Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Dom Cruise said:
So I read that Coruscant was originally supposed to appear in Return of The Jedi under a different name, but the same idea of a city wide planet and the Imperial capital.

What I can't seem to find is any info on why Lucas dropped it, did he find it too expensive? Not feasible with effects of the time? It wouldn't make any appearance until the 1997 special editions but I can't find any specific reason as to why unlike the reason why Endor originally being the Wookie homeworld was dropped because there simply weren't enough actors tall enough to play a bunch of Wookies.

It's a shame because the concept art is jaw dropping and that would have added a lot to Return of The Jedi.
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Yes. The original name in question was Had Abbadon, based on Abaddon the hebrew word for Destruction because it would be the seat of the Empire and where new Death Stars were being built (lit. seat of destruction). Endor was also going to be its moon under the name Jus-Endor (hebrew word for spring and a village of biblical significance) and was going to be like a game preserve. The reason for the changes was due to budget restraints and what they were limited too would not be able to match George's vision, so it was ultimately cut. The planet would be abandoned for the final production.

However the capital of the Empire "Imperial Center" had been around for as long as the earliest drafts for A New Hope where it had many different names, with Alderaan even being considered a name for it before it was given to Leia's home planet. Subsequent comics and novels of the 70s and 80s simply called it Imperial Center or the Imperial Capital until a name could be decided. The name "Coruscant" (meaning "shining") first sprung up in Timothy Zahn's 1991 Star Wars sequel book Heir to the Empire after receiving consent from George and his editors to give the Imperial capital a name of his own choosing. The imperial capital/Coruscant would make its first cinematic debut in the Special Edition, and the name Coruscant would receive its first cinematic mention in TPM. The name Had Abbadon would still find a way into pre-Disney star wars lore in the form of a legendary planet from Old Republic mythos said to be linked to the jedi but later turned into an imperial outpost world in modern times.

You can read more on the details here along with concept art for ROTJ.
(I've updated the old concept art posts so they link to each other)

You can learn more about its production and difficulties in the Making of Star Wars production book, the SW art books, Illustrated Star Wars Universe art book and the ROTJ Art book for proper references.
 
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Midwit said:
Even though you can literally see Imperial Army grunts in Episode 6? There were also the naval troopers inside the bunker, but people ignore those guys even more than they do the Army most of the time.
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Nope, they're 501st Stormtroopers in dress-downs. Naval troops are still naval troops, but they're like some sort of dinky honor guard, or something. I don't care about Disneywars lore and I'm actually proud of how little I know about it.

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Why does Disney always 4 digit codes for this stuff? Sure it's easily readable but it does imply that there's only around 10,000 Stormtroopers total which is a wee bit small by galactic standards. Where's CT-4301321 or TK-7771005 to shore up the numbers?
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Gotta fit the number on a toy box, after all. Besides, Filoniwars has lots of fun punchy 4-digit numbers so that's what they do now.

The Gangster Computer said:
The name "Coruscant" (meaning "shining") first sprung up in Timothy Zahn's 1991 Star Wars sequel book Heir to the Empire after receiving consent from George and his editors to give the Imperial capital a name of his own choosing.
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Zahn truly is the wellspring from which most good Star Wars flows.
 
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I just noticed something...
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The resemblance is uncanny. Separated at birth?
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
TFA's briefing scene is a bit dismissive of the Starkiller base's threat. We learn that there's a shield and the Falcon is supposed to bypass it during its refresh rate period, but no Achilles' heel is stated. Then we see the dogfight itself and all it is is Poe flying around shooting things. It's shockingly boring because of the amount of plot armor Poe has. There's no sense that the Resistance is losing because the dogfight is a sideshow that if shown more of, would have taken away from the lightsaber fight on the ground.
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The abortion that is the Sequel Trilogy would have easily been far better off with the Starkiller base not being destroyed. This would have given the three protagonists a defeat that they would have had to bitterly accept and the First Order would then reign as a superpower.

The fact that the Starkiller Base's destruction barely left an impact on the story is pretty embarrassing overall. The destruction of the Death Star is what made Vader so obsessed over his estranged son. If The Starkiller base stayed within the whole trilogy it would have set up how fucked The Rebellion was. Every planet, hell every solar system would have preemptively shot down Rebellion ships as their presence would have meant The First Order would happily genocide them.
 
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Alright, so a friend told me that yidsney recently added James Luceno's classic Labyrinth of Evil to its fagcanon after one of its new tranny-loving authors confirmed his new story ties into it on Twitter, so I decided to browse wookieepedoa to see if this was legitimate since SW.com and sw forums are utterly useless for verifying info these days. Apparently it is partly true and unsurprisingly the author tied the tranny clone trooper "Sister" to Labyrinth of Evil for some ungodly reason much to my chagrin. But more to the point, while I was browsing their gay ass wiki, I noticed that their "Popular Pages" feature (all of which were disney shit) slowly started shifting to only pre-disney articles and it was like this for over a day or so until suddenly everything was reset back to only disney pages, even the "most visited category pages", and all to the exact same order it was in prior to 2 days ago, which just makes the ordering look incredibly artificial. Considering how wikia/fandom staff is purposely manipulating stats and even article info without consent from its own userbase, I wouldn't be surprised if they're purposely rigging this shit.

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On a related note, the site is in the worst state I've ever seen it in, and that's saying a lot considering its always been a poorly kept mess. Like nothing but red links, empty articles and the only articles with any active editors working on them are the Ahoka, the black girl from Kenobi, Disney-Anakin, Blandalorian, Baby Yeed and a few sequel shitter articles. Its a pathetically broken sight to behold.
Force and Character said:
I just noticed something...
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The resemblance is uncanny. Separated at birth?
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The resemblance is disturbingly uncanny and both have that odd semi-autistic potato-face look. Only thing missing is an accidental fap video to complete their similarities.

Also holy hell of course there's a wolf pin on him. This cowboy is nothing but a walking wolfaboo reference that can't go one minute without a wolf idol on his person.
 
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The Gangster Computer said:
Alright, so a friend told me that yidsney recently added James Luceno's classic Labyrinth of Evil to its fagcanon after one of its new tranny-loving authors confirmed his new story ties into it on Twitter, so I decided to browse wookieepedoa to see if this was legitimate since SW.com and sw forums are utterly useless for verifying info these days. Apparently it is partly true and unsurprisingly the author tied the tranny clone trooper "Sister" to Labyrinth of Evil for some ungodly reason much to my chagrin. But more to the point, while I was browsing their gay ass wiki, I noticed that their "Popular Pages" feature (all of which were disney shit) slowly started shifting to only pre-disney articles and it was like this for over a day or so until suddenly everything was reset back to only disney pages, even the "most visited category pages", and all to the exact same order it was in prior to 2 days ago, which just makes the ordering look incredibly artificial. Considering how wikia/fandom staff is purposely manipulating stats and even article info without consent from its own userbase, I wouldn't be surprised if they're purposely rigging this shit.

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On a related note, the site is in the worst state I've ever seen it in, and that's saying a lot considering its always been a poorly kept mess. Like nothing but red links, empty articles and the only articles with any active editors working on them are the Ahoka, the black girl from Kenobi, Disney-Anakin, Blandalorian, Baby Yeed and a few sequel shitter articles. Its a pathetically broken sight to behold.

The resemblance is disturbingly uncanny and both have that odd semi-autistic potato-face look. Only thing missing is an accidental fap video to complete their similarities.

Also holy hell of course there's a wolf pin on him. This cowboy is nothing but a walking wolfaboo reference that can't go one minute without a wolf idol on his person.
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Wookiepedia has fallen so far, I used to spend hours on that website. Actually that was probably the place where I first realized all the inconsistencies and changes that started coming from TCW. Reading stuff there that directly contradicted The New Essential Chronology and other stuff I knew.
 
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Sneed F91 said:
It's a quipfest comedy routine where the movie pretends to be "self aware" by having Han say "there's always a way to blow these things up" and making it seem like they just made up a plan on the spot, that somehow manages to work. The Resistance and the First Order never act like real military factions.
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It's also the laziest form of meta comment that immediately takes the audience out of the scene where the character's dialogue has no grounding in the actual story. Han's comment would only make sense if this were still in the EU where these super weapon death stations with a direct weakness were common, but in Disney canon all Han has seen is one Death Star having a weakness that causes it to blow up and a second Death Star that was in the middle of construction without all it's defences yet.

It's like how Luke and Kylo in the Last Jedi keep talking about themselves in a way that doesn't come from their in-universe stories, but their reputation and discussion outside the universe. "How can you be apart of the story, Rey, if you're not a Skywalker!? We're the most important family ever even though only two members of the bloodline were actually important."
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Another unstated value of The Battle of Yavin is that the Rebel Alliance had some notion of military planning. First, there's the briefing scene expositing just how dangerous it is. Then we get to the battle itself where the initial plan is to cover the Y-wings for their bombing run. Through attrition, squadron command falls apart and we see Luke and Biggs taking some initiative on their own. Luke was never supposed to take out the Death Star in the plan, he was the absolute last resort because just about everyone else was dead.
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The Battle also had some real aspect of desperation. Time was literally running out for the rebellion. They laid out the plans, far from perfect ones at that, there is a weakness but it is stupidly hard, if not OUTRIGHT IMPOSSIBLE, to hit it even with the targeting system and we literally saw that, no, the system wasnt going to work.
But what the rebellion could do at that point? They couldnt abort the mission and turn tail, they were literally cornored against the wall by a moon sized base. All they could do is just do it again and hope it will work that time (but its extremely likely it wouldnt even if Luke wasnt shot down before it).

The rebellion was practically done for until Luke went all David on the Goliath of a space station with the aid of the Force.

You dont get that sense of "we are literally done for if we dont pull this off" with the Resistance in Ep 7. Which is funny because its not like this sort of tension cant be replicated because we were able to see at least a good chunk of it return in Ep 6.
 
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I like to add in another point in Rey and Kylo not only being Sith, but both being insane. The fact that Force Ghosting was recently discovered meaning that Rey should not be "All the Jedi", but only having 6 in retrospect (Qui-Gon, Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Luke, and Leia). Considering the fact that Rey is the granddaughter of clone Palpatine and should be pulling from the same source with that "I am ALL THE SITH" crap and the Sith are notorious liars, and the fact that Kylo's faggot ass has been listening to Palpatine, I'm saying, like that Rey is a Sith, like her grandfather and father before her.
 
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Akumaten said:
I like to add in another point in Rey and Kylo not only being Sith, but both being insane. The fact that Force Ghosting was recently discovered meaning that Rey should not be "All the Jedi", but only having 6 in retrospect (Qui-Gon, Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Luke, and Leia). Considering the fact that Rey is the granddaughter of clone Palpatine and should be pulling from the same source with that "I am ALL THE SITH" crap and the Sith are notorious liars, and the fact that Kylo's faggot ass has been listening to Palpatine, I'm saying, like that Rey is a Sith, like her grandfather and father before her.
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It just made me think of The Simpsons when Mr. Burns and Homer are driven insane by Cabin Fever.

"I HAVE POWERS. POLITICAL POWERS!"
 
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Force and Character said:
I just noticed something...
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The resemblance is uncanny. Separated at birth?
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Which one is the bigger lolcow?
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
It's like how Luke and Kylo in the Last Jedi keep talking about themselves in a way that doesn't come from their in-universe stories, but their reputation and discussion outside the universe. "How can you be apart of the story, Rey, if you're not a Skywalker!? We're the most important family ever even though only two members of the bloodline were actually important."
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I hated this shit so much. It's so incredibly pretentious but not well done either because the writer/director is a room temp IQ hipster who has no idea what he's doing. Of course the pretentious internet cinephiles think Rian's half assed attempt at being meta and self aware was well done even though Star Wars was never supposed to be a meta story. On top of being the most surface level read on the franchise imaginable.

TLJ is the first Star Wars movie made for people who don't know/care about Star Wars and think it's stupid, which was probably the dumbest thing to do after you just put out 2 (financially successful) fan film wankfests solely to bait the fans. Disney's just lucky Star Wars fans are sadomasochists with battered wife syndrome.
 
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Akumaten said:
I like to add in another point in Rey and Kylo not only being Sith, but both being insane. The fact that Force Ghosting was recently discovered meaning that Rey should not be "All the Jedi", but only having 6 in retrospect (Qui-Gon, Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Luke, and Leia). Considering the fact that Rey is the granddaughter of clone Palpatine and should be pulling from the same source with that "I am ALL THE SITH" crap and the Sith are notorious liars, and the fact that Kylo's faggot ass has been listening to Palpatine, I'm saying, like that Rey is a Sith, like her grandfather and father before her.
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Are you really looking into a dialogue exchange that just boiled down to “People really liked it in Avengers: Endgame, they’ll love it when we do it!”
 
Little Red Corvette said:
back when legacy of the force and george lucas special editions were the worst problems the fandom had... :,(
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I think the prequels were slightly more hated than the special editions, but not by much. We had no idea it was gonna be like this back then. We were so spoiled.
Akumaten said:
No, I'm saying that Rey and Kylo are delusional, insane Sith and I hate them.
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If a genocidal school shooter who stabs his own father to death right in front of you makes you horny, you both have problems.
 
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Going back to the discussion on stormtroopers, Lucas had a chance in the OT to show them as a separate unit from the standard Imperial infantry after the opening scene in ANH but he didn't. We only see stormtroopers, Imperial officers, and other guys wearing the black helmets throughout the OT. It along with the DT showed different trooper variants while the clone troopers were the main soldiers for the Republic in the PT.
 
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