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It's interesting how much eastern spirituality would actually help these people and yet they don't look into it at all.
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They do but it's mostly the New Agers and it's pretty basic stuff. Like having a Buddah head on your desk.
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The ones that take eastern shit seriously don't end up on the internet being crazy so much. They're just crazy in the real world.
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Out of curiosity I decided to check if there's any Aztec neopagans (or other Mesoamerican neopagans) out there, just because I wonder how they deal with the fact their religion is 100% illegal to practice because of the whole human sacrifice thing (or torturing hummingbirds and snakes like the ruler Ce Acatl Topiltzin suggested as an alternative), use of drugs such as psychedelic mushrooms and peyote, and the danger to the practicioner given the fact you may be required to do things like put thorns through your tongue and other forms of self-mutilation.
Random blog. Be sure to give Tlaloc your dark chocolate, he likes that.
Many gods from Jesus to Odin to Carl Sagan were abandoned before this practicioner "Tlanextic" discovered the true gods of Anahuac.
Tlanextic and other followers of the gods of precolonial Mesoamerica congregate on r/Anahuac, seemingly the most popular hangout for people of this religion. Enlightening discussion includes discussion about the god of the dead Mictlantecuhtli interrupting your Youtube experience.
Kukulkan is stalking this Redditor, wanting to be his friend. He's very understanding about not receiving this Redditor's blood.
Redditor bothered his obsidian mirror only tells the future when he takes mushrooms.
Random blog. Be sure to give Tlaloc your dark chocolate, he likes that.
Many gods from Jesus to Odin to Carl Sagan were abandoned before this practicioner "Tlanextic" discovered the true gods of Anahuac.
Tlanextic and other followers of the gods of precolonial Mesoamerica congregate on r/Anahuac, seemingly the most popular hangout for people of this religion. Enlightening discussion includes discussion about the god of the dead Mictlantecuhtli interrupting your Youtube experience.
Kukulkan is stalking this Redditor, wanting to be his friend. He's very understanding about not receiving this Redditor's blood.
Redditor bothered his obsidian mirror only tells the future when he takes mushrooms.
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I don't speak much Spanish, and my family is mostly German, but I have a strong desire to full Cortez right about now.
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So they worship White people? Based.
One by one they did reverence to Cortes by touching the ground before him with their lips. They said to him: "If the god will deign to hear us, your deputy Motecuhzoma has sent us to render you homage. He has the City of Mexico in his care. He says: 'The god is weary.' "
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The messengers went to the House of the Serpent, and Motecuhzoma arrived. The two captives were then sacrificed before his eyes: their breasts were torn open, and the messengers were sprinkled with their blood. This was done because the messengers had completed a difficult mission: they had seen the gods, their eyes had looked on their faces. They had even conversed with the gods!
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Motecuhzoma had sent the magicians to learn what sort of people the strangers might be, but they were also to see if they could work some charm against them, or do them some mischief, They might be able to direct a harmful wind against them, or cause them to break out in sores, or injure them in some way. Or they might be able to repeat some enchanted word, over and over, that would cause them to fall sick, or die, or return to their own land. The magicians carried out their mission against the Spaniards, but they failed completely. They could not harm them in any way whatever.
Therefore they hastened back to the city, to tell Motecuhzoma what the strangers were like and how invulnerable they were. They said to him: ''Our lord, we are· no match for them: we are mere nothings!" Motecuhzoma at once gave out orders: he commanded the officials and all the chiefs and captains, under the threat of death, to take the utmost pains to learn what the strangers needed and to provide it.
When the Spaniards left their ships and began to march here and were at last on the way, they were served and attended as they came and great honors were done them. They marched forward under protection, and everything possible was done to please them.
[...]
The messengers went to the House of the Serpent, and Motecuhzoma arrived. The two captives were then sacrificed before his eyes: their breasts were torn open, and the messengers were sprinkled with their blood. This was done because the messengers had completed a difficult mission: they had seen the gods, their eyes had looked on their faces. They had even conversed with the gods!
[...]
Motecuhzoma had sent the magicians to learn what sort of people the strangers might be, but they were also to see if they could work some charm against them, or do them some mischief, They might be able to direct a harmful wind against them, or cause them to break out in sores, or injure them in some way. Or they might be able to repeat some enchanted word, over and over, that would cause them to fall sick, or die, or return to their own land. The magicians carried out their mission against the Spaniards, but they failed completely. They could not harm them in any way whatever.
Therefore they hastened back to the city, to tell Motecuhzoma what the strangers were like and how invulnerable they were. They said to him: ''Our lord, we are· no match for them: we are mere nothings!" Motecuhzoma at once gave out orders: he commanded the officials and all the chiefs and captains, under the threat of death, to take the utmost pains to learn what the strangers needed and to provide it.
When the Spaniards left their ships and began to march here and were at last on the way, they were served and attended as they came and great honors were done them. They marched forward under protection, and everything possible was done to please them.
But seriously, why would you worship the loser gods who couldn't even protect a small city like Cholula, much less their capital, the City of the gods,
Tenochtitlan?
The Cholultecas had placed such confidence in their idol Quetzalcoatl that they believed no human power could defeat or harm them. They thought they would be able to vanquish us in a very short time-first, because the Spaniards were so few, and second, because the Tlaxcaltecas had brought them against Cholula by deceit. Their faith in the idol was so complete that they believed it would ravage their enemies with the fire of heaven, and drown them in a vast flood of water.
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But when the Tlaxcaltecas heard the Spaniards call out to St. James, and saw them burn the temples and hurl the idols to the ground, profaning them with great zeal and determination, and when they also saw that the idols were powerless, that no flames fell and no rivers poured out-then they understood the deception and knew it was all falsehoods and lies.
Thus encouraged, they grew so brave that the slaughter and havoc increased beyond imagining. Our friends also became well aware of the Spaniards' courage; they never again plotted any crimes, but were guided by the divine order, which was to serve Our Lord by conquering this land and rescuing it from the power of the devil.
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But when the Tlaxcaltecas heard the Spaniards call out to St. James, and saw them burn the temples and hurl the idols to the ground, profaning them with great zeal and determination, and when they also saw that the idols were powerless, that no flames fell and no rivers poured out-then they understood the deception and knew it was all falsehoods and lies.
Thus encouraged, they grew so brave that the slaughter and havoc increased beyond imagining. Our friends also became well aware of the Spaniards' courage; they never again plotted any crimes, but were guided by the divine order, which was to serve Our Lord by conquering this land and rescuing it from the power of the devil.
-The Broken Spears, quoted from primary sources
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They exist, the serious ones are either very private, very non-English speaking, or both. Outside of Central America, you're most likely to find them among the Danza Azteca performance groups (hope you speak Spanish or modern Nahuatl, and some of them may be closed based on ethnicity/race). They deal with the illegality of major religious rites the same way other religions with banned or outdated practices or inaccessible required holy sites do (not being able to give burnt offerings at the Temple Mount doesn't stop Jews from existing, for example) -- practice the ceremonies that won't get them chucked in jail, and develop ritual substitutes, with sufficient justification to make the situation palatable. Or do illegal stuff and try not to get caught, like a lot of practicioners of Santeria and Voudou have done/still do. (The only groups with any form of Mesoamerican religious relation I know of that have been definitively documented to do this are the Santa Muerte cultists, with their bizarre syncretism of Catholicism, Mictlancihuatl worship, and focus on criminality. Do not look up photos of their religious altars/sacrificial sites if you don't have a serious tolerance for gore -- some are purely symbolic. Some are very much so not. Very fucked up shit.)
Autosacrifice (small blood offerings by drawing your own blood), traditional incense (mainly copal, sometimes tobacco), traditional food offerings (amaranth dough baked treats, pulque, octli, or other traditional liqueurs, chile peppers, and yes, high-purity dark chocolate or cacao beans are traditional), symbolic burnt offerings involving amatl papercrafts, various shells, feathers, artwork, and, in some circles, animal sacrifice (quail or chickens -- quail as human sacrifice substitute goes back 500+ years, before Cortez). Peyote wasn't/isn't common and AFAIK was/is mostly practiced in the present-day Mixteca communities in Oaxaca, or the desert to the north among the smaller nations that used to be collectively referred to as the Chichimeca. Ceremonial drunkenness is the more common traditional form of ritual intoxication in Aztec/Nahua and Mayan religion. There are a few other things out there, like ololiuhqui (a type of psychotropic morning glory, nasty disassociative from what I've read), but you really don't see that getting used outside of deep rural villages where it grows natively.
I haven't really heard of anyone who's performed any of the more extreme forms of autosacrifice, like the thorns through tongue ritual or the like, but you can find people with traditionally-religious tattoos or piercings on occasion. There's some justification for this one -- if you read through the early 15th-16th century sources, those kinds of offerings were by and large performed only by the professional priesthood or aristocracy. There are occasionally rumors of some of this kind of stuff still being done way out in the boonies in Mexico, but never seen it substantiated by any reliable ethnographers.
If you want to read more on modern survivals/revivals in Mexico, I can try to dig up a couple books and papers I've forgotten the titles of later. Otherwise, off the top of my head, "Bonfires of Culture" is a good academic exploration of attempts to preserve Aztec religion in the first few decades after the Conquest I can recommend trying to find a copy to borrow, if you're also interested in how the Aztecs themselves historically tried to deal with the questions you had. Or if you want to know more specifically about traditional offerings, I can give the title of a couple studies specifically on excavations at the Templo Mayor that document all the cool shit they've found in its buried offering caches. Minor PL, but my private library on this topic is better than most US universities' holdings.
I haven't really heard of anyone who's performed any of the more extreme forms of autosacrifice, like the thorns through tongue ritual or the like, but you can find people with traditionally-religious tattoos or piercings on occasion. There's some justification for this one -- if you read through the early 15th-16th century sources, those kinds of offerings were by and large performed only by the professional priesthood or aristocracy. There are occasionally rumors of some of this kind of stuff still being done way out in the boonies in Mexico, but never seen it substantiated by any reliable ethnographers.
If you want to read more on modern survivals/revivals in Mexico, I can try to dig up a couple books and papers I've forgotten the titles of later. Otherwise, off the top of my head, "Bonfires of Culture" is a good academic exploration of attempts to preserve Aztec religion in the first few decades after the Conquest I can recommend trying to find a copy to borrow, if you're also interested in how the Aztecs themselves historically tried to deal with the questions you had. Or if you want to know more specifically about traditional offerings, I can give the title of a couple studies specifically on excavations at the Templo Mayor that document all the cool shit they've found in its buried offering caches. Minor PL, but my private library on this topic is better than most US universities' holdings.
My Mesoamerican anthropology autism had a fucking aneurysm reading that. I could rant for 50 pages about how historically inaccurate practically everything is, but I'm sleepy and no one wants to read that dissertation anyway. I will bitch about one thing though -- paging through that subreddit, and trannyshit infests even that.
Also, lol at that the retard who drew it. That striped flag the jaguar is carrying, with the knotted grass rope and the feather plumes on his head, specifically marks the animal as a sacrifice. The 41% strikes again!
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@SCSI This is a great post and this sort of stuff is really fascinating, thanks for sharing.
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Every time I hear some neo pagan faggotry I get the strong desire to start building pyres.
It's one thing to be a heretic, it's another to be as obnoxious and faggy about it as possible.
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It's like strip mall religion vs. orthodoxy. They like the parts that feel good, which is what draws them to new age crap in general, but the more complex stuff is hard and uncomfortable. It's a lot more difficult to learn, accept, and internalize things like the core concepts of Zen Buddhism and Taoism than it is to give lip service while maintaining your self-perception and protecting your ego.
As an example, it's really hard to accept personal failings, mistakes, etc. (as encouraged by many deeper spiritual practices). This is especially true if you want forgiveness and can't get it; if other people get involved (look at modern cancel culture); or if you have a significant part of your self-identity tied up in being oppressed in some way.
It's much easier to just replace the phrase "Fuck you" with "Namaste" and chug a green drink before going home to enjoy your rose quartz dildo.
They were called "flower wars" because you were trying to gain "hummingbirds".
This person just watched Maya and the Three and got a boner for Lady Micte
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ENJOY, MY FRIENDS!
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Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! It's one of my favorite research topics, so if you ever want moar Aztec facts (or to a lesser extent, Mayan and Teotihuacano), summon me and I'll happily sperg until you yell at me to stop.
Hell yes, an excuse to nerd out some more.
There's another reason, too, for the name -- "flower" (xochitl) is a poetic metaphor and euphemism for blood (eztli), and by extension, sacrifice. Less commonly, serpents (coatl) can also be a metaphor for blood and sacrifice. And both hummingbirds (huitzil) and butterflies (papalotl) were symbolic of the souls of slain warriors who had gone to the House of the Sun after death in battle. (And hummingbirds in particular bring the sacrifice/blood subject right back in again -- their beaks were symbolic of agave thorns, which were the original needle you would prick yourself with to draw blood for autosacrifice.) Adds a whole new layer of meaning to those alternate sacrifices of Ce Acatl Topiltzin's, doesn't it?
Aaaaalso, Ce Acatl Topiltzin is one of the other names of the god Quetzalcoatl, the Precious Feathered Serpent. "Ce Acatl" (One Reed) is his daysign name* (traditionally, your birth name was the day you were blessed shortly after birth, it could be your actual birthday, or within a few days afterwards, your parents would choose the most auspicious one to lock in your fortune), while Topiltzin references his office as high priest. Unsurprisingly, you usually see him called by this name in contexts where Quetzalcoatl is appearing in his role as the archetypical high priest, rather than as the lord of the winds (Ehecatl) or some of his other guises.
*Well, it's one of his daysign names -- as usual, myths are messy. It's the daysign name from one major folklore line, which conflates him with a quasi-mythical/quasi-historical priest-king (and is the same story that sets up the prophecy of his future return that may have been on Motecuhzoma's mind when Cortez arrived (and which is its whole own spergfest I could ramble about if people want more, but tl;dr, the Aztec emperor probably wasn't immediately accepting the Spaniard as a god, but playing a very subtle Machiavellian game when he presented the weird foreigner with Quetzalcoatl's ritual garb and mask... he may have been setting Cortez up to be sacrificed, depending on how he reacted to the accoutrements)). His daysign name from the more purely supernatural, cosmic myths is Nine Wind. (And the number nine is a magic number -- the underworld, Mictlan, had nine layers, and the upper world had either nine or thirteen, depending on which codex you read.)
*Bonus Autism -- Ce Acatl being a name of Quetzalcoatl gets an additional wrinkle when you recall that the actual day One Reed is the start of Toxcatl, the most important festival of Tezcatlipoca -- Quetzalcoatl's brother, partner in creating much of the world, and frequent rival. The gods in this pantheon are all intertwined like a fractal or a spider's web -- wherever you find one's thread, you'll soon have the rest of the cast and crew if you keep following it.
Ok, I'll be good and stop now, before this turns into a book...
Aaaaalso, Ce Acatl Topiltzin is one of the other names of the god Quetzalcoatl, the Precious Feathered Serpent. "Ce Acatl" (One Reed) is his daysign name* (traditionally, your birth name was the day you were blessed shortly after birth, it could be your actual birthday, or within a few days afterwards, your parents would choose the most auspicious one to lock in your fortune), while Topiltzin references his office as high priest. Unsurprisingly, you usually see him called by this name in contexts where Quetzalcoatl is appearing in his role as the archetypical high priest, rather than as the lord of the winds (Ehecatl) or some of his other guises.
*Well, it's one of his daysign names -- as usual, myths are messy. It's the daysign name from one major folklore line, which conflates him with a quasi-mythical/quasi-historical priest-king (and is the same story that sets up the prophecy of his future return that may have been on Motecuhzoma's mind when Cortez arrived (and which is its whole own spergfest I could ramble about if people want more, but tl;dr, the Aztec emperor probably wasn't immediately accepting the Spaniard as a god, but playing a very subtle Machiavellian game when he presented the weird foreigner with Quetzalcoatl's ritual garb and mask... he may have been setting Cortez up to be sacrificed, depending on how he reacted to the accoutrements)). His daysign name from the more purely supernatural, cosmic myths is Nine Wind. (And the number nine is a magic number -- the underworld, Mictlan, had nine layers, and the upper world had either nine or thirteen, depending on which codex you read.)
*Bonus Autism -- Ce Acatl being a name of Quetzalcoatl gets an additional wrinkle when you recall that the actual day One Reed is the start of Toxcatl, the most important festival of Tezcatlipoca -- Quetzalcoatl's brother, partner in creating much of the world, and frequent rival. The gods in this pantheon are all intertwined like a fractal or a spider's web -- wherever you find one's thread, you'll soon have the rest of the cast and crew if you keep following it.
Ok, I'll be good and stop now, before this turns into a book...
<hoards> Thank you! In exchange, have a brief article on an actual documented case of human sacrifice for Santa Muerte (Archive), and a link to a random thesis on the subject of her cult I happened to stumble upon while digging that article link back up.
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For more Aztec spergery there's Aztec by Gary Jennings. I read some of it as an ebook and fell in love, now I'm just waiting for it to arrive from ebay.
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Foil to Fuentes Catholic catboys.
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Back in the 70s and 80s they did. A LOT. That's how you wind up with shit like Bagwan Rashneesh and the like. Some street shitter rolls in and takes advantage of the ignorant looking for something greater than their JC Penny's cardigan and Zenith console TV, next thing you know they've given the kids to relatives and disappeared into an "ashram" where they pour out their children's college funds in the name of enlightenment.
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Is there any reliable info on how many of those hardcore Santa Muerete followers there are? I'm aware of official numbers, but to me wide majority of those people seem like regular people who are just looking for alternatives to Catholocism.
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So many gurus are sex pests that it's actually pretty ridiculous at this point.
"In order to achieve liberation, you must deny yourself and refrain from any material pleasures, but also let me lay this pipe real quick."
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A gentle reminder that taking dick up the ass made you a de facto slave in Viking society. Being male but sexually penetrated made you a half-man, and the only suitable status for a half-man was slave.
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Get these fucking mexilarper gringos outta here, if you really want to please the gods you gotta give them some fresh hearts straight out of a prisoner of war's chest. None of that 1$ candle shit.
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Not really, but that's only because the ones that are that way tend to be smart about it. They aren't going to go blabbing to researchers or the random reporter who stumbled in from Univision.
So if you check #Anahuac on TikTok, it's all school stuff (not flooded like reddit, apparently), but if you check things like #tlaloc and #mictlantecuhtli...