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Muttnik said:
I can't begin to describe how fucking boring and ugly Disney's latest models are compared to their colorful, expressive 90's/Early 2000's lineup. Note how ALL the old 2D models have different designs, styles and variety to their expressions. And APPEAL, holy shit.

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None of them look alike. None are modeled the same. There's more fucking diversity here than anything the Mouse shits out today.
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Back then, animation had style, morals and overall distinctive looks as to not want to be someone else. Let alone copy someone else, even while competing with someone with better talent.

The bar has decreased so much, that conveyor belt style animation looks more like agitprop than actual animation.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
To think, ten years ago people were saying after cars 2 Pixar was never gonna recover. The sheer idiocy of Larry the cable guy as a tow truck turned super spy was considered the death rattle of a once great studio.



Now we have turning red and Lightyear showing us a decade later how it can always be worse... Much worse.
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At least Cars 2 had that Perfume song in it!
JK but not really. I miss "older" Pixar too.
 
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Lil Miku said:
At least Cars 2 had that Perfume song in it!
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And Bruce Campbell as a car even if they killed him off in like 3 minutes.
Lil Miku said:
JK bit not really. I miss "older" Pixar too.
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Luca was alright though, better than most of their offerings. Despite the twitter tards who wanted the two leads to be a pair of gay boys.... And no I am NOT joking even though I wish I was.
 
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_giantmeteor2024_ said:
It sounds like they portrayed Buzz entirely wrong.
If I remember correctly, one of the main features of the original Toy Story movies was that it seemed to tap into a cross-generational "toy experience". Buzz and Woody were the kinds of toys that children in the 1950s-60s played with. Woody was like a "Howdy Doody" character, and Buzz was an example of the many Space-related kids shows of the 60s. People in my parents' generation (tail end of the silent generation, early boomer) really LOVED the original Toy Story movies, and enjoyed watching them with their grandkids. When the 60s space theme became popular among kids, the Western kids' shows disappeared. The Woody vs Buzz rivalry kind of represented that cultural shift. The older folks who watched that original movie totally "got" what that rivalry was all about-- the end of the cowboy/western movie era and the dawn of the space age during the early 1960s. The theme where Woody felt tossed aside by something "new and shiny" appeals to older folks, who often feel "pushed aside". It's as if the story wanted to illustrate how important it was to appreciate history/tradition, historical figures, brave heroes from the past? It kind of made kids think about how it hurts to toss someone "old" aside?

Many of the dolls and other toys were also from a time period long before the 1990s. Recreating Buzz as some kind of 90s phenomenon runs counter to the "retro" theme that made the original movies so popular. Adding Woke Shit just kills that retro/nostalgia appeal even more. Grandparents don't want to watch that Woke Shit, and they're often the ones who take kids to movies and/or are the ones who buy them and watch them over and over and over again with the grandkids.
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exactly, even the movie itself could have been a throwback, most of what was shown for kids in the 90s was stuff from decades ago. looney tunes, hanna-barbarra, and most "kid friendly" anime from back then was stuff from decades before. the power rangers scenes from japan look worse than 1960s student films. You could have the movie be the big screen adventure of a long running franchise Andy only recently learned of, the same way we all discovered Daffy Duck or Scooby doo way after they first premiered yet it was still new to us. I know i didn't realize how old Star Wars was when i first saw the OT, the special effects looked modern enough for me not to question it. even the concept of a "space adventure" should have been timeless, an easy layup the whole family could enjoy. as disney showed in The Black Hole; you can keep it kid friendly and non-sexual while also exciting.
SSF2T Old User said:
I'm genuinely shocked they opted for a Buzz Lightyear cartoon series rather than an actual Toy Story animated series.

There's SO MANY ideas they could have come up with regarding locations, characters overcoming shit as toys using their strengths/weaknesses, maybe have a rival toy gang from a neighbor that moved next door (since they can't do sid's toys anymore, unless they make sid himself an re-occuring antagonist). The artists and writers could have let all of their imafgination and creativity flow freely.
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at the time the animation wasn't there, it took 2 years for 90 minutes, they'd have to really lessen the quality hard to make it work. even then you'd only get 20 episodes a year max, Nick was all about the CGI in the 2000s and none of it holds up, nothing is proportionate, everything is extremely unrealistic. and everyone involved hasn't gotten a job since.
Someone in a Tree said:
Sing 2 is the highest grossing animated film to be released since the pandemic began and that made $160 million. That’s not bad, but it’s also $110 million less than the first one. Disney and Pixar animated films are usually budgeted at around $150-200 million and they are petrified of sending something out there to die. Encanto fizzled out when it was released in theaters and then Disney saw it blow up massively when it was released on their streaming service 30 days later, which was a release strategy that was heavily advertised and reported upon. They clearly thought Lightyear would be the safest choice, and audiences started returning to theaters en masse when Spider-Man was released. I can almost guarantee you that if Sonic 2 had flopped, Disney would have either delayed Lightyear or just thrown it on Disney+
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just to be honest, until minions i assumed animation was dead for theaters, why bother going to the movies when its a lot easier and will save you money to just watch it on disney+, think about how often kids watch the same shit over and over again, practically destroying VHS tapes. you might as well wait until it comes out so that when your kid wants it on again you can put it on easily.
Dom Cruise said:
I watched a GREAT Disney sports movie "The Greatest Game Ever Played" from 2005 starring Shia Labeouf and directed interestingly enough by Bill Paxton (one of only 2 feature films he actually directed sadly)

It's based on the true story of Francis Ouimet, who in 1913 at the age of twenty was the first amateur to win the US Open, beating the English golf champion, Harry Vardon.

And dang, I was honestly caught off guard by how great this movie is, even if you don't care about golf, it's worth watching for it's gorgeous cinematography, it's take on the time period and just how well made it is and what it has to say about life, because the golf is really just a metaphor for a how a man should carry himself through his life.

It's incredibly refreshing to watch a movie that's respectful of the time period of the 1900s and 1910s, even if there are fair criticisms of the era's classism, there's not a word about the era's sexism, racism (there's no black characters at all, remember when a movie could get away with that?) and the overall takeaway is that it was the superior culture, not because of the rich assholes in their gentlemen's clubs, but because of men like Francis Ouimet and Harry Vardon and the gumption they had.

This is in stark contrast with a modern Disney movie set in the 1910s, Jungle Cruise, which I did also watch recently and enjoyed well enough for the fun adventure elements and Dwayne Johnson, but the Woke digs at the era's supposed sexism, the snottyness of Emily Blunt's character and other stupid Woke bullshit pissed me off and just barely avoided ruining the movie altogether.

And damn is it refreshing as hell to watch a movie like The Greatest Game Ever Played with none of that bullshit, it says a lot that a movie like it could still be made in 2005 and people wonder why I miss that decade, but it also says something bad that the movie was a box office flop, as there were sadly already too many of the elements that lead to today even in 2005.

But yeah, highly recommended, including for the movie's beautiful opening credits which are kind of hard to explain but an amazing tribute to the era and was one of the first things about the movie that really caught me off guard with how great it is, it's also nice to remember a time when Labeouf did have some acting talent and wasn't a total trainwreck (he's great in this movie).
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this is going to sound insane but i was actually in a focus group for trailers for that and other films that came out during that time (Hitchhikers guide was a memorable one for me), i was a huge fan of Shia but a film about golf, that seemed like a knock off of Will Smith's film, didn't appeal to me. looking back, i enjoyed shia more for his bombastic over the top comedic roles, even in irobot as a future wigger. but he clearly wanted to be a dramatic actor. his autism film for disney channel was amazing and like you said its rather shocking what they got away with especially in the messaging in that film compared to what it would play out like today.

Shia himself turned his back on being "his generations' tom hanks" to do his artsy films instead. like others have said, when given a role or chance he does knock it out of the park, and in hindsight he was smart to do what he did, none of the male actors in his age range really got a chance, he was a few years too young to be the action movie star the chris' a half decade older than him are, instead he'd have the same career as Zac Efron, who's career has been in the shitter for about a decade now. those comedy roles that were Tom hanks' bread and butter vanished a decade ago, so him turning his back on going down that role was amazingly smart.

honestly That golf film gives me the same vibe as the disney one about the mexican cross country team or the mexican robotics team, or the white speed chess champion, its a feel good story for boomers (why bill paxton directed) but it was always a film made to pay out a favor, a passion project, something to show off years down the road to a very small minority who'd enjoy it. I was too young to give a shit, and again the film doesn't seem very exciting, it feels very Ford v Ferrari where its an inspirational film that you'd only care about if you knew or cared about them. AKA something for the olds.

So if you ever want to know why this film flopped blame marketing, for trusting people like me to give a shit.
 
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It's certainly no mystery why the movie flopped in theaters, I remember hearing about it in 2005 but certainly I wasn't going to go see a movie about golf in the theaters back then.

But the marketing didn't make it clear how great a movie it is, it could have built up some good word of mouth and made decent money but it would definitely have been tough to figure out how exactly to market it, the movie definitely seems dry at first glance, it's only when you give a chance does it catch you off guard.

Heck, I can't even tell you WHAT exactly reminded me that the movie even exists, was just something that popped in my head and decided to check out since it was on Disney+

As for Shia, maybe he's turned in some good performances in recent years and maybe he made the smart move to step back from Hollywood and focus on indies but his personal life became such a trainwreck he's one of those guys I can't help but cringe when I see his name today, it's sad to see in 2005 so young, fresh faced, full of talent and long before all the crazy stuff.
 
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Kramer on the phone said:
at the time the animation wasn't there, it took 2 years for 90 minutes, they'd have to really lessen the quality hard to make it work. even then you'd only get 20 episodes a year max, Nick was all about the CGI in the 2000s and none of it holds up, nothing is proportionate, everything is extremely unrealistic. and everyone involved hasn't gotten a job since.
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It doesn't have to be CGI. The Buzz Lightyear series proved that it worked just fine in 2D, so a 2D Toy Story could have worked just as well. It gives the animators a little more freedom to do shit you normally can't and/or wouldn't do in 3D
 
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3D animation has made Disney lazy. They use a base character model and alter it for whatever they need, but keep it the same style. And we all know Disney being cheapskates nowadays, they don't want people injecting their artstyle in any movie because the style has to conform to that ugly character model to save money on 3D modelers. They were like this after Walt's death, Xeroxing pencil tests and sticking to the same style, but it at least those movies still has a charm to them because they were simply lost, nowadays, some of the movies reek of soulless corporation (and it doesn't help that 3D is sleek looking unless you invent a new type of shader) because Disney is simply evil now.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
And Bruce Campbell as a car even if they killed him off in like 3 minutes.
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I recall one interview with The Chin, maybe around Screaming Brain, where the subject of how creativity bankrupt Hollywood is, and he observed that it was so bad that even _he_ was in a Herbie The Love Bug movie
 
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starborn427614 said:
I don't recall it doing spectacularly well, but I don't think it was a flop per se. There's also a new animated series coming out for it (same with Moana).
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Ah that part makes sense. I thought it was random they picked Princess and the Frog without knowing that there is a animated series coming out.
 
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Calzaghe said:
Disney is getting rid of Splash Mountain for a fucking Princess and the Frog ride. Good lord how horrific is that going to be. Wasn’t it an absolute bomb in the theaters?
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If YMS is anything to go by, The Princess And The Frog was one of the reasons, if not THE reason, that Disney decided to fuck off with 2d animation for 3d shit, especially after they saw how movies like "Up" were making a fuck-load more money.
 
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XYZpdq said:
They're just putting a new skin on the old ride.
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Yeah, thought that was what they were doing, so it's still Splash Mountain, just might have a different name to it now.

In any case, this is just them erasing "problematic" stuff from their parks. Can't let the kiddies know a damn thing about Brer Rabbit, now can we?
 
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Kari Kamiya said:
Yeah, thought that was what they were doing, so it's still Splash Mountain, just might have a different name to it now.

In any case, this is just them erasing "problematic" stuff from their parks. Can't let the kiddies know a damn thing about Brer Rabbit, now can we?
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tbf for as shit as the maintenance was he was already missing from parts of the ride
 
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