George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

Is it funny if no one can remember him and his work stays forgotten? People will be talking of Tolkien and Lovecract 100 years from now the same as they do Shakespere and the Greek Epics. People are already forgetting ASOIAF. That's the absolute worst thing to happen to an artist. To be dead and forgotten.
Lovecraft died in poverty, malnourished and pained by one of the worst cancers to have which he could not even afford to alleviate. For all he knew, his works would be forgotten in history. Maybe Derleth might preserve them immediately, but they would have no greater value in the greater years. He died depressed, lonely, and sickly. I wonder how he would feel if he knew names like Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, and Azathoth are now synonymous with horrors that transcend human imagination, an inspiration for countless works from Twin Peaks to Event Horizon to Hellraiser to Dark Tower. It will be known that his universe was shared with that of Conan the Barbarian, one of the most famous icons in modern fantasy. Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath will still be seen as it is today as a dreamlike and surreal dive into Lovecraft's longing for the dreams of his childhood. The Color out of Space will still be incomprehensibly mindboggling. The Outsider will still be an introspective dive into Lovcraft's depression and self loathing.

Martin is going to die from an artery blockage due to eating too much in his mansion and his works will go in the dustbin of history, used as an example of popular postmodern works in the 21st century in some footnotes on websites about the 2000s. The themes of it being shown as an example of the general societal breakdown translating to edgy and nihilistic prose.
 
No you don't get it. It's much more realistic to have every noble family and house was routinely raping and murdering every single peasant, farmer, and servant they had in their employ. Realistic tax policy (which is very important to the story you see) is that you must decapitate every third farmer and rape every second woman. Just like r/history told me.
Tywin exterminated half a continent of peasants. And burned their crops. In the wake of winter. In lands he wanted his puppet lords to rule. REALISM
 
I never got the hype for his books and always thought his writing was shit, I tried to like it but I really don't need details in incest scenes or a girl shitting herself. It just came off as "mature" where they go all in on edgy shit because thats what adults do, their lives revolve around taboo sex and profanity. It's like when a childrens author gets to stop writing for kids and they go full retard now they aren't age restricted. It's sad America has good writers and they chose GRRM as their representative. Atleast he meets the fat and lazy stereotype I guess.
I remember reading a snippet of that scene where a girl is shitting in the woods, with him going into gratuitous amounts of detail for something so minor. It came across as rather vulgar (even by my standards) and I started thinking "This is the author's fetish, isn't it?". Needless to say, I have never read any of his books nor watched his show.
 
If you have 40 minutes to waste, here's a good video showcasing just how autistic the fanboys can get
Not ASX Glidus and all the other guys, the theories they're making fun of. Though the absolute insane amount of knowledge these fuckers cram into their minds of a fictional universe is a bit on the autistic side
 
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Is it funny if no one can remember him and his work stays forgotten? People will be talking of Tolkien and Lovecract 100 years from now the same as they do Shakespere and the Greek Epics. People are already forgetting ASOIAF. That's the absolute worst thing to happen to an artist. To be dead and forgotten.
People will talk about it as an example of failure to control your own story.

It's such an embarrassing situation that will never be forgotten.

But even if we assume the opposite, why would he care if he is forgotten 50 years from now? He would've been forgotten probably even with finished book series.

He completely lost the story but he gave it to HBO, he earned millions and millions from it and book sales went up 800%. Everything great about the show is credited to him, everything bad to HBO.

People still don't want to admit that he is a fraud and that he has no idea what he is doing. They think he failed to finish because the show was too popular or because there was backlash at the end or because he has so many other projects.

No one wants to admit that he failed to finish because he is a fraud and hack.

Now they are making another adaptation, House of the Dragon. That will boost sales for his shitty book Fire and Blood and give him even more money. Again, he will be praised for everything great about the show and everything bad will be blamed at showrunners.

He is the ultimate winner.
 
I remember reading a snippet of that scene where a girl is shitting in the woods, with him going into gratuitous amounts of detail for something so minor. It came across as rather vulgar (even by my standards) and I started thinking "This is the author's fetish, isn't it?". Needless to say, I have never read any of his books nor watched his show.
His prose is always like this. Extreme depictions of urinating, defecating, sex, and other gratuitous and excruciating details of bodily functions that no authors save pornographers would dare deem to write. I think one of his choice phrases was something like "his cock became her cunt" during one of the many pointless sex scenes (this is in ADWD, an Asha chapter if I remember correctly). This lead to the HBO show also adopting his style of writing with now well quoted gutter level dialog such as "you want the bad pussy". He also vividly describes Tyrion's genitals in multiple book scenes in more detail than the anatomy of dragons are even explored.

Keep in mind that things like the origin of the Others. Doom of Valyria. Nature of Wargs. And other major details of the world of Westeros are completely ignored and abandoned. So that GRRM can flesh out the lore of brothels and bathroom habits. Devoted chapters and events surrounding the abundance of sex workers in is medieval fantasy world as if it is representative of medieval European history. There are more brothels in Westeros than any other building.

Imagine Frodo stopping in the woods and there being painstaking details of his defecating due to the constipation of elf bread. Or overly graphic and lucid descriptions of Sam banging Rose Cotton and ejaculating all over her and onto the floor. Or Aragorn and company stopping at brothels every other chapter and describing the length and girth of Aragorn's genitals. GRRM was always a smutty low level writer. His jewish background basically infects every aspect of his storytelling. His attacks on Tolkien come across as inauthentic and bitter because GRRM is being dishonest about why he hates Tolkien. He hates Tolkien because of the Christian and Catholic influence on LOTR. GRRM just hates Aryan culture and history. Because being a jew he is not part of it. So he bitterly writes fantasy stories, fake stories, in some revisionist medieval fantasy version of actual European history. Imagining Europe as some brothel overloaded cesspool of deranged monarchs endlessly raping and abusing the commoners.

I remember reading the first few ASOIAF novels and thinking that the author had to be a jew. There was just no way that he was being promoted this heavily without being a member of the tribe. And the two showrunners HBO chose to adapt his novels were also jews. But GRRM swore that he came from an Irish Catholic background. Years later GRRM would take a DNA test and reveal that he was indeed jewish and he was a result of an affair and that his background was different than what was previously reported. This is why there are so many lineage issues in his novels. He is just throwing his own deranged background into his world but then lying through his teeth about his own true background. Once he became ultra famous from the HBO show it became impossible to hide his jewish background so he went on some PBS show and acted shocked and aghast that he was part of the tribe. But he always knew and it shows in his work.
 
No you don't get it. It's much more realistic to have every noble family and house was routinely raping and murdering every single peasant, farmer, and servant they had in their employ. Realistic tax policy (which is very important to the story you see) is that you must decapitate every third farmer and rape every second woman. Just like r/history told me.
I dislike this sort of revisionist interpretation of Feudal Europe where Everything Was Bad All the Time to with cartoonishly evil nobility who apparently do nothing but rape and murder commoners. Obviously chivalric romance is a little stale and cliché nowadays due to centuries of creation and circulation, but this postmodern style of turning the pre-modern world into pure hell feels very immature and fueled by fedora-tipping dreams of liberal enlightenment.
I lost interest halfway through A Storm of Swords.

I've grown sick of "muh deconstruction" and "muh gritty realism". It's boring and cynical for story arcs to end in a wet fart.

If I wanted a story where the bad guys always win, I'd just read the news.
I think the worst part is the absolute lack of anything resembling light in the grimdark world of Westeros. No matter how likely there may be some hope coming along, it is quickly revealed to be a lie or extinguished. And Martin does all this while seeming fully sincere, unlike the deliberately over-the-top approach Warhammer 40k has in regards to being the very source of the term "grim darkness." I just wish there could be a sort of mid-fantasy compromise like Tolkien's again, because I want more options than just whacky Dragon Quest type stuff or the Grimderp of ASOIAF.
 
''I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that.

Not worth doing.''

- Tolkien, on why he didn't write Game of Thrones
The problem with deconstruction that modern writers just can't understand is that it's pointless. You don't learn anything new from flipping around morality or acting tropes in realism. People don't need a reminder that the world is unfair and assholes tend to win, they read books to have a vision of what the world could be given people act differently, not confirmation that the world sucks and we are all going to die.
 
Didn't he try to put down Lord of the Rings on the basis of "What is Aragorn's tax policy?"? He seems like a postmodernist redditor hack who basks in his own deconstructionist wit. He will never be a Tolkien.
That was in my original draft, but yes he isn’t very realistic with his world building. A lot of his characters seem like modern people in a fantasy setting. He also doesn’t even touch economics and Tolkien didn’t have to write an edgy reality where people died pointlessly: He was a WWI vet.
Is this trying to be a Community Watch thread? Why is it in Multimedia?
I was trying to make a lolcow thread in prospering grounds but it got moved here. I was hoping to get help with organizing that portion of the thread.
 
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I hear this and I think of some doughy nerdling getting revenge on the boys who shoved him into lockers by writing stories where anyone with a lick of testosterone dies.
I was about to say Robert Baratheon as an exception, but then I remembered Robert is a fat washed-up alcoholic with erectile dysfunction whose hot wife cheats on him, so maybe he's based on what Martin THINKS will happen to all the football chads from his school.
I dislike this sort of revisionist interpretation of Feudal Europe where Everything Was Bad All the Time to with cartoonishly evil nobility who apparently do nothing but rape and murder commoners. Obviously chivalric romance is a little stale and cliché nowadays due to centuries of creation and circulation, but this postmodern style of turning the pre-modern world into pure hell feels very immature and fueled by fedora-tipping dreams of liberal enlightenment.
Westeros seems closer to Thirty Years War-era Germany than anything actually medieval.
 
Today there is no debate. The show has been forgotten.

And yet, here you are.

Anyway if anyone is interested in contributing GRRM drama to this thread, here are a few incidents from memory you can research:
  • He raged about JK Rowling. She won the Hugo award the year he hoped to finally win best novel for 'A Storm of Swords.' He thinks the Potter books are good but was offended Rowling did not show up, the publishers sent no-one to accept and later Rowling got another award and said she was glad to get her first non-children book award.
  • He loves the Hugos, used to host 'The Losers Party' and has decades worth of anecdotes.
  • He fought against a rightwing attempt to steer the direction of genre books by mobbing the votes for the Hugos. Bascially Gamergate / Comicsgate type deal called 'sad puppies' and 'rabid puppies'. He fended them off, pissed off fans by blogging about it when they wanted him to write, and it all bit him on the ass, as the awards got obnoxiously out of touch and woke.
  • 'George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun, or: The 2020 Hugo Awards Ceremony' - a crazy cat lady wrote this over minor woke violations. He hosted remotely. He pronounced foreign names wrong. He fondly remembered some rightwing editors and writers. There was a joke about the bulge on the Oscar statue that she construed as transphobic. Turns out she hated GRRM because she wasn't a prominent enough loser to be invited to the losers party.
  • The next year 'George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun, or: The 2020 Hugo Awards Ceremony' was nominated for a Hugo, in a huge slap in the face to GRRM and violation of their own rules. Same year a subverted story based on 'I Identify Sexually As An Attack Helicopter' meme was also nominated. The Hugos - and the genre are truly lost.
  • That whole debacle was a real eye opener. The crazy bitches blog was reported by news media and none of the journalists watched the awards themselves to check her account. It was free on Youtube and would take a morning to watch. That's how lazy and dishonest the press is.
  • He's told wild stories about Hugo mischief, including meeting his future wife topless in a sauna. Big oversharing hippy.
  • His first wife was also a scifi novelist and he lost her in a love triangle. Later made a sad scifi book inspired by it where the lady falls in love with some hivemind.
  • He raged on his blog about the ending of Lost being bad. Damon Lindenhof was on a podcast after Game of Thrones ended, defended the show writers, but laid into GRRM. Basically got his revenge by saying GRRM never wrote an end to his story because he is a coward.
That Luhrs cunt had a huge meltdown and she deleted the blog post that shows her lunacy:

So eating a shit sandwich and saying it’s delicious for the sake of other people’s feelings is just a little bit beyond my ability right now.

Seeing the long list and the EPH-modified long list was like a punch in the gut. Seeing that George R.R. Martin gave out Alfies again–which I don’t begrudge the recipients of at all, be happy with your trophies, please!–was like being flicked on the nose after being punched in the gut. Not a major thing, but enough to bring unexpected tears to my eyes and push me over the edge from sad and hurt to sad, hurt, and angry.

George R.R. Martin, by virtue of his level of fame outside our community, has the ability to shape parts of this narrative. I am sure that he sees the Alfies as a fun thing and something that he can do to mitigate the effects of the Puppy slates. Which it does, to a certain degree. But it can also hurt the people that George R.R. Martin doesn’t notice or chooses not to notice. I can’t speak to his intent, but as everyone keeps saying: intent isn’t magic and I’m not sure why George R.R. Martin is getting a pass on this.

I’m not saying everyone needs a trophy–that would be silly and counterproductive. But I’d like people to realize that there are more people who have been affected by this than those that George R.R. Martin chose to honor at his party.

I was sad and hurt by this last year and chose to say nothing for the sake of the community, and this year I am sad, hurt, and choosing to say something for my own sake.

There was a website for people who were disillusioned over GRRM and banned from other fan sites - IsWinterComing.com. But activity died and closed down with very little archived.
 
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His prose is always like this. Extreme depictions of urinating, defecating, sex, and other gratuitous and excruciating details of bodily functions that no authors save pornographers would dare deem to write. I think one of his choice phrases was something like "his cock became her cunt" during one of the many pointless sex scenes (this is in ADWD, an Asha chapter if I remember correctly). This lead to the HBO show also adopting his style of writing with now well quoted gutter level dialog such as "you want the bad pussy". He also vividly describes Tyrion's genitals in multiple book scenes in more detail than the anatomy of dragons are even explored.

Keep in mind that things like the origin of the Others. Doom of Valyria. Nature of Wargs. And other major details of the world of Westeros are completely ignored and abandoned. So that GRRM can flesh out the lore of brothels and bathroom habits. Devoted chapters and events surrounding the abundance of sex workers in is medieval fantasy world as if it is representative of medieval European history. There are more brothels in Westeros than any other building.

Imagine Frodo stopping in the woods and there being painstaking details of his defecating due to the constipation of elf bread. Or overly graphic and lucid descriptions of Sam banging Rose Cotton and ejaculating all over her and onto the floor. Or Aragorn and company stopping at brothels every other chapter and describing the length and girth of Aragorn's genitals. GRRM was always a smutty low level writer. His jewish background basically infects every aspect of his storytelling. His attacks on Tolkien come across as inauthentic and bitter because GRRM is being dishonest about why he hates Tolkien. He hates Tolkien because of the Christian and Catholic influence on LOTR. GRRM just hates Aryan culture and history. Because being a jew he is not part of it. So he bitterly writes fantasy stories, fake stories, in some revisionist medieval fantasy version of actual European history. Imagining Europe as some brothel overloaded cesspool of deranged monarchs endlessly raping and abusing the commoners.

I remember reading the first few ASOIAF novels and thinking that the author had to be a jew. There was just no way that he was being promoted this heavily without being a member of the tribe. And the two showrunners HBO chose to adapt his novels were also jews. But GRRM swore that he came from an Irish Catholic background. Years later GRRM would take a DNA test and reveal that he was indeed jewish and he was a result of an affair and that his background was different than what was previously reported. This is why there are so many lineage issues in his novels. He is just throwing his own deranged background into his world but then lying through his teeth about his own true background. Once he became ultra famous from the HBO show it became impossible to hide his jewish background so he went on some PBS show and acted shocked and aghast that he was part of the tribe. But he always knew and it shows in his work.
Agree with everything else here, but not gonna lie, that Jew rant was kind of weird, but it could just be a shitpost thing. Wasn't Tolkien okay with Jews?
 
I dislike this sort of revisionist interpretation of Feudal Europe where Everything Was Bad All the Time to with cartoonishly evil nobility who apparently do nothing but rape and murder commoners. Obviously chivalric romance is a little stale and cliché nowadays due to centuries of creation and circulation, but this postmodern style of turning the pre-modern world into pure hell feels very immature and fueled by fedora-tipping dreams of liberal enlightenment.
C.S. Lewis referred to this outlook as "chronological snobbery".

Notice the contrast in worldviews, and in results:

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Tolkien could see the good and beauty in the world, and remained a lifelong faithful Catholic, in spite of being orphaned and fighting in the horrendous battles of WW1.

Martin, meanwhile, is a draft-dodger, an atheist, a cynic, and a pervert.

That's why I'm a fanboy of Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson. They're a breath of fresh air from all the retarded "MuH DeConstrukshun!" garbage.
 
That was in my original draft, but yes he isn’t very realistic with his world building. A lot of his characters seem like modern people in a fantasy setting.
This goes in both directions. Stories taking place in the past, or some alternative fantasy setting in the past, have the authors project their own modern political and social ideas of the world on their fantasy setting. So GRRM makes abortion like a centerpiece and integral aspect of life in Westeros and moon tea more common than apple cider. Because he sees a modern world where abortion is a prominent political issue amongst leftist and communist types. So he cannot separate his deranged baby killing obsession from medieval fantasy and so the worlds merge into a mess of storytelling.

But writers also project their own worldviews and biases on future settings as well. Like the modern versions of Star Wars and Star Trek are obviously centered around modern politics and modern events to the point where the writing is beyond direct and obvious. Even the Star Wars Prequels had obscene references to the Global War on Terror and Bush/Cheney. To the point where some of the plot points were more '2004 Election' than 'Star Wars'. It was distracting to watch Star Wars characters fire out quotes from Donald Rumself and John Ashcroft.

You could argue it also takes place in the present as well. With things like The Boys being extreme leftwing fantasies about contemporary society. Or pretty much every single show that takes place in current society being overloaded with race mixing, transgenders, sodomites, furries, and whatever fag or mongrel group is being hyper over-represented. You would think that 50% of romances are between furries and fags and miscegenators and so on based on the representation on modern television shows.

When you are writing a story and that story becomes secondary to inserting modern politics and social narratives....then you are really just writing social commentary and propaganda using some other setting. It gets more grotesque when the setting is something you are bastardizing. GRRM made his own shallow mediocre fantasy world of Westeros. So it is his world to write incest fantasies and fecal infatuations. It becomes pathetic when dead authors who cannot defend their own worlds like Tolkien or Herbert or even Shakespeare have their works used as vehicles to promote ideas that they themselves strongly were opposed to. These no talent losers in Hollywood that write nigger and fag stories, or race or gender swapping, in LOTR, Dune, Shakespeare, Lovecraft, and other worlds that they are basically stealing are beyond despicable.
And yet, here you are.
That's the thing. An ending as bad as Game of Thrones will never not be memorable. It will always be remembered. In sports we remember the big winners. The walkoff homeruns. The buzzer beaters. The huge knockouts. But we also remember the choke artists. The meltdowns. The guys who drop the ball or fumble the ball. The bad pass call instead of running it at the one-yard-line. The last lap crashes when you are in first place. People remember the extreme good and extreme bad in almost everything. You will remember an incredible meal for your 20th wedding anniversary but also the time you got three weeks of food poisoning and had to be hospitalized. How much do you remember in between?

Game of Thrones itself is culturally irrelevant. No one will watch the show again. No one cares about the books. No one cares about the prequels outside of diehard sycophant delusional losers. No one cares about GRRM's story. No one will pack in Game of Thrones references in their own stories like they still do for LOTR, Alien, Dune, Shakespeare, Lovecraft, and so on. No one cares despite the delusions of HBO executives bragging about how the show is still the most streamed show of all time and still popular.

But people care about GRRM's meltdown as an author as like a cautionary tale. They care about the horrendous writing and ending of Game of Thrones because they were so invested in the story as it happened live. And people are fascinated by a trainwreck. By the phenomenal collapse of such a cultural powerhouse and juggernaut was entertaining and exciting. Talking about the collapse of Game of Thrones will almost always be interesting if you were there. In another generation or two when no one has seen the show it will die out socially and vanish most likely. But right now the ending of the show, not the show itself, is its cultural relevance.

But the disastrous end of Game of Thrones and the impending demise of the novels will always be hilarious to some and horrific to others. I have seen the last season of Game of Thrones once. So seven hours of watching it total or whatever? Yet I have spent probably dozens of hours enjoying the disintegration and utter ruination of the series in the eyes of virtually everyone. It is like reliving a moment in sports where someone blows the game at the last second. I still laugh every time someone on a forum or media references Bran saying "why do you think I came all this way?".
 
C.S. Lewis referred to this outlook as "chronological snobbery".

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That's why I'm a fanboy of Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson. They're a breath of fresh air from all the retarded "MuH DeConstrukshun!" garbage.

I dislike this sort of revisionist interpretation of Feudal Europe where Everything Was Bad All the Time to with cartoonishly evil nobility who apparently do nothing but rape and murder commoners. Obviously chivalric romance is a little stale and cliché nowadays due to centuries of creation and circulation, but this postmodern style of turning the pre-modern world into pure hell feels very immature and fueled by fedora-tipping dreams of liberal enlightenment.

Something is fresh and new until it isn't, pendulum swings etc. People got used to romantic medieval fantasy, so gritty was more interesting., and it also aligned with popular perception of the middle ages.

Tolkien is burning in hell for turning kids on to roleplaying.
 
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