Are we ever going to find genuine sanity in society again? - Did 2014 really break us?

[snailslime]

The trouble with all those guys is they're Kike puppets.

really making your movement look amazing there

 

[Ser Prize]

I think we're well and truly in for a massive western world collapse. There's too many parallels to the late roman empire and weimar germany to ignore.

 

[Realistic]

I believe that making the internet yet another platform to make money and giving anybody fame and power through the internet is what's killing society.

back then you didn't have people who were insane. you didn't have the influencers who got famous over just being active on the internet and you didn't have hot topic issues.

nowadays we have people who can basically say anything, believe in a pointless internet currency system and get fame within the snap of a finger.

there's also hot button issues that powerful people want them to focus about to distract from the real issues.

simply put, it's a mess

i don't think we can find sanity since that threshold has been crossed. i don't think we can even change things. i just think things are going to get worse to the point where we die out as a species.

all because money grubbing social media and insane people were normalized.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

The trouble with all those guys is they're Kike puppets.

No, the true trouble with them is that they're old and out of touch. All white-haired and wrinkly, don't know how to solve our modern problems and don't care.

 

[Wormy]

The trouble with all those guys is they're Kike puppets.

Rather be a Kike puppet than Christian one.

 

[Secret Asshole]

No, I've said it before and I'll say it again:

2008 was the breaking point for the elites. Its when everything changed. Until then, hardcore progressivism was treated as a laughing stock. Stephen Colbert brought on people named 'Ketchup' and her idiot boyfriend who were basically destroying 'Occupy Wallstreet'. This was intentional. Colbert is just a tool of the elites so it doesn't matter he was mocking them. He platformed them.

The crash of 2008 genuinely scared the elites that French Revolution Boogaloo Part 2 was about to happen. That they were terrified people would murder them en masse (they should have). So what they did was, pretty fucking brilliant actually. They gave the most narcissistic, self-centered, egotistical people a voice: liberal progressives. People who believe in nothing and will change with the crowd. Functionally, liberal progressives are drug addicts. The subsist on a drug which cannot be banned, regulated or limited: Dopamine. They get a dopamine hit every time they mob someone on social media, destroy someone's life, directed to defend a 'cause', no matter how illogical it may be.

The elites championed identity politics, an age-old tool to divide the lower classes. While this tool generally works for awhile, it is not eternal. In the feudal age, it lead to basically the royalty having a knife put to their throat and forced to sign the Magna Carta or die. In the renaissance, there was the French Revolution and the Unification Italy, destroying the influence of the papacy and the reclaiming of all the papal states, limiting the pope to just Vatican City. In the industrial age, there were massive worker strikes and violence between workers and management.

It is a very succinctly designed insanity, meant to prevent this: No war but class war. That's as simple as it gets. This is not designed to make sense. It is designed to gaslight, confuse and tear people apart. Look at some of the articles coming out that 'Unionization will destroy diversity and trans rights'. That's what this is all about. Identity politics have been mislabeled as cultural warfare. Its not cultural warfare. Its class warfare. The things they destroy culturally are unifiers: Patriotism (not Jingoism, most retards can't understand the difference), the selling out of the media, the destruction of anything meaningful but what they want, the restriction of speech socially, labelling opponents as bigots and encouraging them to get fired.

Diversity hires? You see, you never know if someone a company hired was for their talent or another attribute. Which creates jealousy, suspicion and division in the workplace. It also makes the person who was hired extremely defensive, and actually might lower self-esteem and question their own talents. Therefore, this prevents unionization and uniting of the workers of that company.

The culture war isn't about culture. The elites ultimately do not care what culture is what. The whole thing is a stand-alone complex: These people and companies came to the realization, separately, in isolation, that liberal progressives were the best soldiers for economic warfare. I mean its perfect. Just think about it:

1) They have no meaningful reality, and their beliefs shift as often as their clothes. This means they can constantly gaslight you and have no need to make any coherent sense. If you don't defend the fashionable belief, hundreds, maybe thousands of deranged addicts will ruin your life.

2) They worship the corporate infrastructure. They consume and consume and consume. Anything that is thrown at them, without thought. They will actually go out of their way to defend corporations that make hundreds of billions of dollars, painting the enemy as bigots, which is the highest of crimes to a liberal progressive. Does it matter that Disney supports China and the systematic rape, slaughter and genocide of a minority Muslim population? No. Does it matter that cobalt and lithium are some of the two most environmentally destructive mining operations on the planet? No. Does it matter that corporations actively make their products break down after a certain period of time (planned obsolescence) forcing you to buy more and more, thereby creating more dangerously toxic waste than any point in history? No. They only care if you said nigger on the internet. That is the greatest crime. Because all of those other problems don't reward them with a hit.

3) The mob mentality basically forces those in disagreement into isolation. How many can publicly come out against the main narrative without their lives being destroyed, threatened with violence or put on a list? Who needs brown shirts when you have people on Twitter hunting you down for wrong-think. Why even bother speaking out? It puts your job, your life and your family in danger. With no tangible benefit, because unless your job supports you (lol, good luck, no), you're fucked. The only people who can stand up to the mob are the excessively wealthy or those independent enough, and it is very easy to paint a few targets as kooks or right-wing Nazis to discredit them.

4) The priority of nebulous feelings over reality ensures that the status quo never, ever changes. They want the same structure, only with a different race in charge. Which is fundamentally no different than white people in charge. The same class warfare will go on, there will be the same policies in place. Only now you have a class that enacts those policies, but can just shout you down as racist if you dare question their authority or money.

Its really the perfect vehicle for class warfare. You are cloaking yourself in righteousness, and everyone not on your side is evil. In reality, these are heroin addicts looking for their next fix and they don't care how they get it. All you need to do is point them in a direction and they'll just go.

The thing about this is, though, these systems inevitably collapse. You cannot have 1% of a society owning 40% of the wealth. Because that wealth stagnates. Stagnant wealth leads to an increased money supply. Increased money supply leads to inflation. And as we've seen, the wealthy are not willing to part with their own bonuses, perks and cash to drive up wages. So eventually there comes a point where the entire house of cards burns to the ground, because the only people spending money are the 99%, who don't have enough wealth to offset the holdings of the 1% by decreasing the money supply.

This entire 'insane' world is by design, to force you into conflict so that there is no economic unity. And just like in reality, you can never trust a drug addict. But the system is based on massive theft. A system based on theft, wealth extraction and stagnant wages cannot survive forever. They just want it to survive long enough so they can escape with their cash. Typically though, the collapse comes rapidly and everyone is caught in it. This has happened again and again and again, and those that want to escape it will have already cashed out. Those still in are so old they'll be dead soon anyway, those too stupid and arrogant thinking that they can prop up a system decaying under their feet or people so greedy they want every last red cent before they run off.

 

[Kenya Jones]

@Secret Asshole I think you might have a few screws loose.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

@Secret Asshole I think you might have a few screws loose.

I would have thought half of the shit that's happened since 2021 was too crazy to happen just before it happened. Let's give it a few months and then see if he's got a few screws loose...

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The world may get more sane someday.

But, like I said in the coof thread:

I like the fantasy of getting in my own spacecraft and flying away from this nuthouse of a world where evil has too much power.

(reminds me of that "Fly Away" song by Lenny Kravitz)

 

[Secret Asshole]

@Secret Asshole I think you might have a few screws loose.

Its not a conspiracy, like I said many a time, its just a stand alone complex. A bunch of cunts all individually came to the exact same conclusion independently. These sort of people would NEVER cooperate with each other. It just makes sense to do if you're a greedy cunt and don't want the people to lynch you. We're talking about sociopaths with no ideology or morality other than number go up.

The term 'white' was actually invented due to social Darwinism, during the industrial revolution when robber barons had to justify their horrible fucking treatment of workers dying horrible deaths, they invented racial science to explain their position in society and somehow assuage their conscience that it was 'natural' for them to be at the top.

What do you think the ESG (Environmental, Social Justice, Governance) ratings of corporations created by Larry Fink, a man who single handedly controls $1 trillion dollars and has turned the housing market into rental hell and is probably a source of massive human misery and destruction? Why do you think he did that? (By the way, Nestle has a high ESG score even though the CEO has said multiple times clean water is not a human right. You know, something that is necessary to survive). Because he is obsessed with finding the 'social good' of corporations (lol there isn't any).

Rich people and elites are extremely fucked up. This has been the pattern throughout history. There is no political motive. Its only about one thing: money.

EDIT:
Also look at the slate of articles coming out saying that unionization would 'destroy diversity' and 'progressive initiatives'. I'm the crazy one? This world is fucking crazy.

 

[Afinepickle]

The thing about this is, though, these systems inevitably collapse.

That's the one thing in your whole screed that I disagree with. I don't think it's going to collapse anytime soon this time around, or ever as a matter of fact, this is a forever scenario.

Historically these patterns fell apart due to combinations of competing interests with one group or another attempting to leverage the situation over the other in one way or another and people just flat out getting 'sick of it' so to speak. The thing is the "information age" has changed the playing field so drastically that these elements are no longer eventualities but can be effectively avoided forever. The mass brainwashing/weaponization of the progressive liberal agenda or lack there of beyond the dopamine hits of dogpiling wrongthink and hyping themselves up over new product can go on forever thanks to the internet.

The powers in control/The Elites/WEF/Teh j00s/Whatever the fuck you want to call them may all be greedy sociopaths but they're intelligent enough to realize the power presented to them through the tech industry's complete control over information and are also intelligent enough to realize that by pooling their respective spheres of influence together they can not only control the flow of information but also drown out any potential counter-flow in a sheer divulge of irrelevance. 99% of the human race will stop giving a shit the instant something becomes too hard or inconvenient to seek out and now, again thanks to the internet and our cultural reliance on it as a source of information, anything contrary to the accepted narrative is easier than ever to simply bury underneath such a colossal pile of shit that anyone except the most autistic and batshit among us will give up long before they've dug through a tenth of it.

This creates a situation where, unlike the past, the powers in control can through their combined spheres of influence drown out ALL voices of opposition while simultaneously making submission to the narrative present all the rewards. It's not in their best interest to disrupt this as there is nothing for any of the elites to gain by moving into each other's sphere's of influence and this will never change nor is it in any of the regular people of the world's best interest to resist or challenge their control because going against the narrative offers no tangible benefit and that will also never change.

In short I think we're actually just plain fucked. The typical avenues by which collapse and rebirth have happened historically have been circumvented entirely by our present day technological process and the status quo we're looking at right here and right now is simply just never going to actually end. This is our future. Forever.

Outside of something truly drastic and out of left field happening and I'm talking like meteor crashing into the earth level type shit this is the cultural reality wagon we're going to be hitched to for the rest of our species existence.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

I'm not blackpilled, but I do think that we're heading for a new dark ages. It's just the inevitable decline.
I'm a massive fan of Henry Miller, and when I read this description of his philosophy, I absolutely related to it.

Our civilization was destined to be swept away and replaced by something so different that we should scarcely regard it as human — a prospect that did not bother him, he said. And some such outlook is implicit throughout his work. Everywhere there is the sense of the approaching cataclysm, and almost everywhere the implied belief that it doesn't matter.

 

[Secret Asshole]

That's the one thing in your whole screed that I disagree with. I don't think it's going to collapse anytime soon this time around, or ever as a matter of fact, this is a forever scenario.

Historically these patterns fell apart due to combinations of competing interests with one group or another attempting to leverage the situation over the other in one way or another and people just flat out getting 'sick of it' so to speak. The thing is the "information age" has changed the playing field so drastically that these elements are no longer eventualities but can be effectively avoided forever. The mass brainwashing/weaponization of the progressive liberal agenda or lack there of beyond the dopamine hits of dogpiling wrongthink and hyping themselves up over new product can go on forever thanks to the internet.

The powers in control/The Elites/WEF/Teh j00s/Whatever the fuck you want to call them may all be greedy sociopaths but they're intelligent enough to realize the power presented to them through the tech industry's complete control over information and are also intelligent enough to realize that by pooling their respective spheres of influence together they can not only control the flow of information but also drown out any potential counter-flow in a sheer divulge of irrelevance. 99% of the human race will stop giving a shit the instant something becomes too hard or inconvenient to seek out and now, again thanks to the internet and our cultural reliance on it as a source of information, anything contrary to the accepted narrative is easier than ever to simply bury underneath such a colossal pile of shit that anyone except the most autistic and batshit among us will give up long before they've dug through a tenth of it.

This creates a situation where, unlike the past, the powers in control can through their combined spheres of influence drown out ALL voices of opposition while simultaneously making submission to the narrative present all the rewards. It's not in their best interest to disrupt this as there is nothing for any of the elites to gain by moving into each other's sphere's of influence and this will never change nor is it in any of the regular people of the world's best interest to resist or challenge their control because going against the narrative offers no tangible benefit and that will also never change.

In short I think we're actually just plain fucked. The typical avenues by which collapse and rebirth have happened historically have been circumvented entirely by our present day technological process and the status quo we're looking at right here and right now is simply just never going to actually end. This is our future. Forever.

Outside of something truly drastic and out of left field happening and I'm talking like meteor crashing into the earth level type shit this is the cultural reality wagon we're going to be hitched to for the rest of our species existence.

There is only one constant in the universe: entropy. Everything ends.

Once more, it is the height of human arrogance to believe that the systems we create can last forever. To those trapped in systems like these, it must have seemed eternal as well. You cannot discount the randomness of the universe.

The black plague ended feudalism. We still have other non-western interests rising. You also cannot discount human competence or incompetence. Nothing is static, because nature itself abhors stagnation. Anything stagnant dies. And this system is stagnating.

Now how that stagnation ends is anyone's guess, but late stage capitalism is corroding the foundations of our societies and replacing it with sand.

Wages cannot remain this low while the wealthy continue to enrich themselves. It is not possible. This leads to the inflation we are seeing now. The wealthy horde the money supply and it goes to generational wealth, which is unspent. The money we printed went mostly to wealthy individuals and is still in the supply. It was not burned off by being spent, taxed or anything else.

The stimulus checks are not the problem because people burned through that money to survive. However, the money sent to the wealthy still stands. Remember when the banks got bailed out in 2008, they paid themselves, hoarded the money like misers and exacerbated the pain normal people felt. They also contributed to the stagnation and inflation we are seeing now. In the end, this sort of inflation was inevitable, and the fed completely fucked up like it always does by saturating the money supply and praying for the 10,000th time the rich will spend. Shocker, they didn't. Because nobody can take responsibility anymore, they blame workers for saving too much and employers from paying too much, as if they makes any fucking sense when wages are down 3%.

The wealthy are not smart. Many did not earn their money or believe that tech can solve everything. They don't understand people and are implementing systems where crumbs will no longer sustain the populace.

Most people I know have become more cutthroat and the whole 'good of mankind' for science is thrown out the window. There's no unifying culture and people are losing hope. It's a system that cannot last.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

It's difficult to say yes or no based on historical parallels. The technological world we live in now allows for far different possibilities than the repeated rhymes of history. I've always believed that information itself was never meant to be consumed at the rates or volumes that we consume it today, but information is an incredibly powerful tool and it has made a great deal of people wiser about the reality of how society works and how it's run. It is my opinion that as long as we have the global internet, we'll never return to normal human sanity as we knew it. There is simply too much information, too many narratives, and so many lies. It's difficult to parse and make sense of and it torments the mind to not understand such grand ideas, especially when contradictory or opposing information is available.

A lot of people - perhaps even the majority of people - need to be taught to be more even tempered. People need emotional management skills. They need to learn to process information in a healthy and measured way. It's so bloody easy to jump off the deep end into the extreme right or extreme left rhetoric and become radicalized and it happens quickly to people who can't temper their expectations or views of the world. I don't know when we decided that the internet was the end-all-be-all of all expertise and knowledge but that's where we are, and we never should have arrived at this point.

On another thread, someone mentioned that both Gen X and older as well as zoomers and younger have no fucking clue how computers work. They don't understand file systems, fundamental web programming, how a harddrive works, basic troubleshooting - all of this shit that people like you and me  had to learn in order to use a computer. In my opinion, it's these groups that don't understand even a fraction of how the internet and computers work that have poisoned it. They really don't understand how precarious it all is and how easily it can be flipped over on its head, and it's part of the reason we can never be sane again. TPTB want to treat the internet like it's another nation state that needs to be controlled and corralled when it's not even physical in nature.

I think if we let go of the internet a bit, realised the internet is actually quite fucking meaningless unless you give it meaning, and teach people to not be so reactive to every little thing then maybe we'd get some sanity back. Shit was better when normies weren't talking about the internet all day.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

hey @Secret Asshole (post too long to quote)

Once more, it is the height of human arrogance to believe that the systems we create can last forever.

That can be a good thing. Can you imagine if Current Year never ended, like in the satire I wrote?

What if Current Year never ends?

Imagine that world in 3020:

Though people kept predicting the end of the world, it never ended. Climate change happened, but any effects were exaggerated. But disasters still happen on a local scale. There's still doomsday predictions too. Pretty much for every day. They all fail.

The whole world is one globalized strip mall. Everyone is fat and androgynous, and covered in tattoos. Everything is ridiculously overpriced, food is nothing but science lab chemicals, and pretty much no one lives in a house. Permanent work is ancient history.

"Woke" has become so commonplace, it's the natural way of thinking -- by 3020, the memory of Trump has eclipsed Hitler as the new Super Hitler. Having any fun has become very offensive.

Oil reserves ran dry, but fossil fuels are still used from other sources, such as shale. There's still no flying cars, and the electric car is still a novelty. Space travel is only done by little robots and satellites, and air travel is almost gone.

While technology has become ridiculously invasive and pervasive with brain-computer interfaces, the "Singularity" or an AI takeover never happened. Every single byte sent over the internet is tracked. Oh yeah, and everyone speaks English, which doesn't change much because of autocorrect. Aside from new buzzwords, which are coined ceaselessly.

And Kiwi Farms is somehow still around, laughing at it all.

Part 2:

In the dark, broken, hopeless world of 3020 where Current Year never ended, conducting business and interacting in person has more or less become a relic of the past. Public events such as concerts and festivals are as ancient as trade caravans. All restaurants are take-out only. Kids normally no longer attend school in person. Pretty much all interactions are done through screens and virtual reality -- all of it regulated and censored by big tech. "Social distancing" is now as natural as handshakes were before the endless era of Current Year.

All that was because of repeated pandemic scares over the past 1000 years, starting with the Coronavirus panic of 2020. Eventually, government decided the safest approach was permanent lockdown.

Oh yeah, and toilet paper is worth its' weight in gold.

 

[Jason Wynn]

I, as a white man, wipe my ass with “equity”, I wipe my ass with what fags, Kikes, niggers, troons, and feminists thinks is important.

If we want to play the identity politics game, we’ll my identity is white man and I’m for my team.

The only way sanity is going to return to the world is if people accept white men are who should naturally be in charge of planet Earth.

You’re a very strange person. I find myself almost agreeing with you on most things, then you have to take it one step further and go full retard. I’m honestly not sure anymore if you’re just shitposting or if you really are that stupid.

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

I have a theory(?) I’m toying with that the marketing funnel has been applied to politics. Which might explain some of the extremism - though not all.

 

[american_amadan]

What Secret Asshole said is absolutely correct, but I think in the current timeframe there's a lot that I (and many others don't understand). Why are the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot so badly? It's clear the GOP takes back control of the legislature this fall. It seems like they are the accelerators at this point. Pride month, calling everything racist, and the million other things they want to push are now being met with genuine pushback. I sat in on a law school class a few months ago, it's way less progressive than I thought it would be, maybe less than what I saw 10 years ago when I was a student. All different types of people are pissed off at the current state of the global economy and the western worlds blown lead.

I think were in the early stages of a historic pushback on globalization. Remember: the White male vote was the only vote that grew against Trump in 2020. Every other sex and race/ethnicity voted for Trump in higher numbers.

Coming out of this "pandemic" is going to be a major turning point. I think that's why the elites and the media continue to push it. Once the White guy, Black guy and single mom start talking about how ridiculous 6 dollars for a gallon of gas is, and how they barely paid their food or electric bill last month, the tides will start to turn.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Yes: After the collapse of Russia and China

 

[Cool Dog]

But in regards to the media, it was probably worse in the 60's and 70's. It allowed stuff like JFK's assassination getting swept under the rug. Something like that is impossible today.

Bruh shit its constantly being memoryholed now and normalfags dont even care, see for example the las vegas shooter:

Now this is something you couldnt pull back then because people werent surrounded by distractions like today, their attention spans destroyed at the synaptic level to the point that they cant even watch a proper documentary anymore and can only focus on 2-min clips like this one, if at all

Back in the 60s if a shooting like this happened it would have been impossible to cover up, too many deaths, too many witnesses, too many people with nothing to do but look for answers. Nowadays people just scream into the online bottomless pit until no likes come out so they move to something else

DONT THINK ABOUT CURRENT EVENT JUST FORGET THEN TALK WHEN UPCOMING EVENT HAPPENS

Alternatively, expecting non-stop status quo after people can't afford gas or groceries is pretty ridiculous imo. Some doomers actually WANT things to get worse. That's part of /pol/'s official ridiculous political narrative now. That the only thing you have to look forward to is collapse and you should want it instead of improvements, which is good proof these people are LARPing losers without loved ones.

The idea history is all in one direction is ridiculous and not expecting changes in course at some point is not justified. The tranny stuff is absolutely a fad that will run out of gas at some point. That's not cope, it's absolutely a new age fashion trend that invovles body modification. Of course it's not going to be en vogue forever esepcially when more people have buyer's remorse.

Your first mistake is assuming the good times could last forever when history its full of empires falling apart, big countries going into a dead spiral and never regaining their glory

If you went to the 17th century and told some european that the spanish empire would in just 300 years fall to the sad sack of shit that were the english colonies in the americas they would laugh at your face

Wait why go that far back? I bet if you told someone in 2000 that the yanks would lose against a bunch of goat fuckers with rusty AKs after 2 whole decades of fighting they would think you're off your meds

And yet it happened, it just did

The current war with ukraine is showing the cracks around The System, how everything was just hold together with spit. At some point in history empires just cant keep going, cant reinvent themselves anymore, they become depleted, their population too atomized, their society too decadent

Troons and gender/race shit is just smoke and mirrors to keep the normalfags from looking up from their phones, to keep them afraid of noticing things else they could get cancelled

You wouldnt believe how bad things have to get for people to finally rise up, and still its not a given, plenty of nations have gone down not with a bang and the people simply went into self preservation mode trying to save themselves rather than the homeland

I see far more yanks asking "how do I get a passport and get out of here" than "how we fix this shit"