Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

The nice thing about the absolute state of Star Wars and Star Trek is that I've been tracking down other old sci-fi shows I never got around to watching when they aired. Babylon 5 is putting nuTrek and nuWars to shame, and it's almost thirty years old! Might try Stargate next, I've heard a lot of positive things about it.

I rewatched the OG Battlestar Galactica which I hadn't seen since it originally aired.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Bob Chapek got a three year extension on his contract.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/disneys-ceo-bob-chapek-gets-new-long-term-contract-1235053685/amp/

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It's another episode of "Lucas Man Bad", "Star Wars/ANH was a cheap movie" and "manbabies were outraged that we saw Luke stopping himself from killing Kylo Ren".

The more I watch RLM, the more convinced I am that @Mississippi Motorboater is right. They fundamentally do not understand Star Wars. They're like the Star Wars equivalent to Flat Earthers. Except they're actually listened to by studio professionals.

 

[TVB]

Bob Chapek got a three year extension on his contract.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/disneys-ceo-bob-chapek-gets-new-long-term-contract-1235053685/amp/

My big question is... why?

 

[God of Nothing]

The more I watch RLM, the more convinced I am that @Mississippi Motorboater is right. They fundamentally do not understand Star Wars. They're like the Star Wars equivalent to Flat Earthers. Except they're actually listened to by studio professionals.

Pretty sure they just don't give a shit. Never exactly grew up with the movies, they didn't resonate with them, and saw everyone else experience the former, so they either look upon it with some kind of resentment or disgust.

like, they're movies about space wizards, man
so what if it's well done, the story is super generic/archetypal
lol, the prequel had wooden acting, awkward scenes, and a plothole or two
the st isn't bad because it's not the prequels

It's like that one nerd who hates everything mainstream, even if it's actually great, to the point they elevate shitty indie titles despite being poorly made. I can't think of any other reason to defend such horrid trash other than to dab on those silly unenlightened normies who think they understand film and television.

 

[Mr Processor]

Pretty sure they just don't give a shit. Never exactly grew up with the movies, they didn't resonate with them, and saw everyone else experience the former, so they either look upon it with some kind of resentment or disgust.

like, they're movies about space wizards, man
so what if it's well done, the story is super generic/archetypal
lol, the prequel had wooden acting, awkward scenes, and a plothole or two
the st isn't bad because it's not the prequels

It's like that one nerd who hates everything mainstream, even if it's actually great, to the point they elevate shitty indie titles despite being poorly made. I can't think of any other reason to defend such horrid trash other than to dab on those silly unenlightened normies who think they understand film and television.

Rich Evans has said in the Star Trek videos that he never gave a shit about Star Wars but he loved Star Trek. It's extremely weird how they are pulling their punches on Kenobi, to the point I wonder what is going on. I mean, honestly people don't really tune into Red Letter Media to watch lukewarmly positive reviews of bad Star Wars TV shows.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Pretty sure they just don't give a shit. Never exactly grew up with the movies, they didn't resonate with them, and saw everyone else experience the former, so they either look upon it with some kind of resentment or disgust.

like, they're movies about space wizards, man
so what if it's well done, the story is super generic/archetypal
lol, the prequel had wooden acting, awkward scenes, and a plothole or two
the st isn't bad because it's not the prequels

It's like that one nerd who hates everything mainstream, even if it's actually great, to the point they elevate shitty indie titles despite being poorly made. I can't think of any other reason to defend such horrid trash other than to dab on those silly unenlightened normies who think they understand film and television.

It's deeper than that. In general, they're Gen X, the generation that was in their 20s when the prequels came out. They and Kevin Smith sperged out on the Prequels for continuity issues. Which, to be fair, there are, but they took that ball and ran it into "George Lucas raped my childhood." That's some Rian Johnson levels of derangement. It happened because everyone at the time thought the TPM was going to be the biggest cinematic event in history and then their expectations got dashed when the movie itself was bleh. That led to RLM complaining about politics in Star Wars and how it bogs down the plot, which JJ took to mean that politics shouldn't ever be talked about in Star Wars and thus is why the Sequels are so damn confusing.

Specifically, Rich Evans is an atheist and Star Wars--and the OT specifically--is fundamentally a story about faith. So, he just hates it on that ground and says factually incorrect things like "Star Wars is creatively bankrupt." It is--NOW. It wasn't back in the 90s and 2000s and he does know better because he knows who Kyle Katarn is and did play old Star Wars games from the 90s Even The Mandalorian, Rogue One, and Book of Boba Fett, flaws and all, were radically different takes to Star Wars than the Sequels and proof that Star Wars isn't creatively bankrupt.

In Mike's case, his reputation as a critic is staked in the Prequels being the worst movies ever because if he ever seriously criticized the Sequels, Industry professionals can safely ignore him by saying, "Nothing ever pleases you." Even though the Sequels are worse movies than the Prequels. So, now he has to say it's not that good, but he enjoys it.

I think Jay is just being a hipster about the whole thing and has the healthiest blasé attitude.

I'll take a real unpopular opinion and say The Phantom Menace is vastly superior to any Disney Trilogy movie. I can rewatch TPM and find new things that 10 year old me didn't notice like how shit the Republic is or the silent characterization in the Duel of the Fates sequence. I can't rewatch TFA because there's nothing to discover. Rogue One is so bogged down in Jyn Erso drama that it's boring to watch.

 

[God of Nothing]

Rich Evans has said in the Star Trek videos that he never gave a shit about Star Wars but he loved Star Trek.

i think they just love liberal commie propaganda then

 

[The handsome tard]

I hate to quote the orange Feloni waifu but when Vader said that Anakin is dead and he killed him, Obi-wan should have said "Then I will avenge my apprentice" and stabbed Vader in the face (not the chest because everyone just tends to survive those in this series)

I liked the series finally better than the ending of Episode III because it does a better job tying the prequels to the OT.

ok, how?

-Lays down (admittedly clumsy) groundwork for Vader being the "learner" when he "left" Obi-Wan, so he can be the "master of evil" later.

Question, how? There was nothing to imply that. The flashbacks? Wow, what a big difference they made. Their meeting had Vader being defeated, assuring that Anakin is dead and Obi-wan just fucks off. Where is the learner and master shit ? I can understand the master of evil cuz Vader IS a naughty boy but it loses that impact when Obi-wan leaves Vader alive, doesnt it?

-Vader says he "killed" Anakin and Obi calls him "Darth" at the end. Obi looks like less of a dipshit in Episode IV because of this. ("Vader betrayed and tots murdered your father Luke don't worry about the fact that I cut off his legs and watched him burn in lava dude.")

You claim its superior but is it really? Feels like these are trying to fix things that didnt need fixing (at most they required some interpretation from the side of the audience but not too much).
Feels more impactful when the last time he saw him, Anakin was a destroyed monstrous mess filled with burning hatred that it might as well not be Anakin anymore.

Besides, Yoda did tell Obi-wan that Anakin was no more, replaced by this "Darth Vader". It kind of already setup the whole "he murdered your father" narrative.

I mean, we gotta accept that ultimately, that lie was kind of made on the spot because he didnt want Luke to know the truth yet. I dont know why we gotta perfectly justify the

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It is now Hyperion's property!

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

ok, how?

With lines of dialogue in the last Episode between Vader and Obi. If your position is that a few throw-away lines of dialogue aren't good enough to fully tie the prequels to the OT, I'm inclined to agree. However, doing a better job than Episode III isn't a very high bar. Each trilogy is fundamentally doing its own thing, so the ties between each trilogy has always been weak.

Question, how? There was nothing to imply that. The flashbacks? Wow, what a big difference they made. Their meeting had Vader being defeated, assuring that Anakin is dead and Obi-wan just fucks off. Where is the learner and master shit ? I can understand the master of evil cuz Vader IS a naughty boy but it loses that impact when Obi-wan leaves Vader alive, doesnt it?

Vader calling him "master" during the fight, then transitioning towards only accepting palpy as his "one true master" at the end. It *kinda* squares with his ANH dialogue but Kenobi would've synced with Vader's lines a little better if he just left the planet after burying Kenobi and deciding he was irrelevant. When that happened, I honestly thought that was where the fight was going to end. Admittedly, now it just makes Vader's line in ANH look like a giant cope, which is entertaining in its own way.

You claim its superior but is it really? Feels like these are trying to fix things that didnt need fixing (at most they required some interpretation from the side of the audience but not too much).

Feels more impactful when the last time he saw him, Anakin was a destroyed monstrous mess filled with burning hatred that it might as well not be Anakin anymore.

The problem is that any sane person would've assumed Anakin was dead. Obi should've been surprised to see Vader alive in ANH and he would've just called him Anakin, if he were the same character we saw in RoTS.

Besides, Yoda did tell Obi-wan that Anakin was no more, replaced by this "Darth Vader". It kind of already setup the whole "he murdered your father" narrative.

Meh, that's kinda weak. Obi was still calling him "Anakin" the whole lava fight.

My overall opinion of the show is that it adds a fun little character arc to Obi to take him from the demoralized mess he was at the end of Episode III and transition him into the snarky old man we saw in ANH. Is it perfect? No. I'm just not letting "perfect" be the enemy of the "good" in my enjoyment of the series.

 

[The handsome tard]

I'll take a real unpopular opinion and say The Phantom Menace is vastly superior to any Disney Trilogy movie. I can rewatch TPM and find new things that 10 year old me didn't notice like how shit the Republic is or the silent characterization in the Duel of the Fates sequence. I can't rewatch TFA because there's nothing to discover. Rogue One is so bogged down in Jyn Erso drama that it's boring to watch.

The prequels are actually an interesting tale about the decay of democracy and how evil people take advantage of the situation to assume total power for themselves. Same goes for the Jedi Order that grew so stagnated and comfortable on their cradle of power. On the macro scale, the prequels are genius.

Its just on the micro scale that they could have been improved but nothing that they do "hurts" the overall saga, I cant say the same for the sequels tho. The brand has never been the same since TFA and especially TLJ.
TLJ is when we struck the iceberg, now the captain is going all Costa Concordia and pretending is fine and that the ship isnt sinking. Most fans already caught on and ran for the life boats but the disney shills are going "this is fine" no matter how much cold water surrounds them.

For me, I left when TLJ hit, that loud impact and dreadful silence afterwards were enough signs for me to pick up my things and flee to the lifeboats NOW.

It's deeper than that. In general, they're Gen X, the generation that was in their 20s when the prequels came out. They and Kevin Smith sperged out on the Prequels for continuity issues. Which, to be fair, there are, but they took that ball and ran it into "George Lucas raped my childhood." That's some Rian Johnson levels of derangement. It happened because everyone at the time thought the TPM was going to be the biggest cinematic event in history and then their expectations got dashed when the movie itself was bleh. That led to RLM complaining about politics in Star Wars and how it bogs down the plot, which JJ took to mean that politics shouldn't ever be talked about in Star Wars and thus is why the Sequels are so damn confusing.

Man, the prequel hatred really aged very poorly.
Its actually is rather symbolic over how SPOILED the 80/90's generations were, constantly looking for things to complain about when some actual REAL bad times were just around the corner.

Now these morons are all in their 40's nearing 50's, probably sucking the mouse's dick because to not do so would admit the prequels werent so bad in comparison and they cant handle the agony of being wrong. Not wanting to accept that they were extremely spoiled and that they lived in the last golden years of western society.

Also I love how in the video it just feels all "self inserty" doesnt it? "Yeah, I showed him!". I dont know, feels very Reddit ish to me if that makes any sense.

Specifically, Rich Evans is an atheist and Star Wars--and the OT specifically--is fundamentally a story about faith. So, he just hates it on that ground and says factually incorrect things like "Star Wars is creatively bankrupt."

Rich is a joke, literal a joke character. I cant take him seriously outside of his meme/jokes like "How does it feel to have lived long enough to see your favorite franchises go down in flames?"

But it doesnt change he still lived in those golden years for most of his life and hasnt done much outside complaining about...anything....
Now he is fat and old and acting exactly like he complained that the older generations acted towards the new ones.

Funny how the cycle works.

My big question is... why?

Because when you are in the tribe, you always fail upwards.

 

[Ghostse]

Bob Chapek got a three year extension on his contract.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/disneys-ceo-bob-chapek-gets-new-long-term-contract-1235053685/amp/

beat me to it you motherfucker

Disney extends another executive contract for 3 years.
Wokies BTFO! Noose tightens around KK! Sequel Decanonization imminent! I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, High Republic authors are committing suicide under the walls of Galaxy's Edge; we will encourage them to commit suicides more quickly. Now, show Disney how badly they have been fucking up by consooming!

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I remember seeing here people talking about Kathleen Kennedy and how she actually seems to have been competent in the past. This makes me wonder whether she is a clear example of the Dilbert Principle?

 

[Godzilla@1989]

The prequels are actually an interesting tale about the decay of democracy and how evil people take advantage of the situation to assume total power for themselves. Same goes for the Jedi Order that grew so stagnated and comfortable on their cradle of power. On the macro scale, the prequels are genius.

Its just on the micro scale that they could have been improved but nothing that they do "hurts" the overall saga, I cant say the same for the sequels tho. The brand has never been the same since TFA and especially TLJ.
TLJ is when we struck the iceberg, now the captain is going all Costa Concordia and pretending is fine and that the ship isnt sinking. Most fans already caught on and ran for the life boats but the disney shills are going "this is fine" no matter how much cold water surrounds them.

Even with its clunky directing and cringe-worthy dialogue, it’s got a way more interesting plot synopsis than the entire What If Trilogy.

Hell, even with its flaws, you can’t deny their originality and imagination.

 

[Creep3r]

Bob Chapek got a three year extension on his contract.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/disneys-ceo-bob-chapek-gets-new-long-term-contract-1235053685/amp/

Wow. This is an incredibly stupid and surprising move. I was almost certain they were going to pick the lesbian executive. On the bright side, with him at the helm, at least we're guaranteed that Disney will continue getting cheaper while being run by an even more incompetent fuck up for years to come who will keep sinking Disney into shambles if were lucky.

I mean, let's face it, the only other alternative was that fart huffeer Peter Rice and that lesbian executive and they were just Iger 2.0 but more woke who would've probably just kept Disney in a sort of stable zone of apathetic content. At least with Chapek it just means worse days for Disney ahead with a moron at the helm who keeps shooting himself in the foot through PR and management. If it leads to more losses for Disney, I welcome it. The bastard is so cheap he may hopefully start downsizing. That along with the recent mockery of extreme adult disney fans on social media is a rather pleasant turn of events, in a sad and uneventful sort of way.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Wow. This is an incredibly stupid and surprising move. I was almost certain they were going to pick the lesbian executive. On the bright side, with him at the helm, at least we're guaranteed that Disney will continue getting cheaper while being run by an even more incompetent fuck up for years to come who will keep sinking Disney into shambles if were lucky.

I mean, let's face it, the only other alternative was that fart huffeer Peter Rice and that lesbian executive and they were just Iger 2.0 but more woke who would've probably just kept Disney in a sort of stable zone of apathetic content. At least with Chapek it just means worse days for Disney ahead with a moron at the helm who keeps shooting himself in the foot through PR and management. If it leads to more losses for Disney, I welcome it. The bastard is so cheap he may hopefully start downsizing. That along with the recent mockery of extreme adult disney fans on social media is a rather pleasant turn of events, in a sad and uneventful sort of way.

It’s still shitty they have their heads up their asses with wanting to stay on course, even though it’s never a great idea to follow the leader and not go forge your own path as a businessman. But as we saw with DeSantis, Chapek is willing to piss in soup bowls with politicians. I willing to bet he won’t do Jack shit about Kennedy and just let her retire on her own.

I’m guessing they banking on him delivering on Avatar 2. But let’s face it, Avatar hasn’t aged well and the fact that it ripped off a rip off that beat Goodfellas for Best Picture doesn’t helped matters. Plus, I don’t think it’ll catch up to Top Gun 2 since that had good word of mouth and little week to week decline in weekend drop. Hell; I don’t think even Whor and Black Panther: Electric Boogaloo won’t beat Top Gun as the biggest hit of 2022. Avatar 2 will apparently have a TFA-style marketing campaign and Disney is even reissuing Avatar and Titanic in theaters in 4K.

 

[Sneed F91]

Never exactly grew up with the movies

They didn't? They seem like the exact definition of Gen X OT fans (well, two Trekkies and a hipster) let down by the prequels after growing up with the OT in the 80s.

Of course.

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I couldn't imagine paying $20 to see this bullshit in a movie theater.

Bob Chapek got a three year extension on his contract.

https://deadline.com/2022/06/disneys-ceo-bob-chapek-gets-new-long-term-contract-1235053685/amp/

"Stop it Disney's already dead!"

No, seriously. There's nothing Disney could do now that Iger hasn't done to ruin the company even worse at this point.

It's deeper than that. In general, they're Gen X, the generation that was in their 20s when the prequels came out.

This. It makes complete sense as to why they'd love some bullshit like Disney Wars, especially TFA. In the end, the Gen X'ers won. They got exactly what they wanted. Star Wars with no George, no spirituality, and nothing but OT memberberries. I know I sure didn't get what I wanted out of Disney Wars. The thing that will always be fascinating to me is how the fans not only got in on shitting on the PT, but so did the mainstream media. Prequel hate was everywhere. But the sequels? Not a fuckin' thing.

Them hating Rogue One is still baffling to me though. They're all bad movies. I do remember Kevin Smith seeing TPM early and writing about how he cried and clapped because he loved it so much though. I wonder what changed.

The Mandalorian, Rogue One, and Book of Boba Fett, flaws and all, were radically different takes to Star Wars than the Sequels and proof that Star Wars isn't creatively bankrupt.

I very much disagree. All three of those (especially RO) are the equivalent of Star Wars porno. You don't watch it for the plot (if you say you do frankly you're kidding yourself), you watch them to get horny and jack off (to callbacks references). Mando S1 is the closest to being "good", but they took a shit on it with S2.

I'll take a real unpopular opinion and say The Phantom Menace is vastly superior to any Disney Trilogy movie.

Eh TPM is a mediocre kids film but still way more interesting than the sequels comparatively. It also doesn't directly shit all over the OT characters in the same way the sequels do.

>Luke, did I ever tell you how I defeated the most powerful swordsman of our era - your father - just last week? He was at my mercy, I could have stopped it all right there and then, probably would have saved Alderaan as well, but I chose to walk away. He was a good friend.

>Luke did I ever tell you about Reva? She was a little kid that your father tried to murder, but she survived and grew up to be his enforcer while genociding the Jedi. However, it was all just a 10 year plan to kill him. You'd think she could kill him hundreds of times, but she committed to the role 100%. Your twin sister was captured by her to lure me there, and when I rescued her she tried to stop me, but then it turns out she was tracking my ship so it all according to keikaku. Then she tracked me to this other planet, and I figured out she wanted Darth Vader dead. She and I lured Vader, that is your father Anakin Skywalker remember, to be alone to ambush, but she failed miserably and Vader stabbed her again in the exact same way. Again, she survived somehow, but decided to take revenge by killing you. She attacked your farm, but your aunt and uncle fought her off while you escaped. She followed you and knocked you out, but then showed mercy in her last moment. Oh right that was only 9 years ago, you probably remember her well. She was a good friend, and a nice piece of ebony ass. But that's a story for another time. Anyway, after I started my day drinking again I got to talk to my old master's ghost. She was a good friend.

>Luke, did I ever tell you about Lola? She was your sister's droid, from whom she was inseparable during her youth. I first became aware of her when I rescued Leia during her childhood after she was kidnapped by the Inquisitors, a group of ruthless Jedi hunters. Lola was used by the Third Sister, Reva, to track us, leading to the deaths of numerous Rebel fighters. Over the course of our journey, Leia and I became as close as family, which made her unaffected reaction to my passing on the Death Star quite unusual. She was a good droid.

>Luke did I ever tell you that 11 years before you became a Jedi I fought a black queen sith and darth Vader again while hanging out with your sister and 9 years before you became a Jedi darth maul with robot legs returned to fight me once more? I wonder what’ll happen 5 years before you become a Jedi.

>Luke, did I ever tell you the story when I had a training session with your father? It was a duel and the rules were simple: whoever disarms the opponet first wins. Your father won, but I cheated, so I declared myself a winner and I told him he is gonna suck forever cause he played nice. Whatever, later I cut off his arm and legs and let him burn. Later when he became the second most evil person in the galaxy we had a rematch where I defeated him again. Instead of killing him and saving millions of life across the galaxy I decided to walk away, cause he was a good friend.


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Based, please show this to every clown who thought Kenobi was going to be any good.

I remember seeing here people talking about Kathleen Kennedy and how she actually seems to have been competent in the past. This makes me wonder whether she is a clear example of the Dilbert Principle?

From what I understand she had little to no real sway over the creative decisions made to the movies she produced, especially the ones she produced with her husband Frank Marshall. She was there to manage the money and the crew, not write the story, and that's what she hated the most.

Man, the prequel hatred really aged very poorly.

I love Clerks but it's funny seeing Randall's arguments against TPM being presented as le epic pwns but in reality make him look like he didn't pay attention the movie.

Its actually is rather symbolic over how SPOILED the 80/90's generations were, constantly looking for things to complain about when some actual REAL bad times were just around the corner.

To be fair, people had no idea just how much worse Hollywood movies were gonna get. Now all they want is movies and characters they grew up with to come back.

 

[Cactuar King]

@Sneed F91 Does Kevin Smith just cry and clap at every Star Wars movie? Because he did the same for that piece of shit Rise of Skywalker.

 

[Akumaten]

The prequels are actually an interesting tale about the decay of democracy and how evil people take advantage of the situation to assume total power for themselves. Same goes for the Jedi Order that grew so stagnated and comfortable on their cradle of power. On the macro scale, the prequels are genius.

Someone gets it.
Also the "fans" complaining that the Jedi are not runing around like superheros. Even shown in ROTJ, Jedi are space mediators who would rather use diplomacy before getting into "aggressive negotiations". "Oh Anakin and the Jedi talk weird" despite they have to be clear and calm dealing with multitudes of alien civilizations. I said it before and will say it again, the "fans" have a Sith-like mentality.

 

[starborn427614]

Someone gets it.
Also the "fans" complaining that the Jedi are not runing around like superheros. Even shown in ROTJ, Jedi are space mediators who would rather use diplomacy before getting into "aggressive negotiations". "Oh Anakin and the Jedi talk weird" despite they have to be clear and calm dealing with multitudes of alien civilizations. I said it before and will say it again, the "fans" have a Sith-like mentality.

Imagine if they actually made a trilogy about Luke horribly misinterpreting the Jedi dogma of that era, alienating Ben and having to redeem himself by the end. You know, an actually decent version of what we got.