Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[Agarathium1066]

One of the reasons I'm happy the adventurer plate doesn't let you write paragraphs of bullshit unto it. I can't find it right now, but there's an infamous image of an addon that allows players in WoW to write like an RP backstory for their character. And every female player character just goes on and on about their girl dick, and every draenei has a massive horse cock

It's something I deeply agree with, I know exactly the addons you are referencing. There's more than one of them as far as I know but its been literal years since I've been in the WoW community. Those stupid paragraphs are stuffed with the worst garbage.. but there are Carrds that do some similar things. Though you can report and pull down ones that are filled with stupid degeneracy at least.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

I think you're talking about MyRolePlay and TotalRoleplay, addons that were designed (at least at the looks) with a more wholesome, earnest intent of allowing people on roleplaying servers to have quick references for character looks, behavior, etc. Back in the bygone era of well over a decade ago, I would say that on those servers most people probably used them as they were intended. There was Goldshire, of course, and you knew there were some people who were degenerates, but for the most part it was just edgy deviantart characters as far as the eye could see.

Of course, if my brief stint on a roleplaying server in the Classic relaunch taught me anything, it's that said era is long gone. Just about every single character had some blurb or wholesale listing of their erotic preferences, many of them had links to those kink-listing websites, and a disturbing amount of people seemed intent that they wouldn't "roleplay with anyone below 21," which greatly confused me because... like, is there a country on the planet where you don't cease being a minor at 18, but rather at 21? All this to say, while FF14 for the moment seems to have a rather absurd amount of degenerates, it's probably just because the character models are easier to beat it to. MMOs everywhere attract the absolute worst of the bottom-feeders, and just by how the games are designed they're as prime as discord to be a means through which degenerates create more of their ilk.

 

[Agarathium1066]

I think you're talking about MyRolePlay and TotalRoleplay, addons that were designed (at least at the looks) with a more wholesome, earnest intent of allowing people on roleplaying servers to have quick references for character looks, behavior, etc. Back in the bygone era of well over a decade ago, I would say that on those servers most people probably used them as they were intended. There was Goldshire, of course, and you knew there were some people who were degenerates, but for the most part it was just edgy deviantart characters as far as the eye could see.

Of course, if my brief stint on a roleplaying server in the Classic relaunch taught me anything, it's that said era is long gone. Just about every single character had some blurb or wholesale listing of their erotic preferences, many of them had links to those kink-listing websites, and a disturbing amount of people seemed intent that they wouldn't "roleplay with anyone below 21," which greatly confused me because... like, is there a country on the planet where you don't cease being a minor at 18, but rather at 21? All this to say, while FF14 for the moment seems to have a rather absurd amount of degenerates, it's probably just because the character models are easier to beat it to. MMOs everywhere attract the absolute worst of the bottom-feeders, and just by how the games are designed they're as prime as discord to be a means through which degenerates create more of their ilk.

You're right on both of those, really if you *weren't* sitting in the most active spots you'd still find maybe 80-90% normal profiles but there's been an ever increasing presence of having some of your degenerate aims just hanging around in your information. It's the dumbest shit to me.

As for my take on why FFXIV has so many horny on main people? Simply because it's the most enjoyable MMO at the time, most up to date models, and a strong mod community with actually creative people in it. Just a good amount of that creative energy is poured into making pretty or smutty outfits to dress up their dolls. Not a real shock, people like dressing up and that sorta thing.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

a disturbing amount of people seemed intent that they wouldn't "roleplay with anyone below 21," which greatly confused me because... like, is there a country on the planet where you don't cease being a minor at 18, but rather at 21?

If you are genuinely looking for fap fuel, you might find playing with someone who's just over jailbait age uncomfortable, which I think is sort of understandable. Also in my limited experience with RPing with people around zoomer ages (in a normal nerdy capacity, not ERP), zoomers are atrociously bad even if they have some literacy and can type a readable paragraph or two instead of one liner garbage, they just can't actually make anything worth a shit beyond it being readable most the time. They're just fucking boring because they don't have enough experiences to draw from to make interesting characters or ideas most the time. So honestly unless I have some sort of confidence in a really young adult, I'd never want to RP with anyone in any capacity below the age of mid 20s probably.

 

[Zilortha]

You're right on both of those, really if you *weren't* sitting in the most active spots you'd still find maybe 80-90% normal profiles but there's been an ever increasing presence of having some of your degenerate aims just hanging around in your information. It's the dumbest shit to me.

As for my take on why FFXIV has so many horny on main people? Simply because it's the most enjoyable MMO at the time, most up to date models, and a strong mod community with actually creative people in it. Just a good amount of that creative energy is poured into making pretty or smutty outfits to dress up their dolls. Not a real shock, people like dressing up and that sorta thing.

Yeah I've said this for a while. XIV is in all likelihood the most popular mmo. You could argue that World of Warcraft has more overall subscribers, but I kinda doubt that anymore (and considering their peak, it's been a real fall from grace. People aren't too keen on Blizzard right now.)

A lot of people who otherwise would've never played XIV are playing. And with any increase in population, you're gonna see an increase in the number of weirdos, because our society in general is pretty fucking weird these days.

Add to that more attractive player models, housing, all that stuff and you have a bigger ability to enable that RP culture compared to a game like warcraft too. So Idk. It seems obvious what would happen. I still find it annoying as hell though lol

 

[Gravemind]

So honestly unless I have some sort of confidence in a really young adult, I'd never want to RP with anyone in any capacity below the age of mid 20s probably.

I've known people in their 30s who are just as dogshit at the craft. Age-gating's a good preventative tool to keep yourself from deranged, horny zoomers who could potentially get your ass in a lot of trouble but it's certainly not a foolproof solution unfortunately.

 

[CharcoalChkn]

I generally just don't like interacting with people 10 years younger than me.

21-25 can be an incredibly annoying age range as well with all the new freedoms and emboldened by being an adult but not suffering the consequences of life yet.

 

[Agarathium1066]

Yeah I've said this for a while. XIV is in all likelihood the most popular mmo. You could argue that World of Warcraft has more overall subscribers, but I kinda doubt that anymore (and considering their peak, it's been a real fall from grace. People aren't too keen on Blizzard right now.)

I'll keep this one brief since this isn't the WoW thread but its because they lean heavily on the same lack of paying attention that Netflix and other subscription services do. They also 'coincidentally' release a lot of premium content bundled with massive game time juuuust before they basically have a long 6+ month break in content. People are already paid up so they count as 'subbed'.

A lot of people who otherwise would've never played XIV are playing. And with any increase in population, you're gonna see an increase in the number of weirdos, because our society in general is pretty fucking weird these days.

Add to that more attractive player models, housing, all that stuff and you have a bigger ability to enable that RP culture compared to a game like warcraft too. So Idk. It seems obvious what would happen. I still find it annoying as hell though lol

I honestly think XIV even in its oldest form is hornier than WoW, it's not terribly shy about sexuality being part of life though it's nowhere near modern levels of what people think is 'open sexuality'. Just means characters make flirty comments, mention sex, and aren't shy about the idea of people being motivated by it. Also SE is oddly very supportive of its RP community and is aware they're basically their Whales so they don't hesitate to wink, nod, and feed them with things they like.

Add in the game is good, has way more features, and that they're not openly hostile to their fanatical fans. No brainer there. Though as far as I know if you aren't on Crystal you're going to have to look for RPers since the little I know of non-crystal RP groups tend to keep their heads down.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I've known people in their 30s who are just as dogshit at the craft. Age-gating's a good preventative tool to keep yourself from deranged, horny zoomers who could potentially get your ass in a lot of trouble but it's certainly not a foolproof solution unfortunately.

Very true, I just had a RP friend of mine deal with a 28 year old autistic man who quite literally wanted to make their fairly complicated and intricate female character (unironic, they've been developing their character for almost a decade) into some basic bitch tsundere damsel to be 'mates' with their fucking edge lord OC unironic male power fantasy. It was very funny to watch for me who got constant updates of this disaster, though I cringed as they typed the worst game of Hitman I've ever seen when they tried to play secret agent while having no idea how to stealth on a basic level. Like someone legitimately yelled "fuck!" in a hallway, got shot, and nothing happened after this as the man acted like he did a stealth takedown by shooting the gun in the mouth who spotted him.

My biggest problem with zoomers is most zoomers are incredibly uninspired even if they write competently, it is like they're so stuck on their phone/internet to an absolutely obsessive degree due to growing up with it their entire lives that they don't know how to write beyond whatever shit they've seen spewed out of social media/youtube/shit 2010s media crap/etc. Most late 20s-30s problems ime is they just are lazy at actually writing at all, these zoomers try to write good, sort of succeed and fail to be interesting which is honestly even more frustrating imo. One I know will suck and I can dip fast, the other I give far too much credit and time, then I end up disappointed.

Nothing is foolproof with rando RPs, because people RP for so many different reasons but a lot of them are effectively super elaborative (if that) self insert power fantasies and not to make actual characters, and those are always boring when you are trying to engage with an actual character. But filtering zoomers is a very efficient means to trim the fat.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

If you are genuinely looking for fap fuel, you might find playing with someone who's just over jailbait age uncomfortable, which I think is sort of understandable.

Thank -god- they said they were able to legally purchase their own alcohol! And as no-one would ever lie on the internet, I can begin my erotic roleplaying with a clear conscience.

Honestly, I don't necessarily echo the zoomer sentiment on writing ability. Go to places dedicated wholesale to writing in its purest form, and what you'll generally find is that you won't really be able to tell the age of people who are writing good stuff. I used to roleplay casually in WoW when I was a teenager, but the moment that I found my way into some actual circles where people would write - either on their own for critique or collaboratively - I couldn't really ever look back at people using MMOs as a medium seriously. The mediocre-to-good writers get out, leaving behind... well, what you get.

You're gonna get a lot more of zoomers playing these kinds of games because they've simply got less responsibilities on the whole than everyone else, who largely have to support themselves. Zooms live at home above 18 at rates way above the rest of the population, have lower employment rates, higher college enrollment rates (5-6 figures of debt to skip class and play video games, good thing bernie can STILL WIN HERE'S HOW), etc. etc. And if they're roleplaying in the game, they're too shit to get on anywhere else - all the pieces fit.

People are already paid up so they count as 'subbed'.

Don't forget that bot accounts, for both retail and classic, count towards their MAUs. And they're very, very hesitant about banning said botting accounts for that reason, and also for the reason that they basically enable whales to continue to play the game (and make the WoW token more lucrative).

 

[Zilortha]

I honestly think XIV even in its oldest form is hornier than WoW, it's not terribly shy about sexuality being part of life though it's nowhere near modern levels of what people think is 'open sexuality'. Just means characters make flirty comments, mention sex, and aren't shy about the idea of people being motivated by it. Also SE is oddly very supportive of its RP community and is aware they're basically their Whales so they don't hesitate to wink, nod, and feed them with things they like.

Add in the game is good, has way more features, and that they're not openly hostile to their fanatical fans. No brainer there. Though as far as I know if you aren't on Crystal you're going to have to look for RPers since the little I know of non-crystal RP groups tend to keep their heads down.

I wouldn't disagree, but I think that's just a result of, again, more attractive character models, modding, housing, etc. The game has (since early on post 2.0 at least) been made with attributes that indirectly facilitate RPing.

But I don't think SE is all that supportive of RPers as much as they're afraid to piss them off. Remember when they banned RP posts from the party finder? RPers sperged out and they reversed that decision fairly quickly. It makes sense though. Why alienate a group of paying customers without reason, when you can instead just try to get them to contain their degeneracy. That's the approach SE took forever with modders too though, and we see how that's shaking out.

 

[CharcoalChkn]

I seriously don't understand why they don't just expand the PF tabs, give one for RP, one for Events and one for Crafting.

The other tab is just a mess.

 

[Zilortha]

I seriously don't understand why they don't just expand the PF tabs, give one for RP, one for Events and one for Crafting.

The other tab is just a mess.

I think that would be seen as legitimizing RPing which they don't want to do given the plethora of "18+ only" rp stuff that gets posted. You could argue that ignoring the other tab could be seen as tacit approval, but given their efforts to ban RP from the other tab, that's not so cut and dry.
It is a total mess though, yeah.

 

[Agarathium1066]

I think that would be seen as legitimizing RPing which they don't want to do given the plethora of "18+ only" rp stuff that gets posted. You could argue that ignoring the other tab could be seen as tacit approval, but given their efforts to ban RP from the other tab, that's not so cut and dry.
It is a total mess though, yeah.

There's plenty of other kinds of RP that uses it as well but if they don't wish to 'legitimize' smuttier RP ideas then they should be putting up an easy word filter or some shit. Combing through PF on Crystal can be a real pain in the ass.

 

[Well Intentioned]

Someone was sharing some ERP venue drama on Limsa today. Caught what appeared to be the tail end of it and someone sharing a YT video. Reads like shitty high school drama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z9J2M2nUP0

 

[FatMebius]

There's plenty of other kinds of RP that uses it as well but if they don't wish to 'legitimize' smuttier RP ideas then they should be putting up an easy word filter or some shit. Combing through PF on Crystal can be a real pain in the ass.

I like some of the regular weird PFs on Crystal. That Aurora dude who always puts up a PF that reads "i need a gf" is funny. Dude does it every day. That's dedication.

 

[Power Glove]

It's really not that bad.
I was one of those people when I played WoW too. I'd have one of each class per faction bare minimum.
At first it irked me a little, but as I got used to it? I wholeheartedly prefer this method, no contest.

I caved and actually decided to level all jobs/classes on one character. It really is a better method, having fun doing leves and fates an hour a day after work. Not sure if healing is gonna be my thing, never tried healing in an MMORPG, but what is the worst that can happen? Getting yelled at by strangers on the internet? Heavens no.

 

[ZMOT]

I like some of the regular weird PFs on Crystal. That Aurora dude who always puts up a PF that reads "i need a gf" is funny. Dude does it every day. That's dedication.

I can appreciate a dedicated shitposter.

I caved and actually decided to level all jobs/classes on one character. It really is a better method, having fun doing leves and fates an hour a day after work. Not sure if healing is gonna be my thing, never tried healing in an MMORPG, but what is the worst that can happen? Getting yelled at by strangers on the internet? Heavens no.

it's usually pretty chill in dungeons, with the added perk of a faster queue. you can also conveniently let diva tanks and mouthing off dps eat shit by forgetting to heal them.

for max efficiency level the crafts alongside it, can make it quite tedious but this way you can wear the stuff you have to make anyway instead of just vendoring them, and all the jobs will have the gear they need.

Add to that more attractive player models, housing, all that stuff and you have a bigger ability to enable that RP culture compared to a game like warcraft too. So Idk. It seems obvious what would happen. I still find it annoying as hell though lol

this is what always baffled me the most, the devs already have those assets and code, literally all they need to do is slap on a progression and timesink for the furniture and places people want to put them and they gonna lap that shit up. it's probably the most cost/benefit efficient way to do "content". instead all WoW gives you is stuff like garrisons and facebook minigames...

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

The best way is to make liberal use of traits so jobs actually have off gcds once in awhile and introduce 1 > 2 > 3 earlier for melee imo. I remember being bored for an hour while having a discussion like this and I tried to roughly fix ARR Dragoon/Lancer using this idea as Dragoon/Lancer doesn't even close like the job until Nastrond and I wanted to fix that, I'm sure some autismo Dragoon main could help me out here to ensure I didn't fuck something up because I messed with the dive ready mechanic a little to compensate, but here's what I made.

Spoiler: Literal armchair game design

Introduce ability "Ghetto Jump" at level 10

Ghetto Jump: 30 second CD off gcd, 15 yalm gap closer, does 200 potency and cannot be used when bound or heavied. Gets traited into Jump at level 30 increasing the range and damage to what Jump currently is.

Remove Spineshatter dive, Jump becomes a gap closer now (inb4 old age FF fans bitch that Jump is supposed to return the Dragoon to their original position). Dragonfire Dive gives Dive Ready and its CD and damage is reduced to compensate (cut CD and potency in half-ish).

Move Lance Charge to level 26, move Full Thrust to level 18, Move Disembowel to level 20

Introduce Ghetto Nastrond (Precursor to Nastrond/Mirage Dive mechanic) at level 30 from class quest.

Ghetto Nastrond: 10 second cd off gcd, can only be used upon using Ghetto Jump/Jump and Dragonfire Dive three times. Deals 290 potency in a 10y straight line aoe 30% less to remaining enemies. Becomes Nastrond at level 70 to change potency to 360 and you only need two Jump/Dragonfire dives instead of three.

Introduce Chaos Thrust at level 45 instead of level 50

I Know im late to this one but i remember seeing the only decent post on the DRK cope thread talking about how neat it would've been if DRK got a basic version of TBN for pre lvl 70 content
I think if they can shuffle shit around like they did for DRK so pre lvl 60 or 70 doesnt feel anal for some jobs it would be neat

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I Know im late to this one but i remember seeing the only decent post on the DRK cope thread talking about how neat it would've been if DRK got a basic version of TBN for pre lvl 70 content
I think if they can shuffle shit around like they did for DRK so pre lvl 60 or 70 doesnt feel anal for jobs it would be neat

Earlier TBN would be fine, or just make Dark Mind not fucking worthless for the majority of things. DRK like the other tanks needs a small redesign because I think the double weave spam fiesta john madden every 2 minutes shit isn't a good idea. I'd rather they divided all of DRK's weaving across the entire rotation and not just slam it all into the 2 minute opener. Tanks need off gcd slots to weave cds, and if your ping is shit then DRK is a mess for no reason. Even GNB isn't this bad unless you need to move the boss.

I'm not sure how I'd fix it, unless they're willing to bring back Darkside in some way and make different combo enders again then I can make some suggestions, but I presume no one wants to actually manage mana on DRK anymore beyond slamming TBN when you need it. I also think the blood gauge sucks and they should get rid of it so Drk can have something else going on instead of the ghetto fell cleave shit. While all tanks effectively have fell cleave, DRK is the only one that just one to one takes fell cleave while PLD/GNB try to hide their similar abilities beyond other requirements.