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Also the "fans" complaining that the Jedi are not runing around like superheros.
But the fans also hated them jumping and running around and spinning their lightsabers at the same time
Imagine if they actually made a trilogy about Luke horribly misinterpreting the Jedi dogma of that era, alienating Ben and having to redeem himself by the end. You know, an actually decent version of what we got.
They'd still have to explain where Snookie and the First Order came from. That and they'd never let Luke get in the way of Rey saving the entire universe singlehandedly.
 
Luke still being a dumbass and fuckup
That's what Disney is for.
starborn427614 said:
Still misinterpreting the jedi way, still failing at family, and not improving upon the flaws of the prequel era jedi and building up a proper new order in the face of imperial remnant and superstitious adversity
See above.
starborn427614 said:
Ben-Ben Solo
No. And the only "Ben"s are "Old Ben" Kenobi and Ben Skywalker.
 
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I like Clerks too (I used to do so more until Kevin showed who he was) but the arguments he threw are very easily debunkable even with just Ep 1 in mind.
It just makes him look extremely petty and infantile...then again, thats what most of the prequel hatred ultimately came down to.

Infantile pettiness.

Even with its clunky directing and cringe-worthy dialogue, it’s got a way more interesting plot synopsis than the entire What If Trilogy.

Hell, even with its flaws, you can’t deny their originality and imagination.

Even at their worst, the prequels are about the decay of democracies and the rise of empires that take their place when the people themselves beg for an easy solution (which, you know, is all over history, especially Rome). It doesnt help we are experiencing it ourselves...we didnt get to the emperialism phase (yet...or at least outright being declared).

Someone gets it.
Also the "fans" complaining that the Jedi are not runing around like superheros. Even shown in ROTJ, Jedi are space mediators who would rather use diplomacy before getting into "aggressive negotiations". "Oh Anakin and the Jedi talk weird" despite they have to be clear and calm dealing with multitudes of alien civilizations. I said it before and will say it again, the "fans" have a Sith-like mentality.

Because they didnt really get what the Jedi are all about. They are inspired by several things, like monks and midevil knights but they all have one thing in common. They are suppose to be honorable, wise and only raise their swords once there is no other choice and/or the enemy tries to strike first.

They ask, why Qui-gon just couldnt cut down Watto and free the slaves. Because thats not how it realistically works. Not only it wouldnt end slavery, but it would make the local powers very fucking pissed at the Jedi and the government institution they are meant to represent. Qui-Gon only "won" because he played off Watto's hubris and "cheated" a bit to get what he wanted (tho you can make the argument cheating cheaters, which Im sure Watto also was, isnt so bad than to cheat an honest person).

The Jedi are not super heroes and they were never meant to be. They arent there to solve ALL of the problems of the galaxy, simply to help out. It is for the REPUBLIC to solve the slavery problem, which, as we have seen, is falling apart due to dysfunctional levels of internal corruption and self interest (so amazing how its just all starting to feel so close to home now, huh?).

Hell, even super heroes, at their most basic, are not cops, are not jury and much less executioners. People complain that heroes always let criminals and villains live...and thats the problem...heroes arent the ones to do that. All they do is a service to the public (simply because it was the right thing) and let the system decide what to do with them. When a villain keeps coming back (outside of Joker immunity), its the fault of the system rather than the hero.



I legit dont know what people want of heroes these days, hell, I dont know even if our definition of hero is the same as theirs.
 
I hate to quote the orange Feloni waifu but when Vader said that Anakin is dead and he killed him, Obi-wan should have said "Then I will avenge my apprentice" and stabbed Vader in the face (not the chest because everyone just tends to survive those in this series)
Please don't feed the loweffort gimmick trolls.

Even with its clunky directing and cringe-worthy dialogue, it’s got a way more interesting plot synopsis than the entire What If Trilogy.

Hell, even with its flaws, you can’t deny their originality and imagination.
I will die on the hill that TPM was a wasted episode number, and in a very real sense we should have never had the Prequels to keep the mystery. That said...

Even with TPM wasting a whole movie of a trilogy, the Prequels would be easily saved with some dialogue changes and better direction choices. They are good movies, with a plan, that were executed poorly.

The sequels are unsalvageable without major, major rewrites. Basically, making them new films completely unrecognizable to the mess they are now. Plan 9 shows us that not even months of reshoots can save a Didney release. There was no plan, no vision.

Also inb4 Banana Time

Wow. This is an incredibly stupid and surprising move. I was almost certain they were going to pick the lesbian executive. On the bright side, with him at the helm, at least we're guaranteed that Disney will continue getting cheaper while being run by an even more incompetent fuck up for years to come who will keep sinking Disney into shambles if were lucky.

I mean, let's face it, the only other alternative was that fart huffeer Peter Rice and that lesbian executive and they were just Iger 2.0 but more woke who would've probably just kept Disney in a sort of stable zone of apathetic content. At least with Chapek it just means worse days for Disney ahead with a moron at the helm who keeps shooting himself in the foot through PR and management. If it leads to more losses for Disney, I welcome it. The bastard is so cheap he may hopefully start downsizing. That along with the recent mockery of extreme adult disney fans on social media is a rather pleasant turn of events, in a sad and uneventful sort of way.
Disney is trying to not piss off Florida any more than they already have, and probably don't trust the token bulldyke to able to play diplomat with DeSantis/not dig the hole deeper in a fit of pique.

Also, maybe personal myopia, I've seen a lot of companies doing everything possible to calm employees and investors by not making any big changes to leadership. Chapek was at the wheel when Mando, the only thing that wasn't 100% rancid feces to come out of LucasFilm since the buy out, dropped so he's probably getting a reprieve.
 
Disney is trying to not piss off Florida any more than they already have
The funny thing is after the "don't say gay bill" (what a dumb name) they kept the lesbian kiss scene in that stupid Buzz Lightyear movie because taking it out would make them look like hypocrites after all the LGBTABCDEFG pandering they did, even though they've done it in the past *cough* rise of skywalker *cough*, which cost them profits from China and the entire middle east. Now they're getting BTFO by Top Gun.
I will die on the hill that TPM was a wasted episode number, and in a very real sense we should have never had the Prequels to keep the mystery.
TPM could have been a flashback in AOTC, but George doesn't like flashbacks and he's not lazy like JJ and Rian when it comes to that stuff. Seeing flashbacks in the sequels was so jarring.
Plan 9 shows us that not even months of reshoots can save a Didney release.
Reshoots are pointless when you have to follow up a pile of garbage like TLJ, which followed up another pile of garbage. The story was always terrible from the very beginning.
 
"You know, unfortunately, it's just, it was Solo that changed the direction of the system. I like Solo, personally, but it hadn't made a lot of money. It is crazy in some ways to think about it, how it [was directed by one] of the best filmmakers working today. But, just because it didn't hit a certain number, they just had to rethink."

"I am not sure why it failed we had all the right people with the all right credentials it was a home run. No one could see this coming."

There is no fixing this. They have not just put out terrible movies and series now, they have annihilated the original trilogy and those characters in the process. Completely demolished it.

Disney is trapped now. They have spent so much on Star Wars that they have to keep churning out content and merchandise. The fact that it's a franchise with one overarching story means that they cannot pivot or abandon Star Wars either, they have to keep going. Consider what the shareholder response would be if they had to put the brakes on everything to reset with new management and new creative direction. Their pipeline of shows and content is the equivalent of a sales pipeline. They have announced all of it publicly. This is why its all going to go straight onto Disney+ where shareholders cannot get any real visibility over performance like they would with box office numbers. They are just going to kick the can down the road for as long as they can and keep churning out this garbage because they have no choice now.

Star Wars has become a bottomless pit for Disey, and I have had no idea how the execs overseeing Star Wars and the team under Kathleen Kennedy there have managed to hold onto their jobs. However the more you look at their situation, the more you realize that they probably can't move these people out. That would signal that Disney does believe there is a huge problem with Star Wars, the content Kennedy has coming and the state of the franchise overall. The smart thing to do would be for the Disney people to take their licks and fire these people with a hard reset, but then you remember that these are managers focused on their careers and bonuses and there is no way they looking at anything long term.
 
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Please don't feed the loweffort gimmick trolls.


I will die on the hill that TPM was a wasted episode number, and in a very real sense we should have never had the Prequels to keep the mystery. That said...

Even with TPM wasting a whole movie of a trilogy, the Prequels would be easily saved with some dialogue changes and better direction choices. They are good movies, with a plan, that were executed poorly.

The sequels are unsalvageable without major, major rewrites. Basically, making them new films completely unrecognizable to the mess they are now. Plan 9 shows us that not even months of reshoots can save a Didney release. There was no plan, no vision.

Also inb4 Banana Time


Disney is trying to not piss off Florida any more than they already have, and probably don't trust the token bulldyke to able to play diplomat with DeSantis/not dig the hole deeper in a fit of pique.

Also, maybe personal myopia, I've seen a lot of companies doing everything possible to calm employees and investors by not making any big changes to leadership. Chapek was at the wheel when Mando, the only thing that wasn't 100% rancid feces to come out of LucasFilm since the buy out, dropped so he's probably getting a reprieve.
Honestly, I don't think Chapek is at fault for a lot of Disney's current problems. He's just stuck holding the bag and doesn't really have the force of will to shut down the SJW activists in his company. Which I can sympathize, HR is always a cancer on large companies filled with SJW activists making all kinds of ridiculous policies that make it hard for people to work together. I hold him responsible for not telling his employees to go fuck themselves and get back to work, not these series of green-lit productions that are about the Message first and entertainment third. Second place goes to virtue signaling.
Reshoots are pointless when you have to follow up a pile of garbage like TLJ, which followed up another pile of garbage. The story was always terrible from the very beginning.
Eh, I'm of the opinion that even TLJ could have been salvaged if the main OC characters were allowed to grow beyond the traits they started with. The problem is JJ is not good at character writing. I'm so convinced of it that I'm sure he stole Regarding Henry from a classmate. His later work does not reflect or show evolution from that script. All his stories are about some special effects cataclysm and the spectacle is what drives his stories, not his characters, plots, or even themes. That's the most baffling thing I find in the Sequels regardless of the Star Wars brand; the utter lack of character writing and development. That is a basic creative writing skill.
 
Unless its the version for China or a Muslim majority country, you mean.
It's supposedly "in question" for a Chinese release.
The film was banned in the Arab world (including Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria and the United Arab Emirates) and Malaysia,[69][70][71] due to a scene featuring a same-sex kiss between Uzo Aduba's female character Alisha Hawthorne and her partner.[72] The People's Republic of China also requested that the scene in question be removed.[73][74] Indonesia stated that they did not ban the film, "but suggested the owner of the movie think about their audience in Indonesia where an LGBT kissing scene is still considered sensitive."[71]
They can't remove it without looking homophobic, but the movie is a box office bomb so they need all the money they can get so they'd be smart to put it in China. But as of now they haven't removed the scene and China hasn't approved it.
Eh, I'm of the opinion that even TLJ could have been salvaged if the main OC characters were allowed to grow beyond the traits they started with. The problem is JJ is not good at character writing. I'm so convinced of it that I'm sure he stole Regarding Henry from a classmate. His later work does not reflect or show evolution from that script. All his stories are about some special effects cataclysm and the spectacle is what drives his stories, not his characters, plots, or even themes. That's the most baffling thing I find in the Sequels regardless of the Star Wars brand; the utter lack of character writing and development. That is a basic creative writing skill.
My problem is the sequel characters stopped progressing halfway through TFA. Rey was established as a Mary Sue who learned the force in a day. Finn has ZERO conflict about defecting after the first act and acts like a buffoon/simp the entire time. Poe is "Han Solo Lite", and who the hell knows what Kylo is supposed to be. JJ is interesting because he's clearly gotten worse as a filmmaker as time goes on. He stopped trying after he realized people will clap at references and big special effects over a good story. TLJ would have to be a soft reboot of TFA in order to work, but a lot of it just doubled down on the stupidity.
 
It's supposedly "in question" for a Chinese release.

They can't remove it without looking homophobic, but the movie is a box office bomb so they need all the money they can get so they'd be smart to put it in China. But as of now they haven't removed the scene and China hasn't approved it.

My problem is the sequel characters stopped progressing halfway through TFA. Rey was established as a Mary Sue who learned the force in a day. Finn has ZERO conflict about defecting after the first act and acts like a buffoon/simp the entire time. Poe is "Han Solo Lite", and who the hell knows what Kylo is supposed to be. JJ is interesting because he's clearly gotten worse as a filmmaker as time goes on. He stopped trying after he realized people will clap at references and big special effects over a good story. TLJ would have to be a soft reboot of TFA in order to work, but a lot of it just doubled down on the stupidity.
The more I look at Luke willing to kill Kylo Ren, the more I think that it fits Han's character a lot better. Han is the cynic who only partially believes in the Force because his friend seems to be able to do it. He's not really a "Redemption at all costs" kind of character. But because Harrison Ford noped out of Star Wars for the foreseeable future, they couldn't use him and making Leia willing to kill her own son would make her utterly irredeemable, so they have Luke do it; the one character that would not under any circumstances.
 
The more I look at Luke willing to kill Kylo Ren, the more I think that it fits Han's character a lot better. Han is the cynic who only partially believes in the Force because his friend seems to be able to do it. He's not really a "Redemption at all costs" kind of character. But because Harrison Ford noped out of Star Wars for the foreseeable future, they couldn't use him and making Leia willing to kill her own son would make her utterly irredeemable, so they have Luke do it; the one character that would not under any circumstances.
Han should have progressed as a character since ROTJ, but he didn't. I can't buy that he'd walk up to his own son in an attempt to "bring him back to the light" *autism sigh* without doing something in-character like having a backup plan or clever trick up his sleeve. He just died like a complete idiot and that's the best they could do for such an iconic character. I think Han would only kill him as a last resort. The whole set up feels so forced.
 
Han should have progressed as a character since ROTJ, but he didn't. I can't buy that he'd walk up to his own son in an attempt to "bring him back to the light" *autism sigh* without doing something in-character like having a backup plan or clever trick up his sleeve. He just died like a complete idiot and that's the best they could do for such an iconic character. I think Han would only kill him as a last resort. The whole set up feels so forced.
It’s not just Han. Luke and Leia should have progressed as characters since ROTJ. I can’t buy into their shitty excuses to why they let Crylo fuck the Galaxy over for no reason.
 
Han should have progressed as a character since ROTJ, but he didn't. I can't buy that he'd walk up to his own son in an attempt to "bring him back to the light" *autism sigh* without doing something in-character like having a backup plan or clever trick up his sleeve. He just died like a complete idiot and that's the best they could do for such an iconic character. I think Han would only kill him as a last resort. The whole set up feels so forced.
That's fair. I'm just saying that if they had to have a scene like that, they chose the exact wrong character to do it with and regular people that aren't Jay Bauman picked up on that bullshit immediately.
 
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That's fair. I'm just saying that if they had to have a scene like that, they chose the exact wrong character to do it with and regular people that aren't Jay Bauman picked up on that bullshit immediately.
Jay was too awestruck by Daisy Ridley's charisma to pick up on things like that.
It’s not just Han. Luke and Leia should have progressed as characters since ROTJ. I can’t buy into their shitty excuses to why they let Crylo fuck the Galaxy over for no reason.
At least the Kenobi show established how much of a worthless fuck up Luke always was, while Leia was a failure at life who never really failed at anything considering how much the men around her screwed everything up, and she was the real last Jedi the entire time.

btw did you know Luke sucks?
 
it actually worth anything
RLM's takes on Star Wars are honestly pretty milquetoast, the best thing they have is the Plinkett reviews of TPM & AotC because those films are still completely riddled with problems but everything else just betrays the fact that they don't care about the films beyond them being a solid trilogy of action-adventure films from their childhoods whilst discounting all the deeper aspects. They'll probably say that Empire is the best film in the franchise, which is all you need to know on the matter.

Also, looks like the stupid fucking Star Wars Hotel is selling a $5,000 cocktail. What's in it? Fuck knows!
 
"You know, unfortunately, it's just, it was Solo that changed the direction of the system. I like Solo, personally, but it hadn't made a lot of money. It is crazy in some ways to think about it, how it [was directed by one] of the best filmmakers working today. But, just because it didn't hit a certain number, they just had to rethink."

"I am not sure why it failed we had all the right people with the all right credentials it was a home run. No one could see this coming."

There is no fixing this. They have not just put out terrible movies and series now, they have annihilated the original trilogy and those characters in the process. Completely demolished it.

Disney is trapped now. They have spent so much on Star Wars that they have to keep churning out content and merchandise. The fact that it's a franchise with one overarching story means that they cannot pivot or abandon Star Wars either, they have to keep going. Consider what the shareholder response would be if they had to put the brakes on everything to reset with new management and new creative direction. Their pipeline of shows and content is the equivalent of a sales pipeline. They have announced all of it publicly. This is why its all going to go straight onto Disney+ where shareholders cannot get any real visibility over performance like they would with box office numbers. They are just going to kick the can down the road for as long as they can and keep churning out this garbage because they have no choice now.

Star Wars has become a bottomless pit for Disey, and I have had no idea how the execs overseeing Star Wars and the team under Kathleen Kennedy there have managed to hold onto their jobs. However the more you look at their situation, the more you realize that they probably can't move these people out. That would signal that Disney does believe there is a huge problem with Star Wars, the content Kennedy has coming and the state of the franchise overall. The smart thing to do would be for the Disney to take their licks and fire these people with a hard reset, but then you remember that these are managers focused on their careers and bonuses and there is no way they looking at anything long term.

Luke blew up the death star. Han blew up Disney.
 
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