George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

[Kyria the Great]

Something I think begs to be ask is where are the major smallfolk characters that represent what's truly good and just in ASOIAF? For someone whose attempting to write a series of books that is a scathing critic of feudalism and monarchism, we really don't see too many commoner characters that are truly major characters that aren't equally bastardish like the rest in the land. Hell it seems people on Westeros don't value anything outside of themselves which is quite backwards given feudal society was community driven first and foremost.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

GRRM is the single worst thing that has ever happened to the medieval fantasy genre and I will die on that hill.

The pretentious fat fuck has singlehandedly launched an entire fleet of shit for brain hacks all convinced that just cram fucking a whole bunch of nihilistic naval-gazing dialogue and cynical deconstructionism into their work automatically makes it genius and every single fan of the genre is going to be feeling the effects of that for the next half a century.

Fuck you George. I hope you die of fat.

That's more or less how I feel about Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica.

 

[The Great Chandler]

I know it's a manga, but Berserk did a better job depicting grimdark than GoT. It has an immensely grim setting where it purposefully knows that it's using percieved medieval stereotypes for the sake of the narrative, fully utilizes the overwhelming dark moments to elevate the bright moments, and even as one of the first examples of dark fantasy in Japan, it's still more in tune with fantasy as a genre than GoT's excuse of an anti-fantasy. Ironically, Miura, an atheist, seems to have more in common with Tolkien in terms of themes of conquering adversity and anti-nihilism.

If GRRM wrote Berserk, he'd have Guts killed off pretty early and it's just going to be about Griffith being a villain-sue who doesn't ever seem to get his comeuppance. Do I seriously want to read that kind of story?

 

[Erika Furudo]

I know it's a manga, but Berserk did a better job depicting grimdark than GoT. It has an immensely grim setting where it purposefully knows that it's using percieved medieval stereotypes for the sake of the narrative, fully utilizes the overwhelming dark moments to elevate the bright moments, and even as one of the first examples of dark fantasy in Japan, it's still more in tune with fantasy as a genre than GoT's excuse of an anti-fantasy. Ironically, Miura, an atheist, seems to have more in common with Tolkien in terms of themes of conquering adversity and anti-nihilism.

If GRRM wrote Berserk, he'd have Guts killed off pretty early and it's just going to be about Griffith being a villain-sue who doesn't ever seem to get his comeuppance. Do I seriously want to read that kind of story?

Berserk needs to ease up on the rape scenes though. The only ones that added to the setting/story were Guts being raped, the eclipse and the "elves"* anything else was just excessive and detract from the story.

*Not story related but that scene was really well done given it implies how innocent they are and how fucked the world is as they just copy the adults without understanding what the fuck they were doing. It didn't linger on it and it didn't drag on.

 

[Laburnum]

I wonder how big or active the fanbase for his books is at the moment. Surely at this point it's a matter of it being a sunk cost and they've all invested too much time in waiting to turn back now.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Agree with everything else here, but not gonna lie, that Jew rant was kind of weird, but it could just be a shitpost thing. Wasn't Tolkien okay with Jews?

He was. From what I understand the Dwarves were basically Jews. They lost their home and are trying to get it back.

GRRM is the single worst thing that has ever happened to the medieval fantasy genre and I will die on that hill.

The pretentious fat fuck has singlehandedly launched an entire fleet of shit for brain hacks all convinced that just cram fucking a whole bunch of nihilistic naval-gazing dialogue and cynical deconstructionism into their work automatically makes it genius and every single fan of the genre is going to be feeling the effects of that for the next half a century.

Fuck you George. I hope you die of fat.

Every “historical” show is a rip off of GoT, but without dragons, magic, or the out that “it’s not supposed to be realistic, it’s fantasy!”

 

[Biggie Smalls' Taint]

His prose is always like this. Extreme depictions of urinating, defecating, sex, and other gratuitous and excruciating details of bodily functions that no authors save pornographers would dare deem to write. I think one of his choice phrases was something like "his cock became her cunt" during one of the many pointless sex scenes (this is in ADWD, an Asha chapter if I remember correctly). This lead to the HBO show also adopting his style of writing with now well quoted gutter level dialog such as "you want the bad pussy". He also vividly describes Tyrion's genitals in multiple book scenes in more detail than the anatomy of dragons are even explored.

Keep in mind that things like the origin of the Others. Doom of Valyria. Nature of Wargs. And other major details of the world of Westeros are completely ignored and abandoned. So that GRRM can flesh out the lore of brothels and bathroom habits. Devoted chapters and events surrounding the abundance of sex workers in is medieval fantasy world as if it is representative of medieval European history. There are more brothels in Westeros than any other building.

Imagine Frodo stopping in the woods and there being painstaking details of his defecating due to the constipation of elf bread. Or overly graphic and lucid descriptions of Sam banging Rose Cotton and ejaculating all over her and onto the floor. Or Aragorn and company stopping at brothels every other chapter and describing the length and girth of Aragorn's genitals. GRRM was always a smutty low level writer. His jewish background basically infects every aspect of his storytelling. His attacks on Tolkien come across as inauthentic and bitter because GRRM is being dishonest about why he hates Tolkien. He hates Tolkien because of the Christian and Catholic influence on LOTR. GRRM just hates Aryan culture and history. Because being a jew he is not part of it. So he bitterly writes fantasy stories, fake stories, in some revisionist medieval fantasy version of actual European history. Imagining Europe as some brothel overloaded cesspool of deranged monarchs endlessly raping and abusing the commoners.

I remember reading the first few ASOIAF novels and thinking that the author had to be a jew. There was just no way that he was being promoted this heavily without being a member of the tribe. And the two showrunners HBO chose to adapt his novels were also jews. But GRRM swore that he came from an Irish Catholic background. Years later GRRM would take a DNA test and reveal that he was indeed jewish and he was a result of an affair and that his background was different than what was previously reported. This is why there are so many lineage issues in his novels. He is just throwing his own deranged background into his world but then lying through his teeth about his own true background. Once he became ultra famous from the HBO show it became impossible to hide his jewish background so he went on some PBS show and acted shocked and aghast that he was part of the tribe. But he always knew and it shows in his work.

I read the books as part of a dare and what I remember most about them, other than the 4chan levels of vulgarity, were three phrases: Suckling pig, boiled leather and Spun gold.

In every one of Martin's food porn scenes there was a "suckling pig" involved.

Whenever he introduced a character, he went into a "My Immortal" style rant describing every minute detail of what a character is wearing. They would always have at least one item made of "boiled leather".

The spun gold thing probably happened around 3 times but it was enough for me, a casual reader, to notice.

A very Normie opinion, but the Sansa chapters really were as bad as everyone says.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

I wonder how big or active the fanbase for his books is at the moment. Surely at this point it's a matter of it being a sunk cost and they've all invested too much time in waiting to turn back now.

I can't speak for anyone else, but after the first season I bought the books one by one and read them all before the second season. They're all still on my bookshelf. If I'm able to add to them, nice. If I'm not, oh well. I think GRRM's a procrastinating old fart but I can't go as far as the popular Nerdrotic "Winds of Winter is dead to me!!!" reaction.

He was. From what I understand the Dwarves were basically Jews. They lost their home and are trying to get it back.

In 1938 german publishers were considering a german language version of The Hobbit but enquired about Tolkien's 'aryan' credentials. One of the responses he drafted included this:

Thank you for your letter ... I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people.

 

[RandallBoggs]

Maybe I'm just a weird antisocial fucker but I can't for the life of me understand this weird obsession modern writers have with sex, both in film/tv and books. It feels like every single story trying to be "gritty and adult" simultaneously portrays every male character as this ape-brained maniac who goes from genius mastermind to complete idiot in the span of seconds because BOOBA. Is it me or is it the writers all being gross coomers who think everyone else is as sexually deviant as them?
And weren't medieval royalty the most prude motherfuckers in history? Like yeah I'm sure someone with lots of power would absolutely hire prostitutes every night and get away with it, but GRRM seems to think every single noble was as degenerate as the next one

 

[nikma]

I wonder how big or active the fanbase for his books is at the moment. Surely at this point it's a matter of it being a sunk cost and they've all invested too much time in waiting to turn back now.

They convinced themselves last two books weren't garbage.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Something I think begs to be ask is where are the major smallfolk characters that represent what's truly good and just in ASOIAF? For someone whose attempting to write a series of books that is a scathing critic of feudalism and monarchism, we really don't see too many commoner characters that are truly major characters that aren't equally bastardish like the rest in the land. Hell it seems people on Westeros don't value anything outside of themselves which is quite backwards given feudal society was community driven first and foremost.

It doesn't help that GRRM probably has a thing against common folk. His peasants are either brain dead ignorant mongrels or naive innocents who can't fight back at all, at least from what it looks like. Probably either leftist bias or the cynical narrative that commoners are unable to advance the echelon or something.

Berserk needs to ease up on the rape scenes though. The only ones that added to the setting/story were Guts being raped, the eclipse and the "elves"* anything else was just excessive and detract from the story.

*Not story related but that scene was really well done given it implies how innocent they are and how fucked the world is as they just copy the adults without understanding what the fuck they were doing. It didn't linger on it and it didn't drag on.

I mean Miura kinda eased up from there sometime after the troll arc, but some argue that even those excessive moments seemed to have a purpose to the story (say what you will about the horse, but it was definitely a good trigger for Guts) if you want to go by the idea of how depraved Berserk's world is, but you're right that the 3 big examples did just enough. Still, even then, it's nowhere as excessive as GoT/ASOIAF were a lot of it is just unasked for than it is to serve a purpose.

 

[byuu]

GoT sort of kinda opened my eyes to the fact that I just want to go back to the sincere optimistic cheese of the 90's and early 2000's in terms of entertainment. We've grown far too cynical for our own good. I'd rather stomach a corn-fest with its heart on its sleeve than any "de-construction" a bunch of lazy hacks shit out.

The books are from the 90s.

 

[God of Nothing]

Something I think begs to be ask is where are the major smallfolk characters that represent what's truly good and just in ASOIAF? For someone whose attempting to write a series of books that is a scathing critic of feudalism and monarchism, we really don't see too many commoner characters that are truly major characters that aren't equally bastardish like the rest in the land. Hell it seems people on Westeros don't value anything outside of themselves which is quite backwards given feudal society was community driven first and foremost.

It's a terrible review of feudalism and monarchism because the society GRRM presents is neither feudalist, monarchist, nor realistic in its portrayal of either. Religion and morals were important and arguably the foundation of society and civilization. In grimderp world, religion is a joke and everyone is an immoral cunt. The real nobles ruled by the grace of gods. In grimderp world, muh ancesturs ruled for le thousands of years and somehow never fucking lost the throne.

Something a lot of people don't understand is that the concept of nationhood did not exist at all in anyone's mind in those olden days. It was who you were sworn to and what village you were from. Culture was an odd mishmash of things from one village to another. Of course, from an outsider's point of view, these would all be the same and grouped together. It's how the Germans were dozens of different tribes yet all put under the same name, just like the Gauls. In GRRM's derp world everyone's literally the exact fucking same but they pretend they're different while fucking up where it really counts at the macro level.

Maybe I'm just a weird antisocial fucker but I can't for the life of me understand this weird obsession modern writers have with sex, both in film/tv and books. It feels like every single story trying to be "gritty and adult" simultaneously portrays every male character as this ape-brained maniac who goes from genius mastermind to complete idiot in the span of seconds because BOOBA. Is it me or is it the writers all being gross coomers who think everyone else is as sexually deviant as them?
And weren't medieval royalty the most prude motherfuckers in history? Like yeah I'm sure someone with lots of power would absolutely hire prostitutes every night and get away with it, but GRRM seems to think every single noble was as degenerate as the next one

Inheritance was important. You could fuck every girl you wanted, but the end result is potentially a bunch of sons pissed at their father and each other with a fancy bastard claim on the throne. They had to be careful. Also, cheating on your wife was a good way of fucking up a political alliance and making your neighbors think twice about allying with you if you didn't honor your vows.

 

[verissimus]

Is it funny if no one can remember him and his work stays forgotten? People will be talking of Tolkien and Lovecract 100 years from now the same as they do Shakespere and the Greek Epics. People are already forgetting ASOIAF. That's the absolute worst thing to happen to an artist. To be dead and forgotten.

It's a fitting punishment for those that dabble in subversion/deconstruction.

 

[AnyballLecter]

It's a fitting punishment for those that dabble in subversion/deconstruction.

How is something that happens on Earth after you die a punishment?

 

[God of Nothing]

It's a fitting punishment for those that dabble in subversion/deconstruction.

It's not that subversion or deconstruction is inherently bad as a writing motif: it's just usually accompanied by bad writing as if the subversion or deconstruction itself is the content.

Weirdly enough, there is this one capeshit fanfic I read that tries to tackle the idea of the supervillain whose born into evil/crime. The point is less evil good but powers would separate you from normal people and those you love. And doing pointlessly evil shit for giggles leads to horrible consequences. The end result is someone who knows something is wrong with him but doesn't have the wisdom to see exactly what it is.

 

[Calzaghe]

If he sanctioned Littlefinger and Varys getting killed off like little fucking bitches than this fatfuck can die of diabetes

 

[Mega Black]

If GRRM wrote Berserk, he'd have Guts killed off pretty early and it's just going to be about Griffith being a villain-sue who doesn't ever seem to get his cocomeuppance.

No, Griffith would die when his grand plan started to get difficult to write on the fly. He'd be speared to death by Rickert while taking a shit or something in anticlimactic fashion to subvert your heccin expectations.

 

[Muttnik]

No, Griffith would die when his grand plan started to get difficult to write on the fly. He'd be speared to death by Rickert while taking a shit or something in anticlimactic fashion to subvert your heccin expectations.

Somehow, magically, fucking Puck ends up the ruler of Midland.

Because who among us has a better story than the great and mighty chestnut-head?

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

I remember that when people were being hyped for the finale I was working on a doc with mates of mine and they were super excited about that. I happened to be the only one that had read the books and although I was familiar with the show and even tried to see it, I was well aware of the shitshow that were the last 3 seasons. So what matters to this powerlevel is that we got to watch the finale in my house, cuddled in the couched in front of the laptop, and me being asked if it bothered me not to be "updated" on the lead-up to the episode. I didn't give a dwarf's cunt. As a result, I was the only one who didn't feel disappointed. I do remember that my grievances around how the plots didn't resonate with me fell on deaf ears and I just sent these mates to watch Alt Shift X because it isn't worth fighting with your mates over GOT.
Nowadays I see the same mates posting memes about how racist the LOTR fandom is and I think everyone just moved on to watch Dune. I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube-level theories are better than whatever Martin has as "his planned" ending.