The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

No woman is going to do that, though. It's an invasive procedure.

millions do it most of the time to use it as birth control. The ones that don't understand how invasive procedures work get their uterus fucked up so hard they become sterile(not the good kind) or have to have a good amount of their insides removed due to infection. Just simply abstain. It's not hard to control your natural urges unless you're a mouth drooler that legally can't be put in a classroom. Why abstain? mainly because you're going to rerun through the same script when wombo combo's of contraceptives, gay butt sex, and pulling out are brought up

>INB4 christuckery seethe for no reason but to derail

>INB4 other strawmaning then getting assblassted when strawmaned

<INB4 Jannie arrival due to pure unfiltered Seetheinium 315 radicals when strawman isotope -3 is administered to the non-radioactive Copium 400 luckily the mine crew has Dilatetrogen to run through the air to bong to the element to keep frens safe

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

You mention taking a shit and diapers a lot, though. It was just a vague observation.

But again, people are gonna fuck. You may not like. You may think because you haven't had sex, that others can control it, but it's a lot harder to do than you think. And birth control can fail. You want to force someone to raise a child because they made a mistake or their birth control failed. You also want to gut welfare programs and are against government-funded healthcare, so you want them to pay out the ass for it, too.

I asked a question. Do you know why people don't piss all over the floor and jerk off whenever they get a biological urge to do so? Apes do it, we don't. Do you know why?

 

[Ghjkl63]

You are forcing them to give birth, though. Your showing your lack of sexual education, here. Birth control fails a lot more than 0.01%. It's more common than you think. Condoms are not even close to that effective. I think the most effective are like 97%, and with millions of people fucking, that's gonna result in a lot of pregnancies still.

It's telling you want to force them to give birth but not pay for it. Again, you're showing your Republican hypocrisy here. You're "pro life" until they're born, then you don't care if they die because of lack of healthcare or money.

This is you:

Except I'm not forcing anyone to give birth neither are any states. and again, abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancies. Keep strawmanning tho surely you'll win us over at some point.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

millions do it most of the time to use it as birth control. The ones that don't understand how invasive procedures work get their uterus fucked up so hard they become sterile(not the good kind) or have to have a good amount of their insides removed due to infection. Just simply abstain. It's not hard to control your natural urges unless you're a mouth drooler that legally can't be put in a classroom. Why abstain? mainly because you're going to rerun through the same script when wombo combo's of contraceptives, gay butt sex, and pulling out are brought up

>INB4 christuckery seethe for no reason but to derail

<RAAAAGE

Lol no they don't, stop spouting that evangelical bs. Just because you are having trouble getting laid doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't be having sex

>seething because he's an incel
>seething because others are having sex
>posting like a poltard because of said inceldom

Except I'm not forcing anyone to give birth neither are any states. and again, abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancies. Keep strawmanning tho surely you'll win us over at some point.

You are forcing pregnant women to have birth, though. What do you think removing their choice for an abortion is doing? Not only that, but you refuse to want to pay for it. I've pointed out your hypocrisy, so unless you have new talking points or an actual defense about your pathetic hypocrisy we're done.

Ironic that the guy strawmanning me is accusing me of strawmanning

I asked a question. Do you know why people don't piss all over the floor and jerk off whenever they get a biological urge to do so? Apes do it, we don't. Do you know why?

You still didn't address my point. I have no idea why you're so obsessed with people shitting themselves but you were doing it in the covid vaccine thread, too.

And sometimes some people can't hold in a shit, so your point isn't even valid. People are going to have sex, even though it makes you upset

 

[Ghjkl63]

You are forcing pregnant women to have birth, though. What do you think removing their choice for an abortion is doing? Not only that, but you refuse to want to pay for it. I've pointed out your hypocrisy, so unless you have new talking points or an actual defense about your pathetic hypocrisy we're done.

Ironic that the guy strawmanning me is accusing me of strawmanning

Again, they still have the choice to, y'know, be abstinent. And to that end, why would or even should I be paying for strangers to get a procedure I don't approve of? Please show the class where I'm being a hypocrite.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

This whole convo about a fetus' worth to life reminded me of a discussion I had with someone about death penalty and murder by personal retribution along self-defence and I came to the conclusion that not all life is equal, not all life is worth saving. If some guy murders someone else's wife and that guy decides to kill that murderer then he should be able to do it without the feds TBH. Here on the farms I've heard countless of times that the police was fucking useless, so why won't we let people just kill the indesirables that will themselves be killing other people just to save lives indirectly? Retard babies and other birth defects are similarly indesirables and I don't think any of them would willingly want to live like this if they were born, then there are those rare cases where the fetus could actually kill the wahmin who's carrying it.

It's also funny to me how hellbent the fundies are defending fetuses while they probably aren't vegan, support gun rights (which is the main reason why North America is the continent with the most school shootings) and are also so Capitalist at heart that they oppose Medicaid and the likes. I'm a Capitalist at heart too, but atleast my views are consistent. Christcuck moralfagging is a mental illness.

I really want people to stop arguing the morals of abortion and instead why it is bad because it isn't all sunshine and rainbows there are actual bad things about abortion like the fact that it can be botched and hurt the woman it was performed on and it affects the economy negatively because of depopulation which it is one of the main factors of the problem.

Contemporary abortion is bad and should be reduced to only birth defects or if the fetus is killing the woman. Anything else should be carried to term and the kid should be given to a foster family, problem solved.
Another thing that would help is not to have recreational sex like holy fuck I'm getting tired of seeing these types of argument ("You just want to punish women for having sex") as much as the fundie sperging.

 

[Ghjkl63]

Always been weird to me how the pro-abortion people always try to argue when exactly a fetus is considered alive while most states consider it a multiple homicide to kill a pregnant woman.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Oh, so you're fine intentionally and recklessly killing people then? I suspect that's only because you want to keep the bodily autonomy that you have, although you don't care about removing women's.

Not getting vaxxed isn't intentionally killing people, there's no premeditation and there's no intent. If someone intentionally attempts to infect a specific person with covid with the express intent of killing them then maybe you got a case, but otherwise no.

So you're fine with removing women's bodily autonomy, but not your own? Got it.

Women have all the bodily autonomy in the world to decide if they want to have sex or not. If they exersise their bodily autonomy to do so and end up pregnant, they don't suddently get the right to commit murder and take away the bodily autonomy of the baby.

People are going to have sex. Getting an abortion is indeed handling the consequences of having sex. Forcing people to raise and pay for a child, especially when you vote against increasing social welfare and healthcare access, is very hypocritical.


You say that you support it, but do you vote for it?

I'm against murdering innocent people. Its not complicated. The discussion of social safety nets is a seperate issue entirely that has nothing to do with being for or against child sacrifice.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

You still didn't address my point. I have no idea why you're so obsessed with people shitting themselves but you were doing it in the covid vaccine thread, too.

And sometimes some people can't hold in a shit, so your point isn't even valid. People are going to have sex, even though it makes you upset

You honestly don't know, is that it? Let me explain. It's a social mechanism called shame.

Throughout human history we as a people have figured out that giving in to certain biological urges such as pissing on the floor, jerking off at inappropriate times, and having sex with partners unsuitable to be parents is detrimental to a functional society and therefore should be discouraged by means of shaming. Different cultures codified it in various ways, whether religious or legal or otherwise. While some took it too far (or not far enough), it more or less functioned until the late 20th century, when fedora-wearing atheists misunderstood shame to be entirely a religious concept and started ignoring it all together, bringing us to this point.

Bring back shaming, I say.

 

[Mr_Sam_Bones]

Let's go about when does life begin, when one achieves personhood? when does a fertilized egg become a human organism and not just a human cell.

-hours after conception the fertilized egg becomes a zygote. There's argument to be made that the zygote is a human cell and not a human organism, but there's arguments to be made that it's a human organism. The zygote corrects damaged DNA and genetic data gets sequenced, then it starts dividing and moving towards the Uterus. At this point it's inconclusive that a zygote can be described as a human organism or simply a human cell, like sperm or ovum, but does it have personhood? All genetic data for the individual that the zygote is/will be is present.
-The zygote turns into a blastocyst few days after conception. Some cells become the placenta others become the embryo. At this point it's no longer a single cell. The embryonic cells have appeared and the cells that will become the placenta have tied themselves down to the walls of the uterus. This is day 4 of conception
-Embryo. This is day 12 of conception, an underdeveloped human organism, an individual. Did it achieve personhood? Yes. Why? Because There's very little way to argue around the morality of killing an embryo while not also justifying killing newborns or toddlers and hell, everyone below 25 who still have underdeveloped brains. Simply finding an arbitrary point of personhood is retarded, because I could simply make the point that I'm smarter than some other person hence I should be judge jury and executioner every time they inconvenience me or hurt me or set my career back. And this ultimately extends back to the blastocyst and zygote phase since every gene expression needed for those cells to become embryos are present, and if not they're not viable and the question of abortion goes out the window.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Not getting vaxxed isn't intentionally killing people, there's no premeditation and there's no intent. If someone intentionally attempts to infect a specific person with covid with the express intent of killing them then maybe you got a case, but otherwise no.

Women have all the bodily autonomy in the world to decide if they want to have sex or not. If they exersise their bodily autonomy to do so and end up pregnant, they don't suddently get the right to commit murder and take away the bodily autonomy of the baby.


I'm against murdering innocent people. Its not complicated. The discussion of social safety nets is a seperate issue entirely that has nothing to do with being for or against child sacrifice.

It is ending up with people killing each other.

You are against forced blood and organ donation because it violates "bodily autonomy", but you want to force women to have babies, even though that violates their bodily autonomy.

You aren't against innocent people dying or you'd be advocating for forced vaccines (help delay the spread of deadly illness), more welfare and healthcare. You'd be for forced organ donation since you obviously don't give a crap about bodily autonomy. If a person dies from a disease or a fetus dies from an abortion, both are people dying. You're fine with preventing one, but not the other. The difference is I think a person should have more rights than a few cells in a woman's body.

I am just pointing out your hypocrisy here. You are fine removing women's bodily autonomy, but when it comes to yours, you're totally against it.

Again, they still have the choice to, y'know, be abstinent. And to that end, why would or even should I be paying for strangers to get a procedure I don't approve of? Please show the class where I'm being a hypocrite.

Again, people are gonna fuck. It's in our biology. Why do you care what other people do with their bodies? You aren't willing to help pay for their healthcare or newborn, so you should have no say in forcing them to have said baby.

You honestly don't know, is that it? Let me explain. It's a social mechanism called shame.

Throughout human history we as a people have figured out that giving in to certain biological urges such as pissing on the floor, jerking off at inappropriate times, and having sex with partners unsuitable to be parents is detrimental to a functional society and therefore should be discouraged by means of shaming. Different cultures codified it in various ways, whether religious or legal or otherwise. While some took it too far (or not far enough), it more or less functioned until the late 20th century, when fedora-wearing atheists misunderstood shame to be entirely a religious concept and started ignoring it all together, bringing us to this point.

Bring back shaming, I say.

I think we should shame having a scat and diaper fetish

 

[Ghjkl63]

Again, people are gonna fuck. It's in our biology. Why do you care what other people do with their bodies? You aren't willing to help pay for their healthcare or newborn, so you should have no say in forcing them to have said baby.

AGAIN, they don't have to outside of reproducing. Masturbation is very much a thing as are all manner of sex toys to aid in it. Stop being a coomer, no amount of claiming "BUT PEOPLE HAVE SEX ITS IN OUR BIOLOGY" will excuse the fact that the majority of unwanted pregnancies would be prevented by either abstaining from sex entirely or stacking multiple means of birth control. And again, I'm against paying for strangers medical procedures because they're fuckin strangers, their problems aren't mine to solve.

 

[Mr_Sam_Bones]

It is ending up with people killing each other.

You are against forced blood and organ donation because it violates "bodily autonomy", but you want to force women to have babies, even though that violates their bodily autonomy.

You aren't against innocent people dying or you'd be advocating for forced vaccines (help delay the spread of deadly illness), more welfare and healthcare. You'd be for forced organ donation since you obviously don't give a crap about bodily autonomy. If a person dies from a disease or a fetus dies from an abortion, both are people dying. You're fine with preventing one, but not the other. The difference is I think a person should have more rights than a few cells in a woman's body.

I am just pointing out your hypocrisy here. You are fine removing women's bodily autonomy, but when it comes to yours, you're totally against it.


Again, people are gonna fuck. It's in our biology. Why do you care what other people do with their bodies? You aren't willing to help pay for their healthcare or newborn, so you should have no say in forcing them to have said baby.


I think we should shame having a scat and diaper fetish

You are not smart, in fact you are quite dumb. I'd go as far as to say there's very little difference between you and 5 week old fetus who also has a very underdeveloped brain, much like yours. Hence I should be able to hire a doctor to euthanize you because you annoy me.

 

[Arthur Finklestein]

Again, people are gonna fuck. It's in our biology.

Women are having far less sex than ever before.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I think we should shame having a scat and diaper fetish

I can agree on that, big chief. But can you stop projecting for a moment and at least try to produce a reasonable argument?

Bringing back shaming in relation to severe promiscuity would help reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Do you agree or not? Why?

 

[Oilspill Battery]

It is ending up with people killing each other.

You are against forced blood and organ donation because it violates "bodily autonomy", but you want to force women to have babies, even though that violates their bodily autonomy.

You aren't against innocent people dying or you'd be advocating for forced vaccines (help delay the spread of deadly illness), more welfare and healthcare. You'd be for forced organ donation since you obviously don't give a crap about bodily autonomy. If a person dies from a disease or a fetus dies from an abortion, both are people dying. You're fine with preventing one, but not the other. The difference is I think a person should have more rights than a few cells in a woman's body.

I am just pointing out your hypocrisy here. You are fine removing women's bodily autonomy, but when it comes to yours, you're totally against it.

And you want to remove babies' bodily autonomy, but are in favour of women keeping it despite women being the ones responsible for the babies being put in that sitiuation in the first place.

How are you not a hypocrite?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

AGAIN, they don't have to outside of reproducing. Masturbation is very much a thing as are all manner of sex toys to aid in it. Stop being a coomer, no amount of claiming "BUT PEOPLE HAVE SEX ITS IN OUR BIOLOGY" will excuse the fact that the majority of unwanted pregnancies would be prevented by either abstaining from sex entirely or stacking multiple means of birth control. And again, I'm against paying for strangers medical procedures because they're fuckin strangers, their problems aren't mine to solve.

Lol using the "coomer" meme to describe people who have sex shows you're an incel, dude. "Hahahaha, they are having sex. what losers!"

But yes, most unwanted pregnancies are from people who have sex. But birth control fails.

So again, you are showing your hypocrisy. You want to force women to give birth, but don't want to pay for it. You don't want to pay for the baby's welfare or anything.

And you want to remove babies' bodily autonomy, but are in favour of women keeping it despite women being the ones responsible for the babies being put in that sitiuation in the first place.

How are you not a hypocrite?

Why should a fetus have bodily autonomy over a woman? A child doesn't even have bodily autonomy. Parents can force their child to get vaccinated, get medical procedures, etc...

I can agree on that, big chief. But can you stop projecting for a moment and at least try to produce a reasonable argument?

Bringing back shaming in relation to severe promiscuity would help reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Do you agree or not? Why?

You're the one who constantly talks about shitty diapers and stuff. I won't shame you for your fetish, though, as I feel bad for you because of things you've admitted on this forum.

No, I don't think we should shame someone for having sex. That's stupid puritanical stuff, and it's attitudes like this why I call you guys puritanical boomers.

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Anyway, I am heading out for the weekend. For those of us who have jobs, it's a 3 day weekend. Don't spend it on Kiwi Farms. Have fun with your family and friends and be safe.

 

[Ghjkl63]

Lol using the "coomer" meme to describe people who have sex shows you're an incel, dude. "Hahahaha, they are having sex. what losers!"

But yes, most unwanted pregnancies are from people who have sex. But birth control fails.

So again, you are showing your hypocrisy. You want to force women to give birth, but don't want to pay for it. You don't want to pay for the baby's welfare or anything.

No. I''m calling YOU a coomer for making the excuse that people are going to have sex as a reason to allow recreational abortions. If birth control is so unreliable just dont have sex. and again, show where I said anything even remotely supportive of forcing women to give birth and provide literally any reason why I should pay for strangers medical bills or welfare. I've got my own shit that needs to be paid for and I'm not a billionaire.

"Anyway, I am heading out for the weekend. For those of us who have jobs, it's a 3 day weekend. Don't spend it on Kiwi Farms. Have fun with your family and friends and be safe"
the irony

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Why should a fetus have bodily autonomy over a woman? A child doesn't even have bodily autonomy.

Because the fetus isn't plotting to commit premeditated murder against the mother.

Parents can force their child to get vaccinated, get medical procedures, etc...

So should parents have a right to kill their kids?

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Looks like someone is up to his old tricks—again.... Truly off his rocker...