Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

Who is going to get hit the hardest?

  • North America

  • South America

  • Asia

  • Europe

  • Australia

  • Africa

  • The Middle East

  • Everyone's fucked

  • Nothing will happen


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Declines are "unexpected" because they want to leave you holding the bag.
You can tell they're evil and all of this is deliberate, because all of these "experts" and "analysts" would have long since lost their jobs from their sheer incompetence ages ago if their job wasn't to be always "stunned" by reality. Like come on, a bunch of randos on a Bosnian cyberbowling forum are better at predicting the economy than these alleged "experts", that only makes sense when the "experts" are meant to be deliberately wrong.
 
You can tell they're evil and all of this is deliberate, because all of these "experts" and "analysts" would have long since lost their jobs from their sheer incompetence ages ago if their job wasn't to be always "stunned" by reality. Like come on, a bunch of randos on a Bosnian cyberbowling forum are better at predicting the economy than these alleged "experts", that only makes sense when the "experts" are meant to be deliberately wrong.
My favorite example of this is Jim Cramer, actually. You'll get the brainlets on r/wallstreetbets joking that he's literally always wrong and how does this joker still have a job, etc etc. But actually Cramer is awesome at his job: Cramer's job isn't to give his listeners sound investment decisions, it's to create bagholders so his over-leveraged owners can exit.
 
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My favorite example of this is Jim Cramer, actually. You'll get the brainlets on r/wallstreetbets joking that he's literally always wrong and how does this joker still have a job, etc etc. But actually Cramer is awesome at his job: Cramer's job isn't to give his listeners sound investment decisions, it's to create bagholders so his over-leveraged owners can exit.
You know we're fucked when Paul Krugman is predicting everything will be sunshine, rainbows, and blowjobs.
 
You can tell they're evil and all of this is deliberate, because all of these "experts" and "analysts" would have long since lost their jobs from their sheer incompetence ages ago if their job wasn't to be always "stunned" by reality. Like come on, a bunch of randos on a Bosnian cyberbowling forum are better at predicting the economy than these alleged "experts", that only makes sense when the "experts" are meant to be deliberately wrong.
Just remember these people are like government workers, unaccountable and hold others in complete contempt.
In the first months of the coronavirus pandemic, a quarter of employees at the federal government's top health agency failed to even check their emails as they worked remotely, according to internal documents obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

An estimated 25 percent of Department of Health and Human Services employees neglected to log on to the agency's software suite, which includes their email, work files, video conference calls, and other applications needed to perform remote work, according to the internal documents. The report, commissioned by then-HHS chief of staff Brian Harrison, measured employees' inactivity on a day-to-day basis between March 2020 and December 2020. The documents, portions of which were leaked by a whistleblower to the Functional Government Initiative and reviewed by the Free Beacon, state that all HHS employees had secure access to these accounts to work remotely.
At this stage, bringing back tar and feathers may be too lenient.
 
This smells a little too rational to me. Wouldn’t people want to hold onto their ‘dream home’ until the bitter end?
How are people not understanding that many of these people were making $150-200k a year doing meme jobs while most of the workforce is still sweating at $10-$15 an hour. If companies cease to be profitable and they have massive layoffs, how are they going to pay an 8k a month mortgage when their buffer job is barely paying 2K?

Yeah an 8k a month mortgage seemed reasonable to them when they were paying just as much for their inner city apartment. But most of them don’t have the required emergency fund to cover six months to a year of unemployment or maybe several years of underemployment. Such an emergency fund should probably be in the low to mid six figures. I would bet most aren’t holding more than 30k liquid outside of their retirement accounts.

They will sell.
 
They will sell.
Except if home values drop due to elevated rates and the recession and they are now underwater and can't sell. They have to walk away and eat the costs involved there while trying to find a place to rent. A lot of people are potentially about to get turbofucked.

Oh, and then to add insult to injury, when the Fed turns on the tap again, home values will jump back up and rates will drop but they won't be in a position to buy a new place. America: just a never-ending series of economic rug pulls.
 
Oh, and then to add insult to injury, when the Fed turns on the tap again, home values will jump back up and rates will drop but they won't be in a position to buy a new place. America: just a never-ending series of economic rug pulls.
Exactly. By the time their credit scores are fixed it will be just in time for the next boom.
 
So I'm watching Sunday news and apparently a new wind farm, Vineyard Winds, is gonna be built offshore near Martha's Vineyard. Let me tell you a story about another wind farm. This one wasn't even partially submerged ffs.

About 20-ish? years ago, there was a huge wind farm that was going up in Texas. A small pole manufacturer was spun off of an enterprise in Edmond, OK that was located near the Port of Catoosa in Claremore, OK to receive steel to create the poles for the wind farm. Brought in a brake press from Germany for the job. Made millions upon millions of dollars.

Guess what happened to the CEO of that offshoot company?


He was caught embezzling millions. He had a lavish office and spent a lot of money on custom T-shirts and other branded products for the company, limos to get the employees to Edmond for company get-togethers, and mandatory company outings in Tulsa.

Wind farms are nothing but money laundering. If Solyndra and the aforementioned company don't prove shining examples of the corruption, I don't know what does. What a great time to bilk more money!!!

(Mods move to a more appropriate forum if necessary, didn't know where it should go lol)
 
How are people not understanding that many of these people were making $150-200k a year doing meme jobs while most of the workforce is still sweating at $10-$15 an hour. If companies cease to be profitable and they have massive layoffs, how are they going to pay an 8k a month mortgage when their buffer job is barely paying 2K?

Mean income in the USA is about $25 an hour. If you're making under $15, you work in food service or retail, and not even a shift manager, which is definitely not "most" jobs. That's what young people do as first jobs. An $8K mortgage means you borrowed well over a million dollars to buy a house. It's true, 20-year-olds who drop fries into grease don't buy million-dollar houses.

There is a lot wrong with the economy right now, but you seem like you're completely out of touch with what jobs and houses are like in America.
 
Mean income in the USA is about $25 an hour. If you're making under $15, you work in food service or retail, and not even a shift manager, which is definitely not "most" jobs. That's what young people do as first jobs. An $8K mortgage means you borrowed well over a million dollars to buy a house. It's true, 20-year-olds who drop fries into grease don't buy million-dollar houses.

There is a lot wrong with the economy right now, but you seem like you're completely out of touch with what jobs and houses are like in America.
I think he's saying they're buying million dollar homes while working for Twitter, but are going to be laid off and working at McDonalds soon.
 
I think he's saying they're buying million dollar homes while working for Twitter, but are going to be laid off and working at McDonalds soon.
He said "most" of the workforce is at $10-15 an hour. Median weekly income for men is about $1100, and for women about $900. You'd have to have two jobs working 60 hours a week just to hit the women's median; "most" people are not doing that. IME, people who think the majority of workers are in food service or retail tend to be young and in social circles where that's true, and forget that most workers are older than 30.

Either that, or they're very rich people who think $1m for a house is cheap and think their IT people make, oh, I don't know, is it $12 an hour? Good God, what did you say we're paying them? Smithers, release the hounds!

$8K a month means your income is minimum $160K. That's if you just pay your mortage, your taxes, use photosynthesis to survive, and walk everywhere. $8K is reasonable when your take-home is $24K per month, meaning your pre-tax income is $40K per month. This means your salary is close to a half million a year, and that is not the average meme work at Twitter. FAANGS pay that to senior engineers. The low-level grunts are overpaid, but they're not making half a mil. Not coincidentally, the few people I know bought homes for over $1m are senior personnel at FAANGs.
 
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Except if home values drop due to elevated rates and the recession and they are now underwater and can't sell. They have to walk away and eat the costs involved there while trying to find a place to rent. A lot of people are potentially about to get turbofucked.

Oh, and then to add insult to injury, when the Fed turns on the tap again, home values will jump back up and rates will drop but they won't be in a position to buy a new place. America: just a never-ending series of economic rug pulls.
The only good part of this is the people about to be most fucked are the ones who richly deserve it. Upper middle class urban yuppies doing "consulting", "human resources management", "social engagement" and other such nonsense.
 
The only good part of this is the people about to be most fucked are the ones who richly deserve it. Upper middle class urban yuppies doing "consulting", "human resources management", "social engagement" and other such nonsense.
Small business owner absolutely gonna get demolished once again. I for one, hail our corporate overlords.
 
Wind farms are nothing but money laundering. If Solyndra and the aforementioned company don't prove shining examples of the corruption, I don't know what does. What a great time to bilk more money!!!
No, you don't understand, Enron is proof the entire electricity sector is nothing but a scam! LMAO what a dumb take you have.
 
Mean income in the USA is about $25 an hour. If you're making under $15, you work in food service or retail, and not even a shift manager, which is definitely not "most" jobs. That's what young people do as first jobs.
So exactly the types of jobs people are going to have to pick up as a buffer job when their overpaid “meme job” gets laid off?

Since you’re all about averages… why don’t you look up what the average age for a person making $10-$15 an hour is? Pro-tip: it’s not anywhere close to what you would think as a “young person” is.

An $8K mortgage means you borrowed well over a million dollars to buy a house.
And??? Do you have any idea what a million dollars gets for a house in the hot markets we are talking about?


But you’re half right, these are edge cases and a slight exaggeration, but I was thinking more in line of the 600-800k range, which is around the feeding frenzy we saw in the last few years in hot real estate markets driving up the national average.

Which with P&I, taxes, insurance and PMI can put you north of about 6k a month. Those mortgage calculators tend to try and hide the additional fees and costs associated with a mortgage. And on top of that, a lot of homebuyers are using high interest secondary loans to pay their closing costs and down payment. Look it up.

The original point still stands that when these new homebuyers get laid off they are not going to be anywhere near paying off their mortgage, even at $25 an hour!

They will sell.
 
So exactly the types of jobs people are going to have to pick up as a buffer job when their overpaid “meme job” gets laid off?

Since you’re all about averages… why don’t you look up what the average age for a person making $10-$15 an hour is? Pro-tip: it’s not anywhere close to what you would think as a “young person” is.


And??? Do you have any idea what a million dollars gets for a house in the hot markets we are talking about?


But you’re half right, these are edge cases and a slight exaggeration, but I was thinking more in line of the 600-800k range, which is around the feeding frenzy we saw in the last few years in hot real estate markets driving up the national average.

Which with P&I, taxes, insurance and PMI can put you north of about 6k a month. Those mortgage calculators tend to try and hide the additional fees and costs associated with a mortgage. And on top of that, a lot of homebuyers are using high interest secondary loans to pay their closing costs and down payment. Look it up.

The original point still stands that when these new homebuyers get laid off they are not going to be anywhere near paying off their mortgage, even at $25 an hour!

They will sell.
While he's a sperg and missing the point, you have to be using old data. In my cheap, poor home town McDonalds starts at 14 now. I've seen it as high as 17 at the low end of their spread.
And I HAVE a loan on land that cost $600k. It costs me about $3500 a month at the old rates and only a 20 year loan. I can't imagine that hitting above $5k even at new rates for 30 years.
You're both exaggerating in your own favor a bit.
 
While he's a sperg and missing the point, you have to be using old data. In my cheap, poor home town McDonalds starts at 14 now. I've seen it as high as 17 at the low end of their spread.
And I HAVE a loan on land that cost $600k. It costs me about $3500 a month at the old rates and only a 20 year loan. I can't imagine that hitting above $5k even at new rates for 30 years.
You're both exaggerating in your own favor a bit.
Not sure if this is what you're suggeseting, but, someone making $14, or even $17, cannot afford a $3500/month mortgage. Maybe if they have two incomes (man + wife) or multiple roommates. $15 is like $2200 takehome a month, isn't it? That means your safe mortgage range is like $1200 or so?

Edit: I just checked, the only house in my area that would be mortgageable on a $15/hr job would be literally the cheapest shack in town. Literally everything else is over $1200 a month estimate, and that's before the hidden fees and shit.


But speaking of Mortgages, hit up the real estate sites. My parents' area went from about 25 listings to almost 200 in the past week. Zillow is hilarious. "1 day on market" "3 days on market" "price cut 30,000" "2 days on market" etc etc.

The housing market is officially in collapse. And we haven't even hit the second rate hike of the year. And they're talking about doing it 3 or 4 times this year, AT LEAST.
 
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