The Final Fantasy Thread

[cream pie]

I'm going to have to disagree. Nomura is the one that came up with the pivotal idea to kill Aerith.

Do you have a source? Not saying I don't believe you, but I recall reading last that Sakaguchi was the one who had that idea, to fit with his intended theme of life or something

 

[Captain Syrup]

I realised that making the most shallow possible narrative decisions is what Nomura does.

I feel he made the series too much in his own vision, and too reliant on Tumblr-pandering quotes and humor.

The gritty, slap-you-in-the-face realism of 7 was replaced with something I would expect from a bad video game.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Do you have a source? Not saying I don't believe you, but I recall reading last that Sakaguchi was the one who had that idea, to fit with his intended theme of life or something

Gonna be frank with you, I can't find any hard sources, just interview quotes spread across several sites.

 

[Scuttle]

Gonna be frank with you, I can't find any hard sources, just interview quotes spread across several sites.

It is true that the same three ultimately made the decision to kill Aerith, but if you look at the interview, there was nothing nearly as hardline as a specific vision for her going into production. They're asking Uematsu, they're asking the staff, they're consulting Sakaguchi. They're disagreeing on who should die and when, implying that they really just had a core theme of 'Life' and toiled over how that should be expressed.

But, Plot Ghosts and their subsequent demise notwithstanding, Barrett already died and came back to life within 5 minutes. Biggs and possibly Jessie are still active. The second game has a title of 'Rebirth', which is by definition incompatible with the concept of accepting life for what it is.

The focus is clearly moreso on the false memories and parallel realities rather than any existential theme because they've already done that and don't want to do it again.

 

[Marissa Moira]

The focus is clearly moreso on the false memories and parallel realities rather than any existential theme because they've already done that and don't want to do it again.

There's going to be a reality where Black Tifa exists and Barret is white and they're going to make those DLC costumes.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

There's going to be a reality where Black Tifa exists and Barret is white and they're going to make those DLC costumes.

And twitter will be torn as to whether it's good DLC or not because yay for more black characters, but boo for whitewashing. The irony will soar right above their heads.

 

[Berrakh]

I'm going to have to disagree. Nomura is the one that came up with the pivotal idea to kill Aerith. Granted, he originally pitched killing either Aerith or Tifa, the endpoint was that it was important that Aerith die and it be permanent.

I don't think they'd go against that as it's such an iconic moment, not even for shock value. I'm willing to bet that they will do a fake out where you think Aerith has been saved, only to pull the rug out and actually kill her anyways.

I hope they don’t do this. “The twist is that there is no twist” is high faggotry.

 

[ChefKiss]

I was thinking about this, mostly because Maximilian Dood has infected the public consciousness with his Nojima-adjacent thought processes. Now everyone is convinced that Aerith will live at the expense of Tifa.

At first, I thought it was stupid, because Tifa isn't a character that is set up to die for any reason other than shock value, and then I realised that making the most shallow possible narrative decisions is kind of what Nomura and Nojima does. I'm almost certain they'll 'kill' Tifa and then bring her back before the end of the trilogy.


I absolutely adore most of the games you've listed here (Especially Suikoden III and FFIX) but I'm not really sure if any of them have the power to pull you back in if you're feeling burned out.

Xenoblade 2 and Trails in the Sky made me love JRPGs again, but now I'm feeling fatigued again and am hoping Xenoblade 3 and Eiyuden Chronicle are stellar.

I'm going to have to disagree. Nomura is the one that came up with the pivotal idea to kill Aerith. Granted, he originally pitched killing either Aerith or Tifa,

They'll kill Tifa and the time ghosts will give the choice of which timeline you want so Cloud has to choose if Tifa or Aerith dies.

 

[Marissa Moira]

They'll kill Tifa and the time ghosts will give the choice of which timeline you want so Cloud has to choose if Tifa or Aerith dies.

Why do you have to choose between Tifa or Aerith, why not just kill Yuffie?

 

[Michael Wade]

I hope Cid gets to swear up a storm and give everybody shit. There was a lot more cursing in 7 then I expected. Could use a bit more gore too, 7 was a little too bloodless. Shit, get some Jenovia tits too. lol

I want R rated Nomura going off the reservation and unleashing the salt.

 

[Berrakh]

I was thinking about this, mostly because Maximilian Dood has infected the public consciousness with his Nojima-adjacent thought processes. Now everyone is convinced that Aerith will live at the expense of Tifa.

At first, I thought it was stupid, because Tifa isn't a character that is set up to die for any reason other than shock value, and then I realised that making the most shallow possible narrative decisions is kind of what Nomura and Nojima does. I'm almost certain they'll 'kill' Tifa and then bring her back before the end of the trilogy.

Dood is white Nomura? I can see it. People like Dood are kinda why killing Aerith is pointless. It’s not like he’d care and much of the fanbase is similarly afflicted.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

They'll kill Tifa and the time ghosts will give the choice of which timeline you want so Cloud has to choose if Tifa or Aerith dies.

Please no, I don't want to wait 20 years for them to fully develop two branching stories based on who died. I'd like to finish the remake this lifetime please.

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

The problem with Japanese people is they rarely ever respect the fucking stories they write. It's all endless kaizen-pilled fuckjob shit; on the rare occasion that they create a decent isolated story from beginning-to-end, they go and turn it into a cash cow. Is it respectable as a business tactic? Absolutely. Is it art? No.

American superhero comics have a similar problem. I've complained about it before:

It's also worth pointing out that long-term, comics-style stagnation seems to be increased by the simple fact of having more than one distinct writer or writing team over time. Usually, when a single writer makes a major change, they intend for it to stick, because it fills some purpose in the overall story. But writers don't respect each others' work. They look at a story written by someone else, a finished, working assemblage of many pieces, and just see the pieces, like autists. Like junkyard scavengers. They just want to steal what they can use and don't care about how it fit into the previous whole. Character you want to use dead? Just bring him back. Character got development, and you wanted the old version back? Just undo it. Of course, for comics you pretty much have to have this attitude, because bad writers happen and good characters and other setting elements get gratuitously trashed all the time by Hamhands McDipshit for emotion that the stupid hack was too incompetent to earn legitimately (or by editorial mandate to grab a temporary sales spike).

Having multiple writers in sequence is also a great way to have important details forgotten or just gratuitously changed because the new guy didn't like them or didn't understand their intended purpose and introduce tons of continuity problems.

Of course, franchises like comics that are intended to go forever (or at least until the money runs out) have to have multiple writers over time, as old writers die/quit/get fired/get bored and want to do something else, so that's another way in which never-ending franchises sabotage themselves.

Years ago, I eventually reached the conclusion that all such long-running, multiple sequential author franchises were destined to be unsatisfying to me, and stopped caring about all of them. I haven't regretted it since.

 

[LightDragonman1]

So given the mostly negative feelings folks here seem to have regarding the Remake, your thoughts on the points brought up here regarding it?

 

[Local Degenerate]

So given the mostly negative feelings folks here seem to have regarding the Remake, your thoughts on the points brought up here regarding it?

A quick browse of the comments is filled almost entirely with 'I used to be a toxic misogynist', 'I'm asexual so...' and other bullshit SJW/feminist dicksucking, so, I'm going to give your video here a pass.

I'm willing to bet I can guess what's said anyways: 'Game has sexy women so it's toxic. Game has badass males so it's misyognistic. Devs don't know what they're doing despite being the original devs.'

So, same shit as any other 'new thing bad.' video, just mixed with SJW bullshit. Edit: With bonus points for the presenter saying she didn't finish it.

 

[Berrakh]

A quick browse of the comments is filled almost entirely with 'I used to be a toxic misogynist', 'I'm asexual so...' and other bullshit SJW/feminist dicksucking, so, I'm going to give your video here a pass.

I'm willing to bet I can guess what's said anyways: 'Game has sexy women so it's toxic. Game has badass males so it's misyognistic. Devs don't know what they're doing despite being the original devs.'

So, same shit as any other 'new thing bad.' video, just mixed with SJW bullshit. Edit: With bonus points for the presenter saying she didn't finish it.

Well I’ll at least watch it. But I expect it too.

Edit: The WOMYN section is really funny. Oh my God. It’s good she labeled the section where she bitches and moans about the women so I can just reply directly to it.

You’re slightly wrong because she only alludes to Tifa however.

According to the Authoress…Aerith is exploited labor and not smart because she’s easy to underestimate by not taking everything very seriously and cynically (like the authoress herself). Even though she makes good decisions, which improve bad situations, unlike most of the cast. Her overall point is that these girls exist to make decisions that help Cloud and not themselves but Aerith does make decisions outside of Cloud a number of times. She only really talks about Aerith when Aerith is the exception to her thesis. Jessie would be a much better example of what she’s talking about. But Jessie doesn’t wear pink so doesn’t viscerally piss her off.

She is right about Leslie and Corneo’s other lackeys though. The embellishments don’t fit the old, goofy payoff.

She also thinks the game is about Shinra and Capitalism I believe. So one of those. And believes the game depicting Aerith as generous with her local community undermines that point. Because obviously a transactional relationship that underhandedly harms the clients of a corporation in the long term is exactly like doing a quick good turn for your neighbors who genuinely love you.

Yeah the extent to which Aerith is nice is unrealistic for the average person but the video authoress seems to think a woman who doesn’t have a transactional mindset is impossible and demeaning.

It goes to show, since she only talked about Tifa implicitly instead of directly, that feminists resent happy women before they resent sexy women. Feminists and Coomers can get along smashingly, for a little while.

 

[Coldgrip]

I hope Cid gets to swear up a storm and give everybody shit. There was a lot more cursing in 7 then I expected. Could use a bit more gore too, 7 was a little too bloodless. Shit, get some Jenovia tits too. lol

I want R rated Nomura going off the reservation and unleashing the salt.

You know they'll cut out him swearing at Shera and demanding his fucking tea. Which makes me think they might retcon the whole rocket incident.

Bonus points if they make her into a super smart pilot that is actually better than Cid, but she didn't want to show him up because, reasons.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Oh my God. Aerith is exploited labor and easy to underestimate by not taking everything very seriously.

She's the Sofia Vergara of the 90s!

 

[Berrakh]

She's the Sofia Vergara of the 90s!

In context Aerith is more of an example of a woman who makes the male gaze work to her advantage and keeps things on her terms. But I really do suspect that’s what upsets the authoress because then she’s not a victim of what the authoress feels oppressed by.

Feminists have always hated Aerith for these shallow reasons. According to them depicting a happy girl who is mourned by a man when she tragically dies is Manic Pixie and also Fridging. Instead of just… something that could happen.

Edit: also the video pretends Cloud hasn’t done a lot of good, which can easily outweigh his cuntish words in how he’s being appraised by other characters.

 

[Captain Syrup]

According to them depicting a girl who is mourned by a man when she tragically dies is Mani Pixie and also Fridging. Instead of just… something that could happen.