Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[ICametoLurk]

That was one of the things (among many) that bugged me about the sequels is the lack of creativity regarding the aliens.
They're very bland and nothing stands out (should tell you about the creative bankruptcy at Disney-owned Lucasfilm).
At least the aliens in the OT & PT grabbed your attention when you saw them. The Mos Eisley Cantina scene is the most notable.
And I don't even remember the ST ships' designs since they just aped the OT ships with the excuse "Well, we still use 30-40-year-old designs for our ships, so it makes sense if the factions in Star Wars do, too."
These people do not know fantasy or escapism.
What people would have liked was a passing of the torch to a new generation that pays homage to the old while telling a new tale with a new threat. They couldn't even do that!
At least Top Gun did it right.

oh wow, another earth-toned, squinty-eyed featureless blob, bravo disney!

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Can we get into discussion about how the music in all of these Disney wars projects aren't memorable and generic MCU capeshit noise? I mean rogue one did have a few notable themes, along with some of John Williams work with the sequels but otherwise what are we trying to expect out of modern composition these days. Lack of themes, reframes, poor mixing? Who's the catalyst?

I blame Hans Zimmer. Why him? Because every modern composer apes his style of composition, especially Steve Jablonsky. Hollywood composers are no longer inspired by Chopin, Wagner, or Beethoven. Combined with directors editing to the temp tracks they picked in the editing bay, modern composers are stuck making similar-sounding songs.

In John Williams' case, he has to be inspired by himself in the Sequels. Also, imagine you're him and you're talking to JJ or Rian Johnson as they explain scenes to you. Plinkett test: explain Rey without describing her occupation, looks, or calling her a Mary Sue. Binary Sunset works because that's a song about Luke's desires. I'm not even sure Rey's theme fits Rey as a character. I know Rich Evans couldn't remember it.

 

[starborn427614]

Can we get into discussion about how the music in all of these Disney wars projects aren't memorable and generic MCU capeshit noise? I mean rogue one did have a few notable themes, along with some of John Williams work with the sequels but otherwise what are we trying to expect out of modern composition these days. Lack of themes, reframes, poor mixing? Being recorded digitally instead of analog? Who's the catalyst?

Mando's composer does good work, but I can't remember anything from the films.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Flashbacks aren't the best, but all important elements from TPM could have been covered in some dialogue in AotC. Let AotC be Episode I, then chunk the best of the Clone Wars Filonifest into Episode II, then Episode III can be as it stands with some tweaks. Still not really good movies, but from this point I think the needed fixes become less drastic.

Disagree TPM is important, George wanted to show that even someone like Darth Vader had innocent humble beginnings as a child. His life in slavery and fear and attachment to his mom is the set up to Anakin slowly becoming Darth Vader.
TPM also sets off Plapatine's first step to gaining power to eventually become the Emperor of the Galactic Empire. It introduces Padme, and Qui-Gon as an idealistic jedi. Gui-Gon's death is alos important as Anakin loses a father figure he eventually has Plapatine slide in in being one to him. TPM was a story that George wanted to make.

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oh wow, another earth-toned, squinty-eyed featureless blob, bravo disney!

Not to mention that those Prequel aliens were actual characters in the movies and the ones that were not, the EU made them one.
In the sequel trilogy, Maz and maybe that alien that Simon Pegg played were characters. And I don't think even the disney EU ever expanded on any of them.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

Can we get into discussion about how the music in all of these Disney wars projects aren't memorable and generic MCU capeshit noise? I mean rogue one did have a few notable themes, along with some of John Williams work with the sequels but otherwise what are we trying to expect out of modern composition these days. Lack of themes, reframes, poor mixing? Being recorded digitally instead of analog? Who's the catalyst?

I genuinely can't remember any of the music from Disneywars, but I know the names of several tracks from both the OT and the PT. It's not the most fair comparison if I'm being completely objective, I suppose. The OT has had decades for its music to get everywhere, and the PT has some absolute standout bangers that make up for its relative lack of time. Soy Wars music just hasn't had the time, nor does it have anything to grab you besides the ghosts of music from better films.

Speaking of music and Disney era stuff, here's a fun thing that makes me want to play TIE Fighter:

 

[XYZpdq]

Can we get into discussion about how the music in all of these Disney wars projects aren't memorable and generic MCU capeshit noise? I mean rogue one did have a few notable themes, along with some of John Williams work with the sequels but otherwise what are we trying to expect out of modern composition these days. Lack of themes, reframes, poor mixing? Being recorded digitally instead of analog? Who's the catalyst?

I recall something about them not letting Williams actually see the stuff he was scoring

 

[Nigger Respecter]

I was trying to figure out what was "off" about the Kenobi series but I think I figured it out.

The Mandalorian worked so well because it was aping the idea of Star Wars '77: a contemporary sci-fi take on old pulpy genres. For Lucas, he did it with Flash Gordon and Kurosawa shit etc etc. For Mando, Jon Favreau did it with westerns and old TV action serials, many of which would be unbearably cheesy to watch now. But taking the spirit of those shows and making premiere high-budget productions out of them in this giant universe worked very well. Mando is the first Star Wars property since Empire, IMO, that actually felt like its own unique interesting "thing."

And what did the Kenobi show do? It tried to ape Mandalorian! Much like the sequel trilogy was trying to copy Lucas's copying, Chow tried to copy Favreau's TV show. So now it's a copy of a copy of a copy of a etc. As a result, the show feels very weirdly hollow and is just missing....something. It's entertaining, yet also insufferably boring. It has high production values at times yet also feels impossibly cheap in other scenes.

It feels like the world's most expensive school play. No one involved cares at all about the story or characters, they're just performing their role as instructed, from the director down to the actors and post-production crew. Everyone was assigned a task and they technically did them well. That's just how Disney is going to be from now on.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Vindication feels good. Should I get Bounty Hunter Wars? I was pretty iffy on it since I never had any special attachment to Boba as a character, but I always need more stuff to read.

If you liked stuff like Shadows of the Empire (i.e., bounty hunter action with a fine layer of 90's cheese), I think you'll like The Bounty Hunter Wars. Some stuff in there's a bit weird, but that's what comes with a lot of early EU material written in a time when the Prequels were years away, and finer details about the universe hadn't been established yet, and might come off as a bit apocryphal (people who have read the old Brian Daley Han Solo Adventures know what I'm talking about).

Above all else, the books are fun romps into the criminal underworld, and Boba is depicted as a cold-blooded mercenary badass, as God intended. If you want to read the prelude that explains how he survived the Sarlacc Pit, I recommend the short story A Barve Like That: The Tale of Boba Fett, since it explains how he got out.

If you want to read what Boba does after the events of Bounty Hunter Wars, he next pops up in Dark Empire, to settle his score with Han Solo.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I recall something about them not letting Williams actually see the stuff he was scoring

Which would make the problems I said much worse. Star Wars score in particular is sync'd to the moment it plays at. Luke looks out at the sunset, the music swells, for example. The function of score in these movies is to reveal the character's emotional state at that moment. But if he wasn't allowed to score it to the second, JJ must've figured that he could edit the score so that he could get those highs and lows in post. Which probably made those songs sounds choppy.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Mando's composer does good work, but I can't remember anything from the films.

When you're talking about the films you're talking about the Disney movies right?

 

[starborn427614]

When you're talking about the films you're talking about the Disney movies right?

Absolutely, yes.

 

[Ghostse]

It's the worst of the actual SW movies. AotC at least drives the overall story forward, for all its flaws. What do you miss when you skip straight to AotC? Anakin comes from sand hell, loves his mommy, and is the Chosen One, maybe.]

I think TPM is a better movie, but AotC - shit about Sand included - feels more like a star wars film.

Not sure if it posted here, but here's some fan edit of Obi-Wan monologue from New Hope.

And he was a good friend.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Can we get into discussion about how the music in all of these Disney wars projects aren't memorable and generic MCU capeshit noise? I mean rogue one did have a few notable themes, along with some of John Williams work with the sequels but otherwise what are we trying to expect out of modern composition these days. Lack of themes, reframes, poor mixing? Being recorded digitally instead of analog? Who's the catalyst?

They had John Williams do the soundtrack and, yet, they are so creatively bankrupt that they couldn't convey to him memorable motifs or tracks in any of the sequels.

I recall something about them not letting Williams actually see the stuff he was scoring

Now I wonder if it was just laziness.

 

[Creep3r]

Also, looks like the stupid fucking Star Wars Hotel is selling a $5,000 cocktail. What's in it? Fuck knows!

You get a cup-sized drink served in even smaller cups that just tastes like your standard "gourmet" martini with supposedly expensive ingredients that do nothing to enhance the flavor and the only notable thing about it is that they served it inside a butchered memory core which disney shamelessly retconned into a lunchbox storage unit that can double as an ice cream maker for the sake of some gay meta humor on the origins of the prop.

The main gimmick is that "you're not paying for a drink, you're paying for an authentic SW experience". This reeks of Chapek money grubbing and a bunch of faux twitter nerds are acting as if this is part of some deep in-universe lore experience despite literally being something they pulled out of their ass to make money off the failing hotel. Its so incredibly stupid how they not only failed at creating a decent star wars park and hotel, but decided to make it all just one big draw for alcoholics and instagram influencers rather than kids. I mean that's all I ever hear about these gay ass Disney Wars parks, that they have a lot of bars and alcoholic beverages and whenever I see some tard talking about it on instagram, they're just flaunting some $100 dollar fuzzy navel you can get at the park rather than anything else that's actually SW related.

To add insult to injury the name they use for it is the original spelling of the artifact known as the Kaiburr crystal (not Furloni's substitute name for lightsaber crystals (as kyber was just one type of crystal, not the name for the whole bunch) and memory cores), which was not only the main focus of the second SW novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Dark Horse comics and one of the most important religious relics in galactic mythology, but in the original first draft of The Star Wars that gave rise to the franchise, the Force was something that no one could access unless they had a talisman made from kaiburr/kiber crystals, and obtaining the last one that the Empire possessed was one if its central plot points for Skywalker and Starkiller and their infiltration of the crystal chambers. Its original purpose was later dropped after George realized that putting focus on the crystal took away focus from the heroes and their growth. Despite this, George still incorporated it in his potential sequel script for ANH in case it flopped at the box office which was then adapted into Splinter of the Mind's Eye by Foster, where it no longer acts as a source of Force power but rather as an enhancer for one's latent abilities, even giving alien natives the power to heal, and when splintered could even be used as the most effective core for a lightsaber.

So they bring the old name of this sacred relic back, and for what? An overpriced corporate cashgrab in the form of a martini meant to prey on retarded consoomers. Hell some of them even want to buy this thing just for the hope that they can resell the shitty container despite that not being guaranteed and that it would be cheaper just to modify an old ice cream maker.

 

[Mega Black]

A lot of these problems and others pointed out in this thread, these signs point to a series that was incredibly rushed, despite its massive budget

Having to reshoot the entire thing to add more nigger power fantasy and women to save Obi Blunder Kenobi will do that.

Another issue I've had with Disney's Star Wars shit is its absolute inability to move on from OT iconography. The sequels were just original series designs with some slight editing, the prequel stuff is condensed entirely to five second flashbacks or animation, it's time to move on. I'm sick of dusty shithole planets and peanut faced aliens, jump six hundred years into the future with a new high republic and a more developed galaxy or go back to the KOTOR Era. Anything other than mote baby yeeds and Tatooine.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Just in case it wasn't blindingly obvious, but we've reached the point where Disney SW Media is so creatively bankrupt that they've moved from recycling shit from the classic films, to recycling shit from the EU...to now, as a last pathetic resort, ripping shit off from other Disney SW Media that's barely a few years old.

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[starborn427614]

Just in case it wasn't blindingly obvious, but we've reached the point where Disney SW Media is so creatively bankrupt that they've moved from recycling shit from the classic films, to recycling shit from the EU...to now, as a last pathetic resort, ripping shit off from other Disney SW Media that's barely a few years old.

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They want Star Wars to be the MCU so badly, but it just doesn't have the amount of content to work with that those Marvel films do. If only there was some sort of...expanded universe in which to draw ideas from. That would help a lot.

 

[Sneed F91]

Just in case it wasn't blindingly obvious, but we've reached the point where Disney SW Media is so creatively bankrupt that they've moved from recycling shit from the classic films, to recycling shit from the EU...to now, as a last pathetic resort, ripping shit off from other Disney SW Media that's barely a few years old.

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Filoni's been copying himself since the first fucking Clone Wars movie from 2008. Remember the fetch quest for Jabba's son?


And the fight between Crylo and Jake is a straight ripoff of the Vader and Kenobi fight from ANH and it serves the same purpose in the story.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

If you liked stuff like Shadows of the Empire (i.e., bounty hunter action with a fine layer of 90's cheese), I think you'll like The Bounty Hunter Wars. Some stuff in there's a bit weird, but that's what comes with a lot of early EU material written in a time when the Prequels were years away, and finer details about the universe hadn't been established yet, and might come off as a bit apocryphal (people who have read the old Brian Daley Han Solo Adventures know what I'm talking about).

Above all else, the books are fun romps into the criminal underworld, and Boba is depicted as a cold-blooded mercenary badass, as God intended.

Man, I'm not just one of the people that read Han Solo Adventures, I'm one of the like five people in the world who've read (and loved) the Lando Calrissian Adventures. I'm inured to proto-EU weirdness. To be fair though, even at its weirdest HSA comes off as way more Star Wars-y than LCA. The Corporate Sector is just inherently more Star Wars, I guess. But yeah, looks like I'm picking up more literature.

I think TPM is a better movie, but AotC - shit about Sand included - feels more like a star wars film.

TPM is better paced, though that's a relative statement. AotC, for all its dragging in the middle, spends much more of its runtime on advancing the actual overarching plot. That's why I like it more.

To add insult to injury the name they use for it is the original spelling of the artifact known as the Kaiburr crystal (not Furloni's substitute name for lightsaber crystals (as kyber was just one type of crystal, not the name for the whole bunch)

God I hate the condensing of complex lore stuff. How the EU had lightsaber crystals was fun and interesting and left a ton of room for special snowflakes of all shapes and sizes to have a hyper-unique saber. I guess that's what happens when you work lore backwards from video game mechanics instead of towards park attraction mechanics.

the prequel stuff is condensed entirely to five second flashbacks or animation, it's time to move on

It's really ironic that they're so embarrassed of the PT considering how their shit is a tire fire that makes even Legacy era EU content look not so bad. I get it, pissy nerds said that Lucas ruined their childhoods with his awful no-good prequels. Now the internet has gaslit itself into loving them and yet we're still pandering to the angry Star Wars nerd circa 2008.

 

[Cactuar King]

Filoni's been copying himself since the first fucking Clone Wars movie from 2008. Remember the fetch quest for Jabba's son?

That son who hasn't shown up once since that crappy movie and may as well not exist.