secondary infections. It’s why they don’t like people staying in there for long if they don’t have too. I’m far from a medfag, but a person as sick (or dead) as Archie, given poor blood flow or oxygenation can certainly begin to break down.
 
So, quick question for the ones with medicine knowledge:

For what I can gather here and the Jahi case, Brain-dead people still decompose and decay even when their body is forced to function with the ventilator and the feeding tube. That, to be honest surprises me. I was expecting that given the body was doing (mostly) the things a functioning body does and the fact hospitals are mostly sterile environments then decay wouldn't happen under those circumstances. Is because his other cells are also dying and he can't replace them anymore or any other reason?
The brain makes a ton of various hormones in addition to nerve impulses to signal to all your organs to keep doing what they doing. When those signals stop, the normal processes of the organs begin to stop and, in reponse to a lack of signals, they die off.

Think of how a paraplegic gets stick legs because no nerve signals are being sent, but this can also happen due to a lack of the many hormones the brain makes and can also happen everywhere.
 
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