🐱 Tim Burton’s Racist Comments Loom Over Otherwise Great Casting for Netflix’s ‘Wednesday’

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From insisting he was never influenced (even indirectly) by major art movements to downplaying the Jewish cultural elements of his works, director Tim Burton has done and said a number of questionable things in his long film career. However, his comments about Black and brown people not fitting his aesthetic was the bluntest and most recent of these … choices. In a 2016 interview with Bustle, he pretended like calls for diversity ware new and tried to use the ’70s genre of blaxploitation (a genre created in spite of people like Burton) as a shield for his own mono-racial casting.


Something that hurts more than this comment is that many people of color who’ve dipped their toes in the alt aesthetic (maybe under another name like “emo” or “goth”) in their youth have heard versions of this justification among friends and peers who definitely made a Tim Burton movie their entire aesthetic. (My money’s on The Nightmare Before Christmas.) On the other end of the spectrum, there’s family and intra-community pushback that Tim Burton’s work is something along the lines of “white people shit.” Burton’s comments echoed all of that.

“What about [this token character of color]?”​

Some defended his comics with a flurry of equally (if not worse) racist statements and sentiments, but others took this as a moment to defend his employment of key Black roles. Let’s look at this and widen it to visible people of color. The supporting characters that come to mind are Billy Dee Williams in Batman (1989), Deep Roy in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory(2005), and Nico Parker in Dumbo (2019). Roy plays an army of happy brown servants, and Parker would not have been cast if she were darker-skinned or had non-famous parents (that is, Ol Parker and Thandiwe Newton). Instead of just wanting to be more inclusive in Batman, Burton intended to use Williams’ race to dramatize the two sides of Harvey Dent, and considering how crassly Burton talks about race, I’m glad that was scrapped for the following movie.

The only leading roles are of two Black men as villains: Samuel L. Jackson in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Childern (2016) and Ken Page’s voice in A Nightmare Before Christmas (1993). Page played a character (Oogie Boogey) named after a Black slur, inspired by the first music frontman Cab Calloway, and with personality traits of loving gumbo made of bugs, gambling, and jazz. Oogie Boogey is one of the first of many instances of Burton’s relationship with fatphobic characters being portrayed as greedy and not to be trusted.

Screenwriter Caroline Thomspon told Insider in 2020 that she recognized the issues with Page’s character at the time, but Burton dismissed her as being “oversensitive.” (Something he echoed in that interview over 20 years later when he said “politically correct.”)

In over 26 features films of which he was the director, producer, and writer (almost always both of the first two) that’s it for the main and supporting characters of color. People making jokes that he “just casts the same few people” ignore how those same people only amount to like four people, and four people don’t make a movie.

Now, a few years later (and after several critical failures, I might add), Burton is back and making his TV directorial debut with Netflix’s take on Wednesday Addams, which stars several Latinx leads. Burton aside, this is a reaffirmation of a Latinx presence on her father’s (Gomez) side. The original cartoon was a Spanish caricature, but the major big screen adaptations have featured Puerto Rican (Raul Julia in The Addams Family movies) and Guatemalan/Cuban (Oscar Issac in animated The Addams Family) actors. Now, Jenny Ortega will take on the role of Wednesday with her father, played by the iconic Luis Guzmán.

Because Burton’s made it clear where he stands, it’s hard not to see this casting as a shield—possibly a shield for Netflix, too, since they continue to cancel Latinx shows. Also, in the teaser trailer, we already see Ortega with seemingly lightened skin (probably through makeup and post). It’s hard to say for sure what was done, but I’m just going to side-eye it because Burton’s already made his thoughts on non-white people and “ethnic origins” in his projects pretty clear:



Despite Wednesday coming from a multi-ethnic family (which is a running homage to the original intention of how the family was designed), like much of his other works, Burton will probably (in his eyes) “make up for” this by making sure to have them written and staged as Eurocentric as possible, as he’s done for many other stories in the past.

People can grow, but doubling your cast of people of color on one project with nothing else to show you’ve made progress as a person makes me think you will continue to tokenize your actors instead of seeing them as your creative peers. For a streaming service that’s very buddy-buddy with the concept of a paper bag test (among many other issues), this shouldn’t be surprising but nonetheless disappointing. As a fan of Ortega, Ricci, and the character as a whole, I want this to be good, and I want Burton to progress past thinking tales about underdogs and weirdos are stories for and about white people. Even if he shed his racism, xenophobia, and fatphobia, Burton would not have the range to do anything other than making something visually look like he had a hand in it, let alone tell a story with a diverse cast.
 
Almost the entire world forgot about these quotes. No one but the author had them in mind when thinking about his Wednesday show, which has Luis Guzman playing Gomez.
 
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Burton is based? Happy to hear it and not too surprised.

Filmmakers should be free to cast whoever they want in their movies, diversity shouldn't be obligatory, it's a free fucking country, show me the law where it's illegal to not cast a "perosn of color" in something.

If "too many white people" sounds like a reasonable complaint then you are a fuckstick.


to be fair Burton's career isn't much better. He went from making the 2nd highest grossing movie of the year in 2010 to flopping hard with Dark Shadows and then just making bland films that end up breaking even if that.
Alice is the movie that ruined him because while it may have made bank, it wasn't actually a very good movie and yeah, he's been pretty mediocre since.

Burton's style was cool when he was forced to us real soundstage sets, stop motion animation etc, when he became over reliant on CGI as he did with Alice all of the charm of his style was gone.

And the decision to make Dark Shadows a goofy comedy was dumb as the original show was serious.
 
Alice is the movie that ruined him because while it may have made bank, it wasn't actually a very good movie and yeah, he's been pretty mediocre since.

Burton's style was cool when he was forced to us real soundstage sets, stop motion animation etc, when he became over reliant on CGI as he did with Alice all of the charm of his style was gone.

And the decision to make Dark Shadows a goofy comedy was dumb as the original show was serious.
I've known a lot of people that liked Miss Peregrine's and Big Eyes was a pretty nice movie. So I don't think he lost his style so much as it getting overshadowed in the Disney movies due to the CGI and Disney being involved.
 
WHY ARE THERE NO JEWS IN "THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS"?

Because in this universe, Christmas is real. If Christmas is real, Christ being the son of God is real. If Christ being the son of God is real, Judaism would be pointless. If Judaism is pointless, there would be no Jews.

Any other questions?

WHY ARE THERE NO BLACK SKELETONS?

For fucks sake, lady.
 
He's cast Depp in Beetlejuice apparently. They'll be gunning for him.
So Johnny Depp is playing the title character and not Michael Keaton?

I'm surprised the Planet of the Apes wasn't included since Michael Clarke Duncan had a major role as the gorilla second-in-command. And you just know the author would have made a big deal over a black actor playing an ape.
 
Gomez isn't Latino, it's Hispanic. Someone can have their origins be Spanird and have little if any Latino Blood. Hell, I know Hispanics that have been in California since before it became a state that take advantage of Mexicans being PoCs while ensuring their blood stays as pure as possible. And even in Latino families it's possible for the kids to be of different shades from white skin to light brown since Latinos have a diverse ethnic ancestry in most situations
This is also a thing for Spaniards. I have a friend who's very typical white Spanish and his brother looks exactly like him but darker. It's very common for something like this to happen in many families.

Alas, Gomez Addams here is gonna be Luis Guzmán. If you knew nothing of the guy, he could pass as a dark med. We need to end this obsession and misunderstandings of race. There isn't just some one "white" type of people, white people can be a bit tanned than other whites and still be white.
 
Burton is based? Happy to hear it and not too surprised.

Filmmakers should be free to cast whoever they want in their movies, diversity shouldn't be obligatory, it's a free fucking country, show me the law where it's illegal to not cast a "perosn of color" in something.

If "too many white people" sounds like a reasonable complaint then you are a fuckstick.



Alice is the movie that ruined him because while it may have made bank, it wasn't actually a very good movie and yeah, he's been pretty mediocre since.

Burton's style was cool when he was forced to us real soundstage sets, stop motion animation etc, when he became over reliant on CGI as he did with Alice all of the charm of his style was gone.

And the decision to make Dark Shadows a goofy comedy was dumb as the original show was serious.
Burton's been kinda lame since his movies became "safe" and mostly by the numbers remakes with gothic swirls and Johnny Depp crammed in. But up to about Sleepy Hollow, he had a pretty good batting average.
 
I've known a lot of people that liked Miss Peregrine's and Big Eyes was a pretty nice movie. So I don't think he lost his style so much as it getting overshadowed in the Disney movies due to the CGI and Disney being involved.
Miss Peregrine's and Big Eyes are probably the best he's made since Alice, though I haven't seen either, but do want to check out Miss Peregrine's (not sure if I care about Big Eyes)

Burton's been kinda lame since his movies became "safe" and mostly by the numbers remakes with gothic swirls and Johnny Depp crammed in. But up to about Sleepy Hollow, he had a pretty good batting average.
Personally I think he became "safe" after the failure of Mars Attacks, which was the last one I've seen that I would consider among my favorites of his (despite the flaws it does have)

Sleepy Hollow I only thought was ok (but it's been a long time since I've seen it), his Planet of The Apes remake was flat out bad, but Big Fish was good, for the longest time it seemed like he was a dude primed to make a comeback and come out with something really great again, but Alice seemed to solidify his lameness.

His style only really works when it's 1. not a remake and 2. focused on practical effects and physical sets/models, it just becomes really boring when translated to CGI, for whatever reason it needs that "you could touch this" factor to be interesting, with the only exception being the Martians in Mars attacks, but those were made to have a stop motion kind of feel and all the sets were not greenscreen soundstages.

Speaking of Mars Attacks and black characters in Tim Burton movies, why are we forgetting how awesome Jim Brown was in that movie? Him boxing a Martian was hilarious.
 
Miss Peregrine's and Big Eyes are probably the best he's made since Alice, though I haven't seen either, but do want to check out Miss Peregrine's (not sure if I care about Big Eyes)
Big Eyes is pretty great. You can tell there's that Tim Burton touch, but it doesn't do a ton of special effects or whatever and instead sticks to the true story about the woman.

It's also just a weird look at a moment in history when people were hanging up art like this in their homes.

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downplaying the Jewish cultural elements of his works
What Jewish elements other than the Corpse Bride? I guess it was Christianized by having the marriage be in a church? Maybe he thought people would be more familiar with the aesthetic of Victorian England than Victorian-era Jews in Russia?
I wouldn't have been against them happening to be Jewish but religion really isn't a big part of the movie, despite it being about the afterlife. Plus, don't Jews lack belief in an afterlife? Which goes against most of the plot of the movie if there is no afterlife?
Roy plays an army of happy brown servants, and Parker would not have been cast if she were darker-skinned or had non-famous parents (that is, Ol Parker and Thandiwe Newton).
Okay? That is true for most actors in Hollywood films.
And diversity is now so cliche. Funny we don't see lots of hispanic actors/actress.
She does actually discuss "Latinx" a bit bc of the Addams Family remakes he's apparently working on and claims the dad was meant to be a caricature of Hispanic people. I think the Addam's Family is based on a newspaper comic that started in the late 30s so that might be true, idk a ton about the history of the series. Quotes for you:
Now, a few years later (and after several critical failures, I might add), Burton is back and making his TV directorial debut with Netflix’s take on Wednesday Addams, which stars several Latinx leads. Burton aside, this is a reaffirmation of a Latinx presence on her father’s (Gomez) side. The original cartoon was a Spanish caricature, but the major big screen adaptations have featured Puerto Rican (Raul Julia in The Addams Family movies) and Guatemalan/Cuban (Oscar Issac in animated The Addams Family) actors. Now, Jenny Ortega will take on the role of Wednesday with her father, played by the iconic Luis Guzmán.

Because Burton’s made it clear where he stands, it’s hard not to see this casting as a shield—possibly a shield for Netflix, too, since they continue to cancel Latinx shows. Also, in the teaser trailer, we already see Ortega with seemingly lightened skin (probably through makeup and post). It’s hard to say for sure what was done, but I’m just going to side-eye it because Burton’s already made his thoughts on non-white people and “ethnic origins” in his projects pretty clear:

Despite Wednesday coming from a multi-ethnic family (which is a running homage to the original intention of how the family was designed), like much of his other works, Burton will probably (in his eyes) “make up for” this by making sure to have them written and staged as Eurocentric as possible, as he’s done for many other stories in the past.

The only leading roles are of two Black men as villains: Samuel L. Jackson in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Childern (2016) and Ken Page’s voice in A Nightmare Before Christmas (1993). Page played a character (Oogie Boogey) named after a Black slur, inspired by the first music frontman Cab Calloway, and with personality traits of loving gumbo made of bugs, gambling, and jazz. Oogie Boogey is one of the first of many instances of Burton’s relationship with fatphobic characters being portrayed as greedy and not to be trusted.

Screenwriter Caroline Thomspon told Insider in 2020 that she recognized the issues with Page’s character at the time, but Burton dismissed her as being “oversensitive.” (Something he echoed in that interview over 20 years later when he said “politically correct.”)
Lol I'm pretty sure gumbo and jazz are stereotypes of some areas of the South and time periods, not some extremely racialized thing. And literally no one is thinking black people eat bug gumbo bc of A Nightmare Before Christmas.
Also, in the teaser trailer, we already see Ortega with seemingly lightened skin (probably through makeup and post).
That's just for the gothic look, it's meant to be pale like a corpse. Not a statement on race relations.
She's a lot more reasonable than she looks to be fair, but it legit ended up devolving into "why don't you talk more about the Nazis, Tim??"
Which is funny bc the Corpse Bride is a Jewish folktale from the 19th century, before the Nazis even existed.
Miss Peregrine's and Big Eyes are probably the best he's made since Alice
I thought Paranorman was pretty good.
 
But ... they are European. They're American Old Money with ancestral homes somewhere in Europe. There wasn't a lot of "original intent" in the design of the family, Charles Addams just drew some funny looking people and called them a family. He sometimes gave Gomez and Grandma a darker skin tone, but by the time the TV series came around they decided he was Castilian. I think later adaptations put Morticia's family in Central or Eastern Europe.
I was going to make a cheap joke about looking for Jews in ashtrays but decided that you really needed to see this painting instead. Namaste.

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